Re: Re: SCD - Started last Saturday - child not eating

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I'm not giving up on diet, I'm just going about it differently.  I'm making changes that need to be made and I'm incorporating more ABA.  We're basically doing the same thing you did.  I just don't see any reason to torture my child any longer.  His diet may not have been great before but he was much healthier and to take a huge step backward just wasn't making any sense so I'm doing it through lots and lots of behavioral interventions.  Luckily my son isn't addicted to gluten and all his other IgG intolerances.  He'll accept any replacement that's tasty enough and looks like it's supposed to look so we don't have any problems there.  I'd rather have a happy, healthy and progressing son than not so starving him out is not the best choice for us.He's slowly getting back to his old self.CherylI don't think it's time to say that diet will or won't work for a child. Even a child who wouldn't eat for 5 days etc.....Maybe another thing to consider is a different approach. For the record my son "starved" himself 14 days. I had to syringe liquids into him. I understand how serious this gets. I DO NOT agree that they will eat when hungry. These aren't healthy kids and we can't use the old methods our parents and grandparents used. I regret following in the beginning the advice of my pediatrician while my son starved himself. What I learned in doing intensive dietary intervention with my son is that every child is different and we must approach this in a sensible manner. While I was aggressive and I felt this necessary for us to heal him, I did break it down. I slowly worked to teach him that Mommy is in charge. We listen to mommy. First______ then desired food. In the beginning it was bite of carrot for gfcf cookie bar. Eventually it was eat a bowl of steamed carrots and get 1/8 bite of gfcf cookie bar. Then it was eat all your vegetables for Mommy's homemade millet cookie bar sweetened with Lakanto (body ecology). I wouldn't take all the bad out. I would work on simple goals first. For week one, maybe we work on getting a new food in that will nourish the body. We use the desired food to get ONE TINY bite. Celebrate and reward with the desired food. Gradually having the child do more for the "bad desired food." When you have more nourishing foods in a child you have more to work with. For a kid like mine who ate gluten and casein only, I had to start somewhere. So I let him have a cracker, but I switched over to gfcf versions. Though these new gfcf versions aren't going to heal a child, it was a start. Next use this healthier version of a cracker to get the kid eating celery. Step by step you take the bad out and the good in. Just today 2 years into this, I made vegetable soup, yellow squash pudding sweetened with Lakanto, and cultured vegetables. I had about 10 tiny gfcfsf pretzels on the table. As he took bites of lunch he got a bite of pretzel. In the beginning it was 45 minutes of screaming strapped into a chair to get that first bite. AS soon as he realized he would be rewarded and had a system he could trust the struggle lessened. All the while good foods are healing the body and changing the cravings/ph. Today he asks "may I be excused." "Is this good for my body?" We've come a long way. Now he is mainstreamed in a Montessori homeschool and sits amongst 12 peers eating gold fish crackers etc.....He drinks his green drink first and then eats Mommy's homemade seed crackers. Don't give up on diet. It is the foundation and biomedical approaches will be more effective with this in place. Best to you all. You can do it!> > > Hi everyone,> >> > Just to refresh your memory I decided to put my son on the SCD diet,> > well it is almost a week so I thought I would update you all and> > tweak your brains a little.> >> > Remember my DS eats no fruits, no veggies, no meats, was only CARBS> > waffles pancakes toast pizza mac cheese chicken nuggets etc etc.> >> > My husband and girls left Friday for the long weekend. When my son> > who is almost 6 1/2 went to sleep I cleared the house of all> > temptations.> > When he woke Saturday Morning I made him a banana pancake he wouldn't> > eat it, he did drink the legal juice with his supplements. By 3:30> > he did eat the pancakes I made some new ones. Also he had some> > homemade applesauce. Would not try the chicken soup. I then made a> > recipe for cinnamon pancakes, I tried it without the cashews stupid> > me ofcourse it had no flour source so I did add nuts. Well these> > were so delicious but not really legal for early stages he loved them> > ate them on Sunday. He would not eat the chicken pancakes or little> > burgers. Well when the cinnamon mixture was gone I didn't make> > anymore, I want him to eat meat and veggies not sweet pancakes.> >> > Since Monday my son has eaten NOTHING, I mean NOTHING he did suck the> > salt off of some cashews. He also found some raisins, which he hasn't> > eaten in years, in the cupboard. I have since removed them. He has> > been drinking diluted juice, perhaps too much, but this is a kid who> > prior to diet was probably consuming 2000 calories a day.> >> > I sent him to school today(1/2 day kindergarten) because we had a> > school delay so he will only be gone 2 1/2 hours, other than that he> > has not stepped one foot out of this house since Friday. Amazing> > thing is that his tantrums/outbursts/whining are not that bad perhaps> > a few throughout the day. I also have been letting him do pretty> > much what he wants as far computer tv etc. I will start to limit> > these in the near future, wasn't sure how miserable he would be so I> > am taking baby steps. Also he is sleeping great, has taken a few> > naps which is not typical.> >> > I expect that he will really freak out when he gets home from school> > at 1:00 and wants to go to Burger King and I don't comply. Like I> > would go through all this mental exhaustion pre-diet and during this> > past week to cave now, no way.> >> > I think someone mentioned that the biggest part of this diet is the> > ELIMINATION of bad foods, sure I want him to eat good foods but at> > least he is not eating any bad foods.> >> > In summary my son ate a bit the first few days now is eating nothing> > and seems relatively content????? I know this isn't the goal STARVE> > THE CHILD but I'm offering he isn't accepting.> >> > Almost forgot did try juicing pear,apple spinach he drank a little,> > haven't perfected that yet.> >> > Anyone have suggestions or similar experiences to share would be> > greatly appreciated when do I really panic about thenot eating?> >> > thank you thank you> > lisa> >> >> >>

