Re: Having really bad heart fluttering

[Guest guest]

This sounds crazy to me, too. . . . .along with ". . . . .Armour thyroid not being made anymore. . . . " I know lots of folks who take Armour, including a handful of doctors.

> >-I was talking w/ coworkers and they were telling me that people> >w/thyroid problems can get irregular heartbeats and that there needs> >to be cardiovascular shocks to re-regulate the hearbeat. don't know,> >but maybe that should be checked into? Don't take this for gospel> >because my doctor never told me about it, but then he tried to tell> >me that armourthyroid wasn't made anymore!(I know 2 peeps that take> >it). He has me on 125 synthyroid and .10 of cytomel. Good luck!-> >Jennabug

[Guest guest]

The only arrythmia that I'm familar with using shock to reregulate is Atrial

Fibrillation or commonly known as A-Fib. This is found a lot in elderly

people whose hearts have disregulated and some other people. I can tell you

that, if the heart has been in A-Fib for a long time, it's not as likely

that they will be able to " reset " , and I think that would be on acct of

other disregulations that have occurred on acct of readjustments with the

A-Fib. They do give certain blood pressure and arrythmia meds to help ease

the strain on the blood vessels, heart muscle, and to help reregulate the

depth of the heart rate and rhythm, this is not the same as completely

changing the electrical mode in there. It is an electrical thing, and if

you've ever seen what the heart is doing while in this mode, you would see

what I'm talking about. It's one of those where the electricity is throwing

vibes virtually bouncing all over the inside of the heart, like a wire that

is " on the loose " , throwing electrical pulses everywhere. It sort of looks

like sparks flying everywhere, so to speak. There are some more modern

updates to this, but it can't always be reset. Long ongoing hyperthyroidism

is famous also for causing this one. A weakened wild atrium is responsible

for this one, and it will eventually cause an enlarged and stiff (stenosed)

worn out left ventricle that has been very overworked on acct of this

particular arrythmia, over time. This would mean that the left ventricle is

no longer shunting the blood properly and not opening and closing properly.

These are just details of the one arrythmia and some of the scenarios from

it. Is this the arrythmia that you have, or have you had this checked out?

This has nothing to do with the sometimes prevalent condition of the mitral

valve, which is another whole scenario, and is common among hypos who have

been that way for a very long time, i.e., MVP (Mitral Valve Prolapse), where

that little valve has stretched out to the point where it doesn't " snap "

back up into the opening that allows blood not to do a backward flow. Most

cardiologists don't consider that particular one to be very very serious,

unless the blood is moving backwards enough to cause a significant amt of

backward blood flow. The A-Fib is very serious and will eventually result

in the above mentioned worn out left ventricle. There are many types of

arrhthmias with differing scenarios. This is just one of them. My mother

opted to not have her A-Fib " reset " because she was already in congestive

heart failure (the next to final result of this, worn out heart muscle that

has overworked for quite some time) at age 75 or beyond, as a result of this

being undiscovered. She had probably had this arrythmia for over 10 to 15

yrs at the time she went into heart failure. She is now 82 going on 83. So

often, this is how it happens, especially with someone whose not constantly

visiting a doctor. They may only notice the extreme palps, breathlessness,

etc....and may ignore it. She always ignored it and never told anyone until

the heart muscle had worn out. She is former medical personnel. Having a

" fast " heart rate is not the same thing, though that will have it's own

repercussions, but I don't know if it leads to this particular arrythmia. I

am not a doctor nor do I play one on tv, but I do work with the elderly on a

nursing floor, and not a LICENSED nurse. The idiot doctor who said quote he

" never heard of this " (referring to one of the posts below) needs his

license pulled because of the solution he suggested of just simply turning

off the alarm clock, without investigating anything further.

Re: Having really bad

> heart fluttering

>>

>>

>>

>> Yes

>> I usually do not ever post. But I am hypothyroid and do not know

> if this has anything to do with it or not. I have the heart flutters

> and have been going to the cardiologist for several months now and

> all the test have not showed up much and he thinks it might be

> thyroid related.

>> I wake up most mornings with extreme flutters and rush of

> adrenaline that makes me sick for several hours. He said he had

> never heard of that before and told me to quit using the alarm which

> sets it off. But, as soon as I open my eyes, it happens, and it is

> very scary.

>> Does anyone else have this?

[Guest guest]

Since my thyroid problems began (or really, a couple of years prior),

I started having a faster heart rate when lying down. My heart would

also pound really hard, like I had just run up a bunch of stairs but

all I'd done is walk to turn the light off and climb into bed.

I still am dealing with this over 10 years later. Normally, my heart

rate stays at about 80-85 bpm but it pounds hard several times a day

but most noticeable when I'm lying down.

I figured that once I get my thyroid " fixed " , that will stop. But I

can't increase my Armour yet though without my heart rate going over

100. I feel like I probably need one more increase and it's a bit

frustrating because I can't get there.

