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pam wrote:

> Hey Don,

> I use Bronners to wash pets and I add oils to the diluted soap and

> wash. Yes 90 percent of the fleas are rendered motionless after one

> of my grooming sessions, not sure if they snap out of it or what.

> Fleas in the northwest are super bad right now ! I personally have

> zero problem w/ fleas on my dog but I know plenty of pet owners who

> are desperate for help. I give them every natural option but

> unfortunately folks want quick fixes. If a dog is infested it takes

> alot more to get rid of the fleas than herbal baths and collars

> etc. Not only because it takes constant attention to eliminate them

> like diet, vaccuuming, combing, washing that endless cycle. So when

> people talk fleas it most likely extends way beyond just a few on

> the pet so any option healthier beyond dips and chemical

> applications is an enormous benefit. That's why I am interested in

> sulpher. If it is better than the poison (that is if it isn't a

> poison if used properly) than I think that it is a great option for

> the lay pet owners. So since nobody has any studies about sulphers

> long term effects it looks like I'm on my own !

> Wish me luck.

> Pam

> ================================================

>

> Hi Pam,

So print this out and give to em.

Act 4 - Scene 10:

Rid Your Pet of Fleas!

Fleas... this word alone conjures an image of ruthless, blood sucking

parasites and in many ways, this description is correct. Fleas are

members of what I call the M.N.W.R.U. (Mother Nature’s Waste Reduction

Union). Unfortunately, fleas never go on strike and unfortunately they

fully understand their job description.

A flea’s job description in nature is to suck the blood from animals and

they are more naturally found on dead carcasses. Unfortunately, fleas

don’t realize that our animals are alive. However, because so many pets

are not as healthy as they should or could be, fleas may become

attracted to a pet’s body. We must try and get your pet to optimal

health because otherwise to fleas, your pet’s skin may be similar to

that of a dead carcass.

Realizing that fleas are only trying to do their job, a job which in

Nature’s scheme of things is very important, we can begin to help

minimize the numbers of fleas that hop on to our pets and maximize the

number of fleas that hop off.

To help fleas hop off our pets, one should try to minimize the amount of

toxins that enter your companion and maximize the toxins that leave.

In my opinion, the idea of chemical flea sprays, flea baths, flea

collars and so on is ludicrous. These products form the basic arsenal to

attack and kill fleas at the moment. I realize fleas can be a problem

and one wants to eliminate them as of yesterday, but to what degree is

one willing to accomplish this?

Your pet’s skin is not immune to chemicals or poisons. It is important

that we, the guardians of pets, become more educated. The arsenal used

to rid pets of fleas should be sound common sense, natural products, and

wholesome food.

Fleas like some bacteria and other parasites can build resistance to

chemical means of getting rid of them. In fact, the fleas usually come

back stronger and more resistant after the use of chemicals. In

addition, chemicals may attack your pet’s own natural defense systems

and may harm organs like the liver and kidneys.

I often wonder how some veterinarians can suggest chemical flea products

when the labels state “do not expose to your skin”. If it’s not safe to

touch our skin, then what are we doing applying them to our pets?!?

Modern technology may create synthetic solutions to get rid of the

spiny, strong legged flea, but what are the long term consequences?

We wonder why so many pets suffer from auto immune disease, allergies,

cancer, and other maladies that are now considered 'normal'.

The people that use chemical products are probably also the people that

will tell you that using leeches to draw blood is a crazy idea.

Something is definitely wrong in my opinion with chemicals.

Some may say that chemicals are okay because the LD50 value is low thus

making the product safe. Well, the LD50 value is used to describe the

“lethal dose” required to kill 50 rats out of 100. The way I look at it

is 50 dead rats is 50 too many, regardless of how weak the poison.

In addition, one may ask how long do these poisons remain before they

break down and become neutralized. Some weak poisons may stay around for

a long time which in turn can make them more lethal over the long term.

For immediate relief, some vets may suggest cortisone or they may

suggest your pet be put on some program. Now I’m no expert on these

products, but some will say cortisone can cause vitamin A and C

deficiencies; mineral deficiencies, and may harm the liver and kidneys.

Many vets will say they are safe for use, but once again I always ask

myself, how many dogs and cats have autoimmune disorder, kidney or liver

problems? The answer is way too many.

So What’s A Natural Solution?

Well, let’s begin with feeding wholesome homemade food. This will help

minimize the toxins that enter your pet’s body and maximize the the

toxins that leave. This in turn helps create normal and healthy skin.

Immediately this helps to create the environment of a healthy animal,

not a dead one. Fleas don’t like this and begin looking for a new toxic

environment.

Now don’t expect wholesome homemade food to get rid of every flea and

don’t expect it to work over night. There are many factors that get

involved in determining whether or not there will be a flea problem

including, but not limited to, the area in which you live, the climate,

time of year and so on.

The good news is that people who feed wholesome homemade food tend to

experience fewer fleas and sometimes no fleas as their companions begin

their journey on the road of health.

If you have ever read books like Dr. Pitcairn’s Complete Guide to

Natural Health for Dogs and Cats you will notice that for skin problems

like fleas, ringworm, mange, ticks to name a few, it is suggested that

people should ensure their companion is getting enough of the mineral

called sulphur. Sulphur helps with skin problems.

Garlic is said to repel fleas, and it does, but not because of its

odour. It does so because it has a high sulphur content. Equally

important to ensuring that your companion gets enough sulphur, one needs

to ensure your companion can utilize the sulphur. You can be feeding

foods high in sulphur, but if your pets can’t utilize the sulphur, then

the sulphur is useless. The best way, in my opinion, to ensure your

companion is utilizing nutrients of all kinds is to feed wholesome,

natural foods with good supplements..... the key word again is balance.

In order for the body to function properly, certain nutrients must be in

a certain ratio to another. For example, calcium and phosphorus have

their own unique ratio. If the body is out of balance, you may need the

help of a holistic veterinarian who understands nutrition to get the

body back in balance. Sometimes though, the body will rebalance itself.

But we are talking about fleas. You’ve minimized the toxins entering the

body by eliminating chemicals, you’re feeding homemade food, sulphur is

coming into the body, so.... what else can be done?

Well, in addition to minimizing the toxins entering the body, we can

help maximize the toxins leaving by introducing some herbs that aid the

body in detoxifying. You can view the product list for remedies that

help with detoxifying. Even if your pet doesn't have fleas, it's always

a good idea to help purify the blood, aid the kidneys, liver and

lymphatic system.

Obviously, constantly washing the bedding and vacuuming your carpets is

another good idea that helps with flea problems.

From a herbal standpoint, a good herbal shampoo can be used to help

wash off any toxins and clean the skin. I personally do not use shampoos

that contain artificial ingredients like propylene glycol. Once again,

the product list will outline some really great herbal shampoos!

I also prefer to stay away from products that contain herbs like

cedarwood, pennyroyal, citronella, eucalyptus, and tea tree oil.

It is true that many use these herbs, but we must remember that our pets

have a sense of smell 1000 times more powerful than ours. Since the

above mentioned herbs are strong smelling, they will give your pets a

nauseous feeling, migraines and more.

These products may be suitable for humans, but they should be kept away

from dogs and cats. If you don’t believe me, put some tea tree oil under

your dog or cat’s nose and watch them turn away!

In addition, these products can irritate the skin and we must always

remember that any product that goes onto the skin of our pets should be

safe to be licked internally. For example, even if pennyroyal had a soft

aroma, we still must remember that this herb is lethal and has been used

to induce abortions. Pennyroyal should only be used while under the

direct supervision of a master herbalist. It is reported that only

50mg/kg of pennyroyal oil can be lethal.

These products sell quite well because just like with commercial pet

foods, it is the human that is buying these products and not the pets.

Our pets don’t have a choice. They rely on you.

The manufacturers of these products market them towards the humans

because it is humans who buy. They realize that humans think these

products are good and are capitalizing on this fact. Here again, this is

a situation in which human health is confused with animal health. I find

that people who make products for humans and convert them to use for

pets, generally are unaware of the differences between pets and humans

(I say generally because there are exceptions).

What’s The Herbal Flea Alternative For Pets?

I like to use the ancient herb called erigeron. Very rare, this herb

dates back to Medieval times when the herb was burnt as a smudge stick

to clear the air of insects. This herb is still used by native Indians

who make a tea from it.

