Re: Heart trouble advice needed

[Guest guest]

> Any recommendations for someone who's currently dependent or

> semi-dependent on nitroglycerin and has very little money for food

> and supplements?

Dependent how? How often does this person have to take nitro? I always

make sure I have a bottle in the house but I haven't had to open one in

more than a year. knock wood. What's the underlying condition?

Lynn S.

medically induced heart attack survivor since 4/17/02

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[Guest guest]

Lynn-

>Dependent how? How often does this person have to take nitro? I always

>make sure I have a bottle in the house but I haven't had to open one in

>more than a year. knock wood. What's the underlying condition?

Dependent or semi-dependent as in having to take it fairly frequently

-- every day or two, maybe more than once a day. Unfortunately I

don't have a lot of info.

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[Guest guest]

> Dependent or semi-dependent as in having to take it fairly frequently

> -- every day or two, maybe more than once a day. Unfortunately I

> don't have a lot of info.

Wow. That's serious angina. I don't know that I have any advice for

that. No one should be having to take nitro that frequently. This

person wouldn't be on a beta blocker would s/he?

Lynn S.

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[Guest guest]

Lynn-

>Wow. That's serious angina. I don't know that I have any advice for

>that. No one should be having to take nitro that frequently. This

>person wouldn't be on a beta blocker would s/he?

I could be mistaken about the frequency of the dosing; I may get more

info later today. But at the very least, I'd guess it's once every

few days, and it sounded like it might be more often than that. I

don't think he's on a beta blocker or anything like that. They tried

to give him a statin, but he threw it away.

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[Guest guest]

> I could be mistaken about the frequency of the dosing; I may get more

> info later today. But at the very least, I'd guess it's once every

> few days, and it sounded like it might be more often than that.

That's still an awful lot. Poor guy. And nitro isn't fun, either.

> I

> don't think he's on a beta blocker or anything like that. They tried

> to give him a statin, but he threw it away.

Get more info and I'll tell you what I can.

Lynn S.

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[Guest guest]

I used to get these occasional heart pains that would only resolve

with gulping a tablespoon or two of unsulfered blackstrap molasses

(Potassium, Calcium, Iron, Magnesium). The organic stuff from

Wholesome Sweetners has twice the Potassium content of regular

molasses (almost 800mg!).

Interesting article about artery bypass grafting patient recovery

using Glucose, Insulin and Potassium.

http://jtcs.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/2/354

Changing to Sea Salt with a higher Magnesium content helped me

immensely. I don't buy the expensive Celtic stuff yet, I just get

Atlantic sea salt from my local health food store. I can't eat

standard table salt anymore.

I also found that going over which vegetables I was eating helped. I

was eating veggies, just not the ones rich in Potassium, Calcium and

Magnesium. It doesn't help Potassium is killed by processing, so you

can't assume that processed potatoes would have it. Once I started

looking for these three nutrients, I got a lot better. (Other than

now I spend more time in the food mart...)

Potassium: Potatoes, Prunes, Raisins, Bananas, Artichokes, Lima Beans,

Acorn Squash, Spinich, Orange Juice (read the bottle, processing kills

Potassium)

Calcium: Bone Stock (I get grass fed bones for $1/lb)

Magnesium: Bran, Nuts, Legumes

-Lana

On 1/6/06, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Any recommendations for someone who's currently dependent or

> semi-dependent on nitroglycerin and has very little money for food

> and supplements?

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[Guest guest]

I second the cal/mag/potassium advice. That is a good baseline for

anyone with heart troubles, it's true.

Lynn S.

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[Guest guest]

Being part of the salt/c forum for treating lyme, I've been doing a

lot of research on vitamin c. It works much better than statin drugs

and clears blockages out of the arteries. There are some really good

articles on the net about the benefits of vitamin c and the heart.

Most recommend 2 - 5 grams a day, which is much better taken as a

powder than that many pills as the cellulose would not be good for you

that they like to put in all pills. Don't know if it would help

angina, but it seems to be overall very helpful in heart conditions,

even protective during/after heart attacks. As you may know, most of

our foods have much less vitamin C than what our ancestors ate, as

their produce was either fermented or fresh picked and ours is years

old in some cases. Year-old " fresh " oranges have no vitamin C left in

them.

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> Any recommendations for someone who's currently dependent or

> semi-dependent on nitroglycerin and has very little money for food

> and supplements?

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[Guest guest]

Sue Massie, a respected natural health practitioner just mentioned on

another forum that iodine deficiency is linked to tachycardia.

The USDA/EPA just approved a new fumigant for food handling facilities

that leaves a fluoride residue on all foods exposed, so our fluoride

exposure just shot up by a lot. Fluoride is similar to iodine and is

taken up into the thyroid in lieu of iodine and causes magnesium and

calcium problems as well. Your friend may want to consider a good

iodine supplement. I like kelp tablets, but many swear by one called

Armour. If fluoride is suspected the things to avoid are non-organic

flours and grains, powdered eggs (can have almost as much fluoride as

toothpaste), and any sort of tea (other than herbal). Also, bones of

animals that aren't organic have really high fluoride levels, some up

to 1000 ppm, so make your bone broth out of organic bones only.

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> > semi-dependent on nitroglycerin and has very little money for food

> > and supplements?

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[Guest guest]

>The USDA/EPA just approved a new fumigant for food handling facilities

>that leaves a fluoride residue on all foods exposed, so our fluoride

>exposure just shot up by a lot.

How wonderful. Thanks very much for the heads-up. This won't be

used for certified organic stuff, though, right?

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[Guest guest]

I thought Armour was a natural thyroid replacement?

-Lana

On 1/7/06, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote:

> I like kelp tablets, but many swear by one called

> Armour.

