Re: sherry b- FSCANII

[Guest guest]

May I forward this email on to the Dale Fawcett who sold me my FSCAN

and ABPA??? He is probably aware of all of this, but I, personally,

feel the need to send it to him, so he knows that I now know this.

This saddens me beyond words. I just wanted to help my dog with cancer

- it was my only intention. I would have done anything and spent

anything to help her - and this is what happened to me and my stupidity

and trusting. Lesson learned the very hard way.

Sherry Bakko

>

> --- Nenah Sylver wrote:

>

> > ,

> > I have found the following formula quite useful. It

> > bypasses the design flaws and gives, in my

> > experience, accurate results. The DIRPS are divided

> > into two sections, in case there are a lot of hits.

> >

> > F-Scan settings to avoid repeating numbers from

> > hardware problems

> >

> > F-Scan 1 (black unit)

> >

> > DIRP 2

> >

> > Frequency Maximum: 755,610

> > Frequency Minimum: 417,288

> >

> > Delta: 678

> <snip>

>

> I'm familiar with this, but I don't agree that it's a

> true " bypass " . It's more of a " better than nothing "

> workaround. It also doesn't address the fact that the

> testing voltage is too high. In EAV testing, which

> the F-scan tries to emulate, it is known that anything

> more than 1.5 volts polarizes the point. If I

> remember correctly, the F-scan uses about 6 volts in

> its testing signal. While it doesn't test on

> acupuncture points, I think 6 volts is still too high

> for testing. I think it has also been shown that the

> waveform output isn't very pure.

>

> In my opinion, it is inexcusable for a device as

> expensive as the F-scan to have such design flaws,

> especially since these flaws have been brought to the

> attention of the manufacturer. These flaws should

> have been corrected long ago.

>

> There are some who are fond of mentioning that the

> F-scan is European CE certified, the implication being

> that this somehow makes it more credible or effective.

> CE certification is just as meaningless as FDA

> certification, in my opinion anyway.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- sherry bakko wrote:

>

> May I forward this email on to the Dale Fawcett who

> sold me my FSCAN

> and ABPA??? He is probably aware of all of this, but

> I, personally,

> feel the need to send it to him, so he knows that I

> now know this.

> This saddens me beyond words. I just wanted to help

> my dog with cancer

> - it was my only intention. I would have done

> anything and spent

> anything to help her - and this is what happened to

> me and my stupidity

> and trusting. Lesson learned the very hard way.

Feel free to forward it to whomever you want, but I

doubt it will do any good. You must realize that Dale

Fawcett and Jeff Sutherland have a significant

financial conflict of interest in this matter.

Regardless of whether they're sincere or not, they're

not the first people to be compromised by financial

considerations. It's a sad commentary, but in this

system of things, reality is seldom pretty.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

> This saddens me beyond words. I just wanted to help my dog with

cancer

> - it was my only intention. I would have done anything and spent

> anything to help her - and this is what happened to me and my

stupidity

> and trusting. Lesson learned the very hard way.

>

> Sherry Bakko

Hi Sherry,

I am so sorry you've had such an awful time with all of this. It

saddens me beyond words too. When a loved one is so ill, none of us

are at our most rational and don't have the time to be patient or to

trawl through mountains of information.

Newcomers asking questions about this technology (or any other

subject) deserve to be treated with kindess and respect and to be

told the truth. They should be given facts in easy to understand

language and not be " blinded by science " or have their questions

skirted around! I was a newcomer to Rife type technology just last

January as I too had a sick dog. Thankfully she was not as sick as

your girl is and I was very lucky to find wonderful people to teach

me from their hearts not their wallets.

I am appalled at the way you have been treated, but I am certain your

story will help other newcomers and I applaud you for telling it.

My very best wishes to you and your girl.

Barbara

http://freewebs.com/plasmaplusuk

http://freewebs.com/eftscotland

http://freewebs.com/eftforall

[Guest guest]

Re: sherry b- FSCANII

>

> --- sherry bakko wrote:

>

>>

>> May I forward this email on to the Dale Fawcett who

>> sold me my FSCAN

>> and ABPA??? He is probably aware of all of this, but

>> I, personally,

>> feel the need to send it to him, so he knows that I

>> now know this.

>> This saddens me beyond words. I just wanted to help

>> my dog with cancer

>> - it was my only intention. I would have done

>> anything and spent

>> anything to help her - and this is what happened to

>> me and my stupidity

>> and trusting. Lesson learned the very hard way.

