Introduction

[Guest guest]

Thank you everyone for the warm welcome! Carol, I'll ask my Dr. about Darvon.

I tried Darvocet - which also contains tyelnol but not Darvon yet.

Blessings,

I

have not found Darvon to make me feel weird. Maybe it's something that would

work for you; talk to your doc about it.

[Guest guest]

<Do u have spinal stenosis or

cord compression? if any of those things occur-they will have to do surgery.>

Hi Vali,

There's no cord compression and only a very slight degree of spinal stenosis

shows on the MRI's. I have no nerve damage or weakness in extremeties. After I

had the discogram I got on the net and did quite a bit of research on fusing

three c-spine verterbra (mine are C3-4, c4-5 and c6-7) and found that unless

there's imminent danger of paralysis, fusing three vertebra at my age isn't a

good idea. It puts tremendous pressure on the remaining discs and will

eventually cause damage to the remaining healthy discs. I was actually relieved

that the Dr. (neurosurgeon) made the same recommendation. I was kind of hoping

for a miracle, perhaps he knew of a therapy/drug/surgery that I hadn't already

heard of.

This weekend I tried to tough it out and only take Motrin during the day and two

Ultracets in the afternoon with valium for sleep at night. It worked okay, but

I was still in a lot of pain and was unable to do much. I'm really trying to

not tox my body out with drugs. It's a frustrating balance. I'm going to call

the Dr. today about Darvon and see what he thinks.

Thanks for the support!

Blessings,

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

My name is and I've just joined this site in order to gain some

perspective on my Mother. Phew! I could write a book about her. Basically,

she

abandoned me and my 2 brothers when we were children and we were raised in the

group home/ foster care system in England. She would drift in and out of our

lives, promising to visit us and then not showing up, or arriving unannounced -

and always with a new man in tow.

She physically abused us when we stayed with her but since I left her 'care'

at aged 3, although I have the awful physical scars, I don't have the

memories. I recall her fighting with my father in the street and the police

telling

her to take me. She did, but tired of me after a few days and left me in an

abandoned car.

When I was 14, I visited her for the first in my life. I was SO excited, I

could barely focus. She made me a plate of food and told me what it cost her

to buy it, and got mad at me because I offered to babysit her 2 young children

and screamed at me to get out because she had never needed me in the past and

didn't intend to start then. I couldn't believe my own ears. My own Mother,

the Mother I lay in bed dreaming of at night, was using vile words and telling

me to get out? The visit lasted less than a day instead of the week that was

planned. I was brokenhearted. I wrote to her but my letters were returned.

I did not know then that I would not see her again for 30 years.

When I was about 15, she emigrated to Australia and didn't tell me or my 2

brothers - both of whom now lived apart from me in separate institutions. One

day, long after I was 30, out of the blue, I received a letter from her -

delivered via the Police - a typically dramatic thing for her to do. And so the

adult/adult relationship began.

It has been nothing short of horrendous. She picks me up in her life and

drops me at a whim - just like when I was a little girl. One day, she'll call

me

a sweetheart and the next she'll inform me that it's best if we never speak

to each other again. I can't count how many times she has done this. She

insults me, and my husband (who she has never met) and has nothing to say about

my

children. (She has never met them either of them and has no interest in

them. For many years she lied to everyone about her age and denied she had

grandkids because she didn't want people to know how old she was.) She is

completely self-obsessed.

Then she changed her name to mine. I can't tell you what this felt like. It

was a terrible slap-in-the-face emotionally. AND yet still I tried to have a

normal relationship with her. Still I cried and raged inside with the hurt

and grief that this relationship put me through. I even arranged to visit her

in Australia. The day before I was due to visit, (very nervous by this

stage!), she called and said she wished I wasn't coming. I took the long trip

anyway and it was a complete disaster. We hadn't even reached her home (we were

still in a cab) when she started telling me how she lost her virginity to my

Father (then already deceased). We weren't alone in the cab, we were with her

boyfriend whom I'd never met, and I was excrutuiatingly embarrassed and

uncomfortable.

