RE: Re: Support your local Farmer and THANK YOU

[Guest guest]

I hope you didn't think I meant that one must go to "The Millking Farmers College" or anything to do this. ;o) I never said one needed formal training. I am a 34 year old woman who grew up on the beaches of California. And since the age of 19, I have had zero formal training in anything I do. Which includes auto repair, brake work that I perform, drywall, tiling, make furniture, plumbing, computer repair, woodworking/building, haircutting, electronic repair, gardening (still do not have the green thumb yet), cooking, ect. I basically just do it, but when I do could adversely affect someone else, I just make sure I go that extra mile in my research...that's all. There are those that do not, and they would not be the people I would buy my raw milk from. Just a matter of person choice.

a

Re:Support your local Farmer> > Wow. Im getting prickly now too. I like to tell people> who complain about the price. Oh, no problem Ill have> plenty of extra kids in the spring, and I love to help> people start up their own small dairy. Please give me> a call and I'll freely consult your project. Thats> wonderfull. Im so glad to support small farmers.> UUURRRRGGGG!!!!!! Please!!!! I need not say> more!!Peace. Jen> > __________________________________________________________> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs>

[Guest guest]

I hope you didn't think I meant that one must go to "The Millking Farmers College" or anything to do this. ;o) I never said one needed formal training. I am a 34 year old woman who grew up on the beaches of California. And since the age of 19, I have had zero formal training in anything I do. Which includes auto repair, brake work that I perform, drywall, tiling, make furniture, plumbing, computer repair, woodworking/building, haircutting, electronic repair, gardening (still do not have the green thumb yet), cooking, ect. I basically just do it, but when I do could adversely affect someone else, I just make sure I go that extra mile in my research...that's all. There are those that do not, and they would not be the people I would buy my raw milk from. Just a matter of person choice.

a

Re:Support your local Farmer> > Wow. Im getting prickly now too. I like to tell people> who complain about the price. Oh, no problem Ill have> plenty of extra kids in the spring, and I love to help> people start up their own small dairy. Please give me> a call and I'll freely consult your project. Thats> wonderfull. Im so glad to support small farmers.> UUURRRRGGGG!!!!!! Please!!!! I need not say> more!!Peace. Jen> > __________________________________________________________> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs>

[Guest guest]

I hope you didn't think I meant that one must go to "The Millking Farmers College" or anything to do this. ;o) I never said one needed formal training. I am a 34 year old woman who grew up on the beaches of California. And since the age of 19, I have had zero formal training in anything I do. Which includes auto repair, brake work that I perform, drywall, tiling, make furniture, plumbing, computer repair, woodworking/building, haircutting, electronic repair, gardening (still do not have the green thumb yet), cooking, ect. I basically just do it, but when I do could adversely affect someone else, I just make sure I go that extra mile in my research...that's all. There are those that do not, and they would not be the people I would buy my raw milk from. Just a matter of person choice.

a

Re:Support your local Farmer> > Wow. Im getting prickly now too. I like to tell people> who complain about the price. Oh, no problem Ill have> plenty of extra kids in the spring, and I love to help> people start up their own small dairy. Please give me> a call and I'll freely consult your project. Thats> wonderfull. Im so glad to support small farmers.> UUURRRRGGGG!!!!!! Please!!!! I need not say> more!!Peace. Jen> > __________________________________________________________> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs>

[Guest guest]

Amen, Belinda!

Where does one draw

the line? Should you not make your own meatloaf? Is home canning and drying

dangerous? Or should we be more faithful in our accepting that traditional

foods are our best medicine?

Having grown up on

Foxfire books, the original mother earth news, and grandparents that grew and

canned and raised livestock, I don’t think things are intrinsically better

now for all our sanitization and professionalization efforts.

www.Majesty Farm.com

" Never doubt that a small group of

thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the

only thing that ever has. "

-Margaret Mead

From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of labelleacres

Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008

2:36 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: Support

your local Farmer and THANK YOU

I've got to put in my 2 cents here. Twelve years ago the only goats

I'd ever seen were in petting zoos.

Got a job working with a woman with goats. Learned to milk and now

have my own little herd of dairy and meat goats. Nobody got sick along

the way. Nobody gave me any " lessons " . I didn't do any great amount

of

research. I just bought some goats from a fella who seemed awful nice

who milked his goats and the goats seemed healthy and away we went.

The idea that a body has to have experience doing something before

they can do it is insane. My first loaf of bread was made with a

cookbook and a good deal of cussing and laughing. There wasn't a

teacher around....

I firmly believe that a backyard cow, loved and cared for by a family

who drinks the milk, is going to produce better milk than any large dairy.

