Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I've started reasurching goats as we may not be able to get as much land as we were origonally planning on, so a cow may be out of the question (wail). Does anyone on here have goats? I am trying to find information on raising dairy goats but it seems all the info I can find are geared towards modern grain feeding habits. It all says that you HAVE to give them grain. If anyone on here has goats could you maybe help me out a little. At first I was thinking Saanens for quantity of milk, then I thought Nubian's for fat content, then I thought mixing the two (breed a saanen doe to a nubian buck, snubians!) to get lots of milk with lots of fat, then I thought just get a whole bunch of different breeds for fun and just mix the milk. I need some help here LOL, can't they make milk on pasture/brush only? What do you all do? -- Mrs. () Siemens Blessed to be his helpmeet, 6 years and counting!!! Mommy to Zack (5) and Liddy (21 months) no fear, only faith; no guilt, only grace; no pride, only praise; no claim, only Christ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Siemens wrote: >I've started reasurching goats as we may not be able to get as much land as >we were origonally planning on, so a cow may be out of the question (wail). >Does anyone on here have goats? I am trying to find information on raising >dairy goats but it seems all the info I can find are geared towards modern >grain feeding habits. It all says that you HAVE to give them grain. If >anyone on here has goats could you maybe help me out a little. At first I >was thinking Saanens for quantity of milk, then I thought Nubian's for fat >content, then I thought mixing the two (breed a saanen doe to a nubian buck, >snubians!) to get lots of milk with lots of fat, then I thought just get a >whole bunch of different breeds for fun and just mix the milk. I need some >help here LOL, can't they make milk on pasture/brush only? What do you all >do? > > > Here's an interesting link: http://www.attra.org/attra-pub/dairygoats.html#feeding I can't have dairy, but if I could, I'd go for goat dairy over cow dairy any day! :-) Steph -- www.praisemoves.com The Christian alternative to yoga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Check out the book " Raising Milk Goats Successfully " by Gail Luttman. She says if they're used to grain diets you have to go slowly with the brush as on only grain they lose enzymes for digesting roughage. Also that goat milk doesn't separate into cream & milk like cow milk does so you have to buy a separator. How much land are you getting? Goats are hard to contain and you have to worry about dogs, but a good electric fence may help with both. They have solar powered ones now. There's someone, I think with Acres USA who knows all about natural pest control for animals. Let me know if you're interested and I'll try to find it. Sheep and goats can get wormy easily. I've been looking at Milking Red Devons, a triple purpose heritage breed that does well on brush and poor pasture, give up to 17 gallons of milk a week and very nice beef on pasture only. Regular dairy steers are kinda a waste. Also, the Red Devon steers make good draft animals, not that I'd know how to train them to do that! > > I've started reasurching goats as we may not be able to get as much land as > we were origonally planning on, so a cow may be out of the question (wail). > Does anyone on here have goats? I am trying to find information on raising > dairy goats but it seems all the info I can find are geared towards modern > grain feeding habits. It all says that you HAVE to give them grain. If > anyone on here has goats could you maybe help me out a little. At first I > was thinking Saanens for quantity of milk, then I thought Nubian's for fat > content, then I thought mixing the two (breed a saanen doe to a nubian buck, > snubians!) to get lots of milk with lots of fat, then I thought just get a > whole bunch of different breeds for fun and just mix the milk. I need some > help here LOL, can't they make milk on pasture/brush only? What do you all > do? > > -- > Mrs. () Siemens > > Blessed to be his helpmeet, 6 years and counting!!! > > Mommy to Zack (5) and Liddy (21 months) > > no fear, only faith; no guilt, only grace; no pride, only praise; no claim, > only Christ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I'll probably get several different kinds, I think that would be fun and give me a chance to see which ones are best suited for us (as we would be using the milk for drinking, kefir, yogurt, butter, lots of cheese we'll need lots of milk!) Olus I think that would be so cute seeing all kinds of different ones in a herd! Oh wait, what kind was Trouble again? LOL On 1/4/06, Kim Mills <kim.mills@...