We had a very strained supper in which she asked me not to mention my past

(!) and the next day, she casually remarked about what an easy life I had had

compared to hers. Honestly, I felt like smacking her. I couldn't beleive she

would make such a statement. Apart from all the trauma as a result of my

parents abandonment, I was woidowed when I was 23 and diagnosed with cancer when

I

was 27. What had happened to her in her life was basically that she chased

men, had kids, dumped them, chased more men, had more kids, emigrated, chased

more men and so on. I didn't like being compared to her in any way and I hated

that all her 'friends " called her by my name. Once again, the visit lasted 1

day - which left me pretty much alone in Australia with 2 weeks and 6 days on

my hands. It was tough, really tough, knowing that for the first time in my

life I was in the same town as my Mother but not with her. It was like losing

my childhood all over again.

The cycle continues. She is still part of my life when it suits her. She

still insults and abandons me whenever she pleases. I wasn't able to learn the

coping skills in my life as a child or as an adult to know how to effectively

deal with her and the hurt she causes, and even if I'd learned some skills, in

the face of so much unpredictability, who knows how much help they'd have

been. So now I've reached the stage where I still feel the fear that she will

leave me " for ever " but at the same time I experience the desire that she will.

How confused am I? !! She is almost 80 and I don't want my last words to her

to be spoken in anger or resentment or any of the other negative responses

these Mothers of ours can create.

Well, that's a little bit of my story - thanks for reading it. It feels

great to be able to share knowing that people will actually beleive it!

.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Your story is so sad. We have all been rejected in many ways but you were

literally abandoned. Your mother doesn't deserve a kind, compassionate

daughter like you. From what I have been reading about " nada " s it's doubtful

that

they will ever say anything kind ---even with their last breath " .

I am fairly new to this list and have found so much comfort in sharing my

story with others. I hope it will help you, too.

Debbie

> Hi everyone,

>

> My name is and I've just joined this site in order to gain some

> perspective on my Mother. Phew! I could write a book about her.

> Basically, she

> abandoned me and my 2 brothers when we were children and we were raised in

> the

> group home/ foster care system in England. She would drift in and out of

> our

> lives, promising to visit us and then not showing up, or arriving

> unannounced -

> and always with a new man in tow.

>

> She physically abused us when we stayed with her but since I left her 'care'

>

> at aged 3, although I have the awful physical scars, I don't have the

> memories. I recall her fighting with my father in the street and the

> police telling

> her to take me. She did, but tired of me after a few days and left me in an

>

> abandoned car.

>

> When I was 14, I visited her for the first in my life. I was SO excited, I

> could barely focus. She made me a plate of food and told me what it cost

> her

> to buy it, and got mad at me because I offered to babysit her 2 young

> children

> and screamed at me to get out because she had never needed me in the past

> and

> didn't intend to start then. I couldn't believe my own ears. My own

> Mother,

> the Mother I lay in bed dreaming of at night, was using vile words and

> telling

> me to get out? The visit lasted less than a day instead of the week that

> was

> planned. I was brokenhearted. I wrote to her but my letters were returned.

>

> I did not know then that I would not see her again for 30 years.

>

> When I was about 15, she emigrated to Australia and didn't tell me or my 2

> brothers - both of whom now lived apart from me in separate institutions.

> One

> day, long after I was 30, out of the blue, I received a letter from her -

> delivered via the Police - a typically dramatic thing for her to do. And so

> the

> adult/adult relationship began.

>

> It has been nothing short of horrendous. She picks me up in her life and

> drops me at a whim - just like when I was a little girl. One day, she'll

> call me

> a sweetheart and the next she'll inform me that it's best if we never speak

> to each other again. I can't count how many times she has done this. She

> insults me, and my husband (who she has never met) and has nothing to say

> about my

> children. (She has never met them either of them and has no interest in

> them. For many years she lied to everyone about her age and denied she had

> grandkids because she didn't want people to know how old she was.) She is

> completely self-obsessed.