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God bless you, you are strong. I would have definitely caved and fed my kid something illegal by now. Hang in there. Have you tried literally sitting on him and making him eat? (I'm sure someone on this board will bash me for saying that.) Put a bite in his mouth and do not let him spit it out. Sounds awful but maybe just a few bites of food would encourage him to keep going.

Good luck.

Re: SCD - Started last Saturday - child not eating

Hi everyone,My son has still not eaten a morsel of food. The ironic thing is that his skin is nice and smooth, although this hasn't been much of a problem, his mood is for the most part as good or better than before we started the diet, also he seems to be playing with toys a bit more and whats most exciting to me is this morning he made the thumbs up sign with his thumb. For quite some time when he asks for something I often will give him the thumbs up sign for yes, forces him to look at me for response instead of me just getting it or saying yes. Well he imitates me but always says "thumbs up" and puts up his index finger, I have tried to help him use his thumb but he just couldn't do it. Well this morning he asked for juice and I did thumbs up he put up his index finger then put in down with his other and turned his little hand sideways and gave me a bit thumbs up. I have no idea if this is food related but I suspect that it has something to do with it.Now my interpretation of this is that GOD is answering my prayers to keep going and not worry so much that he isn't eating.Remember everyone, mine is the boy who eats nothing except CARBS no fruits no meats no veggies I can not go back wards and give in and let him eat junk which is basically nutritionally starving him anyway. If I have to feed him through IV or go to a feeding clinic I will do whatever. I am not going backwards.I do think that he has been getting way too much juice albeit SCD legal, juice is juice. My husband thought that I had watered down the white grape juice that was in the refrig but I hadn't so he is getting too much juice. Maybe when we pull the juice he will eat. Time will tell. Just wanted to update.Any thoughts advise always appreciated. > > > >> > > > Hi everyone,> > > > > > > > Just to refresh your memory I decided to put my son on the SCD > > > diet, > > > > well it is almost a week so I thought I would update you all > and > > > > tweak your brains a little.> > > > > > > > Remember my DS eats no fruits, no veggies, no meats, was only > > CARBS > > > > waffles pancakes toast pizza mac cheese chicken nuggets etc etc.> > > > > > > > My husband and girls left Friday for the long weekend. When my > > son > > > > who is almost 6 1/2 went to sleep I cleared the house of all > > > > temptations.> > > > When he woke Saturday Morning I made him a banana pancake he > > > wouldn't > > > > eat it, he did drink the legal juice with his supplements. By > > 3:30 > > > > he did eat the pancakes I made some new ones. Also he had some > > > > homemade applesauce. Would not try the chicken soup. I then > > made > > > a > > > > recipe for cinnamon pancakes, I tried it without the cashews > > stupid > > > > me ofcourse it had no flour source so I did add nuts. Well > these > > > > were so delicious but not really legal for early stages he > loved > > > them > > > > ate them on Sunday. He would not eat the chicken pancakes or > > > little > > > > burgers. Well when the cinnamon mixture was gone I didn't make > > > > anymore, I want him to eat meat and veggies not sweet pancakes.