Re: Used, Anti-fungals and Anti-Virals together??

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My son has been on an antifungal with an antiviral since he was 3. He just

turned 5. He started on Valtrex and Nizoral, then switched to Famvir and

Diflucan.

To answer your other question about Diflucan...I recently treated myself

very effectively for yeast with FlorEssence 'tea' and Solaray " Yeast

Cleanse " capsules in lieu of prescription meds, but I'm learning I need to

stay away from my favorite yeast-causing foods to maintain it ;-(

I'm glad you're feeling mostly better. My girlfriend went through the same

thing as you (ruptured appendix that got infected) last summer, but she was

pregnant at the time! She delivered a healthy baby boy (about a month early)

in January. Hang in there!

Kristy

Used, Anti-fungals and Anti-Virals together??

I was curious if any mothers, or anyone on the site has ever been put on

maintenance dose of Anti-Fungals and Anti-Virals together as a

'co-treatment?'

I've never heard it talked about much; and I'm wondering if it is

considered safe for maintenance treatment if BOTH are a problem the

person or child is dealing with??

Anyone ever heard? I'm curious because both have been discussed as

problems and I've not seen or heard Dr. G really talk about both in

terms of co-usage... Such as Nizoral and Favmir? Would the doses just

be lowered- I'm going to talk about my blood tests with my doctor; but

anyone have any good information? Or personal experience?

- [:-/]

[Guest guest]

What a small world; that is exactly what I took in the time span

before I could get in to talk with a doctor about the use of any

antifungal medications...

I bought " Yeast Cleanse " from Solaray as well. I honestly think it

might have helped quite a bit; I looked up all the ingredients and

they all seem to be quite medically backed, especially the first

ingredient listed up at the top (I forget what it is.)

I looked them up on PubMed.com; they had some good things to say about

the items used in Yeast Cleanse.

(The guys at the supplement store just looked at me odd for buying

something from the 'women' section, lol :-) Oh well I guess-rather be

healthy than look 'cool.'

-What is your favorite 'yeast causing food?' I've had to really

'tighten the restrictions' on my diet more than before the

surgery-little to no fruit and nothing to drink but water.

-You said your son has been on Valtrex and Nizoral, then Famvir and

Diflucan for about 2 years? How is he doing; seen some good

improvements from it?

Thanks for the information Kristy- OH, how have your son's Liver

enzymes been the entire time, and what dose has he been using as a

'combo?' I'm curious about mentioning it with my doctor, main concern

is 'toxicity.' He on any other meds/drugs besides the two?

My thoughts are they would likely put me on Nizoral [antifungal] and,

ZOVIRAX-a.k.a.-ZOVIR (Acyclovir or Aciclovir)-generic, [antiviral]...

Anyone used the two?

-

>

> Hi ,

>

> My son has been on an antifungal with an antiviral since he was 3.

He just

> turned 5. He started on Valtrex and Nizoral, then switched to Famvir and

> Diflucan.

>

> To answer your other question about Diflucan...I recently treated myself

> very effectively for yeast with FlorEssence 'tea' and Solaray " Yeast

> Cleanse " capsules in lieu of prescription meds, but I'm learning I

need to

> stay away from my favorite yeast-causing foods to maintain it ;-(

>

> I'm glad you're feeling mostly better. My girlfriend went through

the same

> thing as you (ruptured appendix that got infected) last summer, but

she was

> pregnant at the time! She delivered a healthy baby boy (about a

month early)

> in January. Hang in there!

>

> Kristy

>

> Used, Anti-fungals and Anti-Virals together??

>

>

> I was curious if any mothers, or anyone on the site has ever been

put on

> maintenance dose of Anti-Fungals and Anti-Virals together as a

> 'co-treatment?'

>

> I've never heard it talked about much; and I'm wondering if it is

> considered safe for maintenance treatment if BOTH are a problem the

> person or child is dealing with??

>

> Anyone ever heard? I'm curious because both have been discussed as

> problems and I've not seen or heard Dr. G really talk about both in

> terms of co-usage... Such as Nizoral and Favmir? Would the doses just

> be lowered- I'm going to talk about my blood tests with my doctor; but

> anyone have any good information? Or personal experience?

>

> - [:-/]

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr G consistently uses antivirals, antifungals and (when needed)

antibiotics to help out the immune system.

