Re: Sara's Friend - Update - GERD?

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In a message dated 9/14/2004 8:20:49 AM Mountain Daylight Time, sara.thustra@... writes:

Thanks again to everyone--you've all been a lifeline. -ST

Massaging the spot immediately under the right edge of the left ribs helps to close that valve. I was taught this many many years ago by a Chiro and have used that technique ever since. It always helps me. If it is too much gas in the system lay on your stomach for a few minutes and then sit straight up and you usually can get rid of the excess gas that way. Yes, when I would lay down the reflux would get much worse. Anything acid makes it much worse.

Hope it gets better soon.

Deborah

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His story sounds like so many that have been cured by the SCD diet. :-)

He should really start researching that. I hear over and over on the lists how the diet cures his types of problems

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/testimonies/testimonies.htm

Lots of testimonies

How and why the diet works:

http://www.pecanbread.com/scdscience.html

Carol in IL doihavtasay@...Mom to 7 blessings including , 3 with DS and Grandma to Micah and Jonah.

" My problem isn't how I look, is how you see me." "Unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain." Psalm 127

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Cayenne can upset a stomach ... How much was he taking and for how long? Take a little in some juice every day.... Here is some interesting reading on ulcers... I have another one if I can lay my hands on it..

http://www.pharmacyandyou.org/healthinfo/ulcers.html

Suzi

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I had him taking between 1/4 and 1/2 teaspoon, two to three times a day.

We tried dissolving it in water or juice at first, and then

vegicaps...that's the usual dosage I've seen work for ulcers; you think

it's too much? Thanks for the article (reading it now...) -ST

Suzanne wrote:

> Cayenne can upset a stomach ... How much was he taking and for how

> long? Take a little in some juice every day.... Here is some

> interesting reading on ulcers... I have another one if I can lay my

> hands on it..

> http://www.pharmacyandyou.org/healthinfo/ulcers.html

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> Suzi

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> *What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.*

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That is so funny that you see it that way! :-)

I see it the exact opposite. The ONLY thing you CAN buy for this diet is the book. ;-)

There is NO pre-made foods allowed. There are no SCD legal lines of stuff.

There is no yogurt you can buy, I wish there was!!! :-)

I think the reason the book is pushed is that it's the only source of income for Elaine, who is 82 years old now btw and still keeps a daunting schedule in order to help people.

She sometimes gets on the list servs and spends hours answering questions and helping people with out any charge at all. Even now the moderators will ask her about something that stumps them and she ALWAYS helps.

She is one amazing woman.

The fact of the matter is you could very easily do this diet with out the book and using those two websites and a listserv. But once you get to know Elaine and the facts, you will WANT a book both to support and thank her, and also to have a better understanding of why this diet works. So for $15, you have ALL you'officialy' need to do the SCD. Other than cookbooks, that's all there IS to buy! ;-)

That is pretty cheap....

Now will need some new equipment and stuff to cook with? yes! But what you buy and from whom, is all up each person. The listservs post all kinds of cheap ways to do things. like making yogurt in your oven as opposed to buying a yogurt maker, affordable and legal starters etc.

So please... go back and re-read the web sites and you will see that other than the book to buy in order to support Elaine's continued work to promote this diet, there is nothing else. The book is ALL she sells.

This was our old list serv

http://lyris.dundee.net/read/search/results?forum=elaineschildren & words=Elaine & max=10 & orderby=HdrFrom_+DESC &

Not sure if you can still search the archives for Elaine's responses or not. We have moved over to because lyris was going to start charging and they wanted to keep it free. Elaine has not been on the list serv as she has been doing a lot of speaking at DAN conferences this year.

Carol in IL doihavtasay@...Mom to 7 blessings including , 3 with DS and Grandma to Micah and Jonah.

