Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 What you are talking about is called Stray Voltage and yes it does effect cows and other livestock. What you need to do is add grounding rods deep into the soil and ground any metal objects that come in contact to the cows, like the milking stalls, pipe line reciver group. Any metal object that has an electric motor, pannel that is tied to where you milk and contacts the cows needs to be grounded. Large copper rods driven in the ground about 6 feet work well. Stray voltage is a big problem in dairy's where you have lots of pumps, panels and stainless steel. --- freeantioxidants wrote: > Does anyone have a problem with electric in the > ground > affecting animals? From what I understand the > electric > goes back to the electric company and the electric > company > does not insulate the line that well so we have junk > electric > affecting us and our animals. > > Thanks, > > Alice > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 What you are talking about is called Stray Voltage and yes it does effect cows and other livestock. What you need to do is add grounding rods deep into the soil and ground any metal objects that come in contact to the cows, like the milking stalls, pipe line reciver group. Any metal object that has an electric motor, pannel that is tied to where you milk and contacts the cows needs to be grounded. Large copper rods driven in the ground about 6 feet work well. Stray voltage is a big problem in dairy's where you have lots of pumps, panels and stainless steel. --- freeantioxidants wrote: > Does anyone have a problem with electric in the > ground > affecting animals? From what I understand the > electric > goes back to the electric company and the electric > company > does not insulate the line that well so we have junk > electric > affecting us and our animals. > > Thanks, > > Alice > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 What you are talking about is called Stray Voltage and yes it does effect cows and other livestock. What you need to do is add grounding rods deep into the soil and ground any metal objects that come in contact to the cows, like the milking stalls, pipe line reciver group. Any metal object that has an electric motor, pannel that is tied to where you milk and contacts the cows needs to be grounded. Large copper rods driven in the ground about 6 feet work well. Stray voltage is a big problem in dairy's where you have lots of pumps, panels and stainless steel. --- freeantioxidants wrote: > Does anyone have a problem with electric in the > ground > affecting animals? From what I understand the > electric > goes back to the electric company and the electric > company > does not insulate the line that well so we have junk > electric > affecting us and our animals. > > Thanks, > > Alice > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 If you will google 'stray voltage' you should find lots of stuff about it and the problems in commercial dairy. Many of the state extension services have lots of research on this problem in commercial dairy. It's more of a problem when you have lots of concrete, lots of electric machinary, and metal pipes, etc.... It's highly unlikely that it's going to be a problem in your average 'home' dairy where things are mostly wooden and you milk by hand. Hoards has published a lot of info about it over the past many years, too. Contacting your electric service provider and asking them to come out and ensure that your grounds are all done properly and that your transformer is working properly. For example, a few years back I had a friend who had problems with her clothes dryer- it would pretty regularly burn every few months. And, they kept going through light bulbs pretty regular, too. Finally got the electric service to come out and check and sure enough, the transformer was bad. Not totally scewed up enough to not work, but just enough to not work quite 100%. Lightening had run in on the lines several times in the previous months during spring thunderstorms and had caused the problems. Donna Safehaven Nubians Dandridge, TN > > Does anyone have a problem with electric in the ground > affecting animals? From what I understand the electric > goes back to the electric company and the electric company > does not insulate the line that well so we have junk electric > affecting us and our animals. > > Thanks, > > Alice > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 There are two different components to the problem. One is stray voltage. It can come from the farm but usually comes from the utility because they don't separate the ground and neutral. The voltage feeds in on the neutral through all the neutral wires on the farm and to everything like cement, stalls, water lines, drinking cups,, etc. It is also in our homes. This is a huge issue as it affects millions of people. The biggest issue may be electric fields in our homes. http://www.createhealthyhomes.com/about.php has a lot of info on electric fields. The ground should only be for safety. It should NEVER have current on it unless there is a fault. The neutral line should be separate from the ground and go back to the substation. This also leads to the second problem which is ground currents. The electricity goes back to where it came from and because they dump the return current into the ground via ground rods it returns through the earth. If