> > > > > > > > Since Monday my son has eaten NOTHING, I mean NOTHING he did > suck > > > the > > > > salt off of some cashews. He also found some raisins, which he > > > hasn't > > > > eaten in years, in the cupboard. I have since removed them. He > > has > > > > been drinking diluted juice, perhaps too much, but this is a > kid > > > who > > > > prior to diet was probably consuming 2000 calories a day. > > > > > > > > I sent him to school today(1/2 day kindergarten) because we had > a > > > > school delay so he will only be gone 2 1/2 hours, other than > that > > > he > > > > has not stepped one foot out of this house since Friday. > Amazing > > > > thing is that his tantrums/outbursts/whining are not that bad > > > perhaps > > > > a few throughout the day. I also have been letting him do > pretty > > > > much what he wants as far computer tv etc. I will start to > limit > > > > these in the near future, wasn't sure how miserable he would be > > so > > > I > > > > am taking baby steps. Also he is sleeping great, has taken a > few > > > > naps which is not typical. > > > > > > > > I expect that he will really freak out when he gets home from > > > school > > > > at 1:00 and wants to go to Burger King and I don't comply. > Like > > I > > > > would go through all this mental exhaustion pre-diet and during > > > this > > > > past week to cave now, no way. > > > > > > > > I think someone mentioned that the biggest part of this diet is > > the > > > > ELIMINATION of bad foods, sure I want him to eat good foods but > > at > > > > least he is not eating any bad foods. > > > > > > > > In summary my son ate a bit the first few days now is eating > > > nothing > > > > and seems relatively content????? I know this isn't the goal > > STARVE > > > > THE CHILD but I'm offering he isn't accepting. > > > > > > > > Almost forgot did try juicing pear,apple spinach he drank a > > little, > > > > haven't perfected that yet.> > > > > > > > Anyone have suggestions or similar experiences to share would > be > > > > greatly appreciated when do I really panic about thenot > eating? > > > > > > > > thank you thank you> > > > lisa> > > >> > >> >>

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Glad to hear you are hanging in there. Can you dilute his juice with a

broth made from boiled vegetables and fruit?

This could get more nutrients into him. He will cave soon I am sure.

Maybe he is enjoying the break his gut is getting

from not having to digest foods.

lasbirdie wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> My son has still not eaten a morsel of food. The ironic thing is

> that his skin is nice and smooth, although this hasn't been much of a

> problem, his mood is for the most part as good or better than before

> we started the diet, also he seems to be playing with toys a bit more

> and whats most exciting to me is this morning he made the thumbs up

> sign with his thumb.

>

> For quite some time when he asks for something I often will give him

> the thumbs up sign for yes, forces him to look at me for response

> instead of me just getting it or saying yes. Well he imitates me but

> always says " thumbs up " and puts up his index finger, I have tried to

> help him use his thumb but he just couldn't do it. Well this morning

> he asked for juice and I did thumbs up he put up his index finger

> then put in down with his other and turned his little hand sideways

> and gave me a bit thumbs up. I have no idea if this is food related

> but I suspect that it has something to do with it.

>

> Now my interpretation of this is that GOD is answering my prayers to

> keep going and not worry so much that he isn't eating.