> Feel free to forward it to whomever you want, but I

> doubt it will do any good. You must realize that Dale

> Fawcett and Jeff Sutherland have a significant

> financial conflict of interest in this matter.

> Regardless of whether they're sincere or not, they're

> not the first people to be compromised by financial

> considerations. It's a sad commentary, but in this

> system of things, reality is seldom pretty.

>

> Regards,

>

ENOUGH ALREADY!

Sherry, you have a choice. You can choose to believe only negative criticisms

about the equipment you bought and the people associated with that equipment,

and continue to see and present yourself as a victim while trying to elicit

people's sympathies. Or, you can decide to NOT be a victim and learn how to use

the equipment to its best advantage. If using the equipment doesn't appeal to

you, Dick Loyd has a bulletin board for used equipment sales:

http://www.drloyd.com/bb/index.php It's an active board, and people log on

there looking for all types of electromedical devices.

, there are many people for whom the F-Scan is a life-saving unit. For

others, the F-Scan is obviously not the best unit -- the same odds as with ANY

OTHER good quality rife-style unit. But -- and this is my opinion -- to publicly

imply that their endorsement and/or use of certain equipment has to do with

" financial interests " is not only cynical, but inaccurate -- not to mention

provacative and divisive. I am grateful to have had the opportunity to get to

know Dale Fawcett and Dr. Jeff Sutherland personally. My experiences show me

that these two people have integrity. I don't think that a public forum on Rife

technology should be used to malign people.

Can we please get back onto the topic of healing?

Thank you.

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD

http://www.nenahsylver.com

* author, The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

* author, The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

[Guest guest]

--- Nenah Sylver wrote:

<snip>

> , there are many people for whom the F-Scan is

> a life-saving unit. For others, the F-Scan is

> obviously not the best unit -- the same odds as with

> ANY OTHER good quality rife-style unit.

I don't deny that the F-scan has been a life-saving

unit for many people, but for the $8000.00 that Sherry

has paid, the odds should be A LOT better than any

other good quality Rife-style unit. If I paid a

couple of hundred thousand dollars for a Ferrari, do

you think I would be satisfied if it gave me the

performance of a Honda Civic, even though the odds are

that it would still get me to work?

> But -- and

> this is my opinion -- to publicly imply that their

> endorsement and/or use of certain equipment has to

> do with " financial interests " is not only cynical,

> but inaccurate -- not to mention provacative and

> divisive.

I wasn't talking about their endorsement and use of

certain equipment; I was talking about selling

$8000.00 worth of equipment and service to a newbie

who knew nothing about the subject. All she wanted

was to get her dog well. She's not a researcher or

experimenter, but the caregiver of a patient. She was

astonished to find that what she had paid for was not

" Rife " , the implication being that she wasn't given

full disclosure.

> I am grateful to have had the opportunity

> to get to know Dale Fawcett and Dr. Jeff Sutherland

> personally. My experiences show me that these two

> people have integrity.

But we're talking about Sherry's experience, which is

no less valid than yours. Besides, I should think

that you would be singing a different tune if you had

paid $8000.00 with no results.

> I don't think that a public

> forum on Rife technology should be used to malign

> people.

Perhaps not, but neither should such serious issues be

whitewashed. The Rife community has a right to know

about these things, and the fact that they are being

made in public gives anyone concerned the opportunity

to respond. I would love for either Dale or Jeff to

come on list and explain themselves. By the way,

where are they? If I remember correctly, at least

Jeff was on this list. Why haven't we heard anything

from him in at least a few years? It seems to me that

like a couple of others, he came on list, made a name

for himself and acquired a following, and then

disappeared from the scrutiny of the list. This is

the way it appears to me, and I would be glad to be

corrected if possible.

> Can we please get back onto the topic of healing?

Sure, but the topic of someone not getting healed is

just as important as the topic of those that are

healed. Sherry paid a lot of money to get her dog

healed and didn't get results. And neither was she

given full disclosure to make an informed choice to

accept the risk. This is a serious matter that should

not be glossed over.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

>Or, you can decide to NOT be a victim and learn how to use the

>equipment to its best advantage.

