Re: Re: Was: Shelvie Rettman; IS: Long-distance Rife treatments

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>My theory is that EM fields have nothing to do with

>it, and that the intention of the practitioner is the

>only factor. As Dick Loyd once told me, a good

>Radionics practitioner can do the same thing with a

>bunch of dials drawn on a piece of paper; no real

>hardware required. This of course applies to the

>so-called " air head " faction of Radionics. The

>so-called " gear head " faction does require an actual

>machine that puts out a measurable current, such as

>the Oscilloclast that Rife tested.

Gee, this is a bit of a tangle. Abrams used radionics (percussive

diagnosis, and a passive resistive tuner), AS WELL AS Rife-like

frequency therapy. So, where does one draw the line between the two?

Did anyone notice the link I posted recently of his _Radio_

Oscilloclast? It is pure electronic hardware. No operator intent,

" vibrational energy " , or the like required. Perhaps this link will

help clarify the lineage.

http://radionic.co.uk/s%20A4.1.htm

BTW, contrary to the above article, Abrams never used the word

" radionics " . Simply because he is its nominal founder does not mean

everything he did, and, by implication, frequency therapy, falls

under this cartegory. This association has been perpetuated by

detractors and the misinformed. If anyone does an internet search for

" radionics " , the extent of the confusion will become evident, ie.

radionic rates referred to as " frequencies " , frequency therapy

referred to as " radionics " , etc. Manufacturers have also been known

to casually throw terminology around. Be warned, it is everything in

science, and law. Someone who is slightly skeptical, and moderately

informed, could be forgiven for concluding it's all a sham.

Dick Loyd's statement is not entirely true, particularly when it

comes to treatment. An instrument built with intent carries alot more

existential weight than a hastily drawn diagram. Adding an electronic

circuit contributes to this. Of course, this raises an intriguing

question, how much is operator intent a factor in Rife therapy, or

any other for that matter? The world is not really as solid as it

appears. That's the domain of radionics, and what distinguishes it.

There is a related point to be made concerning the difference between

the diagnostic and treatment phases in classic radionics. The former

requires learned dowsing ability. The second can be done by nearly

anyone. This is a well established fact. When the large clinics were

in operation, relatively untrained assistants were hired to spend all

day inserting hair, saliva or blood samples and setting dials.

In explanation of radionic tuning, distant healing via a photo, etc.,

if you don't click with esoterism, there are the modern principles of

" quantum entanglement " and " geometric phase " .

And then, there is radionic photography.

http://www.rexresearch.com/radphoto/1radphot.htm

Radionic imprintation of homeopathic remedies, and so on.

Interesting, workable, but different.

Nielsen

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Some radionics machines enable you to send Rife frequencies.

Angie.

Nielsen wrote:

>My theory is that EM fields have nothing to do with

>it, and that the intention of the practitioner is the

>only factor. As Dick Loyd once told me, a good

>Radionics practitioner can do the same thing with a

>bunch of dials drawn on a piece of paper; no real

>hardware required. This of course applies to the

>so-called " air head " faction of Radionics. The

>so-called " gear head " faction does require an actual

>machine that puts out a measurable current, such as

>the Oscilloclast that Rife tested.

Gee, this is a bit of a tangle. Abrams used radionics (percussive

diagnosis, and a passive resistive tuner), AS WELL AS Rife-like

frequency therapy. So, where does one draw the line between the two?

Did anyone notice the link I posted recently of his _Radio_

Oscilloclast? It is pure electronic hardware. No operator intent,

" vibrational energy " , or the like required. Perhaps this link will

help clarify the lineage.

http://radionic.co.uk/s%20A4.1.htm

BTW, contrary to the above article, Abrams never used the word

" radionics " . Simply because he is its nominal founder does not mean

everything he did, and, by implication, frequency therapy, falls

under this cartegory. This association has been perpetuated by

detractors and the misinformed. If anyone does an internet search for

" radionics " , the extent of the confusion will become evident, ie.

radionic rates referred to as " frequencies " , frequency therapy

referred to as " radionics " , etc. Manufacturers have also been known

to casually throw terminology around. Be warned, it is everything in

science, and law. Someone who is slightly skeptical, and moderately

informed, could be forgiven for concluding it's all a sham.

Dick Loyd's statement is not entirely true, particularly when it

comes to treatment. An instrument built with intent carries alot more

existential weight than a hastily drawn diagram. Adding an electronic

circuit contributes to this. Of course, this raises an intriguing

question, how much is operator intent a factor in Rife therapy, or

any other for that matter? The world is not really as solid as it

appears. That's the domain of radionics, and what distinguishes it.

There is a related point to be made concerning the difference between

the diagnostic and treatment phases in classic radionics. The former

requires learned dowsing ability. The second can be done by nearly

anyone. This is a well established fact. When the large clinics were

in operation, relatively untrained assistants were hired to spend all

day inserting hair, saliva or blood samples and setting dials.

In explanation of radionic tuning, distant healing via a photo, etc.,

if you don't click with esoterism, there are the modern principles of

" quantum entanglement " and " geometric phase " .

And then, there is radionic photography.

http://www.rexresearch.com/radphoto/1radphot.htm

Radionic imprintation of homeopathic remedies, and so on.

Interesting, workable, but different.

Nielsen

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>Some radionics machines enable you to send Rife frequencies.

Of course, not to mention " sending " colors, gemstones, herbs, pills

.... basically anything you can fit into the well, or represent

numerically, that has a perceived therapeutic benefit. But, as

points out, this kind of remote healing, instrumented as it is, still

differs sharply from directly administering the physical or EM

counterpart. And frequency therapy, as practiced today, is not the

original devised by Rife.

I used to make agricultural radionic transmitters of my own design.

These were relatively complex, employing subtractive white noise, ELF

modulation, phase shift tuning, amplification and high voltage

dielectric antennae. We used a B & W aerial photo-negative of the land

to be treated combined with the appropriate pesticide or fertilizer.

Sometimes it worked. Sometimes it didn't. Put some gold in and see if

you get rich. Everything has its limits, but that's another story.

Here is the original work by UKACO.

http://www.m-tec.ag/radionik_landwirtschaft.asp?lang=eng

So, I am opposed to conflicted terminology, not radionics. Left vs.

right brain interpretations, subsequently intermingled, are a major

cause of confusion. IMO the background on energetic modalities, both

tangible and subtle, needs to be entirely rewritten from an

all-encompassing point of view. The longer it is left as is, the

longer we will be revisiting these raised issues.

BTW for a good history I highly recommend the book, " Report on

Radionics " by (Neville Spearman). Most other authors

have vested interests in a particular approach and it shows.

Radionics functions as a physical extension of the operator's will.

Hence it tends to encourage and harbor often irrelevant idiosyncrasies.

With regard to the " F-Scan " , I rest my case on the validity of being

led by manufacturers. Unfortunately, the more of this you look for,

the more you will find.

Nielsen