silveredge.com CS generators

[Guest guest]

i doubt that machine is making anything different that a silvergen, silver

puppy, or colloid master, which all make a solution that's around 80-90%

silver ions (which are single atoms hungry for an electron - silver doesn't

GET any smaller). the other 10-20% is particles, two or more atoms bonded

together. when the particles are predominantly large enough the solution is

no longer clear; colors range according to size of particles from very pale

yellow to muddy brownish black. if your CS is clear, then particles are

quite small. over time particles grow, color may change and metallic silver

will fall to the bottom of the container. if the CS is brewed excessively

in attempting to make it stronger more large particles are produced. i've

made CS with ionic concentration as high as is possible to make (probably

around 90ppm) by brewing until the solution is black, filtering, letting it

set a day or two and re-filtering, then re-brewing until black again ...

repeating this several times. over a few months with weekly filtering the

particles grow & eventually are filtered or fall out and it goes back to

crystal clear. filtering causes ions to turn to particles so the final CS

after about a year is about 50-65ppm and probably greater than 95% ions...

i've made it where it no longer shows a Tyndall effect at all (a laser beam

shined through it is invisible, not red). very stable stuff for a couple

years.

for all practical purposes, simply making CS quickly at 8-13ppm results in a

clear solution that is stable and works great. forcing it over about 20ppm

is when large particles are created and silver wasted.... and argyria

invited if used copiously over time.

ions and particles both kill microbes. the ions seem so have some different

effects within the body that are good. most of the most knowledgeable folk

around regarding CS agree the 8-15ppm clear CS produced by LVDC generators

is about as good as it gets.

therefore, i believe the silveredge.com machines are no better than the more

popular ones i mentioned which are at least $100 cheaper. their website

says some good stuff, but where they claim some superiority is, to my eyes,

sales BS that someone with a more scientific mind than i could readily pick

apart.

using higher voltage HVDC similar CS can be made from a converted microwave

oven ($20 in most any thrift shop) in a couple minutes instead of hours.

Duncan Crow describes the conversion on his website. it's quick and easy,

but there's an element of danger in the discharging of the big capacitor to

deal with to avoid electrocution... not a big deal, but MUST be done.

> Re: Brushiing with H202

>

>

> A refurbished micro-particle ionic colloidal silver water maker from

> silveredgehealth.com is only $159.00 plus shipping. Many of my

> friends have

> purchased them. In my opinion, colloidal silver water is much better than

> hydrogen peroxide because it kills so many different kinds of

> bacteria, but

> that's only my opinion from my research.

>

> And yes, Listerine and other commercial mouthwashes are very dangerous and

> cancer causing. Ahh, the terrible wonders of TV advertising and the

> pharmaceutical drug pushers. My bet is there are more pharmaceutical

> addicts than there are good old street drug addicts...

>

>

>

>

>

> > I'm using a mouthwash that uses " food grade " h2o2 that I get from the

> > New Seasons store here in Portland. I can't speak for its

> safety, but I have

> > read that the very popular mouthwash, Listerine, is supposedly

> causing mouth

> > cancer due to its very heavy use of strong alcahol. (Was it

> something like

> > 80%?) Something about destroying the good, protective bacteria

> with the bad.

> >

> > I have had an occasional " bulge " under the gum, alongside a tooth, most

> > probably puss, but with a few minute soak with the h2o2 it

> clears up. I was

> > using an aural chelation a few years ago and suspect that, or

> maybe using

> > the drugstore 3% straight h2o2, in the past befor finding the

> food grade, it

> > feels as though most of my " silver " (murcury) fillings have

> fallen out, as

> > well as the gold crowns.

> >

> > As long as the rotton teeth don't hurt, I'm OK with them!

> >

> > It's a bitch to be poor!! Vance

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I've used several silver water making machines. Using the silveredge

micro-particle machine I've made silver water at 28 - 40 ppm absolutely

clear. And even more ppm absolutely clear. You should test it before

opening your big mouth and spouting a lot of technical nonsense that has no

basis in fact.

> i doubt that machine is making anything different that a silvergen,

> silver

> puppy, or colloid master, which all make a solution that's around 80-90%

> silver ions (which are single atoms hungry for an electron - silver doesn't

> GET any smaller). the other 10-20% is particles, two or more atoms bonded

> together. when the particles are predominantly large enough the solution is

> no longer clear; colors range according to size of particles from very pale

> yellow to muddy brownish black. if your CS is clear, then particles are

> quite small. over time particles grow, color may change and metallic silver

> will fall to the bottom of the container. if the CS is brewed excessively

> in attempting to make it stronger more large particles are produced. i've

> made CS with ionic concentration as high as is possible to make (probably

> around 90ppm) by brewing until the solution is black, filtering, letting it

> set a day or two and re-filtering, then re-brewing until black again ...