>

> Then she changed her name to mine. I can't tell you what this felt like.

> It

> was a terrible slap-in-the-face emotionally. AND yet still I tried to have

> a

> normal relationship with her. Still I cried and raged inside with the hurt

> and grief that this relationship put me through. I even arranged to visit

> her

> in Australia. The day before I was due to visit, (very nervous by this

> stage!), she called and said she wished I wasn't coming. I took the long

> trip

> anyway and it was a complete disaster. We hadn't even reached her home (we

> were

> still in a cab) when she started telling me how she lost her virginity to my

>

> Father (then already deceased). We weren't alone in the cab, we were with

> her

> boyfriend whom I'd never met, and I was excrutuiatingly embarrassed and

> uncomfortable.

>

> We had a very strained supper in which she asked me not to mention my past

> (!) and the next day, she casually remarked about what an easy life I had

> had

> compared to hers. Honestly, I felt like smacking her. I couldn't beleive

> she

> would make such a statement. Apart from all the trauma as a result of my

> parents abandonment, I was woidowed when I was 23 and diagnosed with cancer

> when I

> was 27. What had happened to her in her life was basically that she chased

> men, had kids, dumped them, chased more men, had more kids, emigrated,

> chased

> more men and so on. I didn't like being compared to her in any way and I

> hated

> that all her 'friends " called her by my name. Once again, the visit lasted

> 1

> day - which left me pretty much alone in Australia with 2 weeks and 6 days

> on

> my hands. It was tough, really tough, knowing that for the first time in my

>

> life I was in the same town as my Mother but not with her. It was like

> losing

> my childhood all over again.

>

> The cycle continues. She is still part of my life when it suits her. She

> still insults and abandons me whenever she pleases. I wasn't able to learn

> the

> coping skills in my life as a child or as an adult to know how to

> effectively

> deal with her and the hurt she causes, and even if I'd learned some skills,

> in

> the face of so much unpredictability, who knows how much help they'd have

> been. So now I've reached the stage where I still feel the fear that she

> will

> leave me " for ever " but at the same time I experience the desire that she

> will.

> How confused am I? !! She is almost 80 and I don't want my last words to

> her

> to be spoken in anger or resentment or any of the other negative responses

> these Mothers of ours can create.

>

> Well, that's a little bit of my story - thanks for reading it. It feels

> great to be able to share knowing that people will actually beleive it!

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow. Thank you for sharing that. I can relate so much to you saying

that she insults your husband who she has never met and couldn't

give a lick about your kids. My mom has seen my husband only 3

times and all 3 times he walked around on eggshells around her

making sure to not say a single thing that might in any way offend

her...and trust me..it is almost impossible to not offend her.

However she calls him trash, redneck, junk etc. even though she

doens't know him. After I was married 6 months she told me the very

sound of his voice made her want to vomit b/c he had a southern

accent and to her his accent made him sound uneducated and she

couldn't " tolerate " it. She can't tolerate anything so what's new.

I am so sorry for the pain your mother has caused you. I am so glad

you are here though b/c just hearing your story makes me feel that I

am not alone.

> Hi everyone,

>

> My name is and I've just joined this site in order to gain

some

> perspective on my Mother. Phew! I could write a book about her.

Basically, she

> abandoned me and my 2 brothers when we were children and we were

raised in the

> group home/ foster care system in England. She would drift in and

out of our

> lives, promising to visit us and then not showing up, or arriving

unannounced -

> and always with a new man in tow.

>

> She physically abused us when we stayed with her but since I left

her 'care'

> at aged 3, although I have the awful physical scars, I don't have

the

> memories. I recall her fighting with my father in the street and

the police telling

> her to take me. She did, but tired of me after a few days and

left me in an

> abandoned car.

