Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 My son has been in speech for a year & sign language has been taught along the way. He has never been interested in sign language & has never used it on a regular basis. He has signed " eat " & " more " probably 10 times in the last year. I'm wondering if the PECS would work with him? He is a bright child, and really loves looking at/reading numbers & letters. The speech path never really tried that avenue. It's really hard to know what may help... perhaps he won't really start speaking until he has been treated by Dr. Goldberg and some underlying issues are addressed. Thanks for sharing! --- Barb Katsaros <barbkatsaros@...> wrote: > When he was 2 1/2 i took him to dsc for an eval, and > he was approved for speech 2x per week, ot once, > play > therapy once, and i also put him in a very good > preschool for 3 hours in the a.m. when he turned 3, > he was eligible for the school district preschool > program. they had a program which coordinated thru > headstart, so he actually got a whole day of a lot > of > interaction, speech and ot. other than not talking, > he progressed quite well and on schedule. but he > was > sick a lot. around 4 1/2 things started kicking in > for him neurologically. i think in his case, early > intervention was very helpful. i knew to do this, > because my older son had speech issues also, altho > not > as bad. he received intervention more around 3 1/2. > > we used no meds at the time. they have been with > dr. > Goldberg now for 3 plus years, so they are on meds > now. > my youngest developed normally until he was 13 mos. > or > so and then lost all language. he was very > frustrated > and acted out quite a bit--anger fits and biting. > we > never did sign language, but now when i look back, i > wish we had. it would have given him an avenue of > communication. > > --- Curtis and Hackler <thehacks@...> > wrote: > > > What seemed to spark his talking? Did you do > > specific > > therapies or what? Did some medication seem to > > help? > > > > --- Barb Katsaros <barbkatsaros@...> wrote: > > > > > My son also started talking like crazy around 4 > or > > > so. > > > Before that he had 3 words, but i knew he > > > understood > > > so much more. To this day, he is very verbal > but > > > quite a.d.d. > > > > > > --- Jandjatindy@... wrote: > > > > > > > , Sorry I didn't get back to you before, > > > > deleted the post and couldn't > > > > remember your name. You had ask me what we did > > > other > > > > than saying " no flapping, > > > > just clapping " and clapping her hands. Against > > > > family advice of " if you do > > > > that she will never talk " in 1990, we taught > her > > > > sign language. It really helped > > > > take the focus off everyone always looking at > > her > > > > mouth saying " say________. " > > > > It also took away some frustration. She took > off > > > > after that at around age 4. > > > > To this day I will look at her in a crowded > room > > > and > > > > sign something and we > > > > will both laugh!! > > > > Joni > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barb Katsaros > > > barbkatsaros@... > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 We started signing with our twins (a boy with 'autism' and a NT girl) when they were 7 months old. Neither one was interested. My son with ASD was taught PECS in his special day preschool, but he didn't start talking until 3 months later we started intensive Pivotal Response Training, 2 hours/day, 5 days/week at home (during his summer break from school). He took off with his speech the 2.5 months we did it (then RC started paying for ABA, which we did for 6 months and he regressed). So, we're done with ABA and back to intensive language/play therapy (this time Affect Based Language Curriculum) and again his language is taking off. We did not start with Dr. Goldberg until around the same time we started with ABA. Dr. G has helped him a lot in terms of a healthier immune system, better eye contact, calmer, more focused, interested in his twin for the first time, etc. I want to make sure I point out that he did not regress because of Dr. G. If your child isn't talking (yet), I recommend an intensive speech program. Dr. G can help a lot with medical issues, but if your child is behind, he will probably also recommend intense therapy to help them catch up. Kristy Re: hand flapping/PECS My son has been in speech for a year & sign language has been taught along the way. He has never been interested in sign language & has never used it on a regular basis. He has signed " eat " & " more " probably 10 times in the last year. I'm wondering if the PECS would work with him? He is a bright child, and really loves looking at/reading numbers & letters. The speech path never really tried that avenue. It's really hard to know what may help... perhaps he won't really start speaking until he has been treated by Dr. Goldberg and some underlying issues are addressed. Thanks for sharing! --- Barb Katsaros <barbkatsaros@...