Luckily, erigeron does not overpower your dog or cat’s sense of smell.

It helps to deter, zap and exterminate fleas naturally because of its

aroma. It is soothing and healing to the skin. If licked internally it

is said to aid digestion.

I personally have used erigeron flea application on myself when I was

hiking to help get rid of the bugs. I’ve also used erigeron to remove an

itch created by my knapsack. I always keep it on hand for immediate use

on either my pets or myself.

I've also seen erigeron literally make fleas jump off one cat that had a

major infestation.

Now I know what you are thinking, you’re saying, if this herb is so

good, why doesn’t everyone use it. Well, the truth is that erigeron is

classified as a weed by many. It’s common name is Canadian Fleabane and

is probably growing in a forest or pasture near you, but because it is a

weed, farmers don’t grow it.

Erigeron will over take the land if planted and so farmers fearing the

loss of their fields, terminate it. In addition, erigeron can only be

harvested for one week out of the year. Truly, erigeron is an

interesting herb.

Erigeron is the only product I suggest you use to get rid of fleas

naturally. I wouldn't use any other product or any other brand.

So to help with fleas, the following products are available through

all-the-best.com:

*

FleaBane Shampoo 16oz

<http://www.all-the-best.com/Merchant/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY & Store_Code=2001 & Ca\

tegory_Code=Flea>

*

FleaBane Spray 16oz

<http://www.all-the-best.com/Merchant/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY & Store_Code=2001 & Ca\

tegory_Code=Flea>

You can use one or both of the above products. Generally speaking, the

Erigeron spray not only helps to rid your pet of fleas, but also helps

to soothe and heal the skin.

For around the home or yard, I like to suggest a natural product called

" Greg's Green Earth " as it helps to effectively eliminate fleas. Made

from calcium based salt covered in natural oils, a product like this

will stick to the fleas and then dehydrate them rather than poison them.

Clearly a better choice than chemicals you spray in your home. A product

like this which is environmentally friendly will not harm your pets, you

or your family.

Unfortunately, I do not know where to currently get Greg's Green Earth.

What About Brewer’s Yeast?

Although many products contain brewer’s yeast, I prefer to stay away

from yeast of all kinds. Companies use yeast because they know people

expect it in the product. It is highly unlikely though that brewer’s

yeast gets rid of fleas. Some may swear by it, I only swear at it.

Yeast is extremely hard for carnivores to digest. Remember, carnivores

have short intestinal tracts in comparison to us humans. Yeast therefore

can be stuck in your companion’s intestinal tract undigested. As a

result of being undigested, some say yeast can trigger allergies in pets.

In addition, yeast is said to cause a calcium deficiency in pets because

the calcium to phosphorus ratio found in yeast is out of balance with

that of a carnivore’s. Some may say yeast is needed for its nutrition,

especially the B vitamins, but if you’re feeding raw meats, then your

pet should be getting all of the B vitamins it needs. Raw meat is an

excellent source of B vitamins.

The idea behind using yeast may be okay for humans, but not pets. Most

people are aware that vitamin B1, which is found in yeast, may help get

rid of bugs on humans. Supposedly, vitamin B1 comes out through your

pores and creates an aroma bugs don’t like. Well, unfortunately dogs and

cats don’t sweat except for on their paws. So, if you want to eliminate

fleas from the paws of your pets, then maybe yeast isn’t so bad. But

seriously, you will probably find your pet will do better without yeast.

Just remember, something can be an excellent source for nutrition, but

if your body cannot utilize the nutrition, then it isn’t such a good

source after all.

This comes from: http://pet-grub.com/appendixA/scene10.pets

--

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

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Oh Don Quai....

I've read this arcticle along time ago. I guess I needed that

refresher, BTW is this from the Bearbyte website?????????????????.

I heard as well after researching erigeron that it wasn't safe, so

once again I become conused. I do have some of this stuff and it is

woooexpensive, like 10bucks a 1/4 oz. So maybe I need to find the

herb and make my own infusion for rinsing (hense a flea dip). So

again this arcticle goes against what we were saying about the eo's

being good flea repellants. And the sulpher he says is good but

kind of looses me as he writes about it..so I am assuming sulpher is

a natural componant of a good raw diet -yes-?

