Re: Follow up regarding raw milk - not for our kids, though

[Guest guest]

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Do you mind sharing which group you consulted? I know there is a group of ASD

families that do use a lot of Price/Pottinger elements to their diets and they

all do have their kids on raw butter, cream and sometimes milk or cheese. I

know the proteins in dairy become much harder to digest when they are heated, so

it makes sense to me. My son doesn't like dairy so it isn't really an issue for

us.

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<thecolemans4@...> wrote:

Hi all -

I wanted to follow up on comments I've made re the

issues like raw milk, soaked grains, etc. Someone

asked how safe raw milk would be for our Dairy-free

kids, etc.

I have wondered when reading about the all these if

utilizing these methods could reduce the reactions of

my kids, etc... like " Could my kids tolerate dairy if

it was raw w/it's enzymes, etc? " I finally found a

group that folows the Weston Price principles (that's

where all this originates - a dentist who used to

study the eating habits of extremely healthy isolated

populations and the effect on their teeth, body

shapes, etc - very interesting stuff) and who is also

GFCF. My book recognizes that many can't tolerate

gluten and dairy anyway and has alternatives anyway.

My question to them was if they have seen their kids

be able to tolerate these products with the changes to

preparation and sources. The answer is simply NO.

The sensitivity is already there, so no preparation

method or better quality is going to change that for

our kids. I admit I had hoped this was possible, but

realized logically this wasn't going to be an option.

But I do think that the info I've mentioned is just as

important of a consideration towards the health

problems we and our kids face. When we want to find

blame in a toxin or vaccine or something, I can't help

but think that there is a much larger and more ominous

problem involved than that.

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[Guest guest]

Dairy is a big no-no for the protocol. I guess most of the kids

turn out to be allergic to it. If I recall correctly, there was a study

a while back, that cows milk was implicated in kicking off the immune

response that results in juvenile diabetes, which is actually an

autoimmune condition that attacks the body's own pancreatic cells.

Sandy

Rob or Sunseri wrote:

> ,

>

> Do you mind sharing which group you consulted? I know there is a

> group of ASD families that do use a lot of Price/Pottinger elements to

> their diets and they all do have their kids on raw butter, cream and

> sometimes milk or cheese. I know the proteins in dairy become much

> harder to digest when they are heated, so it makes sense to me. My

> son doesn't like dairy so it isn't really an issue for us.

>

> -

>

> <thecolemans4@...> wrote:

> Hi all -

>

> I wanted to follow up on comments I've made re the

> issues like raw milk, soaked grains, etc. Someone

> asked how safe raw milk would be for our Dairy-free

> kids, etc.

>

> I have wondered when reading about the all these if

> utilizing these methods could reduce the reactions of

> my kids, etc... like " Could my kids tolerate dairy if

> it was raw w/it's enzymes, etc? " I finally found a

> group that folows the Weston Price principles (that's

> where all this originates - a dentist who used to

> study the eating habits of extremely healthy isolated

> populations and the effect on their teeth, body

> shapes, etc - very interesting stuff) and who is also

> GFCF. My book recognizes that many can't tolerate

> gluten and dairy anyway and has alternatives anyway.

>

> My question to them was if they have seen their kids

> be able to tolerate these products with the changes to

> preparation and sources. The answer is simply NO.

> The sensitivity is already there, so no preparation

> method or better quality is going to change that for

> our kids. I admit I had hoped this was possible, but

> realized logically this wasn't going to be an option.

>

>

> But I do think that the info I've mentioned is just as

> important of a consideration towards the health

> problems we and our kids face. When we want to find

> blame in a toxin or vaccine or something, I can't help

> but think that there is a much larger and more ominous

> problem involved than that.

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Many people (ASD or not) cannot tolerate dairy in any form, raw or pasturized.

As a civilization, we are all losing out ability to digest food -- pretty scary.

I belong to a co-op where I can get raw dairy, and I do fine on the raw butter,

but still do not feel well on the raw cream or milk (even though it is

delicious!)

That being said, the more I read about dairy is that everything we have come

to believe about dairy being bad is about pasturized dairy (including the

diabetes connection).

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SandyD <sandy@...> wrote:

Dairy is a big no-no for the protocol. I guess most of the kids

turn out to be allergic to it. If I recall correctly, there was a study

a while back, that cows milk was implicated in kicking off the immune

response that results in juvenile diabetes, which is actually an

autoimmune condition that attacks the body's own pancreatic cells.

Sandy

Rob or Sunseri wrote:

> ,

>

> Do you mind sharing which group you consulted? I know there is a

> group of ASD families that do use a lot of Price/Pottinger elements to

> their diets and they all do have their kids on raw butter, cream and

> sometimes milk or cheese. I know the proteins in dairy become much

> harder to digest when they are heated, so it makes sense to me. My

> son doesn't like dairy so it isn't really an issue for us.

>

> -

>

> <thecolemans4@...> wrote:

> Hi all -

>

> I wanted to follow up on comments I've made re the

> issues like raw milk, soaked grains, etc. Someone

> asked how safe raw milk would be for our Dairy-free

> kids, etc.

>

> I have wondered when reading about the all these if

> utilizing these methods could reduce the reactions of

> my kids, etc... like " Could my kids tolerate dairy if

> it was raw w/it's enzymes, etc? " I finally found a

> group that folows the Weston Price principles (that's

> where all this originates - a dentist who used to

> study the eating habits of extremely healthy isolated

> populations and the effect on their teeth, body

> shapes, etc - very interesting stuff) and who is also

> GFCF. My book recognizes that many can't tolerate

> gluten and dairy anyway and has alternatives anyway.

>

> My question to them was if they have seen their kids

> be able to tolerate these products with the changes to

> preparation and sources. The answer is simply NO.

> The sensitivity is already there, so no preparation

> method or better quality is going to change that for

> our kids. I admit I had hoped this was possible, but

> realized logically this wasn't going to be an option.

>

>

> But I do think that the info I've mentioned is just as

> important of a consideration towards the health

> problems we and our kids face. When we want to find

> blame in a toxin or vaccine or something, I can't help

> but think that there is a much larger and more ominous

> problem involved than that.

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I agree! But once we're sensitive to it, it's

affected even by raw milk - at least according to a

few people in a group following GFCF according to

Weston Price standards...

--- Rob or Sunseri <RobRose@...>

wrote:

> Many people (ASD or not) cannot tolerate dairy in

> any form, raw or pasturized. As a civilization, we

> are all losing out ability to digest food -- pretty

> scary. I belong to a co-op where I can get raw

> dairy, and I do fine on the raw butter, but still do

> not feel well on the raw cream or milk (even though

> it is delicious!)

>

> That being said, the more I read about dairy is

> that everything we have come to believe about dairy

> being bad is about pasturized dairy (including the

> diabetes connection).

>

> -

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[Guest guest]

Yes, there are tons of abstracts on milk proteins -

can find them at the groups database, doing

a search on " milk " .

--- SandyD <sandy@...> wrote:

> Dairy is a big no-no for the protocol. I guess

> most of the kids

> turn out to be allergic to it. If I recall

> correctly, there was a study

> a while back, that cows milk was implicated in

> kicking off the immune

> response that results in juvenile diabetes, which is

> actually an

> autoimmune condition that attacks the body's own

> pancreatic cells.

>

> Sandy

>

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