Belinda

>

> I agree, they need the education just like you said. Training,

research, learning, ect, but to just pop off and start up a dairy with

no experience? That is going to cause the experienced farmer to catch

heat when some backyard neighbor mishandled something and made people

sick. The fact that it is raw, makes it more difficult, it must be

clean. We can't just kill everything through pasteurization after the

fact like the big folks do. Again, just my own personal opinion and

is not directed at any one.

>

> a

>

>

> Re:Support your local Farmer

>

> Wow. Im getting prickly now too. I like to tell people

> who complain about the price. Oh, no problem Ill have

> plenty of extra kids in the spring, and I love to help

> people start up their own small dairy. Please give me

> a call and I'll freely consult your project. Thats

> wonderfull. Im so glad to support small farmers.

> UUURRRRGGGG!!!!!! Please!!!! I need not say

> more!!Peace. Jen

>

> __________________________________________________________

> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.

> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Belinda. I believe their are two types of people out there.

There are people that go into the milking life with a basic inner knowledge

about it. Never been taught but somehow just know kinda what to do. They

get some healthy stock and do the research to learn as they go and keep the

animals and themselves healthy. They have common sense and are responsible

people. Then there are those that don't have an ounce of common sense in

their entire beings and do the most stupid things. These are the ones that

I think people worry about. I don't. See I figure that they will either

not have what it takes to care for the animal or the milk for any length of

time anyways so they will never get anyone or themselves sick. In my

experience those are the ones that buy some animal from whereever, never do

research. Those are the ones that call to buy a milk goat from me and ask

me if they really have to milk everyday or can they just let the kids suck

and take milk when the jar is empty in the fridge. These ones I won't sell

animals to at all because within six months the goat is either sick, dead or

taken to the auction mart because they just cannot be bothered and they are

back to drinking store milk.

Debbie Chikousky

Manitoba, Canada

gdchik@...

" The person who wants something will find a way.

The person who doesn't will find an excuse. "

Re: Support your local Farmer and THANK YOU

> I've got to put in my 2 cents here. Twelve years ago the only goats

> I'd ever seen were in petting zoos.

>

> Got a job working with a woman with goats. Learned to milk and now

> have my own little herd of dairy and meat goats. Nobody got sick along

> the way. Nobody gave me any " lessons " . I didn't do any great amount of

> research. I just bought some goats from a fella who seemed awful nice

> who milked his goats and the goats seemed healthy and away we went.

>

> The idea that a body has to have experience doing something before

> they can do it is insane. My first loaf of bread was made with a

> cookbook and a good deal of cussing and laughing. There wasn't a

> teacher around....

>

> I firmly believe that a backyard cow, loved and cared for by a family

> who drinks the milk, is going to produce better milk than any large dairy.

>

> Belinda

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Belinda. I believe their are two types of people out there.

There are people that go into the milking life with a basic inner knowledge

about it. Never been taught but somehow just know kinda what to do. They

get some healthy stock and do the research to learn as they go and keep the

animals and themselves healthy. They have common sense and are responsible

people. Then there are those that don't have an ounce of common sense in

their entire beings and do the most stupid things. These are the ones that

I think people worry about. I don't. See I figure that they will either

not have what it takes to care for the animal or the milk for any length of

time anyways so they will never get anyone or themselves sick. In my

experience those are the ones that buy some animal from whereever, never do

research. Those are the ones that call to buy a milk goat from me and ask

me if they really have to milk everyday or can they just let the kids suck

and take milk when the jar is empty in the fridge. These ones I won't sell

animals to at all because within six months the goat is either sick, dead or

taken to the auction mart because they just cannot be bothered and they are

back to drinking store milk.

Debbie Chikousky

Manitoba, Canada

gdchik@...

" The person who wants something will find a way.

The person who doesn't will find an excuse. "

Re: Support your local Farmer and THANK YOU

> I've got to put in my 2 cents here. Twelve years ago the only goats

> I'd ever seen were in petting zoos.

>

> Got a job working with a woman with goats. Learned to milk and now

> have my own little herd of dairy and meat goats. Nobody got sick along

> the way. Nobody gave me any " lessons " . I didn't do any great amount of

> research. I just bought some goats from a fella who seemed awful nice

> who milked his goats and the goats seemed healthy and away we went.

>

> The idea that a body has to have experience doing something before

> they can do it is insane. My first loaf of bread was made with a

> cookbook and a good deal of cussing and laughing. There wasn't a

> teacher around....

>

> I firmly believe that a backyard cow, loved and cared for by a family

> who drinks the milk, is going to produce better milk than any large dairy.