So again I am back to square one. I can lead the horses to water

but cannot make them drink. So there are gointo be pet owners who

refuse to feed raw no matter how they feel about it, so what than,

do I let the pet continue to chew on itself to the point of not only

self inflicted wounds but flea sucking wounds, not to mention the

consant state of irritation they feel, because that has got to be

similiar to insanity in a human. What a dilemma. I will continue

to use Bronners w/ my less expensive eo's. I will no longer

recommend nutritional yeast, I will look into producing and using

erigeron. And I hope I am on the right path here cuz I truly feel

like I am only temporarily at best helping. Besides the actual

cutting of the hair that is.

Pam

==============================

> > Hi Pam,

>

> So print this out and give to em.

>

> Act 4 - Scene 10:

> Rid Your Pet of Fleas!

>

> Fleas... this word alone conjures an image of ruthless, blood

sucking

> parasites and in many ways, this description is correct. Fleas are

> members of what I call the M.N.W.R.U. (Mother Nature's Waste

Reduction

> Union). Unfortunately, fleas never go on strike and unfortunately

they

> fully understand their job description.

>

> A flea's job description in nature is to suck the blood from

animals and

> they are more naturally found on dead carcasses. Unfortunately,

fleas

> don't realize that our animals are alive. However, because so many

pets

> are not as healthy as they should or could be, fleas may become

> attracted to a pet's body. We must try and get your pet to optimal

> health because otherwise to fleas, your pet's skin may be similar

to

> that of a dead carcass.

>

> Realizing that fleas are only trying to do their job, a job which

in

> Nature's scheme of things is very important, we can begin to help

> minimize the numbers of fleas that hop on to our pets and maximize

the

> number of fleas that hop off.

>

> To help fleas hop off our pets, one should try to minimize the

amount of

> toxins that enter your companion and maximize the toxins that

leave.

>

> In my opinion, the idea of chemical flea sprays, flea baths, flea

> collars and so on is ludicrous. These products form the basic

arsenal to

> attack and kill fleas at the moment. I realize fleas can be a

problem

> and one wants to eliminate them as of yesterday, but to what

degree is

> one willing to accomplish this?

>

> Your pet's skin is not immune to chemicals or poisons. It is

important

> that we, the guardians of pets, become more educated. The arsenal

used

> to rid pets of fleas should be sound common sense, natural

products, and

> wholesome food.

>

> Fleas like some bacteria and other parasites can build resistance

to

> chemical means of getting rid of them. In fact, the fleas usually

come

> back stronger and more resistant after the use of chemicals. In

> addition, chemicals may attack your pet's own natural defense

systems

> and may harm organs like the liver and kidneys.

>

> I often wonder how some veterinarians can suggest chemical flea

products

> when the labels state " do not expose to your skin " . If it's not

safe to

> touch our skin, then what are we doing applying them to our pets?!?

>

> Modern technology may create synthetic solutions to get rid of the

> spiny, strong legged flea, but what are the long term consequences?

>

> We wonder why so many pets suffer from auto immune disease,

allergies,

> cancer, and other maladies that are now considered 'normal'.

>

> The people that use chemical products are probably also the people

that

> will tell you that using leeches to draw blood is a crazy idea.

> Something is definitely wrong in my opinion with chemicals.

>

> Some may say that chemicals are okay because the LD50 value is low

thus

> making the product safe. Well, the LD50 value is used to describe

the

> " lethal dose " required to kill 50 rats out of 100. The way I look

at it

> is 50 dead rats is 50 too many, regardless of how weak the poison.

>

> In addition, one may ask how long do these poisons remain before

they

> break down and become neutralized. Some weak poisons may stay

around for

> a long time which in turn can make them more lethal over the long

term.

>

> For immediate relief, some vets may suggest cortisone or they may

> suggest your pet be put on some program. Now I'm no expert on

these

> products, but some will say cortisone can cause vitamin A and C

> deficiencies; mineral deficiencies, and may harm the liver and

kidneys.

>

> Many vets will say they are safe for use, but once again I always

ask

> myself, how many dogs and cats have autoimmune disorder, kidney or

liver

> problems? The answer is way too many.

>

> So What's A Natural Solution?

>

> Well, let's begin with feeding wholesome homemade food. This will

help

> minimize the toxins that enter your pet's body and maximize the

the

> toxins that leave. This in turn helps create normal and healthy

skin.

