Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 I was recently told by our pediatrician that all pediatric flu shots no longer have thimersol, and needed to give my asthmatic son a flu shot as a prevention for pneumonia. I requested the package insert, and it did not have thimersol listed as an ingredient. My ped said they have no vaccines in their inventory with thimersol. Keep in mind that any vaccines for viruses are only good for the viral strains that are in that vaccine. It is possible to catch another strain of any virus, as viruses continually evolve and mutate (that is how they survive in our environment). Weigh the benefits of the vaccine, and give them individually. We stagger and give one every six months. If in doubt, always ask for the package insert. It would also be a good idea to keep a copy of the vaccine record with the manufacturer and lot number of the vaccine and the date your child received it to help trace any side effects from the vaccine. Hope this helps. --- asccnagla wrote: > , > > You are absolutely correct, they still contain > thimerosal, some > doctors still have batches that contain mercury, and > even the new > vaccines still have mercury in them. Under a > certain weight the FDA > does not require thimerosal to be listed as an > ingredient, but it is > still there. Flu shots recommended for children > have mercury in > them, and other vaccines like single tetanus shots > are still > preserved with thimerosal, so do the meningitis > shots. > > Nagla > > > > > Someone else posted about the organization not > > > representing what a lot of us > > > parents > > > believe can cause autism. I went to Autism > speaks main website > and > > it > > > basically says > > > there is no connection with mercury and > autism. > > > > > > Is this an organization we want to represent > our children? > > > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> > AOL now > > offers free > > > email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from AOL at > > > http://www.aol.com. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 First, thimerosal is used in the manufacture of vaccines, including live virus vaccines, but is " removed " in the process. Trace amounts may remain in the final product. Nobody knows what level of injected mercury, if any, is safe. Dr. Boyd Haley has tested MMR, for instance, and found trace levels. It is plausible that the amount varies by lot. Second, the removal of thimerosal from other vaccines (not live virus) was not mandatory and therefore gradual. Nobody knows how long shots containing thimerosal remained in inventory. In fact, my doctor says she has talked to patients whose children were recently vaccinated with lots still containing thimerosal. Third, there is some debate on whether the package inserts are the final word -- manufactures may have the ability to label it as an ingredient on the box and not the insert, and vice versa. Last, about 75 percent of the flu vaccine contains thimerosal, as much as 25 mcg, which by EPA standards you would have to weigh 550 pounds for this to be a safe limit. This limit was also set using ingested methylmercury as a de facto substitute for injected ethylmercury, which Burbacher, et. al have shown is not accurate. Previously assumed to be less toxic than ingested methylmercury (ie. from fish consumption), his primate study, funded by the National Institutes of Health, showed that while ethylmercury cleared the blood faster, it also deposited more than twice as much inorganic mercury in the brain, where it remains indefinitely. Also seen in the primate study was microglial activation (brain inflammation) in the ethylmercury-injected primates, which has been documented in the brains of autistic humans by Vargas, et al. I agree that it is wise to stagger vaccines, give them individually (including separating the MMR) if you choose to give them at all, but warn that even many pediatricians are not aware of the ingredients of the vaccines they administer. For separate MMR vaccines, google Hopewell Pharmacy and Wellness Pharmacy. I know they previously offered these as separate components. Regards, > > > > Someone else posted about the organization not > > > > > representing what a lot of us > > > > parents > > > > believe can cause autism. I went to Autism > > speaks main website > > and > > > it > > > > basically says > > > > there is no connection with mercury and > > autism. > > > > > > > > Is this an organization we want to represent > > our children? > > > > > > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> > > AOL now > > > offers free > > > > email to everyone. Find out more about what's > > free from AOL at > > > > http://www.aol.com. