Re: At least 55 killed in Syria pro-democracy violence

[Guest guest]

I wish they would stop calling this "pro-democracy." It really isn't. What's happening is these revolts are kicking off and other powers are taking them over very quickly and easily. In Egypt, the "youth" who started the revolt have vanished and the Muslim Brotherhood is taking over. Along with them are at least 6 very radical Islamic organizations and only 1 moderate secularist group. Its very likely Egypt will have a government worse than Mubarak.

In Lybia there is evidence that Al Qaida is taking to the field alongside the rebels, leading to fears of what that country might turn into after Qadafi. The same will probably hold true for Yemen, Syria and all these other nations.

As I've said before, there is evidence of a guiding hand behind this. Remember that at least some of these "youth" who are provoking these revolts were in DC in the last few years for a convention on staging revolutions and our State Department had a hand in that meeting. No telling how much State and other entities have been helping since then. I think it is all terribly thought out, unless the end goal is a new Caliphate. Given the hatred some top people in this current administration have for the American system in particular and Western Civ in general along with the effusive praise of Islam, this would not surprise me.

In a message dated 3/26/2011 3:48:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

At least 55 killed in Syria pro-democracy violence

[Guest guest]

"As I've said before, there is evidence of a guiding hand behind this. Remember that at least some of these "youth" who are provoking these revolts were in DC in the last few years for a convention on staging revolutions and our State Department had a hand in that meeting. No telling how much State and other entities have been helping since then. I think it is all terribly thought out, unless the end goal is a new Caliphate."

If this is true, I'd be interested in knowing what kind of brainwashing was used to get these people to fight for a type of government without thinking about what the consequences are.

One thing I have noticed, if you supply people with the facts, its "too many" for them. But be nice to them and they will support your side. All my relatives are looking to vote for Obama in the next election and bounce the Republicans out of both sides of congress once and for all, because, to hear them tell it, "they don't know why the country is screwed up and getting worse, but you can bet it's the Republicans behind it."

Now what sort of rhetoric did they hear to cause them to be so entrenched in that point of view. Relatives who were screaming for Obama to shut down GTMO have forgotten that Obama ever made that campaign promise, nor do they remember Obama's comment about it being wrong for the President to take military action when there was no threat to the country, and now they are with him 100%, especially thanks to this Libyan operation, which, for some reason, is the opposite of Gulf War II and Afghanistan.

Go figure.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

I doubt they were brainwashed at all. It is likely they were true believers in their cause. The thing is that they were given the knowledge to cause anarchy, but they didn't have the power base to consolidate power. It is possible they were told they could pull that part off easily but that is rarely the truth. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups have been around for decades, even if they were suppressed, and had a power base not only amongst the people but also in government, business and the military. The youths didn't have that.

The people probably also had legitimate grievances with the government. So, they readily followed the rebels and helped overthrow the government. Most people don't think beyond first causes. The people might have thought a new, better government was already in the works, ready to step into power and a fully formed and functioning government would appear instantly from thin air. It doesn't work that way.

What I'm thinking has happened in Egypt and will likely happen elsewhere is that these youth will all be supplanted by existing but repressed power groups. These groups will pursue their own interests which may not be the will of the people and certainly may not be in our best interests.

Just remember, Democracy and Anarchy are twins in that they are both mob rule and also are transitional forms, with rare exceptions like Switzerland. Most of the time anarchy and democracy are unstable and quickly lead to collapse and the seizure of power by a new elite oligarchy. Very rarely will a true Republic arise from such chaos. I really think these youths were dupes, just like the Communists used young dupes to spread their faith, we are seeing the same thing now, though the ultimate goal is not yet clear.

In a message dated 3/27/2011 1:18:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

If this is true, I'd be interested in knowing what kind of brainwashing was used to get these people to fight for a type of government without thinking about what the consequences are.