SMOKING.......JUST THE FACTS

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  SMOKING.......JUST THE FACTS

http://www.drmyattswellnessclub.com/smoking.htm

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And yet, in the utter absence of any proper medical treatment, when I had my

relapse/ brain injury my BP was consistently recorded @ 80/46 -90/50 range

for 3 months. In desperation I started smoking again, 3 organic cigs a day

(nicotine gum did not touch it), which has reliably raised and balanced my

blood pressure. Not saying it’s the best thing, but look at the side effects

of a lot of pharmaceuticals. Anyway to date over a year later, I have yet to

receive ANY treatment for this or any other part of my drastically worsened

condition. May 10th last year I jumped down from about a 35-50% relapse

remitting on the ME functional scale, to 25-30%, on all levels. The

difference is between having ½ a life and being independent, to being

housebound and not managing on my own. So if a few cigs actually help me in

any way, wot tha hell. Aylwin

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I'm not saying that smoking is good for anyone but....If one wants to

rip apart many issues we are subjected to ..if we know about it or

not that will kill us. I am tired of hearing what Cigarettes will do

to you. I smoke, will smoke, plan to smoke and that's just the

FACTS! It's an issue that has been overdone and yet we as smokers pay

for every darned thing nobody else will so we have earned the right

to make that decision for ourselves. I sure wish someone would give

more attention to alcohol that directly and indirectly costs this

nation. There are more laws about alcohol that are broken every day

and yet we still pick on the smoker by denying them the right to even

smoke outside unless in your own yard! It's been a legal substance

and I just dont think this is the right forum to bring this

information to. Ticks me off! There is little I enjoy anymore and

dangit I will smoke, I am in no shape to go through withdrawals now.

Sorry, nothing personal other than I'm sick of having my nose rubbed

in this subject. It's my right and the right of others. It might be

more benificial to talk about things not known such as the breakdown

of what is in some of the drugs many out there take or the lives

alcohol takes yearly. (still not the forum for it I dont believe,

this is for those fighting with enough right now dont you think?)

I just don't see the point!

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Hey ,

I too am a smoker. I was surprised to see this information posted here. I am

assuming it was posted to show how smoking damages the cells, etc. I KNOW that

smoking isn't good for me, the dangers, the consequences that information has

been easily accessible for MANY YEARS NOW. Smokers can read too! lol but I

CHOOSE to do it anyway. Like you, I figure it's one of my last little pleasures

in life and I couldn't handle the withdrawal right now, it's hard enough when

you are healthy, but NOW, when I can do almost NOTHING? No thanks! And unless

someone tells me that smoking is the reason I have CFS/FM.............I aint'

quitting! It's MY CHOICE!

I am always courteous with my smoking, even at my mom's house, where she says I

can smoke, I don't, as a courtesy to her and others that are there who DON'T

smoke. But I am getting tired of the " no smoking " outdoors ! WHAT is that all

about? Anyway, I just wanted you to know, you have a fellow smoker out here

with you!

STL Jane

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I do not condone smoking, especially in a person with a neurological disease or

lung disease, that being said, I also have seen this as a beneficial medical

intervention for another person who suffers from kidney disease and BP issues.

She too, has balanced out since returning to smoking.

My only request is that those who smoke realize that there are those who have

health issues that really react to cigarette smoke and are innocent of the

prejudice. My youngest daughter has asthma and one of her triggers is smoke of

any kind. We could not go out to eat because of smoking sections - didn't matter

that we sat on the opposite side of the place, they filitered the air through

the same system and that is all it took. Please just remember the children who

are not allowed or choose not to smoke.