> wrote: > When he was 2 1/2 i took him to dsc for an eval, and > he was approved for speech 2x per week, ot once, > play > therapy once, and i also put him in a very good > preschool for 3 hours in the a.m. when he turned 3, > he was eligible for the school district preschool > program. they had a program which coordinated thru > headstart, so he actually got a whole day of a lot > of > interaction, speech and ot. other than not talking, > he progressed quite well and on schedule. but he > was > sick a lot. around 4 1/2 things started kicking in > for him neurologically. i think in his case, early > intervention was very helpful. i knew to do this, > because my older son had speech issues also, altho > not > as bad. he received intervention more around 3 1/2. > > we used no meds at the time. they have been with > dr. > Goldberg now for 3 plus years, so they are on meds > now. > my youngest developed normally until he was 13 mos. > or > so and then lost all language. he was very > frustrated > and acted out quite a bit--anger fits and biting. > we > never did sign language, but now when i look back, i > wish we had. it would have given him an avenue of > communication. > > --- Curtis and Hackler <thehacks@...> > wrote: > > > What seemed to spark his talking? Did you do > > specific > > therapies or what? Did some medication seem to > > help? > > > > --- Barb Katsaros <barbkatsaros@...> wrote: > > > > > My son also started talking like crazy around 4 > or > > > so. > > > Before that he had 3 words, but i knew he > > > understood > > > so much more. To this day, he is very verbal > but > > > quite a.d.d. > > > > > > --- Jandjatindy@... wrote: > > > > > > > , Sorry I didn't get back to you before, > > > > deleted the post and couldn't > > > > remember your name. You had ask me what we did > > > other > > > > than saying " no flapping, > > > > just clapping " and clapping her hands. Against > > > > family advice of " if you do > > > > that she will never talk " in 1990, we taught > her > > > > sign language. It really helped > > > > take the focus off everyone always looking at > > her > > > > mouth saying " say________. " > > > > It also took away some frustration. She took > off > > > > after that at around age 4. > > > > To this day I will look at her in a crowded > room > > > and > > > > sign something and we > > > > will both laugh!! > > > > Joni > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barb Katsaros > > > barbkatsaros@... > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 What is affect based language curriculum? --- Kristy Nardini <krnardini@...> wrote: > We started signing with our twins (a boy with > 'autism' and a NT girl) when > they were 7 months old. Neither one was interested. > > My son with ASD was taught PECS in his special day > preschool, but he didn't > start talking until 3 months later we started > intensive Pivotal Response > Training, 2 hours/day, 5 days/week at home (during > his summer break from > school). He took off with his speech the 2.5 months > we did it (then RC > started paying for ABA, which we did for 6 months > and he regressed). So, > we're done with ABA and back to intensive > language/play therapy (this time > Affect Based Language Curriculum) and again his > language is taking off. > > We did not start with Dr. Goldberg until around the > same time we started > with ABA. Dr. G has helped him a lot in terms of a > healthier immune system, > better eye contact, calmer, more focused, interested > in his twin for the > first time, etc. I want to make sure I point out > that he did not regress > because of Dr. G. > > If your child isn't talking (yet), I recommend an > intensive speech program. > Dr. G can help a lot with medical issues, but if > your child is behind, he > will probably also recommend intense therapy to help > them catch up. > > Kristy > Re: hand flapping/PECS > > > My son has been in speech for a year & sign > language > has been taught along the way. He has never been > interested in sign language & has never used it on > a > regular basis. He has signed " eat " & " more " > probably > 10 times in the last year. I'm wondering if the > PECS > would work with him? He is a bright child, and > really > loves looking at/reading numbers & letters. The > speech path never really tried that avenue. It's > really hard to know what may help... perhaps he > won't > really start speaking until he has been treated by > Dr. > Goldberg and some underlying issues are addressed. > > Thanks for sharing! > > --- Barb Katsaros <barbkatsaros@...> wrote: > > > When he was 2 1/2 i took him to dsc for an eval, > and > > he was approved for speech 2x per week, ot once, > > play > > therapy once, and i also put him in a very good > > preschool for 3 hours in the a.m. when he > turned 3, > > he was eligible for the school district > preschool > > program. they had a program which coordinated > thru > > headstart, so he actually got a whole day of a > lot > > of > > interaction, speech and ot. other than not > talking, > > he progressed quite well and on schedule. but > he > > was > > sick a lot. around 4 1/2 things started kicking > in > > for him neurologically. i think in his case, > early > > intervention was very helpful. i knew to do > this, > > because my older son had speech issues also, > altho > > not > > as bad. he received intervention more around 3 > 1/2. > > > > we used no meds at the time. they have been > with > > dr. > > Goldberg now for 3 plus years, so they are on > meds > > now. > > my youngest developed normally until he was 13 > mos. > > or > > so and then lost all language. he was very > > frustrated > > and acted out quite a bit--anger fits and > biting. > > we > > never did sign language, but now when i look > back, i > > wish we had. it would have given him an avenue > of > > communication. > > > > --- Curtis and Hackler > <thehacks@...