Re: Please criticize what I ate yesterday

[Guest guest]

> what to do other than try to find more of the right foods. I do seem

> to be full and functioning on these amounts, I just feel like I'm not

> putting enough into my mouth.

Data for you, Lana. Over at Crossfit the athletes eat like you are and

they regularly report doing great at about 2/3 of what the " calorie

equations " say they should have.

When they want to gain weight they put in more protein and a little

carb to match the protein. Like only an ounce more of animal protein

per day. which is only 2 or 3 bites for me (yes, I checked it out, what

a weirdo).

In your shoes I would continue to check your feeling good, inches, and

pounds, and if you're still losing, to make adjustments. I think the

stress of job stuff and the 5 pounds doesn't have to mean the first

part of a scary downward slide.

Connie

[Guest guest]

On Jan 9, 2006, at 9:19 AM, Lana Gibbons wrote:

>

> This is what I had yesterday:

>

> Breakfast: White Sourdough toast dipped in 3 warmed egg yolks (still

> completely liquid), a large pat of butter (almost 1 Tbsp), a whole

> grapefruit.

>

> Lunch: Whole can of Norwegian Brisling sardines mashed onto crispbread

> (non-NT, ran out of sourdough), 3 Tbsps dessicated coconut mixed with

> 1 Tbsp coconut oil

>

> Snack: Approx 4 oz Homemade Yogurt

>

> Dinner: Sushi (Dragon Roll [cooked], Tuna Roll [raw]), Seaweed salad

>

> Snack: 1 oz Naturale Salame (no nitrites or preservatives, with lactic

> acid culture)

>

> -Lana

>

Wow, wish I could afford such a wonderful diet.

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Lana-

>Breakfast: White Sourdough toast dipped in 3 warmed egg yolks (still

>completely liquid), a large pat of butter (almost 1 Tbsp), a whole

>grapefruit.

>

>Lunch: Whole can of Norwegian Brisling sardines mashed onto crispbread

>(non-NT, ran out of sourdough), 3 Tbsps dessicated coconut mixed with

>1 Tbsp coconut oil

>

>Snack: Approx 4 oz Homemade Yogurt

>

>Dinner: Sushi (Dragon Roll [cooked], Tuna Roll [raw]), Seaweed salad

>

>Snack: 1 oz Naturale Salame (no nitrites or preservatives, with lactic

>acid culture)

First of all, the crust on your sourdough was absolutely pathetic --

hardly any crunch, no flavor -- and even if it wasn't, the rest of

the loaf might as well have been Wonder Bread. You call that

sour? Feh! And the eggs... don't even get me started on the

eggs. The texture of the yolks was greasy, not creamy, and they had

a strong rancid note. Did you mix them with used fryer oil? And

their color was disgustingly pale and weak. What the hell are those

hens eating, anyway? Cardboard? Sawdust? And not cardboard or

sawdust manufactured from trees grown on good soil either, but from

pathetic, stunted little trees grown in dust and misery. Jesus. To

think people even eat such swill... Horrible. And did you even

bother brixing the grapefruit before buying it? No? I thought

not. Didn't you notice that it was no better than eating paper and

water with the faintest hint of vinegar? If you don't have

tastebuds, why bother even eating in the first place?

Oh, wait, maybe that's not the kind of criticism you had in mind? <g>

Seriously, you just got laid off. You're going through some serious

stress. Try to laugh, try to relax, cut yourself a little

slack. Naturally I'd give you my usual dietary and digestive advice,

but your diet (presumably) hasn't changed in nature, just in size,

yes? Are you familiar with EFT? I find it works best for stress,

and stress is exactly what you're dealing with now, so you might want

to give it a shot.

-

[Guest guest]

Thanks Connie,

I guess I just freaked out a little. I used to be badly anorexic (I

once went over 3 weeks without eating more than a little lettuce and

orange juice) and I don't want to get there again.

-Lana

> Data for you, Lana. Over at Crossfit the athletes eat like you are and

> they regularly report doing great at about 2/3 of what the " calorie

> equations " say they should have.