>

> When I was 14, I visited her for the first in my life. I was SO

excited, I

> could barely focus. She made me a plate of food and told me what

it cost her

> to buy it, and got mad at me because I offered to babysit her 2

young children

> and screamed at me to get out because she had never needed me in

the past and

> didn't intend to start then. I couldn't believe my own ears. My

own Mother,

> the Mother I lay in bed dreaming of at night, was using vile words

and telling

> me to get out? The visit lasted less than a day instead of the

week that was

> planned. I was brokenhearted. I wrote to her but my letters were

returned.

> I did not know then that I would not see her again for 30 years.

>

> When I was about 15, she emigrated to Australia and didn't tell me

or my 2

> brothers - both of whom now lived apart from me in separate

institutions. One

> day, long after I was 30, out of the blue, I received a letter

from her -

> delivered via the Police - a typically dramatic thing for her to

do. And so the

> adult/adult relationship began.

>

> It has been nothing short of horrendous. She picks me up in her

life and

> drops me at a whim - just like when I was a little girl. One day,

she'll call me

> a sweetheart and the next she'll inform me that it's best if we

never speak

> to each other again. I can't count how many times she has done

this. She

> insults me, and my husband (who she has never met) and has nothing

to say about my

> children. (She has never met them either of them and has no

interest in

> them. For many years she lied to everyone about her age and

denied she had

> grandkids because she didn't want people to know how old she

was.) She is

> completely self-obsessed.

>

> Then she changed her name to mine. I can't tell you what this

felt like. It

> was a terrible slap-in-the-face emotionally. AND yet still I

tried to have a

> normal relationship with her. Still I cried and raged inside with

the hurt

> and grief that this relationship put me through. I even arranged

to visit her

> in Australia. The day before I was due to visit, (very nervous by

this

> stage!), she called and said she wished I wasn't coming. I took

the long trip

> anyway and it was a complete disaster. We hadn't even reached her

home (we were

> still in a cab) when she started telling me how she lost her

virginity to my

> Father (then already deceased). We weren't alone in the cab, we

were with her

> boyfriend whom I'd never met, and I was excrutuiatingly

embarrassed and

> uncomfortable.

>

> We had a very strained supper in which she asked me not to mention

my past

> (!) and the next day, she casually remarked about what an easy

life I had had

> compared to hers. Honestly, I felt like smacking her. I couldn't

beleive she

> would make such a statement. Apart from all the trauma as a

result of my

> parents abandonment, I was woidowed when I was 23 and diagnosed

with cancer when I

> was 27. What had happened to her in her life was basically that

she chased

> men, had kids, dumped them, chased more men, had more kids,

emigrated, chased

> more men and so on. I didn't like being compared to her in any

way and I hated

> that all her 'friends " called her by my name. Once again, the

visit lasted 1

> day - which left me pretty much alone in Australia with 2 weeks

and 6 days on

> my hands. It was tough, really tough, knowing that for the first

time in my

> life I was in the same town as my Mother but not with her. It was

like losing

> my childhood all over again.

>

> The cycle continues. She is still part of my life when it suits

her. She

> still insults and abandons me whenever she pleases. I wasn't able

to learn the

> coping skills in my life as a child or as an adult to know how to

effectively

> deal with her and the hurt she causes, and even if I'd learned

some skills, in

> the face of so much unpredictability, who knows how much help

they'd have

> been. So now I've reached the stage where I still feel the fear

that she will

> leave me " for ever " but at the same time I experience the desire

that she will.

> How confused am I? !! She is almost 80 and I don't want my last

words to her

> to be spoken in anger or resentment or any of the other negative

responses

> these Mothers of ours can create.

>

> Well, that's a little bit of my story - thanks for reading it. It

feels

> great to be able to share knowing that people will actually

beleive it!

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had grown very fond of Dr. Rose. However, it did worry me that she had me on high doses of everything I was taking. After her death, I weaned myself off of the cortisone very slowly because of hearing bad things about taking it long term. I am anxious to see what happens at my appt. Friday because levels on a number of things are too high. I had an appt. with my regular MD today to go over lab work he did last week on some other things and my blood sugar was elevated. I showed him the results from the labs Sullivan had taken and he thinks my hormone levels being off are what is causing the high blood sugar. I also showed him lab results form Dr. Rose, the 4 years that I saw her and he was not happy at all when he saw she had had me on cortisone for so long. I know it is a controversial subject.

