Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 pam wrote: > Hey Don, > I use Bronners to wash pets and I add oils to the diluted soap and > wash. Yes 90 percent of the fleas are rendered motionless after one > of my grooming sessions, not sure if they snap out of it or what. > Fleas in the northwest are super bad right now ! I personally have > zero problem w/ fleas on my dog but I know plenty of pet owners who > are desperate for help. I give them every natural option but > unfortunately folks want quick fixes. If a dog is infested it takes > alot more to get rid of the fleas than herbal baths and collars > etc. Not only because it takes constant attention to eliminate them > like diet, vaccuuming, combing, washing that endless cycle. So when > people talk fleas it most likely extends way beyond just a few on > the pet so any option healthier beyond dips and chemical > applications is an enormous benefit. That's why I am interested in > sulpher. If it is better than the poison (that is if it isn't a > poison if used properly) than I think that it is a great option for > the lay pet owners. So since nobody has any studies about sulphers > long term effects it looks like I'm on my own ! > Wish me luck. > Pam > ================================================ > > Hi Pam, So print this out and give to em. Act 4 - Scene 10: Rid Your Pet of Fleas! Fleas... this word alone conjures an image of ruthless, blood sucking parasites and in many ways, this description is correct. Fleas are members of what I call the M.N.W.R.U. (Mother Nature’s Waste Reduction Union). Unfortunately, fleas never go on strike and unfortunately they fully understand their job description. A flea’s job description in nature is to suck the blood from animals and they are more naturally found on dead carcasses. Unfortunately, fleas don’t realize that our animals are alive. However, because so many pets are not as healthy as they should or could be, fleas may become attracted to a pet’s body. We must try and get your pet to optimal health because otherwise to fleas, your pet’s skin may be similar to that of a dead carcass. Realizing that fleas are only trying to do their job, a job which in Nature’s scheme of things is very important, we can begin to help minimize the numbers of fleas that hop on to our pets and maximize the number of fleas that hop off. To help fleas hop off our pets, one should try to minimize the amount of toxins that enter your companion and maximize the toxins that leave. In my opinion, the idea of chemical flea sprays, flea baths, flea collars and so on is ludicrous. These products form the basic arsenal to attack and kill fleas at the moment. I realize fleas can be a problem and one wants to eliminate them as of yesterday, but to what degree is one willing to accomplish this? Your pet’s skin is not immune to chemicals or poisons. It is important that we, the guardians of pets, become more educated. The arsenal used to rid pets of fleas should be sound common sense, natural products, and wholesome food. Fleas like some bacteria and other parasites can build resistance to chemical means of getting rid of them. In fact, the fleas usually come back stronger and more resistant after the use of chemicals. In addition, chemicals may attack your pet’s own natural defense systems and may harm organs like the liver and kidneys. I often wonder how some veterinarians can suggest chemical flea products when the labels state “do not expose to your skin”. If it’s not safe to touch our skin, then what are we doing applying them to our pets?!? Modern technology may create synthetic solutions to get rid of the spiny, strong legged flea, but what are the long term consequences? We wonder why so many pets suffer from auto immune disease, allergies, cancer, and other maladies that are now considered 'normal'. The people that use chemical products are probably also the people that will tell you that using leeches to draw blood is a crazy idea. Something is definitely wrong in my opinion with chemicals. Some may say that chemicals are okay because the LD50 value is low thus making the product safe. Well, the LD50 value is used to describe the “lethal dose” required to kill 50 rats out of 100. The way I look at it is 50 dead rats is 50 too many, regardless of how weak the poison. In addition, one may ask how long do these poisons remain before they break down and become neutralized. Some weak poisons may stay around for a long time which in turn can make them more lethal over the long term. For immediate relief, some vets may suggest cortisone or they may suggest your pet be put on some program. Now I’m no expert on these products, but some will say cortisone can cause vitamin A and C deficiencies; mineral deficiencies, and may harm the liver and kidneys. Many vets will say