Blessings,

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Hi , well once it was a sacred medicine.not to say it's harmless, but

then neither are pharmaceuticals! Never mind the 2000 toxic and addicting

chemmies they put into commercial cigs. It was a conscious health choice to

start again, even if only 3 per day. I am incredibly sensitive to not smoke

around anybody nor in the house (OK in the bathroom with window open/fan on

when it's freezing out!), not at all around my dogs even, I have several

asthmatic friends and would never. I've never had weak lungs, I guess I'm

lucky. Though even I can't handle second hand smoke LOL! Aylwin

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Hi , well once it was a sacred medicine.not to say it's harmless, but

then neither are pharmaceuticals! Never mind the 2000 toxic and addicting

chemmies they put into commercial cigs. It was a conscious health choice to

start again, even if only 3 per day. I am incredibly sensitive to not smoke

around anybody nor in the house (OK in the bathroom with window open/fan on

when it's freezing out!), not at all around my dogs even, I have several

asthmatic friends and would never. I've never had weak lungs, I guess I'm

lucky. Though even I can't handle second hand smoke LOL! Aylwin

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Hi i'm just curious as to what you mean by 'no smoking' outdoors. I live in

Scotland and last year we banned smoking from all public buildings, places

of work etc. the only place people can smoke here is in private homes or

outside. I don't smoke, I used to, but now I've got asthma and smoke makes

it go crazy. Even without the M.E. I couldn't go to pubs or restaurants.

It's nice now to know that the odd time I make it out, I can still breathe

:-)

Lots of my friends do smoke and I respect their choices. They know it's not

healthy but we all make our own choices and I reckon we all do things we

know we 'shouldn't'. I know that eating anything with sugar really upsets me

and is bad for my IBS. Does that stop me eating chocolate?? Nope!!

Face it - none of us are perfect

Kirsteen

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> Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done

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I hear you - I agree that smoking sections in restaurants are sort of a

joke, when it's just on the other side of a half wall or the bar, nothing is

keeping that smoke from people who don't like or can't handle being around

smokers. I really do understand..

What I don't understand, is why we can't smoke in seating areas OUTSIDE the

restaurant. I don't think that is fair at all. I live in St. Louis, and our

new baseball stadium opened last summer. Now, I understand not smoking in your

seat, it would be offensive for those around you. But the " lobby " area, for

lack of a better word, is completely open to the outside, no walls enclosing it.

In the old stadium, you could go to designated areas across from the vendors and

smoke. It's OUTSIDE and they have now banned smoking entirely on stadium

grounds. I don't feel that's fair. We are fine with stepping away from our

seats and watching the TV screens they have around the lobby areas, but

c'mon...........not smoking outside?

I've heard recently, they are trying to ban smoking in YOUR OWN CAR?????

It's just a very sensitive subject on both sides of the fence.

STL Jane

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Hi Val,

I appreciate others points of view, that being said, not everyone is

a rude chimney pig which is the picture I get in my brain when I hear

others say things about those that are rude and don't care about

anyone but themselves. That is truely unfortunate and I'm being

nice. We all have our issues and I think " smoking " has been drilled

into the ground over and over again. Okay...we pay high bucks for

them to pay for other things non smokers dont wish to. We have been

driven into our homes quite literally with a substance that should

never have been legal and then we wouldn't be talking about this at

all. I grew up with two heavy smokers...so I smoked before my birth!

My point in all this is....I feel the post here of all places was a

very poor choice and has done nothing but cause stress on some of us

to further defend outselves on yet another issue!

I really would like to know, What was the point?

Thanks for your post in defense and against this issue. I will

however fight to the end for my rights. The world is absolutly full

of terribly unhealthy things and if facts be known, we would be

surprised that smoking is a smoke screen to cover bigger issues that

cause these breathing problems. Just my opinion.

Huggz!

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Thanks Jane!

I know none of us " smokers " are proud of it. There was no new

information to my understanding and this is supposed to be our

extended supportive family. I dont know about the " poster " but I

take my friends as they are, making no judgements or bringing them

quick to anger. I guess some think it's more important to throw some

old post out there than to get real and talk to us about something

worthwhile that has not been discussed before.

Good talkin to you again Jane! Our emails kinda weaned off but we

both are busy but it's nice to know your still there!

Huggz!

> Hey ,

> I too am a smoker. I was surprised to see this information posted

here. I am assuming it was posted to show how smoking damages the

cells, etc. I KNOW that smoking isn't good for me, the dangers, the

consequences that information has been easily accessible for MANY

YEARS NOW. Smokers can read too! lol but I CHOOSE to do it anyway.