> repeating this several times. over a few months with weekly filtering the

> particles grow & eventually are filtered or fall out and it goes back to

> crystal clear. filtering causes ions to turn to particles so the final CS

> after about a year is about 50-65ppm and probably greater than 95% ions...

> i've made it where it no longer shows a Tyndall effect at all (a laser beam

> shined through it is invisible, not red). very stable stuff for a couple

> years.

>

> for all practical purposes, simply making CS quickly at 8-13ppm results in

> a

> clear solution that is stable and works great. forcing it over about 20ppm

> is when large particles are created and silver wasted.... and argyria

> invited if used copiously over time.

>

> ions and particles both kill microbes. the ions seem so have some different

> effects within the body that are good. most of the most knowledgeable folk

> around regarding CS agree the 8-15ppm clear CS produced by LVDC generators

> is about as good as it gets.

>

> therefore, i believe the silveredge.com machines are no better than the

> more

> popular ones i mentioned which are at least $100 cheaper. their website

> says some good stuff, but where they claim some superiority is, to my eyes,

> sales BS that someone with a more scientific mind than i could readily pick

> apart.

>

> using higher voltage HVDC similar CS can be made from a converted microwave

> oven ($20 in most any thrift shop) in a couple minutes instead of hours.

> Duncan Crow describes the conversion on his website. it's quick and easy,

> but there's an element of danger in the discharging of the big capacitor to

> deal with to avoid electrocution... not a big deal, but MUST be done.

>

> > Re: Brushiing with H202

> >

> >

> > A refurbished micro-particle ionic colloidal silver water maker from

> > silveredgehealth.com is only $159.00 plus shipping. Many of my

> > friends have

> > purchased them. In my opinion, colloidal silver water is much better than

> > hydrogen peroxide because it kills so many different kinds of

> > bacteria, but

> > that's only my opinion from my research.

> >

> > And yes, Listerine and other commercial mouthwashes are very dangerous

> and

> > cancer causing. Ahh, the terrible wonders of TV advertising and the

> > pharmaceutical drug pushers. My bet is there are more pharmaceutical

> > addicts than there are good old street drug addicts...

> >

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 3:35 PM,

<jollysoul@...<jollysoul%40comcast.net>>

> wrote:

> >

> > > I'm using a mouthwash that uses " food grade " h2o2 that I get from the

> > > New Seasons store here in Portland. I can't speak for its

> > safety, but I have

> > > read that the very popular mouthwash, Listerine, is supposedly

> > causing mouth

> > > cancer due to its very heavy use of strong alcahol. (Was it

> > something like

> > > 80%?) Something about destroying the good, protective bacteria

> > with the bad.

> > >

> > > I have had an occasional " bulge " under the gum, alongside a tooth, most

> > > probably puss, but with a few minute soak with the h2o2 it

> > clears up. I was

> > > using an aural chelation a few years ago and suspect that, or

> > maybe using

> > > the drugstore 3% straight h2o2, in the past befor finding the

> > food grade, it

> > > feels as though most of my " silver " (murcury) fillings have

> > fallen out, as

> > > well as the gold crowns.

> > >

> > > As long as the rotton teeth don't hurt, I'm OK with them!

> > >

> > > It's a bitch to be poor!! Vance

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

this is a Rife list, not CS, we must remember.

a real good CS list is available via www.silverlist.org

where there are many very knowledgeable and experienced folks, including the

mfgrs of the most popular machines, available to get technical and debate

this.

it's good you're happy with your machine, and if you got it for under $200

(refurb) you probably paid about what i estimate fair trade value to be (but

for a 1st quality, not refurb).

i'm sure one of the first questions that would be asked on the silverlist

would be how you measured the ppm. there are only two meters commonly

available that give readings that +/= directly indicate true ppm of CS... do

you know what they are? do you have one of them? or do you use a cheaper

TDS meter that probably reads out numbers approx double the actual silver

ppm (IF it's calibrated correctly)... which would mean you 28-40+ ppm would

be actually more like 14-20+ ppm, which corresponds with the findings of

most CS makers/users. that machine MAY make clear CS ofthe concentration

you claim, but it just doesn't matter to the end user since weaker stuff is

just as effective.

enough of this off topic CS stuff ... i felt obligated to respond to your

praise of the silveredge.com machines for the reason fairly clearly

explained: it's overhyped, overpriced, and offered the reasons for my belief

in what you call " technical nonsense " based in what i regard as fact as much

as is available to me and from my personal experience.

i'll not be testing it since i've very happy with the colloid master i

bought for $50 used/shipped on ebay before ebay went kiss-ass to (possibly

illegal) pressure from FDA or whoever and no longer allows CS generators or

Rife machines to be sold there.