they are safe for use, but once again I always ask myself, how many dogs and cats have autoimmune disorder, kidney or liver problems? The answer is way too many. So What’s A Natural Solution? Well, let’s begin with feeding wholesome homemade food. This will help minimize the toxins that enter your pet’s body and maximize the the toxins that leave. This in turn helps create normal and healthy skin. Immediately this helps to create the environment of a healthy animal, not a dead one. Fleas don’t like this and begin looking for a new toxic environment. Now don’t expect wholesome homemade food to get rid of every flea and don’t expect it to work over night. There are many factors that get involved in determining whether or not there will be a flea problem including, but not limited to, the area in which you live, the climate, time of year and so on. The good news is that people who feed wholesome homemade food tend to experience fewer fleas and sometimes no fleas as their companions begin their journey on the road of health. If you have ever read books like Dr. Pitcairn’s Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats you will notice that for skin problems like fleas, ringworm, mange, ticks to name a few, it is suggested that people should ensure their companion is getting enough of the mineral called sulphur. Sulphur helps with skin problems. Garlic is said to repel fleas, and it does, but not because of its odour. It does so because it has a high sulphur content. Equally important to ensuring that your companion gets enough sulphur, one needs to ensure your companion can utilize the sulphur. You can be feeding foods high in sulphur, but if your pets can’t utilize the sulphur, then the sulphur is useless. The best way, in my opinion, to ensure your companion is utilizing nutrients of all kinds is to feed wholesome, natural foods with good supplements..... the key word again is balance. In order for the body to function properly, certain nutrients must be in a certain ratio to another. For example, calcium and phosphorus have their own unique ratio. If the body is out of balance, you may need the help of a holistic veterinarian who understands nutrition to get the body back in balance. Sometimes though, the body will rebalance itself. But we are talking about fleas. You’ve minimized the toxins entering the body by eliminating chemicals, you’re feeding homemade food, sulphur is coming into the body, so.... what else can be done? Well, in addition to minimizing the toxins entering the body, we can help maximize the toxins leaving by introducing some herbs that aid the body in detoxifying. You can view the product list for remedies that help with detoxifying. Even if your pet doesn't have fleas, it's always a good idea to help purify the blood, aid the kidneys, liver and lymphatic system. Obviously, constantly washing the bedding and vacuuming your carpets is another good idea that helps with flea problems. From a herbal standpoint, a good herbal shampoo can be used to help wash off any toxins and clean the skin. I personally do not use shampoos that contain artificial ingredients like propylene glycol. Once again, the product list will outline some really great herbal shampoos! I also prefer to stay away from products that contain herbs like cedarwood, pennyroyal, citronella, eucalyptus, and tea tree oil. It is true that many use these herbs, but we must remember that our pets have a sense of smell 1000 times more powerful than ours. Since the above mentioned herbs are strong smelling, they will give your pets a nauseous feeling, migraines and more. These products may be suitable for humans, but they should be kept away from dogs and cats. If you don’t believe me, put some tea tree oil under your dog or cat’s nose and watch them turn away! In addition, these products can irritate the skin and we must always remember that any product that goes onto the skin of our pets should be safe to be licked internally. For example, even if pennyroyal had a soft aroma, we still must remember that this herb is lethal and has been used to induce abortions. Pennyroyal should only be used while under the direct supervision of a master herbalist. It is reported that only 50mg/kg of pennyroyal oil can be lethal. These products sell quite well because just like with commercial pet foods, it is the human that is buying these products and not the pets. Our pets don’t have a choice. They rely on you. The manufacturers of these products market them towards the humans because it is humans who buy. They realize that humans think these products are good and are capitalizing on this fact. Here again, this is a situation in which human health is confused with animal health. I find that people who make products for humans and convert them to use for pets, generally are unaware