But I've been concerned about permanent heart problems from this going

on for so long but my past doctors don't seem to share that concern.

I don't know if I brought it up with Owens or not...can't recall. But

I plan to when I see her next to make sure.

I've had an EKG done (standard at one particular hospital before I

could undergo anesthesia I guess) and been tested for MVP (at my

insistence) - both were fine. What are the other tests that should be

done to rule out heart problems?

Jul

> The only arrythmia that I'm familar with using shock to reregulate is Atrial

> Fibrillation or commonly known as A-Fib. This is found a lot in elderly

> people whose hearts have disregulated and some other people. I can tell you

> that, if the heart has been in A-Fib for a long time, it's not as likely

> that they will be able to " reset " , and I think that would be on acct of

> other disregulations that have occurred on acct of readjustments with the

> A-Fib. They do give certain blood pressure and arrythmia meds to help ease

> the strain on the blood vessels, heart muscle, and to help reregulate the

> depth of the heart rate and rhythm, this is not the same as completely

> changing the electrical mode in there. It is an electrical thing, and if

> you've ever seen what the heart is doing while in this mode, you would see

> what I'm talking about. It's one of those where the electricity is throwing

> vibes virtually bouncing all over the inside of the heart, like a wire that

> is " on the loose " , throwing electrical pulses everywhere. It sort of looks

> like sparks flying everywhere, so to speak. There are some more modern

> updates to this, but it can't always be reset. Long ongoing hyperthyroidism

> is famous also for causing this one. A weakened wild atrium is responsible

> for this one, and it will eventually cause an enlarged and stiff (stenosed)

> worn out left ventricle that has been very overworked on acct of this

> particular arrythmia, over time. This would mean that the left ventricle is

> no longer shunting the blood properly and not opening and closing properly.

> These are just details of the one arrythmia and some of the scenarios from

> it. Is this the arrythmia that you have, or have you had this checked out?

> This has nothing to do with the sometimes prevalent condition of the mitral

> valve, which is another whole scenario, and is common among hypos who have

> been that way for a very long time, i.e., MVP (Mitral Valve Prolapse), where

> that little valve has stretched out to the point where it doesn't " snap "

> back up into the opening that allows blood not to do a backward flow. Most

> cardiologists don't consider that particular one to be very very serious,

> unless the blood is moving backwards enough to cause a significant amt of

> backward blood flow. The A-Fib is very serious and will eventually result

> in the above mentioned worn out left ventricle. There are many types of

> arrhthmias with differing scenarios. This is just one of them. My mother

> opted to not have her A-Fib " reset " because she was already in congestive

> heart failure (the next to final result of this, worn out heart muscle that

> has overworked for quite some time) at age 75 or beyond, as a result of this

> being undiscovered. She had probably had this arrythmia for over 10 to 15

> yrs at the time she went into heart failure. She is now 82 going on 83. So

> often, this is how it happens, especially with someone whose not constantly

> visiting a doctor. They may only notice the extreme palps, breathlessness,

> etc....and may ignore it. She always ignored it and never told anyone until

> the heart muscle had worn out. She is former medical personnel. Having a

> " fast " heart rate is not the same thing, though that will have it's own

> repercussions, but I don't know if it leads to this particular arrythmia. I

> am not a doctor nor do I play one on tv, but I do work with the elderly on a

> nursing floor, and not a LICENSED nurse. The idiot doctor who said quote he

> " never heard of this " (referring to one of the posts below) needs his

> license pulled because of the solution he suggested of just simply turning

> off the alarm clock, without investigating anything further.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jul,

You may wish to test for anemia(red and and AM Cortisol. Those can cause

issues when trying to raise Armour.

Kate G

edited by moderator to avoid the direct giving of medical advice

At 11:07 AM 1/1/2008, you wrote:

>Since my thyroid problems began (or really, a couple of years prior),

>I started having a faster heart rate when lying down. My heart would

>also pound really hard, like I had just run up a bunch of stairs but

>all I'd done is walk to turn the light off and climb into bed.

>

>I still am dealing with this over 10 years later. Normally, my heart

>rate stays at about 80-85 bpm but it pounds hard several times a day

>but most noticeable when I'm lying down.

>

>I figured that once I get my thyroid " fixed " , that will stop. But I

>can't increase my Armour yet though without my heart rate going over

>100. I feel like I probably need one more increase and it's a bit

>frustrating because I can't get there.

>

>But I've been concerned about permanent heart problems from this going

>on for so long but my past doctors don't seem to share that concern.

>I don't know if I brought it up with Owens or not...can't recall. But

>I plan to when I see her next to make sure.

>

>I've had an EKG done (standard at one particular hospital before I

>could undergo anesthesia I guess) and been tested for MVP (at my

>insistence) - both were fine. What are the other tests that should be

>done to rule out heart problems?