> > > wrote: > > > > > What seemed to spark his talking? Did you do > > > specific > > > therapies or what? Did some medication seem > to > > > help? > > > > > > --- Barb Katsaros <barbkatsaros@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > My son also started talking like crazy > around 4 > > or > > > > so. > > > > Before that he had 3 words, but i knew he > > > > understood > > > > so much more. To this day, he is very > verbal > > but > > > > quite a.d.d. > > > > > > > > --- Jandjatindy@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > , Sorry I didn't get back to you > before, > > > > > deleted the post and couldn't > > > > > remember your name. You had ask me what we > did > > > > other > > > > > than saying " no flapping, > > > > > just clapping " and clapping her hands. > Against > > > > > family advice of " if you do > > > > > that she will never talk " in 1990, we > taught > > her > > > > > sign language. It really helped > > > > > take the focus off everyone always looking > at > > > her > > > > > mouth saying " say________. " > > > > > It also took away some frustration. She > took > > off > > > > > after that at around age 4. > > > > > To this day I will look at her in a > crowded > > room > > > > and > > > > > sign something and we > > > > > will both laugh!! > > > > > Joni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barb Katsaros > > > > barbkatsaros@... > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 It's a structured program developed by Dr. Stanley Greenspan and a SLP. I bought the book and accompanying CD-Rom from Amazon.com for ~$55. It's tailored to each individual child and it's designed to be intense play-based therapy that is really effective (at least for my son) and fun. It gives you a series of questionnaires to help you determine your child's level of language, and then it helps you set up a curriculum to work through each of the areas your child needs work. I've also read " The Child With Special Needs " and " Engaging Autism " by Greenspan, and we've been doing Floortime with my son for ~2 years, so I think that was helpful to help me do the curriculum. Kristy Re: hand flapping/PECS > > > My son has been in speech for a year & sign > language > has been taught along the way. He has never been > interested in sign language & has never used it on > a > regular basis. He has signed " eat " & " more " > probably > 10 times in the last year. I'm wondering if the > PECS > would work with him? He is a bright child, and > really > loves looking at/reading numbers & letters. The > speech path never really tried that avenue. It's > really hard to know what may help... perhaps he > won't > really start speaking until he has been treated by > Dr. > Goldberg and some underlying issues are addressed. > > Thanks for sharing! > > --- Barb Katsaros <barbkatsaros@...> wrote: > > > When he was 2 1/2 i took him to dsc for an eval, > and > > he was approved for speech 2x per week, ot once, > > play > > therapy once, and i also put him in a very good > > preschool for 3 hours in the a.m. when he > turned 3, > > he was eligible for the school district > preschool > > program. they had a program which coordinated > thru > > headstart, so he actually got a whole day of a > lot > > of > > interaction, speech and ot. other than not > talking, > > he progressed quite well and on schedule. but > he > > was > > sick a lot. around 4 1/2 things started kicking > in > > for him neurologically. i think in his case, > early > > intervention was very helpful. i knew to do > this, > > because my older son had speech issues also, > altho > > not > > as bad. he received intervention more around 3 > 1/2. > > > > we used no meds at the time. they have been > with > > dr. > > Goldberg now for 3 plus years, so they are on > meds > > now. > > my youngest developed normally until he was 13 > mos. > > or > > so and then lost all language. he was very > > frustrated > > and acted out quite a bit--anger fits and > biting. > > we > > never did sign language, but now when i look > back, i > > wish we had. it would have given him an avenue > of > > communication. > > > > --- Curtis and Hackler > <thehacks@...