of the differences between pets and humans (I say generally because there are exceptions). What’s The Herbal Flea Alternative For Pets? I like to use the ancient herb called erigeron. Very rare, this herb dates back to Medieval times when the herb was burnt as a smudge stick to clear the air of insects. This herb is still used by native Indians who make a tea from it. Luckily, erigeron does not overpower your dog or cat’s sense of smell. It helps to deter, zap and exterminate fleas naturally because of its aroma. It is soothing and healing to the skin. If licked internally it is said to aid digestion. I personally have used erigeron flea application on myself when I was hiking to help get rid of the bugs. I’ve also used erigeron to remove an itch created by my knapsack. I always keep it on hand for immediate use on either my pets or myself. I've also seen erigeron literally make fleas jump off one cat that had a major infestation. Now I know what you are thinking, you’re saying, if this herb is so good, why doesn’t everyone use it. Well, the truth is that erigeron is classified as a weed by many. It’s common name is Canadian Fleabane and is probably growing in a forest or pasture near you, but because it is a weed, farmers don’t grow it. Erigeron will over take the land if planted and so farmers fearing the loss of their fields, terminate it. In addition, erigeron can only be harvested for one week out of the year. Truly, erigeron is an interesting herb. Erigeron is the only product I suggest you use to get rid of fleas naturally. I wouldn't use any other product or any other brand. So to help with fleas, the following products are available through all-the-best.com: * FleaBane Shampoo 16oz <http://www.all-the-best.com/Merchant/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY & Store_Code=2001 & Ca\ tegory_Code=Flea> * FleaBane Spray 16oz <http://www.all-the-best.com/Merchant/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY & Store_Code=2001 & Ca\ tegory_Code=Flea> You can use one or both of the above products. Generally speaking, the Erigeron spray not only helps to rid your pet of fleas, but also helps to soothe and heal the skin. For around the home or yard, I like to suggest a natural product called " Greg's Green Earth " as it helps to effectively eliminate fleas. Made from calcium based salt covered in natural oils, a product like this will stick to the fleas and then dehydrate them rather than poison them. Clearly a better choice than chemicals you spray in your home. A product like this which is environmentally friendly will not harm your pets, you or your family. Unfortunately, I do not know where to currently get Greg's Green Earth. What About Brewer’s Yeast? Although many products contain brewer’s yeast, I prefer to stay away from yeast of all kinds. Companies use yeast because they know people expect it in the product. It is highly unlikely though that brewer’s yeast gets rid of fleas. Some may swear by it, I only swear at it. Yeast is extremely hard for carnivores to digest. Remember, carnivores have short intestinal tracts in comparison to us humans. Yeast therefore can be stuck in your companion’s intestinal tract undigested. As a result of being undigested, some say yeast can trigger allergies in pets. In addition, yeast is said to cause a calcium deficiency in pets because the calcium to phosphorus ratio found in yeast is out of balance with that of a carnivore’s. Some may say yeast is needed for its nutrition, especially the B vitamins, but if you’re feeding raw meats, then your pet should be getting all of the B vitamins it needs. Raw meat is an excellent source of B vitamins. The idea behind using yeast may be okay for humans, but not pets. Most people are aware that vitamin B1, which is found in yeast, may help get rid of bugs on humans. Supposedly, vitamin B1 comes out through your pores and creates an aroma bugs don’t like. Well, unfortunately dogs and cats don’t sweat except for on their paws. So, if you want to eliminate fleas from the paws of your pets, then maybe yeast isn’t so bad. But seriously, you will probably find your pet will do better without yeast. Just remember, something can be an excellent source for nutrition, but if your body cannot utilize the nutrition, then it isn’t such a good source after all. This comes from: http://pet-grub.com/appendixA/scene10.pets -- Peace, love and light, Don Quai " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Oh Don Quai.... I've read this arcticle along time ago. I guess I needed that refresher, BTW is this from the Bearbyte website?????????????????. I heard as well after researching erigeron that it wasn't safe, so once again I become conused. I do have some of this stuff and it is woooexpensive, like 10bucks a 1/4 oz. So maybe I need to find the herb