Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 That means lots of people could be being fed if all that corn wasn't being wasted being made into ethanol. Not too distant future generations will damn our current generation of leaders for not having any realistic energy and food policies instead basing what they had on shoddy science and corruption. In a message dated 3/9/2011 9:39:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes: Strong demand from ethanol producers has driven corn stocks to a 15-year low, while Canada has more feed wheat than usual after excessive rain last year and untimely frost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Wait, my generation does not already damn short sided energy policy? That means lots of people could be being fed if all that corn wasn't being wasted being made into ethanol. Not too distant future generations will damn our current generation of leaders for not having any realistic energy and food policies instead basing what they had on shoddy science and corruption. In a message dated 3/9/2011 9:39:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes: Strong demand from ethanol producers has driven corn stocks to a 15-year low, while Canada has more feed wheat than usual after excessive rain last year and untimely frost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 What I mean was that it hasn't gotten truly terrible yet. It will eventually though. Which leads to another point I was thinking about. What happens to all that digital data when the servers get turned off because of energy scarcity? What happens when the internet is limited or even, citing limited space on servers because of said scarcity, certain information is erased to be gone forever? or simply can't be readily accessed because of limitations on energy? Wait, my generation does not already damn short sided energy policy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 -- In FAMSecretSociety , VISIGOTH@... wrote: " That means lots of people could be being fed if all that corn wasn't being wasted being made into ethanol. Not too distant future generations will damn our current generation of leaders for not having any realistic energy and food policies instead basing what they had on shoddy science and corruption. " While you CAN eat the corn that's being made into ethanol, it's not feed corn either for animals or humans. I think what you mean to say is that if we weren't growing crops for ethanol, we could plant crops for food. Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 That won't happen in countries that are building more nuclear reactors. Only in countries that are scared of nuclear technology. Administrator What I mean was that it hasn't gotten truly terrible yet. It will eventually though. Which leads to another point I was thinking about. What happens to all that digital data when the servers get turned off because of energy scarcity? What happens when the internet is limited or even, citing limited space on servers because of said scarcity, certain information is erased to be gone forever? or simply can't be readily accessed because of limitations on energy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 True. We should have been putting that money we are spending on windmills into nuclear plants. I don't know how popular those green programs are going to be anyway since they will be primarily harvesting energy in the Southwest and Texas and shipping it via long powerlines to the Northeast, at least according to the maps I've seen. It completely bypasses the Northwest and Southeastern states. It seem to be a sop to California and the Northeastern states who have fought so hard against new power plants. So this way they can get away with not building power plants by taking power from other parts of the country and indeed taxing the whole country for this immensely expensive public works project. In a message dated 3/10/2011 3:19:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes: That won't happen in countries that are building more nuclear reactors. Only in countries that are scared of nuclear technology.Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 True. We should have been putting that money we are spending on windmills into nuclear plants. I don't know how popular those green programs are going to be anyway since they will be primarily harvesting energy in the Southwest and Texas and shipping it via long powerlines to the Northeast, at least according to the maps I've seen. It completely bypasses the Northwest and Southeastern states. It seem to be a sop to California and the Northeastern states who have fought so hard against new power plants. So this way they can get away with not building power plants by taking power from other parts of the country and indeed taxing the whole country for this immensely expensive public works project. In a message dated 3/10/2011 3:19:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes: That won't happen in countries that are building more nuclear reactors. Only in countries that are scared of nuclear technology.Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 " I don't know how popular those green programs are going to be anyway since they will be primarily harvesting energy in the Southwest and Texas and shipping it via long powerlines to the Northeast, at least according to the maps I've seen. It completely bypasses the Northwest and Southeastern states. It seem to be a sop to California and the Northeastern states who have fought so hard against new power plants. So this way they can get away with not building power plants by taking power from other parts of the country and indeed taxing the whole country for this immensely expensive public works project. " The more distance electricity travels, the more energy gets lost in transit. If people want to save energy and make it cost less, they need to build power plants closer to where the power is actually used. The current plan wastes an enormous amount of energy. Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 " I don't know how popular those green programs are going to be anyway since they will be primarily harvesting energy in the Southwest and Texas and shipping it via long powerlines to the Northeast, at least according to the maps I've seen. It completely bypasses the Northwest and Southeastern states. It seem to be a sop to California and the Northeastern states who have fought so hard against new power plants. So this way they can get away with not building power plants by taking power from other parts of the country and indeed taxing the whole country for this immensely expensive public works project. " The more distance electricity travels, the more energy gets lost in transit. If people want to save energy and make it cost less, they need to build power plants closer to where the power is actually used. The current plan wastes an enormous amount of energy. Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 That's my point. Also I've been saying that we've been paving over farmland in the East for a long time and we may soon come to regret that especially if the midwest starts drying up, along with parts of California. In a message dated 3/10/2011 3:11:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes: While you CAN eat the corn that's being made into ethanol, it's not feed corn either for animals or humans. I think what you mean to say is that if we weren't growing crops for ethanol, we could plant crops for food. Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 That's my point. Also I've been saying that we've been paving over farmland in the East for a long time and we may soon come to regret that especially if the midwest starts drying up, along with parts of California. In a message dated 3/10/2011 3:11:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes: While you CAN eat the corn that's being made into ethanol, it's not feed corn either for animals or humans. I think what you mean to say is that if we weren't growing crops for ethanol, we could plant crops for food. Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Exactly my point. Even though they say that newer, and highly expensive, technology will be used in the transmission lines, much energy will still be lost. Then there is the matter of those lines running through tornado alley and will be a grand target for terrorists or just locals upset about all that energy passing by their house to people so far away. In a message dated 3/10/2011 12:49:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes: The more distance electricity travels, the more energy gets lost in transit. If people want to save energy and make it cost less, they need to build power plants closer to where the power is actually used. The current plan wastes an enormous amount of energy.Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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