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 , you are always so well-informed. thanks for keeping me up-to-date, Re: Vaccines First, thimerosal is used in the manufacture of vaccines, including live virus vaccines, but is " removed " in the process. Trace amounts may remain in the final product. Nobody knows what level of injected mercury, if any, is safe. Dr. Boyd Haley has tested MMR, for instance, and found trace levels. It is plausible that the amount varies by lot. Second, the removal of thimerosal from other vaccines (not live virus) was not mandatory and therefore gradual. Nobody knows how long shots containing thimerosal remained in inventory. In fact, my doctor says she has talked to patients whose children were recently vaccinated with lots still containing thimerosal. Third, there is some debate on whether the package inserts are the final word -- manufactures may have the ability to label it as an ingredient on the box and not the insert, and vice versa. Last, about 75 percent of the flu vaccine contains thimerosal, as much as 25 mcg, which by EPA standards you would have to weigh 550 pounds for this to be a safe limit. This limit was also set using ingested methylmercury as a de facto substitute for injected ethylmercury, which Burbacher, et. al have shown is not accurate. Previously assumed to be less toxic than ingested methylmercury (ie. from fish consumption), his primate study, funded by the National Institutes of Health, showed that while ethylmercury cleared the blood faster, it also deposited more than twice as much inorganic mercury in the brain, where it remains indefinitely. Also seen in the primate study was microglial activation (brain inflammation) in the ethylmercury-injected primates, which has been documented in the brains of autistic humans by Vargas, et al. I agree that it is wise to stagger vaccines, give them individually (including separating the MMR) if you choose to give them at all, but warn that even many pediatricians are not aware of the ingredients of the vaccines they administer. For separate MMR vaccines, google Hopewell Pharmacy and Wellness Pharmacy. I know they previously offered these as separate components. Regards, > > > > Someone else posted about the organization not > > > > > representing what a lot of us > > > > parents > > > > believe can cause autism. I went to Autism > > speaks main website > > and > > > it > > > > basically says > > > > there is no connection with mercury and > > autism. > > > > > > > > Is this an organization we want to represent > > our children? > > > > > > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> > > AOL now > > > offers free > > > > email to everyone. Find out more about what's > > free from AOL at > > > > http://www.aol.com. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ ______________ > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Actually in 2004, FDA agreed that it was safe for vaccine manufacturers to put thimerosal back in. This has to do with logistics surrounding the OSC. Most people are not aware of this. Due to the public outrage, most manufacturers are at least offering thimerosol-free vaccines as an option to request when ordering this “product”. If you take CME courses (continuing medical education courses) then you will learn this kind of stuff. Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, D.O. offers these courses as well as a few others (not many though) but they are AMA certified courses. Very obvious double-standards flying around in the American medical system today. You cannot argue with the truth, therefore it still stands and CME courses about TRUTH ON VACCINES still remains today, unfortunately the typical participants in these courses are the rare, and few credible physicians and very educated, concerned and proactive parents and child advocates. http://www.nmaseminars.com/ http://autismhelpforyou.com/LETTER%20TO%20NM%20BOARD%20OF%20PHARMACY%20MEMBE RS.doc you guys might be interested in reading this letter and the links provided in it. A letter to the New Mexico Board Of Pharmacy written by KP Stoller, MD Assistant Clinical Professor, Pediatrics UNM, School of Medicine Medical Director, Hyperbaric Medical Center of New Mexico Re: Vaccines First, thimerosal is used in the manufacture of vaccines, including live virus vaccines, but is " removed " in the process. Trace amounts may remain in the final product. Nobody knows what level of injected mercury, if any, is safe. Dr. Boyd Haley has tested MMR, for instance, and found trace levels. It is plausible that the amount varies by lot. Second, the removal of thimerosal from other vaccines (not live virus) was not mandatory and therefore gradual. Nobody knows how long shots containing thimerosal remained in inventory. In fact, my doctor says she has talked to patients whose children were recently vaccinated with lots still containing thimerosal. Third, there is some debate on whether the package inserts are the final word -- manufactures may have the ability to label it as an ingredient on the box and not the insert, and vice versa. Last, about 75 percent of the flu vaccine contains thimerosal, as much as 25 mcg, which by EPA standards you would have to weigh 550 pounds for this to be a safe limit. This limit was also set using ingested methylmercury as a de facto substitute for injected ethylmercury, which Burbacher, et. al have shown is not accurate. Previously assumed to be less toxic than ingested methylmercury (ie. from fish consumption), his primate study, funded by the National