and make my own infusion for rinsing (hense a flea dip). So again this arcticle goes against what we were saying about the eo's being good flea repellants. And the sulpher he says is good but kind of looses me as he writes about it..so I am assuming sulpher is a natural componant of a good raw diet -yes-? So again I am back to square one. I can lead the horses to water but cannot make them drink. So there are gointo be pet owners who refuse to feed raw no matter how they feel about it, so what than, do I let the pet continue to chew on itself to the point of not only self inflicted wounds but flea sucking wounds, not to mention the consant state of irritation they feel, because that has got to be similiar to insanity in a human. What a dilemma. I will continue to use Bronners w/ my less expensive eo's. I will no longer recommend nutritional yeast, I will look into producing and using erigeron. And I hope I am on the right path here cuz I truly feel like I am only temporarily at best helping. Besides the actual cutting of the hair that is. Pam ============================== > > Hi Pam, > > So print this out and give to em. > > Act 4 - Scene 10: > Rid Your Pet of Fleas! > > Fleas... this word alone conjures an image of ruthless, blood sucking > parasites and in many ways, this description is correct. Fleas are > members of what I call the M.N.W.R.U. (Mother Nature's Waste Reduction > Union). Unfortunately, fleas never go on strike and unfortunately they > fully understand their job description. > > A flea's job description in nature is to suck the blood from animals and > they are more naturally found on dead carcasses. Unfortunately, fleas > don't realize that our animals are alive. However, because so many pets > are not as healthy as they should or could be, fleas may become > attracted to a pet's body. We must try and get your pet to optimal > health because otherwise to fleas, your pet's skin may be similar to > that of a dead carcass. > > Realizing that fleas are only trying to do their job, a job which in > Nature's scheme of things is very important, we can begin to help > minimize the numbers of fleas that hop on to our pets and maximize the > number of fleas that hop off. > > To help fleas hop off our pets, one should try to minimize the amount of > toxins that enter your companion and maximize the toxins that leave. > > In my opinion, the idea of chemical flea sprays, flea baths, flea > collars and so on is ludicrous. These products form the basic arsenal to > attack and kill fleas at the moment. I realize fleas can be a problem > and one wants to eliminate them as of yesterday, but to what degree is > one willing to accomplish this? > > Your pet's skin is not immune to chemicals or poisons. It is important > that we, the guardians of pets, become more educated. The arsenal used > to rid pets of fleas should be sound common sense, natural products, and > wholesome food. > > Fleas like some bacteria and other parasites can build resistance to > chemical means of getting rid of them. In fact, the fleas usually come > back stronger and more resistant after the use of chemicals. In > addition, chemicals may attack your pet's own natural defense systems > and may harm organs like the liver and kidneys. > > I often wonder how some veterinarians can suggest chemical flea products > when the labels state " do not expose to your skin " . If it's not safe to > touch our skin, then what are we doing applying them to our pets?!? > > Modern technology may create synthetic solutions to get rid of the > spiny, strong legged flea, but what are the long term consequences? > > We wonder why so many pets suffer from auto immune disease, allergies, > cancer, and other maladies that are now considered 'normal'. > > The people that use chemical products are probably also the people that > will tell you that using leeches to draw blood is a crazy idea. > Something is definitely wrong in my opinion with chemicals. > > Some may say that chemicals are okay because the LD50 value is low thus > making the product safe. Well, the LD50 value is used to describe the > " lethal dose " required to kill 50 rats out of 100. The way I look at it > is 50 dead rats is 50 too many, regardless of how weak the poison. > > In addition, one may ask how long do these poisons remain before they > break down and become neutralized. Some weak poisons may stay around for > a long time which in turn can make them more lethal over the long term. > > For immediate relief, some vets may suggest cortisone or they may > suggest your pet be put on some program. Now I'm no expert on these > products, but some will say cortisone can cause vitamin A and C > deficiencies; mineral deficiencies, and may harm the liver and kidneys. > > Many vets will say they are safe for use, but once again I always