Re: cybernox cookware on sale

January 10, 2006

What has been your experience with these pans? How stick resistant are they?

Do you know if the materials they are made of safe to cook with? Any aluminum?

I don't usually trust the promo on these things.

jafa

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January 10, 2006

Jafa-

>What has been your experience with these pans? How stick resistant

>are they? Do you know if the materials they are made of safe to

>cook with? Any aluminum? I don't usually trust the promo on these things.

I don't think has used them, though I could be wrong.

Anyway, they're made of stainless steel and the cooking surface is

coated with a supposedly indestructible crystal that was developed by

the French for shielding rockets IIRC.

The stick resistance is definitely not comparable to brand-new

high-quality teflon cookware. However, a quick soak after cooking

has liberated everything I've ever cooked in the two pans I have with

a simple wipe of the sponge -- no scrubbing needed -- and once the

pan heats up, it becomes substantially stick resistant. You're

supposed to put the cooking fat in, heat the pan, and then once it's

adequately heated, add the food. The crystal needs to heat up and

expand to become stick resistant.

It also browns and develops a fond infinitely better than teflon can.

Is the substance toxic? I don't know. Do minute and invisible

amounts of it rub or leech into the food? Possibly. But I've never

seen a piece of cookware maintain a perfect mirror shine like this

stuff does. It sure doesn't _look_ like anything's scraping off into

my food, for whatever that is or isn't worth, and the only caution is

that you're supposed to use only a steel scrubber (one is provided

with each piece) or the soft side of a sponge, not the scrubby side,

because that seems to leave marks. Why I don't know, but it does,

because the only marks on the first piece I bought are from my

scrubby sponge, and they don't appear to be damage to the coating either.

As to the cooking quality, I like it. The handles could be vented a

bit better and I wish the aluminum layer that's sandwiched inside the

stainless steel for heat-conducting purposes wasn't just a disk in

the bottom but extended up the sides, like in All Clads' premium

stainless steel cookware, but I prefer the seemingly inert, easily

cleanable and substantially nonstick coating of the Cybernox. I used

to have an All Clad pan, and the stainless steel showed definite

signs of wear over time, meaning that I was presumably eating stainless steel.

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January 10, 2006

,

Thanks for the informative answer.

I'm also looking into cookware called scanpan made with titanium. Has a

similar resistive sticking surface. Have you heard of it? If so, what do you

think of it?

Also, I just received word that the saccarine has finally been shipped. A

problem with the company moving or something like that. So, that's good

news.

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Jafa-

> I'm also looking into cookware called scanpan made with

> titanium. Has a similar resistive sticking surface. Have you

> heard of it? If so, what do you think of it?

Scanpan is teflon with titanium. I'd avoid it if I were you -- it

essentially has all the usual drawbacks of teflon except that you can

use metal utensils on it.

> Also, I just received word that the saccarine has finally

> been shipped. A problem with the company moving

> or something like that. So, that's good news.

Ah, good news!

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January 11, 2006

> I don't think has used them, though I could be wrong.

,

I have not used the Cybernox pans nor even seen one. I was looking it

up since you liked them but for the life of me I can't get my mind to

accomodate why anyone would prefer a stainless steel frying pan over

enameled cast-iron.

B.

January 11, 2006

I for one can not use them, as I have a bad elbow. The cast iron is so heavy

(even the small pans), that they aggravate my condition.

,

Are the cybernox less heavy than cast iron? I assumed so.

jafa

downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote: -

,

I have not used the Cybernox pans nor even seen one. I was looking it

up since you liked them but for the life of me I can't get my mind to

accomodate why anyone would prefer a stainless steel frying pan over

enameled cast-iron.

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>

> I for one can not use them, as I have a bad elbow. The cast iron

is so heavy (even the small pans), that they aggravate my condition.

jafa,

just after I hit " send " the thought occurred to me that someone might

have an injury or otherwise be unable to lift a heavy pan. My

apologies, wish I had a wider mind.

B.

January 12, 2006

,

>,

>I have not used the Cybernox pans nor even seen one. I was looking it

>up since you liked them but for the life of me I can't get my mind to

>accomodate why anyone would prefer a stainless steel frying pan over

>enameled cast-iron.

> B.

Is the enamel inert? Which is safer - enameled cast iron or cybernox?

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January 12, 2006

Suze-

>Is the enamel inert?

As I can regrettably attest, it is not.

>Which is safer - enameled cast iron or cybernox?

That's the $64,000 question. I don't know whether anyone knows.

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January 12, 2006

> >Is the enamel inert?

>

> As I can regrettably attest, it is not.

,

Please attest! Is the enamel not glass?

B.

January 12, 2006

> Is the enamel inert? Which is safer - enameled cast iron or cybernox?

Suze,

I thought it was inert. As far as safer, I'm hesitant when it comes

to space-age materials.

B.

January 12, 2006

-

>Please attest! Is the enamel not glass?

I'm not sure what it is, but I don't think it's glass. My glasses

haven't been worn away in the dishwasher, but my Le Creuset enameled

cast iron was. Whether any of the enamel leeched into my food is a

somewhat separate question, and I don't have an answer.

-

January 12, 2006

> I'm not sure what it is, but I don't think it's glass. My glasses

> haven't been worn away in the dishwasher, but my Le Creuset enameled

> cast iron was. Whether any of the enamel leeched into my food is a

> somewhat separate question, and I don't have an answer.

,

Glass applied to metal is called enamel. Because you were fool enough

to put it in the dishwasher and it wore off due to friction doesn't

make an enamel surface less-than inert, does it? If I understand the

meaning of inert?

B.

/go ahead, send me to school

January 14, 2006

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>Glass applied to metal is called enamel.

I believe most enamels have powdered glass as a base, but there are

non-vitreous enamels, and even vitreous enamels have all sorts of

other ingredients which dramatically affect their properties.

>Because you were fool enough

>to put it in the dishwasher and it wore off due to friction

Friction? What friction do you think is present in my

dishwasher? It was a reformulation of the detergent I used as " clear

rinse " detergents swept the industry, replacing all that came before

them. Now I'm stuck using much more environmentally friendly but

much less effective Seventh Generation stuff.

>doesn't

>make an enamel surface less-than inert, does it? If I understand the

>meaning of inert?

Depends on the conditions. I don't know whether Le Creuset enamel is

inert when cooking food, but it definitely turned out to not be inert

when exposed to detergent, and it can certainly be scratched and worn

if you don't handle it carefully. (Scratching is one Le Creuset sin

I'm not guilty of.)

Cybernox certainly seems a lot more inert than Le Creuset, anyway.

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January 15, 2006

-

>but for the life of me I can't get my mind to

>accomodate why anyone would prefer a stainless steel frying pan over

>enameled cast-iron.

I'm vain and I like seeing my reflection in my cookware?

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