>

> When they want to gain weight they put in more protein and a little

> carb to match the protein. Like only an ounce more of animal protein

> per day. which is only 2 or 3 bites for me (yes, I checked it out, what

> a weirdo).

>

> In your shoes I would continue to check your feeling good, inches, and

> pounds, and if you're still losing, to make adjustments. I think the

> stress of job stuff and the 5 pounds doesn't have to mean the first

> part of a scary downward slide.

>

> Connie

[Guest guest]

I am extremely blessed in that my SO can afford high quality foods

(and is willing to buy them for me). If I were on my own it would be

a far different story.

-Lana

> Wow, wish I could afford such a wonderful diet.

>

> Parashis

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[Guest guest]

> First of all, the crust on your sourdough was absolutely pathetic --

> hardly any crunch, no flavor -- and even if it wasn't, the rest of

<snip>

> water with the faintest hint of vinegar? If you don't have

> tastebuds, why bother even eating in the first place?

LOL!

> Oh, wait, maybe that's not the kind of criticism you had in mind? <g>

>

> Seriously, you just got laid off. You're going through some serious

> stress. Try to laugh, try to relax, cut yourself a little

> slack.

Yeah, I'm trying to. I was already picky enough before I got laid off

and now my body doesn't seem to want to eat anything that isn't

extremely fatty or high in cholestorol other than a little citrus

fruit here and there. Sometimes I genuinely dislike having to feed

myself.

> Naturally I'd give you my usual dietary and digestive advice,

> but your diet (presumably) hasn't changed in nature, just in size,

> yes?

Mostly, I'm just eating less, but I'm eating more fat in general,

(mostly saturated fat), cholestorol and a lot less carbs. I guess

that's not a bad thing.

However, the reasons I'm eating the way I am... I wake up nauseous.

Its only fixable by egg yolks or coconut. I don't quite understand

why.

I'm also having trouble eating cooked meats. (Fish and eggs are

fine.) The salame is great, but the NT pot roast the night before and

the tacos tonight just didn't do it. I actually gag when I smell it

cooking. I've never had this happen before (last time I went through

a picky phaise all I ate was meat). Neither meat is grass fed because

I haven't made the drive out to pick up more meat. But I gag even

worse over the grass-fed liver I made so I don't know.

I was going to go out today and pick up some Vitamin D since I've been

craving sunlight recently.

> Are you familiar with EFT? I find it works best for stress,

> and stress is exactly what you're dealing with now, so you might want

> to give it a shot.

Thanks , I'll look into it.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

Lana-

>and now my body doesn't seem to want to eat anything that isn't

>extremely fatty or high in cholestorol other than a little citrus

>fruit here and there. Sometimes I genuinely dislike having to feed

>myself.

There's nothing wrong with extremely fatty and high in cholesterol

with a little citrus here and there, you know. Sounds like your body

may be saying " I'm stressed out so I need the best possible food you

can give me " .

>However, the reasons I'm eating the way I am... I wake up nauseous.

>Its only fixable by egg yolks or coconut. I don't quite understand

>why.

Is pregnancy a possibility? Not my area of expertise.

>I'm also having trouble eating cooked meats. (Fish and eggs are

>fine.) The salame is great, but the NT pot roast the night before and

>the tacos tonight just didn't do it. I actually gag when I smell it

>cooking. I've never had this happen before (last time I went through

>a picky phaise all I ate was meat). Neither meat is grass fed because

>I haven't made the drive out to pick up more meat. But I gag even

>worse over the grass-fed liver I made so I don't know.

All this sounds like either pregnancy or brain cancer. ;-)

>I was going to go out today and pick up some Vitamin D since I've been

>craving sunlight recently.

Could be a good idea, at least provided your fat intake has been high

enough and sufficiently saturated for a good long time now.

-

[Guest guest]

> There's nothing wrong with extremely fatty and high in cholesterol

> with a little citrus here and there, you know. Sounds like your body

> may be saying " I'm stressed out so I need the best possible food you

> can give me " .

Yeah, I think you might be right.

> >However, the reasons I'm eating the way I am... I wake up nauseous.

