Flu Shot

November 4, 2007

Well I found one upshot to moving back to Canada. I got my free flu shot

yesterday. In the city I live in the Public Heath Department has flu shot

clinics. They have about 8 - 10 places or more that they set up clinics. I

went to one located in one of the malls. Of course I haven't been able to

lift that arm above my shoulder and it's extremely sore but other than that

I'm hoping to have no other side effects (like a mild case of the flu) from

the shot.

Bel

October 1, 2009

has been getting the 'regular' flu shot for years. The H1N1 flu

shot ...... No . Too new....not enough research.

Subject: Flu Shot

To: polymicrogyria

Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:01 PM

My 7 year old granddaughter, Lindsey has severe PMG/cerebral palsy(quad-parapale

gic). I was just wondering if any of the children on here have had or are going

to have the HINI/flu shot. Her doctors say they can't guarantee that she won't

have a " reaction " of sorts to the shot. The doctors do encourage my daughter to

have Lindsey injected. Given that we are wondering if the benefits outway the

risk of the shot causing a severe reaction. It is a devasting issue when

Lindsey gets sick since she gets her total nutrition from Pedisure and a couple

jars of baby food. She does not as of yet have a feeding tube since she is

thriving. She can't swallow anything but Pedisure or strained jar food. So

it's an ordeal keeping her hydrated when she's sick. Back to my point. We as

a family are trying to help my daughter decide what is best for her as far as

getting the flu shot. I was wondering if any of the kids on here have had one

as of yet

and what, if any, reactions they have had. You mother and fathers all seem to

be so helpful in all matters that concern us. Please advise and thank you so

much.

Blessings,

Bonnie

October 1, 2009

Hi Folks~

I am a firm believer in fully immunizing children. I think that many people who

are " skeptical " or think immunizations are bad are, at best, poorly informed or,

at worst, irresponsible. Our children with PMG already have some serious

respiratory problems. Many of the diseases that can be prevented by immunization

attack the respiratory system, and can be fatal for our children.

Doctors will always tell you that there is some risk involved- that's because

there is risk involved. There's also risk involved crossing the street. I think

the risk of a very serious reaction to the vaccines currently offered is small.

Your child probably runs a greater risk of being struck by lightning.

Anyway, I think everyone should take responsibility for educating themselves on

this matter and to help put an end to the copious amounts of misinformation and

quackery related to the subject of vaccinations. Here's and excellent source of

info on the H1N1 vaccine:

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/acip.htm

I know my views are not very popular, but tough patooties.

Mom to , age 13

October 2, 2009

Sometimes I just feel like banging my head against a wall....

>>> " shots have horrible things in them one being mercury and we give these shots

to tiny babys "

I cannot believe that this garbage still circulates. The amounts of thimerosal

(sodium ethylmercurithiosalicylate)used as a preservative in vaccines was so

minute as to be mind-boggling. It had been used as a preservative in many

vaccines since the earliest ones in the 1920s. But since there was a huge amount

of misinformation and junk science " research " causing a controversy about

thimerosal, its use was largely stopped in North America by 2001. Naturally,

this should have caused a sharp, dramatic decrease in the conditions supposedly

linked to its use. Nothing doing. Not only was there no anomalous change in

North America, there was no change in other countries where thimerosal was still

in use. Let's think about that one for a few minutes. There has not been one

single study done linking thimerosal to autism (or any of the other usual

suspects) that has not been THOROUGHLY DE-BUNKED.

" Tiny babies " are the ones who need protection the most. Do you honestly have

any idea what diseases such as diptheria and pertussis (whooping cough)actually

do to tiny babies and their tiny lungs? Do you know that as recently as 1900, 1

out of 10 babies died before their first birthday, and that as many as 1 in 5

children died by the age of four? The reasons for that rate of mortality in

children was largely due to poor prenatal/infant nutrition, and disease-

diseases that are now preventable.