> wrote: > > > oht, > I'd highly recomen La Manch goats. We've had them as well as > Saanens, Nubians befor and found them a better goat for us. Heres a link: > > > http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/goats/lamancha/ > > They are friendly, hardy and have hight butterfat. > We found they did ok with low/no grain to. It's just you ger more milk if > they get grain. Good pasture and good hay will do fine to. > Kim -- Mrs. () Siemens Blessed to be his helpmeet, 6 years and counting!!! Mommy to Zack (5) and Liddy (21 months) no fear, only faith; no guilt, only grace; no pride, only praise; no claim, only Christ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 samadamfamily wrote: here in ohio that makes movable chicken coupes that can be moved around your yard so ===>Sam, I'm in Ohio, if you're comfortable sharing what area you are in, I might have some sources of fresh eggs and goat milk. Also would like to know who has the movable chicken enclosures. the chickens get fresh bugs and help furtalize the yard! this is a silly question but do you have to keeping getting the goats pregnant to keep their milk supply? what do you do the babies? do you keep them? do you have to do it every year?thankssam> Sam,> > We just sold our goats a few months ago after no one in our house could > drink the milk anymore, due to allergies (probably due to leaky gut). > They are fun pets, and not hard to care for, but you do need to commit > to milking everyday, rain, shine, hot, cold, at home or on vacation. > Depending on your situation, this can tie you down a lot. We were lucky > to have a neighborhood teenager who liked to milk, and she would care > for them whenever we left town. Our children loved them, and they are > a good wholesome activity for kids, but you need the right set up for them.> > > samadamfamily wrote:> > > thank you so much for that nancy- your totally right, we're not > > dealing with autism or> > anything like that just leaky gut which caused the food allergies > > which we're also dairy, soy> > and corn free. when we started the WAPF diet i saw a big improvements > > in my son but my> > other son still had problems with yeast and gluten. he had whole oats > > and rice coming out> > in his bm's so that's when we started SCD. which we were doing fine > > with just removing> > illegals but then since doing the stages i got some severe hemmroids > > from being so> > backed up so i think we're going to add more veggies like you said. we > > started the nut> > muffins too. do you still have your goats? and are the easy to take > > care of? my dad lives on> > a farm and we said if the boys could tolerate goat milk we were > > thinking of getting some> > goats.> > > Sam,> > >> > > There are 3 of us in my house doing GAPS, and we have done it> > > differently for each one. We all started right after Thanksgiving by> > > just removing all illegals (before we really knew about stages). We> > > were already GF/CF/soy free. We all had mild die off symptoms> > > (headache, cranky etc). DD2 has only done GAPS this way and is doing> > > great. With great trepidation, I just gave her 1/8 tsp SCD yogurt this> > > a.m. and am crossing my fingers that she can tolerate it. She was> > > constipated the first week or 2 of GAPS, but that has passed. She has> > > run mucous out of her nose on and off, but has been clear for a few> > > weeks now. She has color in her cheeks, and looks well.> > >> > > With DD1, we went back and started intro right after Christmas as she> > > just wasn't improving well and she was having stomachaches again. She> > > started to improve well after intro, but late Jan we went away > > overnight> > > and I brought a coconut milk and red lentil soup to eat in the hotel.> > > The nasal mucous flared big time, as well as the return of the dark> > > circles under the eyes and looking unwell (it took me a few weeks to> > > figure out it was probably the coconut causing symptoms.). I put her> > > back to foods she had tolerated well before, and within 24 hours there> > > was improvement. We did not progress as slowly as pecanbread> > > suggested. She is not autistic, so I didn't feel like I had to move> > > that slowly. We went from intro, added some cooked fruits, added well> > > cooked veggies, went with easy to digest foods. She still is off of> > > nuts, dairy, coconut, legumes and is steadily improving, but it is > > slow,> > > slow, slow. Her main complaints were nasal congestion which led to poor> > > sleep, sores under the nose, and general misery. Before going GF she> > > had headaches, stomachaches and profound fatigue for an 8 year old. She> > > has been dairy free for ages--after weaning we went to goat milk (even> > > bought goats) because she couldn't tolerate cows milk, but after a few> > > years on goat milk, she couldn't tolerate that, either. Almost all of> > > her dairy in her life has been raw, much of it cultured, but she has> > > been totally dairy free for maybe 2 years now.