> >Its only fixable by egg yolks or coconut. I don't quite understand

> >why.

>

> Is pregnancy a possibility? Not my area of expertise.

I hope not (I'd rather wait another 5-10 years). Very slim chance,

but a chance nonetheless. I'll know for sure in a couple of days.

I've always had hormone issues and they typically get worse in the

winter. I also used to use a certain natural substance to taper the

symptoms which I am now not at liberty to take since I'm looking for a

job. I'm pondering supplimenting with some natural melatonin to get

the same effect.

> >I'm also having trouble eating cooked meats. (Fish and eggs are

> >fine.) The salame is great, but the NT pot roast the night before and

> >the tacos tonight just didn't do it. I actually gag when I smell it

> >cooking. I've never had this happen before (last time I went through

> >a picky phaise all I ate was meat). Neither meat is grass fed because

> >I haven't made the drive out to pick up more meat. But I gag even

> >worse over the grass-fed liver I made so I don't know.

>

> All this sounds like either pregnancy or brain cancer. ;-)

LOL! *has her fingers crossed its neither!*

> >I was going to go out today and pick up some Vitamin D since I've been

> >craving sunlight recently.

>

> Could be a good idea, at least provided your fat intake has been high

> enough and sufficiently saturated for a good long time now.

What's a good long time? My fat intake has been better since I found

NT almost a year ago but it has only been exceptional for the last few

weeks.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

> I guess I just freaked out a little. I used to be badly anorexic (I

> once went over 3 weeks without eating more than a little lettuce and

> orange juice) and I don't want to get there again.

>

> -Lana

Righty-o, I don't blame you. Once that cycle gets its hooks in it's

twice as hard to come back up.

I do think the appetite disregulation is something to watch. (Hope

you're not pregnant, LOL, last time I thought I had gall bladder

problems from madly scanning symptom lists, I thought I couldn't be

pregnant because DH had vasectomy 6 years ago... but I was. They

aren't kidding when they say only abstinence is 100%, just FYI. )

Speaking of stress - besides someone's suggestion of EFT, what all do

you have in your treat-you-like-a-queen toolkit? Music, repetitive

movement, meditation, a sound masseuse? Perhaps those can balance

the biggie of job stress. I'd need em all but it's better than just

being all twisted up.

Connie

[Guest guest]

> I do think the appetite disregulation is something to watch. (Hope

> you're not pregnant, LOL, last time I thought I had gall bladder

> problems from madly scanning symptom lists, I thought I couldn't be

> pregnant because DH had vasectomy 6 years ago... but I was. They

> aren't kidding when they say only abstinence is 100%, just FYI. )

Yeap. I kinda knew that all along. Dang that 1%. *crosses fingers*

I have a test upstairs, I'll take it if things don't follow the

normal course by this weekend.

> Speaking of stress - besides someone's suggestion of EFT, what all do

> you have in your treat-you-like-a-queen toolkit? Music, repetitive

> movement, meditation, a sound masseuse? Perhaps those can balance

> the biggie of job stress. I'd need em all but it's better than just

> being all twisted up.

That's a good question. Not much!

I've gotten into this thing recently where I use a washcloth bag that

holds salt to bathe with instead of soap and that is just

unbelieveable! My skin is soooo nice from it too.

I have this blow up ball up in the closet that I used to exercise with

but I put it away ages ago and I never took it back out. (Dog wanted

to pop it.) I used to listen to a lot of Celtic music when I got

stressed, now I never seem to think of it when I need it the most.

I'm gonna run out to my car and put my XM radio on - I love their

Audio Visions channel. I should take up yoga or meditation or

something, but I never really knew where to start.

I'm going to have to make a point to build myself a decent Queen

Toolkit. Thanks Connie, great idea.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

> I've gotten into this thing recently where

> I use a washcloth bag that

> holds salt to bathe with instead of soap and that is just

> unbelieveable! My skin is soooo nice from it too.

That sounds cool! I do skin brushing and I'm always interested in

good skin things.