>

> Belinda

[Guest guest]

The evidence of

incompetence can be provided with any profession or vocation. Someone graduated

at the bottom of the medical class at the poorest school. The ability to do and

the motivation to do well is 2 different issues. The fact is that each and every

production position will have a variety of competencies exhibited whether or

not there is “adequate” training. That is as much the reflection of

motivation to do well as anything else. The fact that producing milk on a

daily basis is a very heavy commitment is going to automatically cull a the

majority of poorly motivated and “uncalled” people. I agree with

you that raising livestock, as with teaching children, nursing,

doctoring, midwifing, gardening, and many other areas are done best by those

with a God Given talent and instinct and deeply felt. But who are we

to make that decision? I have a friend whose Down’s syndrome

son runs her dairy herd, and is exceptional. And I know people who are

brilliant with no clue.

They could, if

motivated, with support and

education, learn to handle and produce raw milk. They never would

because they don’t have the calling or fortitude. That holds true in many

walks of life, and placing arbitrary markers on deciding “who” is

exactly that—arbitrary and unmeaningful.

What we, as consumers, decide each time we purchase outside our own

production, is whether we will choose the path. Make decisions with your

dollar, and let others alone.

www.Majesty Farm.com

" Never doubt that a small group of

thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the

only thing that ever has. "

-Margaret Mead

From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of Donna R. Myers-Raybon

Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008

9:03 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: Support

your local Farmer and THANK YOU

>

> I absolutely disagree with you there. ANYONE is capable, with

support and

> education, of learning to handle and produce raw milk.

>

>

I do NOT aggree!!!!! Yes, maybe, a majority of folks (ie 51% or more

of the population) can learn how to handle raw milk safely. After

almost a year of reading what people subject raw milk to on this list,

I question even that!

But, to 'produce?' As in having the responsibility for welfare of a

living creature? Absolutely, totally NOT everybody!!! Give me

nightmares even to consider!!

The inborn gift of successfully dealing with livestock is exactly that-

A GIFT!!! Not everybody has it and it cannot be learned.

I mean, get a clue, look at all the child abuse, spouse abuse, and

animal abuse that goes on in the world!!!

Donna

Safehaven Nubians

Dandridge, TN

>

> __________________________________________________________

> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.

> http://www.yahoo. <http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs> com/r/hs

>

[Guest guest]

The evidence of

incompetence can be provided with any profession or vocation. Someone graduated

at the bottom of the medical class at the poorest school. The ability to do and

the motivation to do well is 2 different issues. The fact is that each and every

production position will have a variety of competencies exhibited whether or

not there is “adequate” training. That is as much the reflection of

motivation to do well as anything else. The fact that producing milk on a

daily basis is a very heavy commitment is going to automatically cull a the

majority of poorly motivated and “uncalled” people. I agree with

you that raising livestock, as with teaching children, nursing,

doctoring, midwifing, gardening, and many other areas are done best by those

with a God Given talent and instinct and deeply felt. But who are we

to make that decision? I have a friend whose Down’s syndrome

son runs her dairy herd, and is exceptional. And I know people who are

brilliant with no clue.

They could, if

motivated, with support and

education, learn to handle and produce raw milk. They never would

because they don’t have the calling or fortitude. That holds true in many

walks of life, and placing arbitrary markers on deciding “who” is

exactly that—arbitrary and unmeaningful.

What we, as consumers, decide each time we purchase outside our own

production, is whether we will choose the path. Make decisions with your

dollar, and let others alone.

www.Majesty Farm.com

" Never doubt that a small group of

thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the

only thing that ever has. "

-Margaret Mead

From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of Donna R. Myers-Raybon

Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008

9:03 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: Support

your local Farmer and THANK YOU

>

> I absolutely disagree with you there. ANYONE is capable, with

support and

> education, of learning to handle and produce raw milk.

>

>

I do NOT aggree!!!!! Yes, maybe, a majority of folks (ie 51% or more

of the population) can learn how to handle raw milk safely. After

almost a year of reading what people subject raw milk to on this list,

I question even that!

But, to 'produce?' As in having the responsibility for welfare of a

living creature? Absolutely, totally NOT everybody!!! Give me

nightmares even to consider!!

The inborn gift of successfully dealing with livestock is exactly that-

A GIFT!!! Not everybody has it and it cannot be learned.

I mean, get a clue, look at all the child abuse, spouse abuse, and

animal abuse that goes on in the world!!!

Donna

Safehaven Nubians

Dandridge, TN

>

> __________________________________________________________

> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.

> http://www.yahoo. <http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs> com/r/hs

>