> > > wrote: > > > > > What seemed to spark his talking? Did you do > > > specific > > > therapies or what? Did some medication seem > to > > > help? > > > > > > --- Barb Katsaros <barbkatsaros@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > My son also started talking like crazy > around 4 > > or > > > > so. > > > > Before that he had 3 words, but i knew he > > > > understood > > > > so much more. To this day, he is very > verbal > > but > > > > quite a.d.d. > > > > > > > > --- Jandjatindy@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > , Sorry I didn't get back to you > before, > > > > > deleted the post and couldn't > > > > > remember your name. You had ask me what we > did > > > > other > > > > > than saying " no flapping, > > > > > just clapping " and clapping her hands. > Against > > > > > family advice of " if you do > > > > > that she will never talk " in 1990, we > taught > > her > > > > > sign language. It really helped > > > > > take the focus off everyone always looking > at > > > her > > > > > mouth saying " say________. " > > > > > It also took away some frustration. She > took > > off > > > > > after that at around age 4. > > > > > To this day I will look at her in a > crowded > > room > > > > and > > > > > sign something and we > > > > > will both laugh!! > > > > > Joni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barb Katsaros > > > > barbkatsaros@... > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 This sounds wonderful. It may be what we need. I am looking into it now, thanks! Kristy Nardini <krnardini@...> wrote: It's a structured program developed by Dr. Stanley Greenspan and a SLP. I bought the book and accompanying CD-Rom from Amazon.com for ~$55. It's tailored to each individual child and it's designed to be intense play-based therapy that is really effective (at least for my son) and fun. It gives you a series of questionnaires to help you determine your child's level of language, and then it helps you set up a curriculum to work through each of the areas your child needs work. I've also read " The Child With Special Needs " and " Engaging Autism " by Greenspan, and we've been doing Floortime with my son for ~2 years, so I think that was helpful to help me do the curriculum. Kristy Re: hand flapping/PECS > > > My son has been in speech for a year & sign > language > has been taught along the way. He has never been > interested in sign language & has never used it on > a > regular basis. He has signed " eat " & " more " > probably > 10 times in the last year. I'm wondering if the > PECS > would work with him? He is a bright child, and > really > loves looking at/reading numbers & letters. The > speech path never really tried that avenue. It's > really hard to know what may help... perhaps he > won't > really start speaking until he has been treated by > Dr. > Goldberg and some underlying issues are addressed. > > Thanks for sharing! > > --- Barb Katsaros <barbkatsaros@...> wrote: > > > When he was 2 1/2 i took him to dsc for an eval, > and > > he was approved for speech 2x per week, ot once, > > play > > therapy once, and i also put him in a very good > > preschool for 3 hours in the a.m. when he > turned 3, > > he was eligible for the school district > preschool > > program. they had a program which coordinated > thru > > headstart, so he actually got a whole day of a > lot > > of > > interaction, speech and ot. other than not > talking, > > he progressed quite well and on schedule. but > he > > was > > sick a lot. around 4 1/2 things started kicking > in > > for him neurologically. i think in his case, > early > > intervention was very helpful. i knew to do > this, > > because my older son had speech issues also, > altho > > not > > as bad. he received intervention more around 3 > 1/2. > > > > we used no meds at the time. they have been > with > > dr. > > Goldberg now for 3 plus years, so they are on > meds > > now. > > my youngest developed normally until he was 13 > mos. > > or > > so and then lost all language. he was very > > frustrated > > and acted out quite a bit--anger fits and > biting. > > we > > never did sign language, but now when i look > back, i > > wish we had. it would have given him an avenue > of > > communication. > > > > --- Curtis and Hackler > <thehacks@...> > > wrote: > > > > > What seemed to spark his talking? Did you do > > > specific > > > therapies or what? Did some medication seem > to > > > help? > > > > > > --- Barb Katsaros <barbkatsaros@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > My son also started talking like crazy > around 4 > > or > > > > so. > > > > Before that he had 3 words, but i knew he > > > > understood > > > > so much more. To this day, he is very > verbal > > but > > > > quite a.d.d. > > > > > > > > --- Jandjatindy@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > , Sorry I didn't get back to you > before, > > > > > deleted the post and couldn't > > > > > remember your name. You had ask me what we > did > > > > other > > > > > than saying " no flapping, > > > > > just clapping " and clapping her hands. > Against > > > > > family advice of " if you do > > > > > that she will never talk " in 1990, we > taught > > her > > > > > sign language. It really helped > > > > > take the focus off everyone always looking > at > > > her > > > > > mouth saying " say________. " > > > > > It also took away some frustration. She > took > > off > > > > > after that at around age 4. > > > > > To this day I will look at her in a > crowded > > room > > > > and > > > > > sign something and we > > > > > will both laugh!! > > > > > Joni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barb Katsaros > > > > barbkatsaros@... > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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