ask > myself, how many dogs and cats have autoimmune disorder, kidney or liver > problems? The answer is way too many. > > So What's A Natural Solution? > > Well, let's begin with feeding wholesome homemade food. This will help > minimize the toxins that enter your pet's body and maximize the the > toxins that leave. This in turn helps create normal and healthy skin. > Immediately this helps to create the environment of a healthy animal, > not a dead one. Fleas don't like this and begin looking for a new toxic > environment. > > Now don't expect wholesome homemade food to get rid of every flea and > don't expect it to work over night. There are many factors that get > involved in determining whether or not there will be a flea problem > including, but not limited to, the area in which you live, the climate, > time of year and so on. > > The good news is that people who feed wholesome homemade food tend to > experience fewer fleas and sometimes no fleas as their companions begin > their journey on the road of health. > > If you have ever read books like Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to > Natural Health for Dogs and Cats you will notice that for skin problems > like fleas, ringworm, mange, ticks to name a few, it is suggested that > people should ensure their companion is getting enough of the mineral > called sulphur. Sulphur helps with skin problems. > > Garlic is said to repel fleas, and it does, but not because of its > odour. It does so because it has a high sulphur content. Equally > important to ensuring that your companion gets enough sulphur, one needs > to ensure your companion can utilize the sulphur. You can be feeding > foods high in sulphur, but if your pets can't utilize the sulphur, then > the sulphur is useless. The best way, in my opinion, to ensure your > companion is utilizing nutrients of all kinds is to feed wholesome, > natural foods with good supplements..... the key word again is balance. > > In order for the body to function properly, certain nutrients must be in > a certain ratio to another. For example, calcium and phosphorus have > their own unique ratio. If the body is out of balance, you may need the > help of a holistic veterinarian who understands nutrition to get the > body back in balance. Sometimes though, the body will rebalance itself. > > But we are talking about fleas. You've minimized the toxins entering the > body by eliminating chemicals, you're feeding homemade food, sulphur is > coming into the body, so.... what else can be done? > > Well, in addition to minimizing the toxins entering the body, we can > help maximize the toxins leaving by introducing some herbs that aid the > body in detoxifying. You can view the product list for remedies that > help with detoxifying. Even if your pet doesn't have fleas, it's always > a good idea to help purify the blood, aid the kidneys, liver and > lymphatic system. > > Obviously, constantly washing the bedding and vacuuming your carpets is > another good idea that helps with flea problems. > > From a herbal standpoint, a good herbal shampoo can be used to help > wash off any toxins and clean the skin. I personally do not use shampoos > that contain artificial ingredients like propylene glycol. Once again, > the product list will outline some really great herbal shampoos! > > I also prefer to stay away from products that contain herbs like > cedarwood, pennyroyal, citronella, eucalyptus, and tea tree oil. > > It is true that many use these herbs, but we must remember that our pets > have a sense of smell 1000 times more powerful than ours. Since the > above mentioned herbs are strong smelling, they will give your pets a > nauseous feeling, migraines and more. > > These products may be suitable for humans, but they should be kept away > from dogs and cats. If you don't believe me, put some tea tree oil under > your dog or cat's nose and watch them turn away! > > In addition, these products can irritate the skin and we must always > remember that any product that goes onto the skin of our pets should be > safe to be licked internally. For example, even if pennyroyal had a soft > aroma, we still must remember that this herb is lethal and has been used > to induce abortions. Pennyroyal should only be used while under the > direct supervision of a master herbalist. It is reported that only > 50mg/kg of pennyroyal oil can be lethal. > > These products sell quite well because just like with commercial pet > foods, it is the human that is buying these products and not the pets. > Our pets don't have a choice. They rely on you. > > The manufacturers of these products market them towards the humans > because it is humans who buy. They realize that humans think these > products are good and are capitalizing on this fact. Here again, this is > a situation