" My problem isn't how I look, is how you see me." "Unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain." Psalm 127

Hmm, I'm not sure what I think of that...it sounds like a good idea, except the whole "you need to buy the book...buy the book...buy the yogurt...buy the book..." thing. I find it hard to trust the altruistic intentions of people obviously out to make a profit...don't you?To clarify, I'm not saying they wouldn't have anything decent to offer for sale--Doc does!--but Doc also offers the *information* you need to improve your health for free, which is one of the reasons I tend to trust him. This site is very specific about withholding information, and even urging people not "not attempt the diet" without the book. Meh. Fishy.Thanks! -ST

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i have had bad stomch problems for years (+ 20). i was drinking sooo

much milk and when i felt the heartburn, i thought it was because of

my alcohol abuse......... (i'm sure that was part of it too......)

so i would drink some more milk, thinking i was soothing it. about a

year ago, i found out about milk, notmilk.com and stopped that same

day. i was a walking tumms eating machine!! after i

stopped, " NEVER " ever had any heartburn!! and buy, is that a relieve

(O; just a thought. moi, rik

thanks to everyone who offered advice about my friend

> with stomach problems,

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Sara Thustra wrote:

> Hey there folks -- thanks to everyone who offered advice about my friend

> with stomach problems, and all of you who were silly enough to ask me to

> keep you updated.

>

> He's not doing any worse, which is a good indication at least that he

> doesn't have gallstones or anything serious...argh...and we're starting

> to figure out that certain dietary changes help keep it from being

> nearly as bad as it was. Namely, he can't drink coffee any more--at

> all, pretty much--and he feels a bit better if he eats small amounts

> frequently, as opposed to large amounts once or twice a day like he used

> to. He still belches a lot, but not as much by far, and he gets

> heartburn at least once a day. The real problem is just that his stomch

> is always " sore " and sensitive, and usually upset after he eats or when

> he gets hungry. He was taking an acid-reducer that his mom brought him,

> but though it helped a little a few weeks ago, by now it's stopped

> working completely. Stress / anxiety also seems to make it worse almost

> immediately.

>

> Other things that I've noticed: Laying on his left side tends to help;

> right side makes it worse. Drinking plenty of water helps ward it off,

> but doesn't fix it when it flares up. And if he doesn't get any

> exercise for a day, it tends to be worse. (Thankfully, he's my toddler

> daughter's babysitter, so he usually gets plenty!)

>

> Based on the above, do you all agree with me that it sounds like he

> probably has acid-reflux disease (GERD)? (I am still looking for a free

> clinic to take him to, but no luck so far, so of course we're going to

> keep trying whatever we can to help his pain in the meantime.) And if

> you do agree, of course, suggestions would be *wonderful*, specifically

> for foods and teas (but especially foods) that would help him. I have

> tons of research on GERD that I used to help another friend a long time

> ago, but he had the money for things like hawthorne berries, and also

> medication from a doctor, and on my advice he got a dietician

> too...don't know if I'll have any of that to help us this time, though

> wow, I would give my right arm for a dietician, heh.

>

> Mostly, I need to know about food, because we can't figure out what does

> and doesn't aggravate his stomach. Granted, he doesn't eat great, but

> he hardly touches junk food (and never alcohol and now, no coffee

> either), so it's a challenge figuring out what he can eat that will keep

> him from being in pain. I do things like give him fresh fruit and it

> ends up doubling him over, but then he'll eat chicken & potatoes and

> feel better...I don't know; I'm rather lost there.

>

> Thanks again to everyone--you've all been a lifeline. -ST

>

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Hi Sara,

Quite interesting symptoms for sure. I don't know but this sounds a lot

like a friend I have here in Slovenia. This man cannot eat anything but

chicken. I don't know what else he eats but chicken is the main food he

eats. He says that most anything else he eats just tears him up. His

problem? H. pylori overgrowth along with systemic Candida. He absolutely

refuses to do anything that will upset this fragile truce he has with

the H. pylori and candida. As long as he keeps eating chicken he is all

right.

Just found this interesting. Have you tried any slippery elm gruel for

him? Wheat grass juice?

I know you will find a solution soon.

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Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "