Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 don't buy from walmar though as there;s has antimony or arsenic AND mercury Recovering from Autism is a marathon NOT a sprint, but FULLY possible! Read more about it on my Blogs athttp://www.myspace.com/christelking Re: Re:epson salt baths This might be a dumb question but where can I get the epson salt? I would like to try that on my son who is 12. Maybe he can benifit from it? He is very high functioning. Thanks for any response (:wendy campbell <wendydoula4u> wrote: This was a previous post from one of my groups, could have been this one I am not sure but it addresses the question:1. How much epsom salt would you use?Generally, I suggest working up to about a cup and a half in a fulltub of water. I don't think there is added benefit of going higherthan that, and it gets expensive! There are some children who are sosensitive to epsom salts (probably because of depletion of eithermagnesium or sulfate) that they have reactions to even as little as ateaspoon in a full tub of water. That's rare, but you really don'tknow if YOUR child will be THAT child until you try it. For thatreason, I always urge parents to start "low and slow", and thenincrement up to the full dose as fast as it seems warranted. I'll putbelow a compilation of things I'd written on internet lists aboutepsom salts that was assembled and reorganized years ago by Wetherby and reflects a lot of the work I did in my first years ofautism research. I hope it will answer a lot of questions, but pleasehonor the copyright!2. Will the epsom salt creams serve the same purpose?We don't know exactly, because it is hard to calculate how muchsolution actually gets absorbed, especially since no scientist has yetdetermined if there are transporters in the skin for sulfate inland-loving creatures like us. If there are, then there might beregulation and differences in rates of absorption based uponconditions in the body.Years ago, I pioneered in autism circles the concept of applying epsomsalts directly to the skin because of that old "necessity is themother of invention" thing. At that point, most people were thinkingthat epsom salts drew the bad stuff into the tub and that was how itdetoxified, so it didn't make much sense to just apply something tothe skin. Because of my work in graduate school in biology, I wasconvinced the benefit accrued from the sulfate ad magnesium beingtaken up into the body. My father had dementia, and I wanted to see ifepsom salts would help the issues he had in common with autism. He hadbroken his hip and couldn't get in the tub. I learned by experimentingwith it that if I made a solution of one part epsom salts to fourparts water and then had his aide apply that to his skin, he wouldbecome a completely changed man for about a day. He went from beingornery and belligerent an uncooperative to sweet and charming andadaptable, and you can BET his aides liked THAT transformation.Sometime after that (probably years later, I think)Kirkman startedoffering epsom salts creams because some of those using the solutionwith children with autism complained that it made their skin feelitchy. In fact, it might have been a mom that first tried to make acream version and that might have been the inspiration for the Kirkmanproduct.Jim asked me years ago to figure out whether my do-it-yourselfsolution or Kirkman's cream delivered more "stuff". I measured howmuch solution actually disappeared from a pre-wetted sponge used toapply the solution and I knew how much epsom salts was in eachtablespoon. I don't remember the numbers, but I did have theimpression that if the rate of absorption was the same via the creamor the water solution, that the solution as I had been making it wasquite a bit stronger. especially because I would apply it all over thebody.We don't know how much epsom salts is absorbed from the bath, thoughwe are talking about exposing much more surface than is typical withthe cream, but about the same amount of surface as I used on my dadafter his bath (ie., everywhere but his face and the rest of hishead.) Back then, I did baths on myself, but I also would on occasionuse the solution. I found more "punch" from the solution compared tothe bath. I also left the solution on to dry and did not rinse it offas some do. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.4/1276 - Release Date: 2/13/2008 9:41 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 this is the blue and white bag that has it LISTED on the bag how to use for baths, lacitive effect (meant for concumption) and for plants. Recovering from Autism is a marathon NOT a sprint, but FULLY possible! Read more about it on my Blogs athttp://www.myspace.com/christelking Re: Re:epson salt baths This might be a dumb question but where can I get the epson salt? I would like to try that on my son who is 12. Maybe he can benifit from it? He is very high functioning. Thanks for any response (:wendy campbell <wendydoula4u> wrote: This was a previous post from one of my groups, could have been this one I am not sure but it addresses the question:1. How much epsom salt would you use?Generally, I suggest working up to about a cup and a half in a fulltub of water. I don't think there is added benefit of going higherthan that, and it gets expensive! There are some children who are sosensitive to epsom salts (probably because of depletion of eithermagnesium or sulfate) that they have reactions to even as little as ateaspoon in a full tub of water. That's rare, but you really don'tknow if YOUR child will be THAT child until you try it. For thatreason, I always urge parents to start "low and slow", and thenincrement up to the full dose as fast as it seems warranted. I'll putbelow a compilation of things I'd written on internet lists aboutepsom salts that was assembled and reorganized years ago by Wetherby and reflects a lot of the work I did in my first years ofautism research. I hope it will answer a lot of questions, but pleasehonor the copyright!2. Will the epsom salt creams serve the same purpose?We don't know exactly, because it is hard to calculate how muchsolution actually gets absorbed, especially since no scientist has yetdetermined if there are transporters in the skin for sulfate inland-loving creatures like us. If there are, then there might beregulation and differences in rates of absorption based uponconditions in the body.Years ago, I pioneered in autism circles the concept of applying epsomsalts directly to the skin because of that old "necessity is themother of invention" thing. At that point, most people were thinkingthat epsom salts drew the bad stuff into the tub and that was how itdetoxified, so it didn't make much sense to just apply something tothe skin. Because of my work in graduate