So Nenah, the average customer is supposed to know these things

without being told, and, in effect, run an ad hoc research program

upon their family and pets? Many people resort to electrotherapy at a

time of vulnerability and personal crisis. Duty of care by the

manufacturer seems a highly relevant issue. In most instances, there

is not even sufficient documentation on their websites to enable

anyone to choose the best brand and model for their situation. I

would be happy to provide a few examples.

>, there are many people for whom the F-Scan is a life-saving unit.

Perhaps, but I don't see any of them fronting up here. Can you offer

anything specific? BTW, in spite of outputting " Rife " frequencies,

the F-Scan, like the Vega, QXCI, BodyScan, etc. employs a

(biotransductive) diagnostic procedure based upon the classic

radionic response, eg. variation in skin conductivity. IOW

subconsciously applied pressure and/or sweat gland activity re: the

patient. Think of it as a cosmic lie detector, or passive dowsing. It

does not always work consistently, or on a certain percentage of

subjects. There is no way to predict this.

>For others, the F-Scan is obviously not the best unit -- the same

>odds as with ANY OTHER good quality rife-style unit.

That seems a pretty general statement. Perhaps you would like to

qualify it. Someone reading this might wonder what exactly the odds

are, and if any purchase is justified at all. Dowsing + radionics +

some Rife frequencies = " Rife-style " ? I suggest we are bending the

terminology a bit here.

>But -- and this is my opinion -- to publicly imply that their

>endorsement and/or use of certain equipment has to do with

> " financial interests " is not only cynical, but inaccurate -- not to

>mention provacative and divisive.

So then, we should properly malign the " maligner " ? I would rather

some useful information. Anyway, why is it " inaccurate " ? Dr.

Sutherland conducts nationwide workshops based to a large degree upon

the F-Scan. It, and the " Biophoton Analyzer " , are linked from his

website. He also does the " Aurameter " , a spring-amplified dowsing rod.

>I am grateful to have had the opportunity to get to know Dale

>Fawcett and Dr. Jeff Sutherland personally. My experiences show me

>that these two people have integrity.

I don't know about their integrity. 100% is hard to find. In any

event, why should anyone adopt your unsupported opinions and reject

those of others? To be fair, I revisited your website, but did not

find any technical qualifications or content to speak of. It is a

fact of life that Rifing and the reputations of its promoters are

open to question. Perhaps we should be more concerned with why,

instead of simply upholding a plausible image for the economic

benefit of a few.

Nielsen

[Guest guest]

>

Nenah

I am not playing 'the victim' nor do I feel like I am one. I am

sharing my experience. Just because you do not agree - does not make

it any less valid. I am so glad that you have had wonderful

experiences with your FSCAN. I have not, and I believe people need to

know that also. Just from this thread, more information about the

FSCAN has come to light - certainly things I never knew. When you

referred me to Dale, I trusted that referral. AND, as I said before, I

did not have the luxury of 'researching' every, single, machine that is

out there. Dale was very helpful in the beginning with me and talking

me through the basics. It is not and never has been my intention to

malign anyone. This is my opinion and my experience. There is so

much more to my story than you know. I will say what I have to say

when I need to. There is always the delete button. I do not mean that

unkindly.

Sherry Bakko

> ENOUGH ALREADY!

>

> Sherry, you have a choice. You can choose to believe only negative

> criticisms about the equipment you bought and the people associated

> with that equipment, and continue to see and present yourself as a

> victim while trying to elicit people's sympathies. Or, you can decide

> to NOT be a victim and learn how to use the equipment to its best

> advantage. If using the equipment doesn't appeal to you, Dick Loyd has

> a bulletin board for used equipment sales:

> http://www.drloyd.com/bb/index.php It's an active board, and people

> log on there looking for all types of electromedical devices.

>

> , there are many people for whom the F-Scan is a life-saving

> unit. For others, the F-Scan is obviously not the best unit -- the

> same odds as with ANY OTHER good quality rife-style unit. But -- and

> this is my opinion -- to publicly imply that their endorsement and/or

> use of certain equipment has to do with " financial interests " is not

> only cynical, but inaccurate -- not to mention provacative and

> divisive. I am grateful to have had the opportunity to get to know

> Dale Fawcett and Dr. Jeff Sutherland personally. My experiences show

> me that these two people have integrity. I don't think that a public

> forum on Rife technology should be used to malign people.

>

> Can we please get back onto the topic of healing?

>

> Thank you.

> Nenah

>

> Nenah Sylver, PhD

> http://www.nenahsylver.com

> * author, The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

> * author, The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

I would like it if you provide a few examples.