>

> Remember everyone, mine is the boy who eats nothing except CARBS no

> fruits no meats no veggies I can not go back wards and give in and

> let him eat junk which is basically nutritionally starving him

> anyway. If I have to feed him through IV or go to a feeding clinic I

> will do whatever. I am not going backwards.

>

> I do think that he has been getting way too much juice albeit SCD

> legal, juice is juice. My husband thought that I had watered down

> the white grape juice that was in the refrig but I hadn't so he is

> getting too much juice. Maybe when we pull the juice he will eat.

> Time will tell.

>

> Just wanted to update.

>

> Any thoughts advise always appreciated.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>>>> Hi everyone,

>>>>>

>>>>> Just to refresh your memory I decided to put my son on the

>>>>>

> SCD

>

>>>> diet,

>>>>

>>>>> well it is almost a week so I thought I would update you all

>>>>>

>> and

>>

>>>>> tweak your brains a little.

>>>>>

>>>>> Remember my DS eats no fruits, no veggies, no meats, was only

>>>>>

>>> CARBS

>>>

>>>>> waffles pancakes toast pizza mac cheese chicken nuggets etc

>>>>>

> etc.

>

>>>>> My husband and girls left Friday for the long weekend. When

>>>>>

> my

>

>>> son

>>>

>>>>> who is almost 6 1/2 went to sleep I cleared the house of all

>>>>> temptations.

>>>>> When he woke Saturday Morning I made him a banana pancake he

>>>>>

>>>> wouldn't

>>>>

>>>>> eat it, he did drink the legal juice with his supplements.

>>>>>

> By

>

>>> 3:30

>>>

>>>>> he did eat the pancakes I made some new ones. Also he had

>>>>>

> some

>

>>>>> homemade applesauce. Would not try the chicken soup. I then

>>>>>

>>> made

>>>

>>>> a

>>>>

>>>>> recipe for cinnamon pancakes, I tried it without the cashews

>>>>>

>>> stupid

>>>

>>>>> me ofcourse it had no flour source so I did add nuts. Well

>>>>>

>> these

>>

>>>>> were so delicious but not really legal for early stages he

>>>>>

>> loved

>>

>>>> them

>>>>

>>>>> ate them on Sunday. He would not eat the chicken pancakes or

>>>>>

>>>> little

>>>>

>>>>> burgers. Well when the cinnamon mixture was gone I didn't

>>>>>

> make

>

>>>>> anymore, I want him to eat meat and veggies not sweet

>>>>>

> pancakes.

>

>>>>> Since Monday my son has eaten NOTHING, I mean NOTHING he did

>>>>>

>> suck

>>

>>>> the

>>>>

>>>>> salt off of some cashews. He also found some raisins, which

>>>>>

> he

>

>>>> hasn't

>>>>

>>>>> eaten in years, in the cupboard. I have since removed them.

>>>>>

> He

>

>>> has

>>>

>>>>> been drinking diluted juice, perhaps too much, but this is a

>>>>>

>> kid

>>

>>>> who

>>>>

>>>>> prior to diet was probably consuming 2000 calories a day.

>>>>>

>>>>> I sent him to school today(1/2 day kindergarten) because we

>>>>>

> had

>

>> a

>>

>>>>> school delay so he will only be gone 2 1/2 hours, other than

>>>>>

>> that

>>

>>>> he

>>>>

>>>>> has not stepped one foot out of this house since Friday.

>>>>>

>> Amazing

>>

>>>>> thing is that his tantrums/outbursts/whining are not that bad

>>>>>

>>>> perhaps

>>>>

>>>>> a few throughout the day. I also have been letting him do

>>>>>

>> pretty

>>

>>>>> much what he wants as far computer tv etc. I will start to

>>>>>

>> limit

>>

>>>>> these in the near future, wasn't sure how miserable he would

>>>>>

> be

>

>>> so

>>>

>>>> I

>>>>

>>>>> am taking baby steps. Also he is sleeping great, has taken a

>>>>>

>> few

>>

>>>>> naps which is not typical.