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Jan Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:13 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: RE: Introduction

We have another member who was a patient of Rose. She had a hard time finding a doc willing to keep her on the high doses of Armour and hydrocortisone that Rose had prescribed for her. Did you have any problem in that department?

A lot of folks were devastated by the death of Dr. Rose.

Let us know how things go with Sullivan. He is on our list, but we only know one other person who has seen him. Fern Francis <ffran1verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

The doctor I was using was Dr. Fran Rose in Irving. I have recently had my levels tested by Sullivan of Tiena health and have an appt. for a followup with him on Sept. 1st. I am on armour thyroid.

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Jan Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 3:31 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Introduction

Who is your doc, and which thyroid meds does he prescribe?Fern Francis <ffran1verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

Hello,

My name is Fern and I live in the ville, TX area. I am hypothyroid and looking for others in my area who have this condition. The doctor I have been using for the past 4 years recently died so I am working with a new doctor on getting my thyroid and bio-identical hormones balanced. Looking forward to joining your group.

Thank you,

Fern

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

A high Free T3 can cause elevations in blood glucose. An appropriate dose of bio-identical hydrocortisone can lower it, especially when you are under stress. I am a type II diabetic and I would not ever want to be without my low dose hydrocortisone.Fern Francis wrote: I had grown very fond of Dr. Rose. However, it did worry me that she had me on high doses of everything I was taking. After her death, I weaned myself off of the cortisone very slowly because of hearing bad things about taking it long term. I am anxious to see what happens at my appt. Friday because

levels on a number of things are too high. I had an appt. with my regular MD today to go over lab work he did last week on some other things and my blood sugar was elevated. I showed him the results from the labs Sullivan had taken and he thinks my hormone levels being off are what is causing the high blood sugar. I also showed him lab results form Dr. Rose, the 4 years that I saw her and he was not happy at all when he saw she had had me on cortisone for so long. I know it is a controversial subject. From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Jan Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:13 PMTo:

Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: RE: Introduction We have another member who was a patient of Rose. She had a hard time finding a doc willing to keep her on the high doses of Armour and hydrocortisone that Rose had prescribed for her. Did you have any problem in that department? A lot of folks were devastated by the death of Dr. Rose. Let us know how things go with Sullivan. He is on our list, but we only know one other person who has seen him.

Fern Francis <ffran1verizon (DOT) net> wrote: The doctor I was using was Dr. Fran Rose in Irving. I have recently had my levels tested by Sullivan of Tiena health and have an appt. for a followup with him on Sept. 1st. I am on armour thyroid. From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Jan Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 3:31 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re:

Introduction Who is your doc, and which thyroid meds does he prescribe?Fern Francis <ffran1verizon (DOT) net> wrote: Hello, My name is Fern and I live in the ville, TX area. I am hypothyroid and looking for others in my area who have this condition. The doctor I have been using for the past 4 years recently died so I am working with a new doctor on getting my thyroid and bio-identical hormones balanced. Looking forward to joining your group. Thank you, Fern __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Welcome Rocky!

So do you have hypothyroid symptoms other then the weight gain? ...although

I know this is a very distressing symptom.

Kim

introduction

I'm Rocky (female). Years (and years and years) ago I was hyperthyroid and

was put on propylthiouracil. After a couple weeks, I had a nasty reaction,

so was put on a regimen of drinking iodine. Eventually the test values

normalized.

But in the years since, my TSH has fluctuated wildly. Now, however, with

age, I'm gaining weight at a frightening rate ... some 40 lbs.

over the last 8 years, but more rapid rate recently. I made an appointment

with a prominent endocrinologist here in Austin. TSH was

3.3 ... nope, you're fine, he said. Now I read that 3.0 is the preferred

upper limit.