> I have this blow up ball up in the closet that

> I used to exercise with

> but I put it away ages ago and I never

> took it back out. (Dog wanted

> to pop it.)

Oh I'd be tempted to let him do it just to watch.

Fitness equipment works well with black humor, oh aye.

> I used to listen to a lot of Celtic music when I got

> stressed, now I never seem to think of it when I need it the most.

> I'm gonna run out to my car and put my XM radio on - I love their

> Audio Visions channel. I should take up yoga or meditation or

> something, but I never really knew where to start.

>

> I'm going to have to make a point to build myself a decent Queen

> Toolkit. Thanks Connie, great idea.

I was the best ever at being Frau Brown, head of the Life is Earnest

& Dreary Department. After I figured out that pleasure was a

nutrient things are much better.

There's a new fitness modality out there that I think is great for a

combo of yoga and meditation, have you seen Clubbells and CST? It's a

modern form of ancient heavy clubs for exercising. You get the

repetitive motion without the boring part of running, because heavy

clubs demand your focus on every rep. And it makes you feel

marvelous. And because it works the musculature, connective tissue,

and bones in all planes and angles, 3D, it's like yoga in the way it

strengthens the whole body instead of isolated parts like other

strength systems. Actually I call it the " Celtic fat girl's revenge "

but only I know what that means, LOL.

Oops am I going on and on? I just love them things.

Here's a video of a bunch of 50-ish people swinging clubs, to music

from " Brother Where Art Thou " :

http://www.conniesclubbellcafe.com/sg_swings2.AVI

Here's a link to the product kit for getting started. (Yes I am the

person in the testimonial.)

http://www.clubbell.tv/intuflow.html

At the clubbell.tv site there's a lot more on the big guys and the

really heavy clubs but this is the lighter end.

Connie

[Guest guest]

> I've gotten into this thing recently where

> I use a washcloth bag that

> holds salt to bathe with instead of soap and that is just

> unbelieveable! My skin is soooo nice from it too.

> That sounds cool! I do skin brushing and I'm always interested in

> good skin things.

I couldn't find a bag so I ended up taking 1/4 of a washcloth and

sewing it into a bag myself. I have never felt cleaner or more

refreshed coming out of the shower. A few hours after I dry off my

skin gets this creamy texture which is to die for. It looks like I

covered myself in lotion without the greasy mess!

What is skin brushing?

> Oh I'd be tempted to let him do it just to watch.

> Fitness equipment works well with black humor, oh aye.

LOL!

> I was the best ever at being Frau Brown, head of the Life is Earnest

> & Dreary Department. After I figured out that pleasure was a

> nutrient things are much better.

That's a good way to think about it.

The clubbells look really neat. I think I would really enjoy that.

I'm going to try to find a set on sale somewhere.

Thanks!

-Lana

[Guest guest]

> What is skin brushing?

Just brushing your skin with a brush when the skin is dry.

It's amazing that it has an effect but it does. Seems too simple.

http://www.greendoorwellness.com/dryskin.html

> The clubbells look really neat. I think I would really enjoy that.

> I'm going to try to find a set on sale somewhere.

They are more fun than anything. I've been consistent with them for a

couple of years and I never did that before. I have a whole rant on

how the fitness environment is slanted toward ecto bodies who like

treadmills and yoga, leaving not much for my kinda girl... until now!!

Connie

[Guest guest]

[Lana] This is what I had yesterday: [see first post in thread]

[Mike] Wow, that is amazingly high-quality food day! In practice,

that's about as good as a person can eat. Far superior to even 99% of

your fellow NTers folks I'd say. As long you're getting all the

nutrients you need with such nutrient-dense food (assuming the

sources/soil is good quality of course), calories are not so

important. It's okay be skinny as long as you're getting adequate

nutrition. Some people follow that path intentionally. It's just very

difficult to maintain very high nutrient-density, but it's certainly

possible with practice, knowledge, and effort. Possibly a small bits

of greens besides the sea veggies, like kale, nettle, etc would be a

great way to even further diversify your nutrient intake. If you want

some extra calories just slightly increase the serving size of the

sardines, coconut, and yogurt (4oz? wow, that's tiny... I have to try

hard not to drink my kefir a quart at a time).

