Re: regressions/Joni

[Guest guest]

Interesting, did you ever learn specifically what element of the suppressed

immune system was causing the fears?

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Jandjatindy@... wrote:

, When I read that your child has fears, I just had to jump in to tell

you that until my daughter got on the nids program, she also had fears. In fact

the first time we went to see Dr. G 3 yrs ago, we DROVE from Indianapolis to

LA because after 911 she would not fly. She was also horrified of dogs after

being nipped by one. Last summer we flew with no fear, and she now has a 85

pound dog that she trained with us....all fears are gone!! In fact the picture

of

her holding her dog is on the board in Dr. G's office. Thank God we found

him.

Joni

[Guest guest]

Hi -

You could go to groups and choose database,

and then go into the various folders, do a search for

'anxiety' (because you'll get more and fear, anxiety,

panic, and OCD likely come from a similar part of the

brain. There are a lot of immunological findings

(more than you may be able to scan thru!) on the

topic. I think a lot are studying cytokines and their

relation to these disorders. Others show some types

of antibodies interacting w/the brain, like the basal

ganglia (a major finding in OCD and I think anxiety),

etc.

When you're learning about cytokines, remember various

parts of the immune system express cytokines, so it's

not particularly an immune deficiency involved, but

more likely an overabundance of the pro-inflammatory

cytokines (although maybe a deficiency of

down-regulating cytokines etc blah blah blah!lol).

Like, eosiniphils express some types of cytokines

(hence the response to diet), infections, white blood

cells, etc etc etc.

They already know chronic stress can " cause illness "

(it works both ways), but I guarantee you that one day

chronic generalized anxiety disorder will be found to

have an immunological cause and is not just a

psychosomatic illness. I have experienced this myself

quite a few times over.

In my experience, when I am having an exacerbation of

PANDAS, my fear levels can really rise. I'm afraid

for the boys to play outside 'cause they're gonna get

West Nile Virus (I know it's unreasonable so no, I

don't keep them inside), I'm afraid of certain roads

because we're going to have a head on collision, I'm

afraid mean thoughts are going to bring on bad karma,

etc etc etc. I go on antibiotics, often the illogical

fear and anxiety bleed away within 3 days. Let me tell

you it is wild! Especially since I've experienced

being " normal " , then suddenly get slammed with all

these crazy mental problems. Anxiety is paramount,

too. And I am often running a low-grade temp like

99.5 to 100.0 when this is at it's peak. I've even

found some probiotics will trigger anxiety (one reason

why Dr G recommends limited strains-there's actually

documention on some types of lactobacillus worsening

PANDAS).

Find some of those abstracts, but it will set your

brain on overload!

HTH- but don't get a headache,

--- Rob or Sunseri <RobRose@...>

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> Interesting, did you ever learn specifically what

> element of the suppressed immune system was causing

> the fears?

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