I've listened to my body swinging back and forth between hypo and hyper for

so many years, I know things are not as they should be.

Might add ... retired medical clinic manager.

Rocky

(in Austin)

[Guest guest]

Please write this doc and every doc you have seen for thyroid in our database. Leann Phenix wrote: Hi Rocky. I am in Austin too (well, Bertram actually). You didn't happen to see Dr. Blevins did you? He ignored my hypo symptoms for almost 4 years! I even yelled at him one time asking him just what the heck did he think caused my low body temps . . . and he just shrugged his shoulders. I really feel for his patients. Leann

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[Guest guest]

Hi Rocky. I am in Austin too (well, Bertram actually). You didn't happen to see Dr. Blevins did you? He ignored my hypo symptoms for almost 4 years! I even yelled at him one time asking him just what the heck did he think caused my low body temps . . . and he just shrugged his shoulders. I really feel for his patients. Leann

-----Original Message-----From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ]On Behalf Of rocky_sg2Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:53 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: introduction

I'm Rocky (female). Years (and years and years) ago I was hyperthyroid and was put on propylthiouracil. After a couple weeks, I had a nasty reaction, so was put on a regimen of drinking iodine. Eventually the test values normalized. But in the years since, my TSH has fluctuated wildly. Now, however, with age, I'm gaining weight at a frightening rate ... some 40 lbs. over the last 8 years, but more rapid rate recently. I made an appointment with a prominent endocrinologist here in Austin. TSH was 3.3 ... nope, you're fine, he said. Now I read that 3.0 is the preferred upper limit.I've listened to my body swinging back and forth between hypo and hyper for so many years, I know things are not as they should be.Might add ... retired medical clinic manager.Rocky(in Austin)

[Guest guest]

whichever you prefer is fine by me!

STL Jane

wrote:

I don't know why the new has not responded to my question but

I'll take the change. Which does group prefer, or Dutchie?

I'll go by either but dutchie is my nick for so many things so I am

comfortable with that too. Just let me know.

If there is a new dutchie in the future, will let her change lol!

Huggz!

Dutchie/cynthia

[Guest guest]

Hey everyone!!

Since I'm new on this listserve thought I'd probably better introduce

myself...

I was born and raised in Anchorage. Graduated from West High School

in 1981. After a brief time at Whitman College, I became partners in

a Bristol Bay red salmon driftnet business. After 7 years of

commercial fishing in summer and working in restaurants or

construction the rest of the year, I decided to return to school. I

attended the University of Washington where I obtained a Bachelor of

Science in Biochemistry (with departmental honors) and a second

Bachelor of Science in Cellular and Molecular Biology. Both degrees

were awarded magna cum laude. I also obtained a minor in history.

During my undergraduate time I participated on a research team in

Medicinal Chemistry, generating a published first author paper.

Deciding to pursue a career in medicine, I was accepted into the

University of Washington School of Medicine, graduating in 2000.

Following medical school, I completed a Family Medicine residency at

a Duke-affiliated program in Concord, North Carolina. I practiced

family medicine in Walla Walla, Washington for a year before deciding

to return to Alaska. Then spent 3 years working ER/Urgent care while

my wife decided whether should wanted to remain in AK. 2 young

daughters. Spent the last year with an older GP and am now quite

frustrated with the " bureacracy of traditional medical office. " I

was lucky enough to get invited to an IMP get together in Chicago at

the AAFP SA (thanks !) last fall and it really got me thinking.

I've spent the last 9 months researching the local environment and

have decided, that while the overhead is significantly higher than it

appears to be elsewhere, the reimbursement also appears to be higher

so I don't think it's a dead zone. I'm ready to GO FOR IT!!!

Any help or help advise would be greatly appreciated.

I'm currently putting together an equipment/supplies. IF anyone still

has a copy of their I love to see it!!

Sorry for the length but thought I should introduce myself...

Cheers!!

Dan Steward