> > >> > > I have a long list of health complaints, mostly lumped under the > > heading> > > of Chronic Fatigue (low blood pressure, dizziness, fatigue, frequent> > > headaches and the list goes on...). It has taken me almost 3 months on> > > GAPS to finally tackle intro for myself, mostly because I am intolerant> > > of eggs and had trouble lasting more than half a day on just soups. I> > > added SCD yogurt about a month ago (after being dairy free for over a> > > year), and that has gone OK. So, my version of intro is soups and> > > yogurt with banana. I am about 8 days into that, and the first 5 or 6> > > days I had die off reactions much worse than when I went to GAPS in> > > Nov--severe headaches, really foul smelling stool, fatigue, crankiness> > > etc. I am just coming out of all of that, and am planning to add well> > > cooked veggies in next.> > >> > > To answer your question about stages, I think we need to keep in mind> > > that people on pecanbread are trying to heal their children from very> > > serious, deep seated health issues, so a really rigorous approach may> > > make sense for them. If your family is working more with less severe> > > complaints, I think it makes sense to use a milder version of the diet.> > > I would still avoid the really hard to digest foods (legumes and the> > > like), but you may want to add really well cooked veggies and see how> > > that goes. If I remember, your son passed whole food in his stools--I> > > would think that would be a good indicator of what he can and can't> > > tolerate. If something comes out undigested, hold off on that food.> > > Veggies should help ease the constipation.> > >> > > Hope this helps,> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > samadamfamily wrote:> > >> > > > nancy- did you guys go through the stages (peacanbread stages) or did> > > > you just intro one> > > > food at a time or did you just remove all scd illegals and eat> > > > whatever was legal? i'm just> > > > wondering because we're having some difficulties on the stages and i> > > > was just wondering> > > > how important they really are. we've been having horrible > > constipation> > > > problems and we> > > > never had this problem before when we were doing scd just not the> > > > intro/stages but since> > > > doing them we can't get regular.> > > > thanks> > > > sam> > > >> > > > > Sam,> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for the S. Boulardii info. My healthcare person is a GAPS> > > > > believer. And he said to be patient--that it may take as long as > > a year> > > > > to restore vigorous health. That's so hard when you're in the day to> > > > > day of it all, but we're game--we are on month 3 already.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > samadamfamily wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > thanks nancy- i guess your right it doesn't really matter what> > > > bugs we> > > > > > have-what did your> > > > > > healthcare provider tell you to do to help fix the gut bug > > problem?> > > > > > thanks> > > > > > sam> > > > > >> > > > > > > Sam,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We used enterolab for food sensitivities. I don't believe they> > > > do stool> > > > > > > cultures. Great Smokies Lab and Diagnos-Techs will do the> > > > cultures, but> > > > > > > I think you need to have a health care provider order the > > tests for> > > > > > > you. I did GSL for myself several years ago, and I can't say > > it was> > > > > > > that helpful. This time around our healthcare provider didn't> > > > think it> > > > > > > was worth the money. The theory being that it doesn't matter > > all> > > > that> > > > > > > much which bugs you have, the way to restore gut health is the> > > > same. He> > > > > > > felt we were better off putting the dollars towards good > > food and> > > > > > needed> > > > > > > kitchen equipment.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > samadamfamily wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > which one did you order and did it tell you what strains of> > > > > > > > bacteria/yeast is effecting you?> > > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > > > sam> > > > > > > > > We just used enterolab.com.