>>>>>

>>>>> I expect that he will really freak out when he gets home from

>>>>>

>>>> school

>>>>

>>>>> at 1:00 and wants to go to Burger King and I don't comply.

>>>>>

>> Like

>>

>>> I

>>>

>>>>> would go through all this mental exhaustion pre-diet and

>>>>>

> during

>

>>>> this

>>>>

>>>>> past week to cave now, no way.

>>>>>

>>>>> I think someone mentioned that the biggest part of this diet

>>>>>

> is

>

>>> the

>>>

>>>>> ELIMINATION of bad foods, sure I want him to eat good foods

>>>>>

> but

>

>>> at

>>>

>>>>> least he is not eating any bad foods.

>>>>>

>>>>> In summary my son ate a bit the first few days now is eating

>>>>>

>>>> nothing

>>>>

>>>>> and seems relatively content????? I know this isn't the goal

>>>>>

>>> STARVE

>>>

>>>>> THE CHILD but I'm offering he isn't accepting.

>>>>>

>>>>> Almost forgot did try juicing pear,apple spinach he drank a

>>>>>

>>> little,

>>>

>>>>> haven't perfected that yet.

>>>>>

>>>>> Anyone have suggestions or similar experiences to share would

>>>>>

>> be

>>

>>>>> greatly appreciated when do I really panic about thenot

>>>>>

>> eating?

>>

>>>>> thank you thank you

>>>>> lisa

>>>>>

>>>>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Stevia and lakanto are not scd legal. Diluted grape juice is

recommended. Pineapple juice and blueberry are more advanced juices.

Diluting the juice with a homemade vegetable broth will get more

nutrients. However, most of these kids eventually give in. We had a

party to introduce the foods. I made a bunch of chicken and put it on

toothpicks and called them party sticks. We had little friends over and

they ate them right up. My boys followed right along. We also made

popsicles from the applesauce and pearsauce and sometimes a pureed

vegetable hidden in it. They LOVED these.

Another time we set up a picnic infront of the TV. That was fun too. Do

what you can but stick to what you feel is right. If you are not

uncomfortable with his not eating, then he is probably fine.

Let your instincts guide you.

tylertaylin wrote:

> if his eyes look good, skin looks good, urinating, hydrated, he

> will be ok.

>

> I wouldn't try to put food in his mouth, it won't work. This isn't

> about tricking or forcing. It's about Mommy loves you and Mommy

> knows best. When you make the right choice you will be rewarded and

> Mommy will be here to slowly guide you through the process with no

> tricks YET high expectations.

>

> Juice issue, He will hold out even longer if he is getting his

> fix. Organic lemon juice (can be bought in glass jars) mixed with

> filtered water and stevia or lakanto. Or get organic whole

> cranberry and sweeten with stevia/lakanto. Make sure it doesn't

> have apple or grape in it.

>

> Blueberry or Pineapple would be better than grape, but I'd still

> water them down too. When you can ferment this will enable you to

> have a juice with a fermented bev to " cancel " out the sugars and add

> beneficial bacteria.

>

> One issue at a time. You know you could even keep the juice if it

> were creating a new good habit. First take a bite of vegetable or

> new food, then juice.

>

> I kept rice in and other foods until I had him eating better foods.

> I had him work for the desired food. Once he understood the pattern

> and had more foods in his routine I then started to take the bad

> away.

>

> My kid got down to bread and cheese. Now he eats so well. I can

> send him to school with green drink, cultured vegetables, ocean

> vegetables etc....he will work for a homemade piece of millet flat

> bread etc...

>

> Best to you. You have the strength, you can do this!!

>

>

>

>

>

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Hi everyone,

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Just to refresh your memory I decided to put my son on

>>

> the

>

>> SCD

>> > > > diet,

>> > > > > well it is almost a week so I thought I would update you

>>

> all

>

>> > and

>> > > > > tweak your brains a little.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Remember my DS eats no fruits, no veggies, no meats, was

>>

> only

>

>> > > CARBS

>> > > > > waffles pancakes toast pizza mac cheese chicken nuggets

>>

> etc

>

>> etc.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > My husband and girls left Friday for the long weekend.