you find the substations around you, put them on a map, and draw lines between them you can find out where the biggest problems are. There are also current lines between radio towers (they are built on lines also) and substations. There are dowsers that can find the lines. You may want to look up ley lines, geopathic stress, curry and Hartmann lines to learn more about this subject. I have much first hand experience with both. We had neutral current feeding into our farm back in the '90's and it all came from the utility. They weren't too keen on me pointing it out either. I have never had such a vile response from someone as I received from the utility guy when I showed him it was their problem. He wanted me to believe it was really hard to figure out where it was coming from so I pulled the main disconnect on my farm and the current levels didn't change. It ruined a whole herd of cows on our farm. It is also most likely why the guy before me went broke on this farm. You wont find many farms left where these " lines " run. Thank God we grazed and kept our cows out of the barn most of the time. You can have the utility come out to check, but remember it is like having the fox guard the hen house. They usually lie through their teeth as they don't ever want to admit fault and they will never admit to the ground current aspect. In WI it has been a battle for 30 years and the university has been instrumental in fighting farmers and keeping the status quo. There is a whore at UW Madison that sold his soul with some fake " research " that stray voltage doesn't affect cows. He was paid big bucks to testify against farmers in court trials. We also have ground currents running past our farm. The sub stations all line up for miles and miles. There will usually be no wires between the substations where the ground currents run. In my area the lines run SE to NW and are about 7 miles apart on the map. The actual power lines bringing in power come from all directions. Cheyenne > > Does anyone have a problem with electric in the ground > affecting animals? From what I understand the electric > goes back to the electric company and the electric company > does not insulate the line that well so we have junk electric > affecting us and our animals. > > Thanks, > > Alice > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Hi, Are you saying the junk electrick follows the Hartman lines? If so, a friend gave me some info on how to use rods to get rid of the Hartman problem. Thanks, Alice Re: Junk electric There are two different components to the problem. One is strayvoltage. It can come from the farm but usually comes from the utilitybecause they don't separate the ground and neutral. The voltage feedsin on the neutral through all the neutral wires on the farm and toeverything like cement, stalls, water lines, drinking cups,, etc. Itis also in our homes. This is a huge issue as it affects millions ofpeople. The biggest issue may be electric fields in our homes.http://www.createhe althyhomes. com/about. php has a lot of info onelectric fields.The ground should only be for safety. It should NEVER have currenton it unless there is a fault. The neutral line should be separatefrom the ground and go back to the substation.This also leads to the second problem which is ground currents. Theelectricity goes back to where it came from and because they dump thereturn current into the ground via ground rods it returns through theearth. If you find the substations around you, put them on a map, anddraw lines between them you can find out where the biggest problemsare. There are also current lines between radio towers (they are builton lines also) and substations. There are dowsers that can find thelines. You may want to look up ley lines, geopathic stress, curry andHartmann lines to learn more about this subject.I have much first hand experience with both. We had neutral currentfeeding into our farm back in the '90's and it all came from theutility. They weren't too keen on me pointing it out either. I havenever had such a vile response from someone as I received from theutility guy when I showed him it was their problem. He wanted me tobelieve it was really hard to figure out where it was coming from so Ipulled the main disconnect on my farm and the current levels didn'tchange. It ruined a whole herd of cows on our farm. It is also mostlikely why the guy before me went broke on this farm. You wont findmany farms left where these "lines" run. Thank God we grazed and keptour cows out of the barn most of the time. You can have the utility come out to check, but remember it is likehaving the fox guard the hen house. They usually lie through theirteeth as they don't ever want to admit fault and they will never admitto the ground current aspect. In WI it has been a battle for 30 yearsand the university has been instrumental in fighting farmers andkeeping the status quo. There is a whore at UW Madison that sold hissoul with some fake "research" that stray voltage doesn't affect cows.He was paid big bucks to testify against farmers in court trials. We also have ground currents running past our farm. The substations all line up for miles and miles. There will usually be nowires between the substations where the ground currents run. In myarea the lines run SE to NW and are about 7 miles apart on the map.The actual power lines bringing in power come from all directions.Cheyenne>> Does anyone have a problem with electric in the ground> affecting animals? From what I understand the electric> goes back to the electric company and the electric company> does not insulate the line that well so we have junk electric> affecting us and our animals.