> Immediately this helps to create the environment of a healthy

animal,

> not a dead one. Fleas don't like this and begin looking for a new

toxic

> environment.

>

> Now don't expect wholesome homemade food to get rid of every flea

and

> don't expect it to work over night. There are many factors that

get

> involved in determining whether or not there will be a flea

problem

> including, but not limited to, the area in which you live, the

climate,

> time of year and so on.

>

> The good news is that people who feed wholesome homemade food tend

to

> experience fewer fleas and sometimes no fleas as their companions

begin

> their journey on the road of health.

>

> If you have ever read books like Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to

> Natural Health for Dogs and Cats you will notice that for skin

problems

> like fleas, ringworm, mange, ticks to name a few, it is suggested

that

> people should ensure their companion is getting enough of the

mineral

> called sulphur. Sulphur helps with skin problems.

>

> Garlic is said to repel fleas, and it does, but not because of its

> odour. It does so because it has a high sulphur content. Equally

> important to ensuring that your companion gets enough sulphur, one

needs

> to ensure your companion can utilize the sulphur. You can be

feeding

> foods high in sulphur, but if your pets can't utilize the sulphur,

then

> the sulphur is useless. The best way, in my opinion, to ensure

your

> companion is utilizing nutrients of all kinds is to feed

wholesome,

> natural foods with good supplements..... the key word again is

balance.

>

> In order for the body to function properly, certain nutrients must

be in

> a certain ratio to another. For example, calcium and phosphorus

have

> their own unique ratio. If the body is out of balance, you may

need the

> help of a holistic veterinarian who understands nutrition to get

the

> body back in balance. Sometimes though, the body will rebalance

itself.

>

> But we are talking about fleas. You've minimized the toxins

entering the

> body by eliminating chemicals, you're feeding homemade food,

sulphur is

> coming into the body, so.... what else can be done?

>

> Well, in addition to minimizing the toxins entering the body, we

can

> help maximize the toxins leaving by introducing some herbs that

aid the

> body in detoxifying. You can view the product list for remedies

that

> help with detoxifying. Even if your pet doesn't have fleas, it's

always

> a good idea to help purify the blood, aid the kidneys, liver and

> lymphatic system.

>

> Obviously, constantly washing the bedding and vacuuming your

carpets is

> another good idea that helps with flea problems.

>

> From a herbal standpoint, a good herbal shampoo can be used to

help

> wash off any toxins and clean the skin. I personally do not use

shampoos

> that contain artificial ingredients like propylene glycol. Once

again,

> the product list will outline some really great herbal shampoos!

>

> I also prefer to stay away from products that contain herbs like

> cedarwood, pennyroyal, citronella, eucalyptus, and tea tree oil.

>

> It is true that many use these herbs, but we must remember that

our pets

> have a sense of smell 1000 times more powerful than ours. Since

the

> above mentioned herbs are strong smelling, they will give your

pets a

> nauseous feeling, migraines and more.

>

> These products may be suitable for humans, but they should be kept

away

> from dogs and cats. If you don't believe me, put some tea tree oil

under

> your dog or cat's nose and watch them turn away!

>

> In addition, these products can irritate the skin and we must

always

> remember that any product that goes onto the skin of our pets

should be

> safe to be licked internally. For example, even if pennyroyal had

a soft

> aroma, we still must remember that this herb is lethal and has

been used

> to induce abortions. Pennyroyal should only be used while under

the

> direct supervision of a master herbalist. It is reported that only

> 50mg/kg of pennyroyal oil can be lethal.

>

> These products sell quite well because just like with commercial

pet

> foods, it is the human that is buying these products and not the

pets.

> Our pets don't have a choice. They rely on you.

>

> The manufacturers of these products market them towards the humans

> because it is humans who buy. They realize that humans think these

> products are good and are capitalizing on this fact. Here again,

this is

> a situation in which human health is confused with animal health.

I find

> that people who make products for humans and convert them to use

for

> pets, generally are unaware of the differences between pets and

humans

> (I say generally because there are exceptions).

>

> What's The Herbal Flea Alternative For Pets?