in which human health is confused with animal health. I find > that people who make products for humans and convert them to use for > pets, generally are unaware of the differences between pets and humans > (I say generally because there are exceptions). > > What's The Herbal Flea Alternative For Pets? > > I like to use the ancient herb called erigeron. Very rare, this herb > dates back to Medieval times when the herb was burnt as a smudge stick > to clear the air of insects. This herb is still used by native Indians > who make a tea from it. > > Luckily, erigeron does not overpower your dog or cat's sense of smell. > It helps to deter, zap and exterminate fleas naturally because of its > aroma. It is soothing and healing to the skin. If licked internally it > is said to aid digestion. > > I personally have used erigeron flea application on myself when I was > hiking to help get rid of the bugs. I've also used erigeron to remove an > itch created by my knapsack. I always keep it on hand for immediate use > on either my pets or myself. > > I've also seen erigeron literally make fleas jump off one cat that had a > major infestation. > > Now I know what you are thinking, you're saying, if this herb is so > good, why doesn't everyone use it. Well, the truth is that erigeron is > classified as a weed by many. It's common name is Canadian Fleabane and > is probably growing in a forest or pasture near you, but because it is a > weed, farmers don't grow it. > > Erigeron will over take the land if planted and so farmers fearing the > loss of their fields, terminate it. In addition, erigeron can only be > harvested for one week out of the year. Truly, erigeron is an > interesting herb. > > Erigeron is the only product I suggest you use to get rid of fleas > naturally. I wouldn't use any other product or any other brand. > > So to help with fleas, the following products are available through > all-the-best.com: > > * > > FleaBane Shampoo 16oz > <http://www.all-the-best.com/Merchant/merchant.mv? Screen=CTGY & Store_Code=2001 & Category_Code=Flea> > > * > > FleaBane Spray 16oz > <http://www.all-the-best.com/Merchant/merchant.mv? Screen=CTGY & Store_Code=2001 & Category_Code=Flea> > > You can use one or both of the above products. Generally speaking, the > Erigeron spray not only helps to rid your pet of fleas, but also helps > to soothe and heal the skin. > > For around the home or yard, I like to suggest a natural product called > " Greg's Green Earth " as it helps to effectively eliminate fleas. Made > from calcium based salt covered in natural oils, a product like this > will stick to the fleas and then dehydrate them rather than poison them. > Clearly a better choice than chemicals you spray in your home. A product > like this which is environmentally friendly will not harm your pets, you > or your family. > > Unfortunately, I do not know where to currently get Greg's Green Earth. > > What About Brewer's Yeast? > > Although many products contain brewer's yeast, I prefer to stay away > from yeast of all kinds. Companies use yeast because they know people > expect it in the product. It is highly unlikely though that brewer's > yeast gets rid of fleas. Some may swear by it, I only swear at it. > > Yeast is extremely hard for carnivores to digest. Remember, carnivores > have short intestinal tracts in comparison to us humans. Yeast therefore > can be stuck in your companion's intestinal tract undigested. As a > result of being undigested, some say yeast can trigger allergies in pets. > > In addition, yeast is said to cause a calcium deficiency in pets because > the calcium to phosphorus ratio found in yeast is out of balance with > that of a carnivore's. Some may say yeast is needed for its nutrition, > especially the B vitamins, but if you're feeding raw meats, then your > pet should be getting all of the B vitamins it needs. Raw meat is an > excellent source of B vitamins. > > The idea behind using yeast may be okay for humans, but not pets. Most > people are aware that vitamin B1, which is found in yeast, may help get > rid of bugs on humans. Supposedly, vitamin B1 comes out through your > pores and creates an aroma bugs don't like. Well, unfortunately dogs and > cats don't sweat except for on their paws. So, if you want to eliminate > fleas from the paws of your pets, then maybe yeast isn't so bad. But > seriously, you will probably find your pet will do better without yeast. > > Just remember, something can be an excellent source for nutrition, but > if your body cannot utilize the nutrition, then it isn't such a good > source after all. > > This comes from: http://pet-grub.com/appendixA/scene10.pets > > -- > Peace, love and light, > > Don Quai > > " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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