I'm very sorry if some of you feel offended by my tone, but the amount of

specious claims that circulate regarding vaccinations angers me to no end. My

town had an alarming outbreak of whooping cough in 1996 caused by irresponsible

parents who didn't want to immunize their children. At the time, my son was 4

weeks old. With no natural immunity to this disease, and the respiratory

problems of an infant with PMG, if he had caught it, I'm sure he would have

died.

If someone is so concerned with the perceived dangers of vaccinations as to

discontinue their use, they should educate themselves using real, reputable

sources. And by real, reputable sources I don't mean Fox News, earth-mother type

websites, or your best friend's hairdresser. The Centers for Disease Control has

a great website and information you can trust, compiled by some of the best

immunologists and researchers of our day. Another good compilation on

informational sites can be found at

http://www.vaccineinformation.org/concern.asp .

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> I agree to take precaution in the h1n1 flu shot. I Also agree that shots have

horrible things in them one being mercury and we give these shots to tiny babys.

i think vaccines are important but i think we should wait till our children are

at least a couple years old to give some of them when ur body is bigger it can

handle the chemicals in the shots better. now about the h1n1 the thing is that

as our child have neuro disorders well if our children are to get swine flu they

are at higher risk for complications including it being fatal. i believe its an

86% chance of children with neuro disorders having complications. i am still not

sure if i am gonna get my daughter the h1n1 shot but i am deffintly going to

look into it and i think that all of us should at least check it out. study up

on it with an open mind and see what we think and do what we want. just thought

i would throw that out there.

> Roxanne mother to serininty 3 yrs

unilateral pmg seizures : ( but the happiest litlle girl in the world

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October 2, 2009

I'm going to briefly jump in on this. My daughter is almost 13 and gets her flu

shot and will get N1H1 as well. Because the fever from the flu causes her

epilepsy to flare up and can result in Status. However, we are waiting on HPV.

So I see both sides.

As to autism and vaccines, the fact that autism rates have increased is due to

AWAREMESS and better screening. Much like rates of PMG have gone up with new MRI

technology. My daught was not diagnosed with PMG until she was 11, but was

dianosed with CP at 9 months. She just got a better MRI last year. Does that

mean that she didn't have PMG 3 years ago - or that the name wasn't attached? I

think autism's increase could be looked at in much the same way.

On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:28 PM, " Roxanne Bartlett "

wrote:

Agreed.sorry if i came across as anitvaccines. vaccines are important they keep

our children from getting diseases which cause death or dibilitaing

circumstances. autism has not been linked to vaccines but they alsos have not

proven that vaccines do not cause autism. i believe its 1 in 60 children have

autism now. autism rates have gone up since we have been giving more and more

vaccines thats why people believe it is the shots causing it. VAccines are

important my daughter has gotten every single one of hers and not getting them

can result in horrible illnesses. but i still dont like the fact that my

daughter got 20 vaccines in her first year of life it just bothers me . all i

was trying to say in the last message was this h1n1 flu shot is important and

something we need to look in to and keep an open mind about any of us healthy

adults can get swine flu and get prescribed tamaflu and get better no problem

without the h1n1 shot but our children may not

be able to so check it out. well i had wrote a much longer e-mail earlier but

accidently deleted it so i am just gonna finish this one here.

-ROX

October 3, 2009

I am faced with this decision also - do I vaccinate Tommy who is 5 months or

not. My older son Harry is fully vaccinated at 2 years.

But I am so scared because they do say that children should be in good health

when vaccinated....and Tom has a poor immune system currently. I feel like I am

damned if I do and damned if I don't. I struggle with this decision every day.

Tommy's respiratory system is so weak, he is at risk of catching

everything....but he is also at risk of the other drugs they put into

vaccinations. Some reading below that makes my decisions harder each day.

Do we believe this, or believe we are protecting our children? Hard choice for

each of us...there really is no right or wrong. We only want what is best for

our little ones.

- from Brisbane, Australia

AH1N1 (2009) Swine Flu Vaccine

Australian campaign to start September 30th, 2009

Saturday, September 19th, 2009 - For Immediate Release:

The AMA and Insurers ask for delays in swine flu vaccination

- Why is the government rushing this campaign?