Sherry

> In most instances, there

> is not even sufficient documentation on their websites to enable

> anyone to choose the best brand and model for their situation. I

> would be happy to provide a few examples.

[Guest guest]

, I don't tend to believe that the FSCAN is in any way related to

" Rife " , but I have friends who use the devices and are very happy with

them. Use of the devices remotely has to be radionics of some sort

(These same friends also do radionics ...)

I recall a friend years ago who told me that Rife invented radionics.

Wow, first time I'd heard that bit of nonsense.. Rife may have met Dr.

Abrams at some point, but I don't believe there was any connection

otherwise. Dr. Abrams was a highly regarded MD at one time (before

radionics..)

As an engineer, I much rather deal with physical realities where I can

see some connection between the device producing specific energies,

although that does get strained a bit sometimes when we really don't

know exactly what the " Rife Field " is. I don't buy the " scalar " stuff

either, but I could be proven wrong!

Friends with PERL and EMEM devices are getting results, but it'd sure be

nice to know why - the pathology isn't known. When we can repeatably

kill e.coli remotely from a few feet away with our machines, then we can

do to the biologists and ask what's happening. Not paramecium organisms,

but e.coli bacteria - completely different critter.

Dave Felt

> >Or, you can decide to NOT be a victim and learn how to use the

> >equipment to its best advantage.

>

> So Nenah, the average customer is supposed to know these things

> without being told, and, in effect, run an ad hoc research program

> upon their family and pets? Many people resort to electrotherapy at a

> time of vulnerability and personal crisis. Duty of care by the

> manufacturer seems a highly relevant issue. In most instances, there

> is not even sufficient documentation on their websites to enable

> anyone to choose the best brand and model for thei

[Guest guest]

--- Dave wrote:

> , I don't tend to believe that the FSCAN is in

> any way related to

> " Rife " , but I have friends who use the devices and

> are very happy with

> them. Use of the devices remotely has to be

> radionics of some sort

> (These same friends also do radionics ...)

I sure hope that it's not only people who are into

radionics that get results with the F-scan. I should

say that the special filter that Stephan Fuelling

designed appears to help the F-scan work much better

and reliably. What I don't like is that the

manufacturer didn't adopt the filter fix, but instead

went for the software workaround. What I would like

to see is somebody take the idea of the F-scan, and

then design and built a unit properly.

> I recall a friend years ago who told me that Rife

> invented radionics.

> Wow, first time I'd heard that bit of nonsense..

> Rife may have met Dr.

> Abrams at some point, but I don't believe there was

> any connection

> otherwise. Dr. Abrams was a highly regarded MD at

> one time (before

> radionics..)

Since Dr. Abrams died in 1924, it is unlikely that

Rife ever met him.

<snip>

> I don't buy

> the " scalar " stuff

> either, but I could be proven wrong!

<snip>

From some of what I've read, " scalar waves " are more

properly called longitudinal waves. Longitudinal

waves are produced by plasmas.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

>What I would like

>to see is somebody take the idea of the F-scan, and

>then design and built a unit properly.

Going back to the 1950's, many have tried to automate radionic

tuning; being the dowsing response. The holy grail is thus to

objectify intuition. IOW a metered " yes " or " no " to the introduced

stimulus or question. The problem is that the detector, the

individual human energy field (patient), is concurrently subject to a

range of internal biases, which may themselves be underwriting any

present disorder. This includes hidden negative attitudes and

environ-mental factors. IOW the entity with the problem identifies

with it and fails to see beyond. This is what training is intended to

overcome. Any shortcomings of the measuring device will obviously

compound the error.

The non-metaphysical approach is to ping single frequencies and

monitor the intensity of the electrical or mechanical " echo " .

However, the prospect of isolating any precisely defined structure

within the body, using audio frequencies, is uncertain. I understand

Ken Uzzell is working on this. Perhaps he would like to comment on

the current state of development. It may be more viable to obtain a

zone resonance, as in " sound toning " , and use this as gating to

better target the influential signal.

> From some of what I've read, " scalar waves " are more

>properly called longitudinal waves. Longitudinal

>waves are produced by plasmas.

Scalar waves are produced by cancellation of opposing vectors, most

often in bifilar coils. Longitudinal waves are like sound. They emit

due to shock waves from the surface of the plasma tube.

Nielsen