> > Thanks,> > Alice> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Thanks so much. Alice Re: Junk electric What you are talking about is called Stray Voltage andyes it does effect cows and other livestock. What youneed to do is add grounding rods deep into the soiland ground any metal objects that come in contact tothe cows, like the milking stalls, pipe line recivergroup. Any metal object that has an electric motor,pannel that is tied to where you milk and contacts thecows needs to be grounded. Large copper rods driven inthe ground about 6 feet work well. Stray voltage is abig problem in dairy's where you have lots of pumps,panels and stainless steel.--- freeantioxidants <freeantioxidants@ yahoo.com>wrote:> Does anyone have a problem with electric in the> ground> affecting animals? From what I understand the> electric> goes back to the electric company and the electric> company> does not insulate the line that well so we have junk> electric> affecting us and our animals.> > Thanks,> > Alice> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools. search.yahoo. com/newsearch/ category. php?category= shopping Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Thanks, Alice Re: Junk electric If you will google 'stray voltage' you should find lots of stuff about it and the problems in commercial dairy. Many of the state extension services have lots of research on this problem in commercial dairy. It's more of a problem when you have lots of concrete, lots of electric machinary, and metal pipes, etc.... It's highly unlikely that it's going to be a problem in your average 'home' dairy where things are mostly wooden and you milk by hand. Hoards has published a lot of info about it over the past many years, too. Contacting your electric service provider and asking them to come out and ensure that your grounds are all done properly and that your transformer is working properly. For example, a few years back I had a friend who had problems with her clothes dryer- it would pretty regularly burn every few months. And, they kept going through light bulbs pretty regular, too. Finally got the electric service to come out and check and sure enough, the transformer was bad. Not totally scewed up enough to not work, but just enough to not work quite 100%. Lightening had run in on the lines several times in the previous months during spring thunderstorms and had caused the problems. DonnaSafehaven Nubians Dandridge, TN>> Does anyone have a problem with electric in the ground> affecting animals? From what I understand the electric> goes back to the electric company and the electric company> does not insulate the line that well so we have junk electric> affecting us and our animals.> > Thanks,> > Alice> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Will these grounding rods take care of the junk electric? Thanks, Alice I have a chart showing 3 rods on each side of the house. looks like a Faraday Cage. Do the rods need to be 6'. Thanks Alice Re: Junk electric What you are talking about is called Stray Voltage andyes it does effect cows and other livestock. What youneed to do is add grounding rods deep into the soiland ground any metal objects that come in contact tothe cows, like the milking stalls, pipe line recivergroup. Any metal object that has an electric motor,pannel that is tied to where you milk and contacts thecows needs to be grounded. Large copper rods driven inthe ground about 6 feet work well. Stray voltage is abig problem in dairy's where you have lots of pumps,panels and stainless steel.--- freeantioxidants <freeantioxidants@ yahoo.com>wrote:> Does anyone have a problem with electric in the> ground> affecting animals? From what I understand the> electric> goes back to the electric company and the electric> company> does not insulate the line that well so we have junk> electric> affecting us and our animals.> > Thanks,> > Alice> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools. search.yahoo. com/newsearch/ category. php?category= shopping Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 I think it follows the Hartmann lines in some cases. I'm not sure if they built the grid originally following the natural earth currents or if new " ley " lines were formed by where the substations were placed. I suspect some of both, but they appeared to know exactly what they were doing when it was built. I'd still like to figure out how to tap into that energy flowing through the ground for free electricity. We keep learning more all the time. Grounding seems to help but is still dumping the current into the ground and water table. Around me the power company drove ground rods down 140 feet on the power poles. It helped keep some of it out of my barn, but what does that do to water quality? Victor Schauberger made some amazing discoveries about the properties of water many decades ago. Cheyenne > > Hi, > Are you saying the junk electrick follows the Hartman lines? If so, a friend gave me > some info on how to use rods to get rid of the Hartman problem. Thanks, Alice > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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