Re: Ariz. Legislature OKs presidential 'birther' bill

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The questions about Obama's birth certificate seem to be a cheap shot instead of actually trying to have substantial debates and arguments. Anyways, what does a circumcision certificate prove?On Apr 16, 2011, at 0:16, environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_xgr_obama_birth_certificate

Ariz. Legislature OKs presidential 'birther' bill

By JACQUES BILLEAUD, Associated Press Jacques Billeaud, Associated Press – Fri Apr 15, 1:54 am ET

PHOENIX – The Arizona Legislature gave final approval late Thursday night to a proposal that would require President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates to prove they are U.S. citizens before their names can appear on the state's ballot.

Arizona would become the first state to require such proof if Gov. Jan Brewer signs the measure into law.

Republican Rep. Carl Seel of Phoenix, the author of the bill, said the bill wasn't about opposition to Obama. "This bill is about the integrity of our elections," Seel said.

Thirteen other states have considered similar proposals this year. The proposals were defeated in Arkansas, Connecticut, Maine and Montana.

The bill won final approval from the state House in a 40-16 vote.

So-called "birthers" contend since the last presidential election that Obama is ineligible to hold the nation's highest elected office because, they argue, he was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland. The Constitution said a person must be a "natural-born citizen" to be eligible for the presidency.

Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama's citizenship, and his Hawaiian birth certificates have been made public. Even though the courts have rebuffed lawsuits challenging Obama's eligibility, the issue hasn't gone away.

"It's a fringe issue in my view, and it's going to cause people to look again at Arizona and say what's all this craziness going on there," said Democratic Rep. of Tucson, an opponent of the bill.

The Arizona proposal would require political parties and presidential candidates to hand in affidavits stating a candidate's citizenship and age and to provide the candidate's birth certificate and a sworn statement saying where the candidate has lived for 14 years.

If candidates don't have a copy of their birth certificates, they could meet the requirement by providing baptismal or circumcision certificates, hospital birth records and other documents.

If it can't be determined whether candidates who provided documents in place of their birth certificates are eligible to appear on the ballot, the secretary of state would be able to set up a committee to help determine whether the requirements have been met.

The names of candidates can be kept off the ballot if the secretary of state doesn't believe the candidates met the citizenship requirement.

[Guest guest]

I believe Obama was born in this country. With that said, I think people need to

open their eyes and decide on the basis of issues who should be President next

term.

It makes opposing political parties look bad when they argue for opposition to

their most fierce candidate on the basis of birth (which has already been

proved) rather than issues, but then, members of all opposing political parties

are guilty of doing the same things they accuse Obama and his party of doing, so

perhaps the birth issue is the last feeble leg they have to stand on.

Administrator

Re: Ariz. Legislature OKs presidential 'birther' bill

The questions about Obama's birth certificate seem to be a cheap shot instead of

actually trying to have substantial debates and arguments. Anyways, what does a

circumcision certificate prove?

[Guest guest]

There is another point here. He may or may not have been born in the US, but he spent his formative years in a culture that was decidedly not American and attended non-American schools. I don't think that is something the Founders could have considered since this was only really possible with modern transportation.

One of these days the civilized world will wise up and ban Marxism and other radical leftist ideology. Until then, it is going to keeping eroding nations and wrecking them.

In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:33:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

I believe Obama was born in this country. With that said, I think people need to open their eyes and decide on the basis of issues who should be President next term. It makes opposing political parties look bad when they argue for opposition to their most fierce candidate on the basis of birth (which has already been proved) rather than issues, but then, members of all opposing political parties are guilty of doing the same things they accuse Obama and his party of doing, so perhaps the birth issue is the last feeble leg they have to stand on. Administrator

[Guest guest]

There is another point here. He may or may not have been born in the US, but he spent his formative years in a culture that was decidedly not American and attended non-American schools. I don't think that is something the Founders could have considered since this was only really possible with modern transportation.

One of these days the civilized world will wise up and ban Marxism and other radical leftist ideology. Until then, it is going to keeping eroding nations and wrecking them.

In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:33:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

I believe Obama was born in this country. With that said, I think people need to open their eyes and decide on the basis of issues who should be President next term. It makes opposing political parties look bad when they argue for opposition to their most fierce candidate on the basis of birth (which has already been proved) rather than issues, but then, members of all opposing political parties are guilty of doing the same things they accuse Obama and his party of doing, so perhaps the birth issue is the last feeble leg they have to stand on. Administrator