>>

> When

>

>> my

>> > > son

>> > > > > who is almost 6 1/2 went to sleep I cleared the house of

>>

> all

>

>> > > > > temptations.

>> > > > > When he woke Saturday Morning I made him a banana pancake

>>

> he

>

>> > > > wouldn't

>> > > > > eat it, he did drink the legal juice with his

>>

> supplements.

>

>> By

>> > > 3:30

>> > > > > he did eat the pancakes I made some new ones. Also he had

>> some

>> > > > > homemade applesauce. Would not try the chicken soup. I

>>

> then

>

>> > > made

>> > > > a

>> > > > > recipe for cinnamon pancakes, I tried it without the

>>

> cashews

>

>> > > stupid

>> > > > > me ofcourse it had no flour source so I did add nuts.

>>

> Well

>

>> > these

>> > > > > were so delicious but not really legal for early stages

>>

> he

>

>> > loved

>> > > > them

>> > > > > ate them on Sunday. He would not eat the chicken pancakes

>>

> or

>

>> > > > little

>> > > > > burgers. Well when the cinnamon mixture was gone I didn't

>> make

>> > > > > anymore, I want him to eat meat and veggies not sweet

>> pancakes.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Since Monday my son has eaten NOTHING, I mean NOTHING he

>>

> did

>

>> > suck

>> > > > the

>> > > > > salt off of some cashews. He also found some raisins,

>>

> which

>

>> he

>> > > > hasn't

>> > > > > eaten in years, in the cupboard. I have since removed

>>

> them.

>

>> He

>> > > has

>> > > > > been drinking diluted juice, perhaps too much, but this

>>

> is a

>

>> > kid

>> > > > who

>> > > > > prior to diet was probably consuming 2000 calories a day.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > I sent him to school today(1/2 day kindergarten) because

>>

> we

>

>> had

>> > a

>> > > > > school delay so he will only be gone 2 1/2 hours, other

>>

> than

>

>> > that

>> > > > he

>> > > > > has not stepped one foot out of this house since Friday.

>> > Amazing

>> > > > > thing is that his tantrums/outbursts/whining are not that

>>

> bad

>

>> > > > perhaps

>> > > > > a few throughout the day. I also have been letting him do

>> > pretty

>> > > > > much what he wants as far computer tv etc. I will start

>>

> to

>

>> > limit

>> > > > > these in the near future, wasn't sure how miserable he

>>

> would

>

>> be

>> > > so

>> > > > I

>> > > > > am taking baby steps. Also he is sleeping great, has

>>

> taken a

>

>> > few

>> > > > > naps which is not typical.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > I expect that he will really freak out when he gets home

>>

> from

>

>> > > > school

>> > > > > at 1:00 and wants to go to Burger King and I don't

>>

> comply.

>

>> > Like

>> > > I

>> > > > > would go through all this mental exhaustion pre-diet and

>> during

>> > > > this

>> > > > > past week to cave now, no way.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > I think someone mentioned that the biggest part of this

>>

> diet

>

>> is

>> > > the

>> > > > > ELIMINATION of bad foods, sure I want him to eat good

>>

> foods

>

>> but

>> > > at

>> > > > > least he is not eating any bad foods.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > In summary my son ate a bit the first few days now is

>>

> eating

>

>> > > > nothing

>> > > > > and seems relatively content????? I know this isn't the

>>

> goal

>

>> > > STARVE

>> > > > > THE CHILD but I'm offering he isn't accepting.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Almost forgot did try juicing pear,apple spinach he drank

>>

> a

>

>> > > little,

>> > > > > haven't perfected that yet.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Anyone have suggestions or similar experiences to share

>>

> would

>

>> > be

>> > > > > greatly appreciated when do I really panic about thenot

>> > eating?

>> > > > >

>> > > > > thank you thank you

>> > > > > lisa

>> > > > >

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>