Also, by the way, there's no point in calculating macronutrients (fat,

protein, carbs) and calories... It's a waste of time... As far as

body weight, you can just weigh yourself once a day and notice

trends... If you want more weight, increase portion sizes... If you

want less, decrease them... Life is simple! Always remember that

physical activity can vary wildly in essentially incalculable ways,

because of household chores and other parts of normal living... Just

calculate key micronutrients like Mg, vit D, vit A, Zn, etc, maybe

about a dozen or so and the rest will take care of themselves... And

there's no point to calculating cholesterol because as long as you're

getting a little the actual amount doesn't matter and there's no upper

limit to worry about...

Sorry if I sound like a know-it-all... You probably know all this and

more than me, so just take it as one person's view stated this way for

discourse convenience!

Anyway, congratulations on an awesome diet! And if you're not getting

your sea veggies from Larch Hanson, allow me to recommend doing so:

http://www.alcasoft.com/seaweed/

I was just reading a recent newsletter from him... What can I say?

What a cool guy! If only every ingredient had a source so trustworthy

and optimal...

Alaria is my favorite and endlessly flexible...

It's not an optimally nutrient-dense day without some sea greens!

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

> [Mike] Wow, that is amazingly high-quality food day! In practice,

> that's about as good as a person can eat. Far superior to even 99% of

> your fellow NTers folks I'd say.

Wow, that's one heck of a compliment. I have to admit, I was pretty

clueless when I started this last year. Without this list I don't

think I could have gotten as far as I have. (Thanks

Guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

> As long you're getting all the

> nutrients you need with such nutrient-dense food (assuming the

> sources/soil is good quality of course), calories are not so

> important. It's okay be skinny as long as you're getting adequate

> nutrition. Some people follow that path intentionally.

I'm still getting the hang of finding good sources for my food. I

have a brixmeter in the cabinet but I haven't gotten into the habit of

using it regularly yet. Now that I have the time to drive all over

the place I'm gonna stock my freezer up with all sorts of yummies. (I

guess being unemployed can be a good thing after all!)

> It's just very

> difficult to maintain very high nutrient-density, but it's certainly

> possible with practice, knowledge, and effort. Possibly a small bits

> of greens besides the sea veggies, like kale, nettle, etc would be a

> great way to even further diversify your nutrient intake.

I'll try to add some in. If there's one thing I never seem to eat

enough of, its greens. Although I did endulge in a giant artichoke

today with a full 3 Tbps of butter. Ahhh, heaven. I honestly will

never know why I stopped making artichokes.

I've heard Nettle is almost like a multivitamin in itself. Where do you get it?

> yogurt (4oz? wow, that's tiny... I have to try

> hard not to drink my kefir a quart at a time).

I have trouble eating more than that at one time. I used to be able

to eat a whole huge container of yogurt before I started making it at

home. Now after a few scoops my saliva is so out of hand I have to

stop! I don't think I've produced that much saliva in my entire life.

LOL. I'm still getting the hang of keeping it all in my mouth!

> If you want more weight, increase portion sizes... If you

> want less, decrease them... Life is simple!

You know its funny, I've been feeding my dog like that for the last 5

years... duh.

> Just

> calculate key micronutrients like Mg, vit D, vit A, Zn, etc, maybe

> about a dozen or so and the rest will take care of themselves...

Willdo. Thank you, I think this is very good advice for me.

> Sorry if I sound like a know-it-all... You probably know all this and

> more than me, so just take it as one person's view stated this way for

> discourse convenience!

Nah, I don't know anything. I really appreciate your reply,

you've given me tons of ideas on where to refine my diet a little

more.

> And if you're not getting

> your sea veggies from Larch Hanson, allow me to recommend doing so:

> http://www.alcasoft.com/seaweed/

Thanks for the link!

Sincerely,

Lana M. Gibbons

[Guest guest]

Lana-

> > Could be a good idea, at least provided your fat intake has been high

> > enough and sufficiently saturated for a good long time now.