>

> I was curious if any mothers, or anyone on the site has ever been

put on

> maintenance dose of Anti-Fungals and Anti-Virals together as a

> 'co-treatment?'

>

> I've never heard it talked about much; and I'm wondering if it is

> considered safe for maintenance treatment if BOTH are a problem the

> person or child is dealing with??

>

> Anyone ever heard? I'm curious because both have been discussed as

> problems and I've not seen or heard Dr. G really talk about both in

> terms of co-usage... Such as Nizoral and Favmir? Would the doses

just

> be lowered- I'm going to talk about my blood tests with my doctor;

but

> anyone have any good information? Or personal experience?

>

> - [:-/]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi -

The meds are used together, just started at different

times. The doses are done at therapeutic doses, not

reducing those doses. In fact, the doses are

typically higher than what you'd get for

'maintenance'. Lowering doses (or doing intermittent

tx) from prime therapeutic dose increases the risk of

building resistance to those meds. Stopping and

starting is not a good idea.

When switching the meds, there isn't a rest period in

between. " Rest periods " are not needed. Regular

liver monitoring is needed, but there has not been a

high incidence of liver problems resulting from these

meds. I think once he said he had had to remove 2

patients from antifungals after monitoring for a long

time ... that's since like 1999. In fact, I believe

it's more common for mildly elevated liver enzymes to

go down when starting these 'liver toxic' meds than it

is for them to go up. It certainly was that way w/my

kids. My local unsupportive pediatrician was livid

that they were being started on Diflucan at 100mg per

day when they had slightly elevated liver enzymes

(just barely over the range which most peds still call

a normal result for some reason). When I mentioned

that to Dr G, he said don't worry - the levels will

probably go down pretty quickly once they get on these

meds, that it was elevated due to chronic infection

and would respond well to the meds (not exact quote).

And they did. I recently challenged my local doc

w/my own treatment, and of course they went down, and

went back up when the treatment was stopped.

One protection on the liver issues is to start the med

slowly and reach full dose over a week or two or month

.... cannot remember that detail so well. This reduces

the level of die-off as opposed to double dose first

and stepping back to maintenance dose like is

typically done w/diflucan. Perhaps it's the massive

die-off all at one time that clogs the liver w/toxins

that contributes to hepatic reactions? I dunno.

Antivirals are started that way too if I remember- I

don't think for the purpose of protecting the liver

but just reducing the die-off reaction that can make

one feel soooo yucky.

I don't believe there is any specific 'match-up' as to

'this antifungal' with 'this antiviral'.

HTH-

--- <javanfirkins@...> wrote:

> I was curious if any mothers, or anyone on the site

> has ever been put on

> maintenance dose of Anti-Fungals and Anti-Virals

> together as a

> 'co-treatment?'

>

> I've never heard it talked about much; and I'm

> wondering if it is

> considered safe for maintenance treatment if BOTH

> are a problem the

> person or child is dealing with??

>

> Anyone ever heard? I'm curious because both have

> been discussed as

> problems and I've not seen or heard Dr. G really

> talk about both in

> terms of co-usage... Such as Nizoral and Favmir?

> Would the doses just

> be lowered- I'm going to talk about my blood tests

> with my doctor; but

> anyone have any good information? Or personal

> experience?

>

> - [:-/]

>

>

>

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> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

wrote....

" Perhaps it's the massive die-off all at one time that clogs the

liver w/toxins that contributes to hepatic reactions? "

, I have wondered this exact thing too. Recently, Liver

enzymes became elevated after we reduced the antiviral to a lower

doseage. We increased the antiviral and the liver counts normalized.

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> > I was curious if any mothers, or anyone on the site

> > has ever been put on

> > maintenance dose of Anti-Fungals and Anti-Virals

> > together as a

> > 'co-treatment?'

> >

> > I've never heard it talked about much; and I'm

> > wondering if it is

> > considered safe for maintenance treatment if BOTH

> > are a problem the

> > person or child is dealing with??

> >

> > Anyone ever heard? I'm curious because both have

> > been discussed as

> > problems and I've not seen or heard Dr. G really

> > talk about both in

> > terms of co-usage... Such as Nizoral and Favmir?

> > Would the doses just

> > be lowered- I'm going to talk about my blood tests

> > with my doctor; but

> > anyone have any good information? Or personal

> > experience?

> >

> > - [:-/]

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

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