Iron was Re: memory and sea salt

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Lana-

>Your cast iron pans should be well seasoned with oil. You should

>never wash them with soap (because it ruins the oil barrier) - just

>rinse with water and wipe clean. That will protect you from the iron.

Is there any evidence of this? I seem to remember reading a study

which showed substantially higher iron levels for cast iron users,

maybe on this list.

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Lana-

>Nah, this is my Grandmother's wisdom speaking. The oil coating

>prevents the oxidation of iron.

That would be nice, but I wouldn't count on it if I were you. And

it's not merely the oxidation of iron you have to worry about, but

the transfer of iron into food.

>I'll keep an eye out for one. If you find one before me, would you

>kindly forward it to me?

I'll be sure to post it on the list.

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On 1/7/06, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> I'll provisionally accept that it's inert and

> immune to any kind of force I'm likely to bring to bear in the

> kitchen, anyway. I can't say the same of any plain stainless steel

> cookware I've ever had -- collectively it's seemingly donated a

> nontrivial amount of material to my food over the years.

At the moment I'm using stainless steel pans, which I think fail Ray

Peat's magnet test for nickel (magnets don't stick, so they have

nickel, I think?), and I've just been letting the carbon or whatever

build up on them like on cast iron to the point where they basically

look seasoned now. Any chance this organic coating would protect from

metals?

Chris

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> At the moment I'm using stainless steel pans, which I think fail Ray

> Peat's magnet test for nickel

Is that Ray Peat's test? First I heard of it was when Bill

Sandaposted it to chapterleader's. Not that I know much about Ray Peat.

B.

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Chris-

>At the moment I'm using stainless steel pans, which I think fail Ray

>Peat's magnet test for nickel (magnets don't stick, so they have

>nickel, I think?), and I've just been letting the carbon or whatever

>build up on them like on cast iron to the point where they basically

>look seasoned now. Any chance this organic coating would protect from

>metals?

Uh... maybe. You should probably try not to disturb the coating, and

I think it's definitely a good idea not to cook anything acidic in

problem stainless steel, but then again I don't know how much of

those coatings are undesirable substances and how much is just

fully-burnt carbon.

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Chris-

>Yeah, those pans probably aren't helping my health. That and that

>stuff growing on the ceiling in the shower, which we cleaned up with

>bleach, and just came right back. Argh.

Take up on her generous offer if you can't replace your pans

yourself. A little carbon coating might ameliorate the damage a

little... or it might not.

As to the mold, I'm afraid I mostly just have more bad news for

you. Mold almost only ever arises (as a visible, meaningful growth)

due to systemic problems with the building or location, and there's

usually no easy solution. Ideally, you have to change the

environmental conditions to make them inhospitable to mold. That can

be as simple as fixing a leak or as difficult and expensive as

tearing down a house and making major modifications to the land. One

thing you might try, though, besides the usual repairs (caulking,

grouting, teflon taping, etc.) is EM. You might have to spray the

entire bathroom on a daily basis or even more often, but I've heard

that it's an effective treatment for lesser mold problems, so it

might be enough for you. You could try an initial bleach treatment,

then a thorough rinse, then regular EM applications. (Of course,

bleach itself is very harmful, but so it goes.)

Whatever you do, though, don't do nothing. You're just asking for

trouble if you let mold grow unchecked.

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On 1/8/06, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> As to the mold, I'm afraid I mostly just have more bad news for

> you. Mold almost only ever arises (as a visible, meaningful growth)

> due to systemic problems with the building or location, and there's

> usually no easy solution. Ideally, you have to change the

> environmental conditions to make them inhospitable to mold. That can

> be as simple as fixing a leak or as difficult and expensive as

> tearing down a house and making major modifications to the land. One

> thing you might try, though, besides the usual repairs (caulking,

> grouting, teflon taping, etc.) is EM. You might have to spray the

> entire bathroom on a daily basis or even more often, but I've heard

> that it's an effective treatment for lesser mold problems, so it

> might be enough for you. You could try an initial bleach treatment,

> then a thorough rinse, then regular EM applications. (Of course,

> bleach itself is very harmful, but so it goes.)

Thanks for the suggestion. I doubt bleach is anywhere even close to

remotely as harmful as mold. But the systemic idea certainly jives

with our experience. Which was that after a bleach cleaning it came

right back. And we have a fan that blows the air out towards the

door, and we take showers with the door open and the fan on, and leave

the fan on for a little while, so we do what we can to minimize the

moisture, but it thrives nevertheless. And I suspect that that means

it's all over the house in less visible growth, and is just more

visible in the bathroom becasue the steam from the shower fuels the

growth.

Chris

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Chris-

>And I suspect that that means

>it's all over the house in less visible growth, and is just more

>visible in the bathroom becasue the steam from the shower fuels the

>growth.

Very possible. When I was renovating my grandparents' house before

my grandmother sold it, I had to deal with all kinds of issues like

this. It was a huge pain in the lungs, so to speak. I'm

particularly sensitive to mold, having grown up in it (largely in

that very same house) so I'm more aware of the issue than some, but

it seems to be percolating out onto the greater public's radar too.

You can't really do anything about your local climate or even the

soil your house is built on and in, at least without a huge budget,

but fixing leaks and improving ventilation can at least help, and

introducing competitive species like EM is definitely worth a shot.

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On 1/8/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

> What about a de-humidifier?

> B.

Yeah, I thought of that. I guess we might have one in the basement

and it might be worth a shot.

Chris

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