Like you, I figure it's one of my last little pleasures in life and I

couldn't handle the withdrawal right now, it's hard enough when you

are healthy, but NOW, when I can do almost NOTHING? No thanks! And

unless someone tells me that smoking is the reason I have

CFS/FM.............I aint' quitting! It's MY CHOICE!

> I am always courteous with my smoking, even at my mom's house,

where she says I can smoke, I don't, as a courtesy to her and others

that are there who DON'T smoke. But I am getting tired of the " no

smoking " outdoors ! WHAT is that all about? Anyway, I just wanted

you to know, you have a fellow smoker out here with you!

> STL Jane

>

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I guess I may not have made my point clear so I can clear the issue up like

this:

For those who suffer neuropathic pain, NICOTENE is the worst enemy when

combined with meds to help with said pain.

My husband was a smoker and a dipper, decided to stay on the dip. He has MS

and is in terrible pain all of the time. When he is without NICOTENE, including

the patches, his pain disappears.

Smoking does cause health issues and yes, I fully agree you have the right

to choose to smoke and you have the right enjoy it. You also have a

responsibility to others who do not have a choice, by not smoking in a public

establishment where the innocent - who are not allowed to smoke by law go. And I

would add that you might want to consider making changes in habit if you are

experiencing pain, you might be surprised at the outcome.

Best wishes,

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Oh Jane, I agree that this is really out of control for smokers, if it is

outside, then there should be no issue. Here in Ohio you have to be 50 ft. away

from the entrance doors of an establishment, regardless what it is. I feel the

government is TOO CONTROLLING when it comes to human choices.

Thank you for taking the smoking away from the confines and to an open area.

Who knows, maybe they are trying to blame Globle Warming on tobacco use.

Geesh!

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Hi , well for me there is some relationship between smoking and pain

levels, but not an absolute one if you know what I mean (of course I only

smoke 3 per day and a bit of nicotine gum)- ie I will tend to have more pain

when a smoker, but have had lots of pain smokefree and little while smoking.

For me it's a tradeoff - crashing BP vs some pain. My arthritic flare seems

to have subsided, so I'm not in much pain now. It's like that with lots of

scrips too.trading off the benefits vs. the side effects.

I'm not trying to sound holier than thou to the folks who just smoke 'cuz

they do, but for me it was a medical decision. Don't see why smokers can't

smoke outdoors WELL AWAY from others, can totally understand not wanting it

on a restaurant patio where others are close by. You can really get a face

full in those situations. Aylwin xox

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Morning Kirsteen, well the 70% cocoa dark choc (especially if it's organic)

is GOOD for you in small doses, maybe you could have the cake and eat it too

LOL Aylwin xo

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Morning Kirsteen, well the 70% cocoa dark choc (especially if it's organic)

is GOOD for you in small doses, maybe you could have the cake and eat it too

LOL Aylwin xo

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I just had to reply to this. I think each person responds differently to

the nicotine as we do with other meds. I know that for me smoking helps

with my pain. I don't know if it's the nicotine or the breathing associated

with smoking that cigarette. I do know that smoking helps me through the

pain and that I don't have to take as many pain meds. It also helps me

de-stress which also helps my pain levels. That being said, I'm planning on

quitting within the next month but that's mainly for economic reasons. They

just passed a smoking ban in here in AZ and while we can smoke outside we

have to be at least 20 feet away from any doorway. I too have always been a

considerate smoker and when I am with my non-smoking friends I do not smoke

in their presence. I will walk away for a bit if I feel I need a cigarette.

When I am at the bus stop I will walk away from the seating area so as not

to bother others sitting there unless that person is also smoking. Most

smokers I know try to be considerate of others.