[Guest guest]

Lana-

Unfortunately, I'm not sure how much of any of these suggestions this

guy can afford at the moment, and it turns out he's taking

nitroglycerin four times a day. Is the take-home message here just

to start preparing his grave?

>Potassium: Potatoes, Prunes, Raisins, Bananas, Artichokes, Lima Beans,

>Acorn Squash, Spinich, Orange Juice (read the bottle, processing kills

>Potassium)

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>Calcium: Bone Stock (I get grass fed bones for $1/lb)

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>Magnesium: Bran, Nuts, Legumes

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[Guest guest]

4x a day?!? Eeeesh, what kind of stress is that poor man under? He

might need to change jobs. Angina is typically triggered by physical

activity - what does he do for a living? You mentioned he was worried

about money: yet another reason he should consider his job as a

possible source of his issues. My heart problems were the worst when

I had money worries.

The cheapest, easiest, most wholesome thing I can reccomend is a

bottle of Organic Blackstrap Unsulfered molasses (it has blood

pressure lowering effects). I get Wholesome Sweetener's brand and it

costs around $3-$5 for a decent sized bottle. My local Shop Rite

stocks it. I'd say at least a Tbsp a day, if not 2 or 3 for him.

(There are 31 Tbsp in a bottle.) It is really good dissolved in milk

if he can't take the taste straight.

But really, he needs to analyze his current lifestyle for stressful

things he can reduce and go back to his doctor to make sure it really

isn't just a blood pressure problem (BP meds), electrical problem

(would require a pacemaker), some sort of blockage or leak (surgery),

or even an infection.

-Lana

On 1/10/06, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Lana-

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> Unfortunately, I'm not sure how much of any of these suggestions this

> guy can afford at the moment, and it turns out he's taking

> nitroglycerin four times a day. Is the take-home message here just

> to start preparing his grave?

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> >Potassium: Potatoes, Prunes, Raisins, Bananas, Artichokes, Lima Beans,

> >Acorn Squash, Spinich, Orange Juice (read the bottle, processing kills

> >Potassium)

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> >Calcium: Bone Stock (I get grass fed bones for $1/lb)

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> >Magnesium: Bran, Nuts, Legumes

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Lana-

>4x a day?!? Eeeesh, what kind of stress is that poor man under?

A lot. I don't know how much I should say (and I'm getting this info

second-hand, actually) but he was attacked, brutally beaten and left

for dead, and then his employer fired him on the assumption that he

must've been in on the robbery, and he lost everything in Katrina,

including most of his family.

>He

>might need to change jobs.

He'd have to get a new one first.

>The cheapest, easiest, most wholesome thing I can reccomend is a

>bottle of Organic Blackstrap Unsulfered molasses (it has blood

>pressure lowering effects).

Sugar? I have to say this doesn't sound very wise to me...

>But really, he needs to analyze his current lifestyle for stressful

>things he can reduce and go back to his doctor to make sure it really

>isn't just a blood pressure problem (BP meds), electrical problem

>(would require a pacemaker), some sort of blockage or leak (surgery),

>or even an infection.

There's some residual physical damage involved, but I don't have the

whole story.

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> A lot. I don't know how much I should say (and I'm getting this info

> second-hand, actually) but he was attacked, brutally beaten and left

> for dead, and then his employer fired him on the assumption that he

> must've been in on the robbery, and he lost everything in Katrina,

> including most of his family.

No wonder! Poor man...

> >The cheapest, easiest, most wholesome thing I can reccomend is a

> >bottle of Organic Blackstrap Unsulfered molasses (it has blood

> >pressure lowering effects).

>

> Sugar? I have to say this doesn't sound very wise to me...

Well, 13g of sugar with 730 mg of Potassium and 115 mg of Calcium, 8%

DV of Magnesium and 15% DV of Iron. (Molasses nutrients vary quite a

bit by brand and degree of processing) A single 8 oz serving of Cola

has twice the sugar of a Tbsp of molasses and I don't know anyone who

drinks 8 oz cups of soda anymore.

It is hard to get good amounts of Potassium in a diet without many

vegetables. Molasses is one of the few foods that has good amounts

of it available. Supplimental Potassium doesn't get absorbed well at

all and can cause trouble if you take too much.

They've actually been doing a number of studies on Potassium, Glucose

and Insulin for heart patients which are proving quite successful. I

linked one in my last post, I'll try to find the others for you.

When I had heart pain, taking a Tbsp or so of Molasses would make it

go away whereas nothing else helped. At first I was worried about the

sugar, but it does work. Honestly, what could sugar do worse than

nitro? Nitro can kill you if you take too much (it'll lower your

blood pressure to the point your body can't get your blood to your

cells fast enough).

> >But really, he needs to analyze his current lifestyle for stressful

> >things he can reduce and go back to his doctor to make sure it really

> >isn't just a blood pressure problem (BP meds), electrical problem

> >(would require a pacemaker), some sort of blockage or leak (surgery),

> >or even an infection.

>

> There's some residual physical damage involved, but I don't have the

> whole story.

I don't know what else to suggest other than prayers. He'll be in mine.

-Lana

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Lana-

>When I had heart pain, taking a Tbsp or so of Molasses would make it

>go away whereas nothing else helped. At first I was worried about the

>sugar, but it does work. Honestly, what could sugar do worse than

>nitro? Nitro can kill you if you take too much (it'll lower your

>blood pressure to the point your body can't get your blood to your

>cells fast enough).

Well, sugar can kill you too, particularly if you're in very bad

health, but maybe the benefits briefly outweigh the drawbacks in this

case. I don't know, so I'll pass along the idea.

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