Australian Minister for Health, Nicola Roxon, has announced that the nation's

campaign to vaccinate 21 million Australians against the AH1N1 2009 strain of

influenza is due to begin on Saturday, September 30th - less than 2 weeks from

today. Since the Southern Hemisphere has already passed through the 2009 flu

season, one has to wonder why the government is rushing this campaign?

The Australian Government's hasty vaccination policy demonstrates that it is not

immune to panic. It is potentially making the same mistake that the US did in

1976 when 40 million Americans were vaccinated against swine flu after a total

of 5 cases were confirmed nationwide. This campaign killed 25 people and caused

4,000 serious adverse reactions - many of them Guillain-Barre paralysis (GBS), a

serious neurological disorder. The UK has already warned its neurologists to

look out for GBS in recipients of the current AH1N1 vaccine.

Nicola Roxon's knee-jerk reaction in rushing this vaccine through despite

warnings by insurance companies, the Australian Medical Association and consumer

safety groups like the AVN, could lead to far more deaths and hospitalisations

from the vaccine than we would ever see from the swine flu which, from all the

available information, may be milder than normal seasonal flu.

The Australian Vaccination Network asks the government to reconsider this

campaign for the following reasons:

1- The vaccine, which does not even have a name yet (I will refer to it as AH1N1

vaccine), is produced by CSL Pty Ltd (click here to read the manufacturer's

information). It contains 24.5 mcg of Thiomersal per dose. Thiomersal is a toxic

mercury-based preservative which has been banned from over the counter

medications and products for decades and childhood vaccines in Australia, the US

and the UK for many years. Mercury has been linked with an increased risk of

autism (now affecting 1:67 children; 1:38 boys), behavioural disorders and brain

damage in both children and adults - it has no place in any product which is

supposed to increase or protect health.

2- AH1N1 vaccine, which is laden with toxic mercury, is targeting those who are

the most vulnerable to permanent brain damage from exposure to this banned

poison - the unborn, children and those who are already immune-compromised. This

policy borders on madness and one has to wonder where the funds are going to

come from to pay compensation claims for those who are killed or injured by

these shots?

3- For purely economic reasons, AH1N1 vaccine is being distributed in multi-dose

vials, greatly increasing the risk of transmission of infection from person to

person. As a result, insurance companies and the government have refused to

indemnify doctors who administer this vaccine.

4. The AMA's President, Pesce, has asked the Federal Government to

" seriously consider " delaying the rollout of this vaccine, " due to inadequate

testing and a higher risk of infection from multi-dose vials. " This request

seems to have been ignored.

5- The vaccine is not tested for effectiveness. According to the manufacturer,

there have been no controlled clinical studies demonstrating a decrease in

influenza disease after vaccination with either the normal seasonal flu vaccine,

AFLURIA, or the AH1N1 vaccine.

6- There are great safety concerns regarding this vaccine. Even though it is

going to be administered to millions, it has only been tested for a few short

weeks in less than 2,000 individuals. Even in such a small trial group, severe

allergic reactions including life-threatening anaphylactic shock, have been

reported.

7- The bias in the manufacturer's pre-licensure studies is evident due to the

fact that there was no placebo used. In testing this vaccine, those who were

given what they were told was a placebo (by medical definition, a totally inert

substance), were in fact being dosed with a solution containing toxic mercury.

The TGA does not perform safety or effectiveness tests on any vaccines

themselves, relying on manufacturers to test prior to licensing. They should not

have allowed this unscientific methodology. The TGA is not government funded and

relies solely on pharmaceutical licensing fees.

8- When AH1N1 vaccine had the Thiomersal (mercury) preservative removed (Study 2

below) and was tested on a small group of elderly people in the UK, the number

of reactions, though still considerable, was cut by 50% and more for some

conditions.