school in biology, I wasconvinced the benefit accrued from the sulfate ad magnesium beingtaken up into the body. My father had dementia, and I wanted to see ifepsom salts would help the issues he had in common with autism. He hadbroken his hip and couldn't get in the tub. I learned by experimentingwith it that if I made a solution of one part epsom salts to fourparts water and then had his aide apply that to his skin, he wouldbecome a completely changed man for about a day. He went from beingornery and belligerent an uncooperative to sweet and charming andadaptable, and you can BET his aides liked THAT transformation.Sometime after that (probably years later, I think)Kirkman startedoffering epsom salts creams because some of those using the solutionwith children with autism complained that it made their skin feelitchy. In fact, it might have been a mom that first tried to make acream version and that might have been the inspiration for the Kirkmanproduct.Jim asked me years ago to figure out whether my do-it-yourselfsolution or Kirkman's cream delivered more "stuff". I measured howmuch solution actually disappeared from a pre-wetted sponge used toapply the solution and I knew how much epsom salts was in eachtablespoon. I don't remember the numbers, but I did have theimpression that if the rate of absorption was the same via the creamor the water solution, that the solution as I had been making it wasquite a bit stronger. especially because I would apply it all over thebody.We don't know how much epsom salts is absorbed from the bath, thoughwe are talking about exposing much more surface than is typical withthe cream, but about the same amount of surface as I used on my dadafter his bath (ie., everywhere but his face and the rest of hishead.) Back then, I did baths on myself, but I also would on occasionuse the solution. I found more "punch" from the solution compared tothe bath. I also left the solution on to dry and did not rinse it offas some do. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Almost all of the epsom salts is manufactured by just a few companies and re-labeled as store brands etc... so it is all the same stuff.Nora We are using Epsom Salt from Target (a TON of it!). It comes in an "orange juice" carton but it is white with blue writing and just says Epsom Salt. Anybody know if that one has metals? Vicki This was a previous post from one of my groups, could have been this one I am not sure but it addresses the question: > > > 1. How much epsom salt would you use? > > Generally, I suggest working up to about a cup and a half in a full > tub of water. I don't think there is added benefit of going higher > than that, and it gets expensive! There are some children who are so > sensitive to epsom salts (probably because of depletion of either > magnesium or sulfate) that they have reactions to even as little as a > teaspoon in a full tub of water. That's rare, but you really don't > know if YOUR child will be THAT child until you try it. For that > reason, I always urge parents to start "low and slow", and then > increment up to the full dose as fast as it seems warranted. I'll put > below a compilation of things I'd written on internet lists about > epsom salts that was assembled and reorganized years ago by > Wetherby and reflects a lot of the work I did in my first years of > autism research. I hope it will answer a lot of questions, but please > honor the copyright! > > 2. Will the epsom salt creams serve the same purpose? > > We don't know exactly, because it is hard to calculate how much > solution actually gets absorbed, especially since no scientist has yet > determined if there are transporters in the skin for sulfate in > land-loving creatures like us. If there are, then there might be > regulation and differences in rates of absorption based upon > conditions in the body. > > Years ago, I pioneered in autism circles the concept of applying epsom > salts directly to the skin because of that old "necessity is the > mother of invention" thing. At that point, most people were thinking > that epsom salts drew the bad stuff into the tub and that was how it > detoxified, so it didn't make much sense to just apply something to > the skin. Because of my work in graduate school in biology, I was > convinced the benefit accrued from the sulfate ad magnesium being > taken up into the body. My father had dementia, and I wanted to see if > epsom salts would help the issues he had in common with autism. He had > broken his hip and couldn't get in the tub. I learned by experimenting > with it that if I made a solution of one part epsom salts to four > parts water and then had his aide apply that to his skin, he would > become a completely changed man for about a day. He went from being > ornery and belligerent an uncooperative to sweet and charming and > adaptable, and you can BET his aides liked THAT transformation. > Sometime after that (probably years later, I think)Kirkman started > offering epsom salts creams because some of those using the solution > with children with autism complained that it made their skin feel > itchy. In fact, it might have been a mom that first tried to make a > cream version and that might have been the inspiration for the Kirkman > product. > > Jim asked me years ago to figure out whether my do-it-yourself > solution or Kirkman's cream delivered more "stuff". I measured how > much solution actually disappeared from a pre-wetted sponge used to > apply the solution and I knew how much epsom salts was in each > tablespoon. I don't remember the numbers, but I did have the > impression that if the rate of absorption was the same via the cream > or the water solution, that the solution as I had been making it was > quite a bit stronger. especially because I would apply it all over the > body. > > We don't know how much epsom salts is absorbed from the bath, though > we are talking about exposing much more surface than is typical with > the cream, but about the same amount of surface as I used on my dad > after his bath (ie., everywhere but his face and the rest of his > head.) Back then, I did baths on myself, but I also would on occasion > use the solution. I found more "punch" from the solution compared to > the bath. I also left the solution on to dry and did not rinse it off > as some do. > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > --------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.4/1276 - Release Date: 2/13/2008 9:41 AM > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > --------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1280 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 9:00 AM > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. 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