BIG MOUTH

> -----Original Message-----

>

> I've used several silver water making machines. Using the silveredge

> micro-particle machine I've made silver water at 28 - 40 ppm absolutely

> clear. And even more ppm absolutely clear. You should test it before

> opening your big mouth and spouting a lot of technical nonsense

> that has no

> basis in fact.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Very funny... Good for you.

> this is a Rife list, not CS, we must remember.

> a real good CS list is available via www.silverlist.org

> where there are many very knowledgeable and experienced folks, including

> the

> mfgrs of the most popular machines, available to get technical and debate

> this.

>

> it's good you're happy with your machine, and if you got it for under $200

> (refurb) you probably paid about what i estimate fair trade value to be

> (but

> for a 1st quality, not refurb).

>

> i'm sure one of the first questions that would be asked on the silverlist

> would be how you measured the ppm. there are only two meters commonly

> available that give readings that +/= directly indicate true ppm of CS...

> do

> you know what they are? do you have one of them? or do you use a cheaper

> TDS meter that probably reads out numbers approx double the actual silver

> ppm (IF it's calibrated correctly)... which would mean you 28-40+ ppm would

> be actually more like 14-20+ ppm, which corresponds with the findings of

> most CS makers/users. that machine MAY make clear CS ofthe concentration

> you claim, but it just doesn't matter to the end user since weaker stuff is

> just as effective.

>

> enough of this off topic CS stuff ... i felt obligated to respond to your

> praise of the silveredge.com machines for the reason fairly clearly

> explained: it's overhyped, overpriced, and offered the reasons for my

> belief

> in what you call " technical nonsense " based in what i regard as fact as

> much

> as is available to me and from my personal experience.

>

> i'll not be testing it since i've very happy with the colloid master i

> bought for $50 used/shipped on ebay before ebay went kiss-ass to (possibly

> illegal) pressure from FDA or whoever and no longer allows CS generators or

> Rife machines to be sold there.

>

> BIG MOUTH

>

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> >

> > I've used several silver water making machines. Using the silveredge

> > micro-particle machine I've made silver water at 28 - 40 ppm absolutely

> > clear. And even more ppm absolutely clear. You should test it before

> > opening your big mouth and spouting a lot of technical nonsense

> > that has no

> > basis in fact.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Very funny... Good for you.

> this is a Rife list, not CS, we must remember.

> a real good CS list is available via www.silverlist.org

> where there are many very knowledgeable and experienced folks, including

> the

> mfgrs of the most popular machines, available to get technical and debate

> this.

>

> it's good you're happy with your machine, and if you got it for under $200

> (refurb) you probably paid about what i estimate fair trade value to be

> (but

> for a 1st quality, not refurb).

>

> i'm sure one of the first questions that would be asked on the silverlist

> would be how you measured the ppm. there are only two meters commonly

> available that give readings that +/= directly indicate true ppm of CS...

> do

> you know what they are? do you have one of them? or do you use a cheaper

> TDS meter that probably reads out numbers approx double the actual silver

> ppm (IF it's calibrated correctly)... which would mean you 28-40+ ppm would

> be actually more like 14-20+ ppm, which corresponds with the findings of

> most CS makers/users. that machine MAY make clear CS ofthe concentration

> you claim, but it just doesn't matter to the end user since weaker stuff is

> just as effective.

>

> enough of this off topic CS stuff ... i felt obligated to respond to your

> praise of the silveredge.com machines for the reason fairly clearly

> explained: it's overhyped, overpriced, and offered the reasons for my

> belief

> in what you call " technical nonsense " based in what i regard as fact as

> much

> as is available to me and from my personal experience.

>

> i'll not be testing it since i've very happy with the colloid master i

> bought for $50 used/shipped on ebay before ebay went kiss-ass to (possibly

> illegal) pressure from FDA or whoever and no longer allows CS generators or

> Rife machines to be sold there.

>

> BIG MOUTH

>

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> >

> > I've used several silver water making machines. Using the silveredge

> > micro-particle machine I've made silver water at 28 - 40 ppm absolutely

> > clear. And even more ppm absolutely clear. You should test it before

> > opening your big mouth and spouting a lot of technical nonsense

> > that has no

> > basis in fact.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>