New study demonstrates significant harm from just ONE mercury-containing vaccine

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A new study, just published in the journal Neurotoxicology, found that primates

that received just ONE vaccination containing Thiomersal, the

mercury-preservative found in many vaccines including the new AH1N1 (swine flu)

shot, had significant neurological impairment when compared with those who

received a saline solution injection or no injection at all. Please note that

the amount of Thiomersal was adjusted for weight and that these primates

received only 2mcg - the new Swine Flu vaccine contains 24.5mcg or 49 times the

FDA allowable daily limit for an adult.

According to Dr. Wakefield, Executive Director of Thoughtful House and a

co-investigator of the project, " What is particularly concerning is that in

spite of the recommendation to remove Thiomersal from vaccines a decade ago,

millions of people, many of them children and pregnant mothers, are about to get

mercury in their shots. Thiomersal is still routinely used in Hepatitis B and

numerous other vaccines world-wide. "

The implications for Australia's new national campaign which is targeting

pregnant women as its first recipients are frightening.

The Australian Vaccination Network, a national vaccine safety and health lobby

group, urges the Federal government and Minister Roxon to err on the side of

caution when it comes to administering untested vaccines containing mercury to

those who are the most vulnerable. Surely when weighing up the risk of

significant brain damage from Thiomersal preservatives against an influenza

which has been shown to be milder than seasonal flu, we must say that the risk

of the vaccine is greater than the risk of the flu. In addition, if this vaccine

has not been shown to be safe in children under the age of 10, surely foetuses

should likewise be excluded.

Below is the abstract of the study:

Abstract:

This study examined whether acquisition of neonatal reflexes and sensorimotor

skills in newborn rhesus macaques (Macaca mulatta) is influenced by receipt of

the single neonatal dose of Hepatitis B (HB) vaccine containing the preservative

thimerosal (Th). HB vaccine containing a standardized weight-adjusted Th dose

was administered to male macaques within 24 hours of birth (n=13). Unexposed

animals received saline placebo (n=4) or no injection (n=3). Infants were raised

identically and tested daily for acquisition of 9 survival, motor, and

sensorimotor reflexes by a blinded observer. In exposed animals there was a

significant delay in the acquisition of three survival reflexes: root, snout and

suck, compared with unexposed animals. No neonatal responses were significantly

delayed in unexposed animals compared with exposed. Gestational age (GA) and

birth weight were not significantly correlated. regression models were used

to evaluate the main effects and interactions of exposure with birth weight and

GA as independent predictors and time-invariant covariates. Significant main

effects remained for exposure on root and suck when controlling for GA and birth

weight such that exposed animals were relatively delayed in time-to-criterion.

There was a significant effect of GA on visual follow far when controlling for

exposure such that increasing GA was associated with shorter time-to-criterion.

Interaction models indicated that while there were no main effects of GA or

birth weight on root, suck or snout reflexes there were various interactions

between exposure, GA, and birth weight such that inclusion of the relevant

interaction terms significantly improved model fit. This, in turn, indicated

important influences of birth weight and/or GA on the effect of exposure which,

in general, operated in a way that lower birth weight and/or lower GA

exacerbated the detrimental effect of vaccine exposure. This primate model

provides a possible means of assessing adverse neurodevelopmental outcomes from

neonatal Th-containing HB vaccine exposure, particularly in infants of lower GA

or low birth weight. The mechanism of these effects and therequirements for Th

is not known and requires further study.

The AVN is a non-profit, volunteer-run charitable association. Since 1994, the

AVN has provided information and support to the general community who are trying

to make informed choices about vaccination and health. Their lobbying in Federal

Parliament has ensured that compulsory vaccination for children has not come to

pass and they are the major reporters of vaccine adverse reactions to ADRAC (The

Adverse Drug Reactions Advisory Committee).

For more information visit www.avn.org.au or ph 02 6687 1699

Fax: 02 6687 2032 Mobile: 0414 872 032

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> Agreed.sorry if i came across as anitvaccines. vaccines are important they

keep our children from getting diseases which cause death or dibilitaing