Re: US jobs creation stalls in June

[Guest guest]

The real unemployment rate, including the underemployed, is closer to 16%. Add in welfare recipients and its over 20%. The economy isn't improving because Obama is so hostile to business. Its nothing but more taxes, more regulation, all of which make maintaining current employees difficult let alone hiring new ones.

Add to that the EPA waging war against energy production and farms which is insane dust emission regulations, well, small wonder again. If business can't even be sure the power plants will be operating to supply them power or if farmers will be able to produce enough product for them, they just can't plan. Yet every day it seem the EPA is attacking another segmented of the economy with pointless new regulations and limits. Of course the EPA isn't required to do cost-benefit analysis on their regulations. Also remember that a past EPA administrator in the 1990's said that wanted to make the EPA as feared as the IRS. Looks like they are going full bore for that and they will wreck the country to achieve it.

In a message dated 7/8/2011 2:47:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

US jobs creation stalls in June

[Guest guest]

BTW, I meant to ask, is your business subject to regulations? Technically you

are a farmer. Do you replant? If so, is it voluntary or required?

Administrator

Add to that the EPA waging war against energy production and farms which is

insane dust emission regulations, well, small wonder again.

[Guest guest]

For those who don't know, I'm in the timber business. There are MANY laws now that we have to follow but I'm not sure if replanting is one of them. I've never thought about that because we always have replanted, usually four trees to every one that is cut in the final cutting. I don't know if the dust regulations will apply or not but my guess is that they will. They will most likely fall on the contractors that do the cutting and on the mills, though they could also affect truckers who haul the cut timber because the regulations may make it an offense to kick up dust while driving on a dirt road. I'm sure if the EPA could swing it they will fine land owners as well for allowing dust to be generated on their land, which creates the interesting problem of windblow dust.

These rules could be so loose, at least from what I've been hearing, that you could even be fined for creating dust while mowing your law or, like I said, simply driving down the road.

Like I said, the EPA doesn't have to do cost benefit analysis, it just has to crank out regulations. The more regulations and the harsher they are, the more power the agency has. The more power it has, the more its budget can grow and the cycle repeats. It really is an agency that has far exceed its original mandate and should be disbanded and replaced with a new agency with much stricter limitations.

In a message dated 7/8/2011 4:28:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

BTW, I meant to ask, is your business subject to regulations? Technically you are a farmer. Do you replant? If so, is it voluntary or required?Administrator

[Guest guest]

Thanks .

Administrator

For those who don't know, I'm in the timber business. There are MANY laws now

that we have to follow but I'm not sure if replanting is one of them. I've never

thought about that because we always have replanted, usually four trees to every

one that is cut in the final cutting. I don't know if the dust regulations will

apply or not but my guess is that they will. They will most likely fall on the

contractors that do the cutting and on the mills, though they could also affect

truckers who haul the cut timber because the regulations may make it an offense

to kick up dust while driving on a dirt road. I'm sure if the EPA could swing it

they will fine land owners as well for allowing dust to be generated on their

land, which creates the interesting problem of windblow dust.

These rules could be so loose, at least from what I've been hearing, that you

could even be fined for creating dust while mowing your law or, like I said,

simply driving down the road.

Like I said, the EPA doesn't have to do cost benefit analysis, it just has to

crank out regulations. The more regulations and the harsher they are, the more

power the agency has. The more power it has, the more its budget can grow and

the cycle repeats. It really is an agency that has far exceed its original

mandate and should be disbanded and replaced with a new agency with much

stricter limitations.

In a message dated 7/8/2011 4:28:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

no_reply writes:

BTW, I meant to ask, is your business subject to regulations? Technically you

are a farmer. Do you replant? If so, is it voluntary or required?

Administrator

[Guest guest]

Certainly. This has been kind of stuck in the back of my head, so I'll provide some more details.

This is how we manage the land. Other reputable forestry companies follow similar methods as well. However, some don't.

I'll start with replanting. If the ground is fairly flat, then mechanical planting can be used. This is faster, more regular and cheaper. Hand planting is used on slopes or if the ground is too soft for the machines. It is slower, more spotty and more expensive. This is mainly done with pines since pines don't really care where they grow and they respond well to being cultivated in nurseries. Hardwood species prefer bottom land and somewhat damper conditions. They also don't like being machine or hand planted. For this reason some good trees are left behind after a cutting so the land can reseed naturally.

A few years later maybe 60 to 10 depending on region, weather and other things, the trees are ready for the first thinning. They can be as much as 8 feet tall by now. How many trees are taken depends on the health of the trees and how densely growing they are. The idea here is not to make money, but to open up space for the remaining tree to grow properly.

Some years later, another thinning takes place. After this there might a third to a quarter of the trees left. They will be the ones that will grow to full maturity in the final harvest. The harvest can come as much as 20 years after the planting or more if there were dry spells in there.

As for regulations, one of the annoying ones is a set back from streams and creeks. That is about 50 feet. It might not seem like much, but when you draw that out along the length of the creek, it adds up. Supposedly this if for erosion control and not clogging the creek with debris. I don't really buy that since it is easy enough to avoid getting debris in the waterway and the understory plays a large part in erosion control. Allowing selective cutting in those areas, meaning picking or two trees at a time rather than clear cutting, would make sense. Another is rules about endangered species. A few years ago we had to pay a lot of money for the supposed relocation of some endangered salamanders, but no one ever recalls seeing anyone doing that kind of work anywhere. So it was thousands of dollars spent on nothing. Not only that, but the places there things were supposed to live was already protected by the set back rules and could also have been protected but proper harvesting methods.

That's just a start. The contractors have to deal with a lot of rules as well, some of which make sense. They have to take continuing education every year where they learn about safety, forestry, accounting and first aid. This really makes them more effective at their job. Many might not have college degrees but the owners are pretty sharp guys or they don't stay in business.

In a message dated 7/8/2011 5:09:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

Thanks .Administrator

[Guest guest]

If there was an agency to report that to, you should have done it, but then

again, that might of created a lot of red tape and delay while an investigation

took place.

Administrator

Re: Re: US jobs creation stalls in June

Another is rules about endangered species. A few years ago we had to pay a lot

of money for the supposed relocation of some endangered salamanders, but no one

ever recalls seeing anyone doing that kind of work anywhere. So it was thousands

of dollars spent on nothing. Not only that, but the places there things were

supposed to live was already protected by the set back rules and could also have

been protected but proper harvesting methods.