Bel

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Well the kid with asthma (or ME!) who walks through that restaurant door

could totally get a face full. I've been on patios where I totally couldn't

cope with the smoke levels. My own rule is I just go well away from people &

animals to light up. Even in my own home, I only smoke in the bathroom with

the window open and the fan on, or on the porch - it bothers the dogs. I

choose to smoke but refuse to inflict it at all on anyone. Some chem.

sensitive can't even take the smell on clothes. IMHO. Aylwin xo

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Well the kid with asthma (or ME!) who walks through that restaurant door

could totally get a face full. I've been on patios where I totally couldn't

cope with the smoke levels. My own rule is I just go well away from people &

animals to light up. Even in my own home, I only smoke in the bathroom with

the window open and the fan on, or on the porch - it bothers the dogs. I

choose to smoke but refuse to inflict it at all on anyone. Some chem.

sensitive can't even take the smell on clothes. IMHO. Aylwin xo

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Bel,

As a fellow smoker, I wish you All the best in quitting!!! I know I

personally, have quit more times than I care to mention, but the thought of

quitting again is never far from my mind. I wish you much peace and pain free

days in your attempt!!!!

STL Jane

Bel wrote:

I just had to reply to this. I think each person responds differently

to

the nicotine as we do with other meds. I know that for me smoking helps

with my pain.

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Bel,

As a fellow smoker, I wish you All the best in quitting!!! I know I

personally, have quit more times than I care to mention, but the thought of

quitting again is never far from my mind. I wish you much peace and pain free

days in your attempt!!!!

STL Jane

Bel wrote:

I just had to reply to this. I think each person responds differently

to

the nicotine as we do with other meds. I know that for me smoking helps

with my pain.

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I am a smoker but I under stand the people that have health issues. My son has

asthma so we try on to smoke around him but that don't aways work sence he will

be 18 in Oct. But I have asthma too but it is a hard habbit to get off of. When

I get stessed out that is my first thing I go to. But then what is worse the

smokes or the drugs. If I am around a person that don't smoke I will go the

other way or wait to smoke. And as for the cars and house to try and stop you

from smoking in them is going deep, but if you smoke the thing will get on it

all and smell to. The people that don't smoke it is alot stonger to them then us

that do. Out in you on yard as long as you don't get in the way the wind blows

and away from the peaple I think it is ok. But on your own land is get realy

personal if you ask me. Why do we say any thing about it they will do what they

want any way. Roxanne!!

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I am a smoker but I under stand the people that have health issues. My son has

asthma so we try on to smoke around him but that don't aways work sence he will

be 18 in Oct. But I have asthma too but it is a hard habbit to get off of. When

I get stessed out that is my first thing I go to. But then what is worse the

smokes or the drugs. If I am around a person that don't smoke I will go the

other way or wait to smoke. And as for the cars and house to try and stop you

from smoking in them is going deep, but if you smoke the thing will get on it

all and smell to. The people that don't smoke it is alot stonger to them then us

that do. Out in you on yard as long as you don't get in the way the wind blows

and away from the peaple I think it is ok. But on your own land is get realy

personal if you ask me. Why do we say any thing about it they will do what they

want any way. Roxanne!!

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There is just NO telling is there? lol

I have ALWAYS tried to be a courteous smoker.....even when driving my kids and

their friends somewhere? I dont' smoke in my OWN CAR, just so as not to

offend!! I know how unhealthy it is and I'm frustrated that I have been

unsuccessful at quitting for good, but ...............hopefully, someday, I

will. Until then, I will NOT blow smoke your way! lol

Thanks for the support!

wrote:

Oh Jane, I agree that this is really out of control for smokers, if it

is outside, then there should be no issue. Here in Ohio you have to be 50 ft.

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I'm still here, not as much, but we all know how THAT goes don't we? Mostly

just lurking about. Lots going on in my life for the past few months, starting

to slow up a bit now.

I've gone from my daughter's suicide attempt and subsequent inpatient 'lock

down " in a psych ward to getting thru the college prep work for my newly

graduated son; from struggling to keep my marriage together to starting a

business with my husband and filing for food stamps........all since

December.....................it's been a helluva ride, but I'm still hanging in

there!!!!!

May be some of the reasons I hang onto nicotine eh?

STL Jane