Institutes of Health, showed that while ethylmercury cleared the blood faster, it also deposited more than twice as much inorganic mercury in the brain, where it remains indefinitely. Also seen in the primate study was microglial activation (brain inflammation) in the ethylmercury-injected primates, which has been documented in the brains of autistic humans by Vargas, et al. I agree that it is wise to stagger vaccines, give them individually (including separating the MMR) if you choose to give them at all, but warn that even many pediatricians are not aware of the ingredients of the vaccines they administer. For separate MMR vaccines, google Hopewell Pharmacy and Wellness Pharmacy. I know they previously offered these as separate components. Regards, > > > > Someone else posted about the organization not > > > > > representing what a lot of us > > > > parents > > > > believe can cause autism. I went to Autism > > speaks main website > > and > > > it > > > > basically says > > > > there is no connection with mercury and > > autism. > > > > > > > > Is this an organization we want to represent > > our children? > > > > > > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> > > AOL now > > > offers free > > > > email to everyone. Find out more about what's > > free from AOL at > > > > http://www.aol.com. <http://www.aol.com.> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ ______________ > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html <http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 today as many know we are of opting to vaccine but safely and much spaced out so we are according to state things are of much behind on my Delaney's vaccines. we wanted of only the MMR and nothing of else. well when the clinic which was of very busy called of us she asked of what we were of coming for and so I to stressed we wanted of the MMR only and nothing else and also added I to know we are far behind on the vaccines and she rushed her words back to me and sayed we will take care of you. so we sat fro another hour or so and then she called of me back up and then sayed these are what they will be of given her. and he had over 8 vaccines papers and I to say oh no you are of not given her all those and she shared yes she was and I to say no you are of not I to specifically shared we wanted only the MMR ( many who know of me know these words would be of true of me to only opt one vaccine things but she insited I to did not say of this to her and that she insisted I to asked for all of the ones she had of in her hand. this maked of me angry as I to know of my words and she was of making me like a lie person. She then to sayed to me what? why would you only want to give of her one when she is of so far behind. I to shared of the autism things and the one person beside of her did calm of the worker person down and explained of the reasoning I to ahd was of sound and should be of respected. I to felt as if were in a battle field of professionals who are of so ignorant to the reasons and were of saying so much untrues to me over the vaccines things and the one giving the shot could tell of me being much into researching of things and she stressed of it to me. but she shared that the records showed that Delaney had of a HIB at birth and 3 dTap and a prevnar. I to sayed what? she was never given a HIb. she shared the record shows she was of given one at age of 2 days old. I to be so upset to hear of this because we refused of that shot at the hosptial so it appears someone gave of it to her anyways without our permissions to do so and can explaine the very difficult time we had of with her for the first 8 or so months of the constant screams , she was of a baby that could not self soothe and had of much sensory issues and OCD like things in regards to her she had to have things just right to go to sleep and would only nap for a few minutes to repeat of the screaming again. I to be of so angry and so my aimee asked of if she has a law suit on this? does any to know? we do not want of to sue for lots of money but for the feeling of being violated of our rights to our choices for her/ I to be of only vaccinating her for diseases that are of still out there that can pose a real risk to her health if not given of the vaccine such as whooping cough and or measles are of ones that pose a risk for her and so only looking at those vaccines for her right now. Nothing more. I to felt such as strong overload and tears and now feel agitated by the long day and fighting for my grand babies rights in Ohio to be of exempt vaccines and things of this. they tried of to tell of me of the school vaccine issues of her not being of allowed to go to school if she does not get of her vaccines and to tell them in Ohio that is of not true. and that we do have of several laws that allow us to exempt of them legally. she just be to looked at me as if I to were of deliberately trying to argue and cause issues and I to simply was not , I to just wanted to seek clarity and truth. Sondra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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