>

>What's a good long time? My fat intake has been better since I found

>NT almost a year ago but it has only been exceptional for the last few

>weeks.

Depends on whom you ask, but anywhere from six months to a year or so.

-

[Guest guest]

Lana-

>I couldn't find a bag so I ended up taking 1/4 of a washcloth and

>sewing it into a bag myself.

Just curious -- the salt doesn't all rapidly dissolve and wash away?

-

[Guest guest]

Mike-

>If you want more weight, increase portion sizes... If you

>want less, decrease them... Life is simple!

For you. Unfortunately you often make the assumption that it is (or

can be) for everyone else too.

-

[Guest guest]

On 1/11/06, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Lana-

>

> >I couldn't find a bag so I ended up taking 1/4 of a washcloth and

> >sewing it into a bag myself.

>

> Just curious -- the salt doesn't all rapidly dissolve and wash away?

,

It does it you get the washcloth too wet. I've always been in the

habit of soaping up out of the water stream, so I do the same with the

salt cloth. If it doesn't feel salty enough, I give it a quick shot

of water and then squeeze it out over my hair.

I'm also finding it helps to limit the amount of salt I put in it.

1/2 cup seems to be the magic amount for me.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

[Lana] I've heard Nettle is almost like a multivitamin in itself.

Where do you get it?

[Mike] You pretty much have to find a wild patch. I've noticed it

grows best in shade, along the edge of the woods, against the side of

my house, etc. I'm lucky to have several thriving patches of it. I was

too busy this year :-( but I could've gotten many gallons of it to

preserve for summer and winter... Most leaves are

super-nutrient-dense, but very few are edible for humans and it

appears that nettle does edge out the nutritional competition... It

is the truly the king of vegetables...

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm also finding it helps to limit the amount of salt I put in it.

> 1/2 cup seems to be the magic amount for me.

>

> -Lana

>

Hi Lana,

I don't think you mentioned what kind of salt your using?

Terry

[Guest guest]

I am using plain unscented coarse bath salt. I think it is Masada brand?

I used to just soak in the salt in the tub until winter came. The tub

is on an outer wall of the house's extention and the water gets icy in

only 5-10 minutes. Not very relaxing if you ask me.

-Lana

On 1/12/06, Terry Benouameur <tben@...> wrote:

> >

> > I'm also finding it helps to limit the amount of salt I put in it.

> > 1/2 cup seems to be the magic amount for me.

> >

> > -Lana

> >

>

> Hi Lana,

>

> I don't think you mentioned what kind of salt your using?

>

> Terry

[Guest guest]

I get my dried nettle leaf from www.mountainroseherbs.com for

$8.75/lb.

Does anyone know how this would work in kimchee? And how much dry

leaf/hot water and how long do you steep?

I'm doing it for the calcium and for the kidney-friendly aspect.

Connie H.

>

> [Lana] I've heard Nettle is almost like a multivitamin in itself.

> Where do you get it?

>

> [Mike] You pretty much have to find a wild patch. I've noticed it

> grows best in shade, along the edge of the woods, against the side

of

> my house, etc. I'm lucky to have several thriving patches of it. I

was

> too busy this year :-( but I could've gotten many gallons of it to

> preserve for summer and winter... Most leaves are

> super-nutrient-dense, but very few are edible for humans and it

> appears that nettle does edge out the nutritional competition...

It

> is the truly the king of vegetables...

>

> Mike

> SE Pennsylvania

>

[Guest guest]

[Connie] I get my dried nettle leaf from www.mountainroseherbs.com for $8.75/lb.

Does anyone know how this would work in kimchee?

[Mike] I've used fresh nettle (steamed first so I don't get pricked

while making it!) in kimchi a bunch of times. You can basically put

anything in kimchi. My plan this year was to make kimchi with nettle

as the main ingredient, just adding the usual chilis, garlic, ginger,

fish, etc, but I was just too busy. I'll do it this spring.

[Connie] And how much dry leaf/hot water and how long do you steep?

[Mike] I have no doubt this is entirely a matter of your personal

taste preference!!

Mike

SE Pennsylvania