>

> I like to use the ancient herb called erigeron. Very rare, this

herb

> dates back to Medieval times when the herb was burnt as a smudge

stick

> to clear the air of insects. This herb is still used by native

Indians

> who make a tea from it.

>

> Luckily, erigeron does not overpower your dog or cat's sense of

smell.

> It helps to deter, zap and exterminate fleas naturally because of

its

> aroma. It is soothing and healing to the skin. If licked

internally it

> is said to aid digestion.

>

> I personally have used erigeron flea application on myself when I

was

> hiking to help get rid of the bugs. I've also used erigeron to

remove an

> itch created by my knapsack. I always keep it on hand for

immediate use

> on either my pets or myself.

>

> I've also seen erigeron literally make fleas jump off one cat that

had a

> major infestation.

>

> Now I know what you are thinking, you're saying, if this herb is

so

> good, why doesn't everyone use it. Well, the truth is that

erigeron is

> classified as a weed by many. It's common name is Canadian

Fleabane and

> is probably growing in a forest or pasture near you, but because

it is a

> weed, farmers don't grow it.

>

> Erigeron will over take the land if planted and so farmers fearing

the

> loss of their fields, terminate it. In addition, erigeron can only

be

> harvested for one week out of the year. Truly, erigeron is an

> interesting herb.

>

> Erigeron is the only product I suggest you use to get rid of fleas

> naturally. I wouldn't use any other product or any other brand.

>

> So to help with fleas, the following products are available

through

> all-the-best.com:

>

> *

>

> FleaBane Shampoo 16oz

> <http://www.all-the-best.com/Merchant/merchant.mv?

Screen=CTGY & Store_Code=2001 & Category_Code=Flea>

>

> *

>

> FleaBane Spray 16oz

> <http://www.all-the-best.com/Merchant/merchant.mv?

Screen=CTGY & Store_Code=2001 & Category_Code=Flea>

>

> You can use one or both of the above products. Generally speaking,

the

> Erigeron spray not only helps to rid your pet of fleas, but also

helps

> to soothe and heal the skin.

>

> For around the home or yard, I like to suggest a natural product

called

> " Greg's Green Earth " as it helps to effectively eliminate fleas.

Made

> from calcium based salt covered in natural oils, a product like

this

> will stick to the fleas and then dehydrate them rather than poison

them.

> Clearly a better choice than chemicals you spray in your home. A

product

> like this which is environmentally friendly will not harm your

pets, you

> or your family.

>

> Unfortunately, I do not know where to currently get Greg's Green

Earth.

>

> What About Brewer's Yeast?

>

> Although many products contain brewer's yeast, I prefer to stay

away

> from yeast of all kinds. Companies use yeast because they know

people

> expect it in the product. It is highly unlikely though that

brewer's

> yeast gets rid of fleas. Some may swear by it, I only swear at it.

>

> Yeast is extremely hard for carnivores to digest. Remember,

carnivores

> have short intestinal tracts in comparison to us humans. Yeast

therefore

> can be stuck in your companion's intestinal tract undigested. As a

> result of being undigested, some say yeast can trigger allergies

in pets.

>

> In addition, yeast is said to cause a calcium deficiency in pets

because

> the calcium to phosphorus ratio found in yeast is out of balance

with

> that of a carnivore's. Some may say yeast is needed for its

nutrition,

> especially the B vitamins, but if you're feeding raw meats, then

your

> pet should be getting all of the B vitamins it needs. Raw meat is

an

> excellent source of B vitamins.

>

> The idea behind using yeast may be okay for humans, but not pets.

Most

> people are aware that vitamin B1, which is found in yeast, may

help get

> rid of bugs on humans. Supposedly, vitamin B1 comes out through

your

> pores and creates an aroma bugs don't like. Well, unfortunately

dogs and

> cats don't sweat except for on their paws. So, if you want to

eliminate

> fleas from the paws of your pets, then maybe yeast isn't so bad.

But

> seriously, you will probably find your pet will do better without

yeast.

>

> Just remember, something can be an excellent source for nutrition,

but

> if your body cannot utilize the nutrition, then it isn't such a

good

> source after all.

>

> This comes from: http://pet-grub.com/appendixA/scene10.pets

>

> --

> Peace, love and light,

>

> Don Quai

>

> " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams

in the animal and wakes in man. "

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