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 rebecca- i'm in columbus ohio, just northwest of columbus and my dad lives in delaware, ohio which we're there allot too. the chicken lady is 2silos farm i think her web address is 2silos.com but let me double check she has all the info about the moveable chicken stuff on her website. she even has things for people who live in the city and want to raise chickens! if you have a source for goat milk please let me know. right now my lady is in johnstown and we drive 45min. to get it but she won't have any till late april. thanks sam > > samadamfamily wrote: > > > > here in ohio that makes movable chicken coupes that can be moved around your yard so > > ===>Sam, I'm in Ohio, if you're comfortable sharing what area you are in, I might have some sources of fresh eggs and goat milk. Also would like to know who has the movable chicken enclosures. > > > > > the chickens get fresh bugs and help furtalize the yard! this is a silly question but do you > have to keeping getting the goats pregnant to keep their milk supply? what do you do the > babies? do you keep them? do you have to do it every year? > thanks > sam > > > Sam, > > > > We just sold our goats a few months ago after no one in our house could > > drink the milk anymore, due to allergies (probably due to leaky gut). > > They are fun pets, and not hard to care for, but you do need to commit > > to milking everyday, rain, shine, hot, cold, at home or on vacation. > > Depending on your situation, this can tie you down a lot. We were lucky > > to have a neighborhood teenager who liked to milk, and she would care > > for them whenever we left town. Our children loved them, and they are > > a good wholesome activity for kids, but you need the right set up for them. > > > > > > samadamfamily wrote: > > > > > thank you so much for that nancy- your totally right, we're not > > > dealing with autism or > > > anything like that just leaky gut which caused the food allergies > > > which we're also dairy, soy > > > and corn free. when we started the WAPF diet i saw a big improvements > > > in my son but my > > > other son still had problems with yeast and gluten. he had whole oats > > > and rice coming out > > > in his bm's so that's when we started SCD. which we were doing fine > > > with just removing > > > illegals but then since doing the stages i got some severe hemmroids > > > from being so > > > backed up so i think we're going to add more veggies like you said. we > > > started the nut > > > muffins too. do you still have your goats? and are the easy to take > > > care of? my dad lives on > > > a farm and we said if the boys could tolerate goat milk we were > > > thinking of getting some > > > goats. > > > > Sam, > > > > > > > > There are 3 of us in my house doing GAPS, and we have done it > > > > differently for each one. We all started right after Thanksgiving by > > > > just removing all illegals (before we really knew about stages). We > > > > were already GF/CF/soy free. We all had mild die off symptoms > > > > (headache, cranky etc). DD2 has only done GAPS this way and is doing > > > > great. With great trepidation, I just gave her 1/8 tsp SCD yogurt this > > > > a.m. and am crossing my fingers that she can tolerate it. She was > > > > constipated the first week or 2 of GAPS, but that has passed. She has > > > > run mucous out of her nose on and off, but has been clear for a few > > > > weeks now. She has color in her cheeks, and looks well. > > > > > > > > With DD1, we went back and started intro right after Christmas as she > > > > just wasn't improving well and she was having stomachaches again. She > > > > started to improve well after intro, but late Jan we went away > > > overnight > > > > and I brought a coconut milk and red lentil soup to eat in the hotel. > > > > The nasal mucous flared big time, as well as the return of the dark > > > > circles under the eyes and looking unwell (it took me a few weeks to > > > > figure out it was probably the coconut causing symptoms.). I put her > > > > back to foods she had tolerated well before, and within 24 hours there > > > > was improvement. We did not progress as slowly as pecanbread > > > > suggested. She is not autistic, so I didn't feel like I had to move > > > > that slowly. We went from intro, added some cooked fruits, added well > > > > cooked veggies, went with easy to digest foods. She still is off of > > > > nuts, dairy, coconut, legumes and is steadily improving, but it is > > > slow, > > > > slow, slow. Her main complaints were nasal congestion which led to poor > > > > sleep, sores under the nose, and general misery. Before going GF she > > > > had headaches, stomachaches and profound fatigue for an 8 year old. She > > > > has been dairy free for ages--after weaning we went to goat milk (even > > > > bought goats) because she couldn't tolerate cows milk, but after a few > > > > years on goat milk, she couldn't tolerate that, either. Almost all of > > > > her dairy in her life has been raw, much of it cultured, but she has > > > > been totally dairy free for maybe 2 years now. > > > > > > > > I have a long list of health complaints, mostly lumped under the > > > heading > > > > of Chronic Fatigue (low blood pressure, dizziness, fatigue, frequent > > > > headaches and the list goes on...). It has taken me almost 3 months on > > > > GAPS to finally tackle intro for myself, mostly because I am intolerant > > > > of eggs and had trouble lasting more than half a day on just soups. I > > > > added SCD yogurt about a month ago (after being dairy free for over a > > > > year), and that has gone OK. So, my version of intro is soups and > > > > yogurt with banana. I am about 8 days into that, and the first 5 or 6 > > > > days I had die off reactions much worse than when I went to GAPS in > > > > Nov--severe headaches, really foul smelling stool, fatigue, crankiness > > > > etc. I am just coming out of all of that, and am planning to add well > > > > cooked veggies in next. > > > > > > > > To answer your question about stages, I think we need to keep in mind > > > > that people on pecanbread are trying to heal their children from very > > > > serious, deep seated health issues, so a really rigorous approach may > > > > make sense for them. If your family is working more with less severe > > > > complaints, I think it makes sense to use a milder version of the diet. > > > > I would still avoid the really hard to digest foods (legumes and the > > > > like), but you may want to add really well cooked veggies and see how > > > > that goes. If I remember, your son passed whole food in his stools--I > > > > would think that would be a good indicator of what he can and can't > > > > tolerate. If something comes out undigested, hold off on that food. > > > > Veggies should help ease the constipation. > > > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > samadamfamily wrote: > > > > > > > > > nancy- did you guys go through the stages (peacanbread stages) or did > > > > > you just intro one > > > > > food at a time or did you just remove all scd illegals and eat > > > > > whatever was legal? i'm just > > > > > wondering because we're having some difficulties on the stages and i > > > > > was just wondering > > > > > how important they really are. we've been having horrible > > > constipation > > > > > problems and we > > > > > never had this problem before when we were doing scd just not the > > > > > intro/stages but since > > > > > doing them we can't get regular. > > > > > thanks > > > > > sam > > > > > > > > > > > Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the S. Boulardii info. My healthcare person is a GAPS > > > > > > believer. And he said to be patient--that it may take as long as > > > a year > > > > > > to restore vigorous health. That's so hard when you're in the day to > > > > > > day of it all, but we're game--we are on month 3 already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > samadamfamily wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks nancy- i guess your right it doesn't really matter what > > > > > bugs we > > > > > > > have-what did your > > > > > > > healthcare provider tell you to do to help fix the gut bug > > > problem? > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We used enterolab for food sensitivities. I don't believe they > > > > > do stool > > > > > > > > cultures. Great Smokies Lab and Diagnos-Techs will do the > > > > > cultures, but > > > > > > > > I think you need to have a health care provider order the > > > tests for > > > > > > > > you. I did GSL for myself several years ago, and I can't say > > > it was > > > > > > > > that helpful. This time around our healthcare provider didn't > > > > > think it > > > > > > > > was worth the money. The theory being that it doesn't matter > > > all > > > > > that > > > > > > > > much which bugs you have, the way to restore gut health is the > > > > > same. He > > > > > > > > felt we were better off putting the dollars towards good > > > food and > > > > > > > needed > > > > > > > > kitchen equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > samadamfamily wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which one did you order and did it tell you what strains of > > > > > > > > > bacteria/yeast is effecting you? > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > sam > > > > > > > > > > We just used enterolab.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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