>

>Jul

>

>

> > The only arrythmia that I'm familar with using shock to reregulate is

> Atrial

> > Fibrillation or commonly known as A-Fib. This is found a lot in elderly

> > people whose hearts have disregulated and some other people. I can

> tell you

> > that, if the heart has been in A-Fib for a long time, it's not as likely

> > that they will be able to " reset " , and I think that would be on acct of

> > other disregulations that have occurred on acct of readjustments with the

> > A-Fib. They do give certain blood pressure and arrythmia meds to help ease

> > the strain on the blood vessels, heart muscle, and to help reregulate the

> > depth of the heart rate and rhythm, this is not the same as completely

> > changing the electrical mode in there. It is an electrical thing, and if

> > you've ever seen what the heart is doing while in this mode, you would see

> > what I'm talking about. It's one of those where the electricity is

> throwing

> > vibes virtually bouncing all over the inside of the heart, like a wire that

> > is " on the loose " , throwing electrical pulses everywhere. It sort of looks

> > like sparks flying everywhere, so to speak. There are some more modern

> > updates to this, but it can't always be reset. Long ongoing

> hyperthyroidism

> > is famous also for causing this one. A weakened wild atrium is responsible

> > for this one, and it will eventually cause an enlarged and stiff (stenosed)

> > worn out left ventricle that has been very overworked on acct of this

> > particular arrythmia, over time. This would mean that the left

> ventricle is

> > no longer shunting the blood properly and not opening and closing properly.

> > These are just details of the one arrythmia and some of the scenarios from

> > it. Is this the arrythmia that you have, or have you had this checked out?

> > This has nothing to do with the sometimes prevalent condition of the mitral

> > valve, which is another whole scenario, and is common among hypos who have

> > been that way for a very long time, i.e., MVP (Mitral Valve Prolapse),

> where

> > that little valve has stretched out to the point where it doesn't " snap "

> > back up into the opening that allows blood not to do a backward flow. Most

> > cardiologists don't consider that particular one to be very very serious,

> > unless the blood is moving backwards enough to cause a significant amt of

> > backward blood flow. The A-Fib is very serious and will eventually result

> > in the above mentioned worn out left ventricle. There are many types of

> > arrhthmias with differing scenarios. This is just one of them. My mother

> > opted to not have her A-Fib " reset " because she was already in congestive

> > heart failure (the next to final result of this, worn out heart muscle that

> > has overworked for quite some time) at age 75 or beyond, as a result of

> this

> > being undiscovered. She had probably had this arrythmia for over 10 to 15

> > yrs at the time she went into heart failure. She is now 82 going on

> 83. So

> > often, this is how it happens, especially with someone whose not constantly

> > visiting a doctor. They may only notice the extreme palps, breathlessness,

> > etc....and may ignore it. She always ignored it and never told anyone

> until

> > the heart muscle had worn out. She is former medical personnel. Having a

> > " fast " heart rate is not the same thing, though that will have it's own

> > repercussions, but I don't know if it leads to this particular

> arrythmia. I

> > am not a doctor nor do I play one on tv, but I do work with the elderly

> on a

> > nursing floor, and not a LICENSED nurse. The idiot doctor who said

> quote he

> > " never heard of this " (referring to one of the posts below) needs his

> > license pulled because of the solution he suggested of just simply turning

> > off the alarm clock, without investigating anything further.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

My heart fluttering went away a few days after I had the adjustment

from my chiro. It returned 2 days ago though. So either my ribs are

out again which could be the case because its sore back there still

or its something to do with the thyroid.

I see my Dr again mid Jan so I will see if its something to do with

that.

I still have no insurance so it makes it hard to get much testing

done. I am hoping and praying my husband gets another job with better

health insurance.

Thanks for all the input. I will keep you posted on what happens. I

am really frustrated with the heart flutters and it is very scary.

You wonder if there is something major wrong with your heart. It

kinda takes your breath away with each heart flutter.

> > > The only arrythmia that I'm familar with using shock to

reregulate is

> > Atrial

> > > Fibrillation or commonly known as A-Fib. This is found a lot

in elderly

> > > people whose hearts have disregulated and some other people. I

can

> > tell you

> > > that, if the heart has been in A-Fib for a long time, it's not

as likely

> > > that they will be able to " reset " , and I think that would be on

acct of

> > > other disregulations that have occurred on acct of

readjustments with the

> > > A-Fib. They do give certain blood pressure and arrythmia meds

to help ease

> > > the strain on the blood vessels, heart muscle, and to help

reregulate the

> > > depth of the heart rate and rhythm, this is not the same as

completely

> > > changing the electrical mode in there. It is an electrical

thing, and if

> > > you've ever seen what the heart is doing while in this mode,

you would see

> > > what I'm talking about. It's one of those where the

electricity is

> > throwing

> > > vibes virtually bouncing all over the inside of the heart, like

a wire that

> > > is " on the loose " , throwing electrical pulses everywhere. It

sort of looks

> > > like sparks flying everywhere, so to speak. There are some

more modern

> > > updates to this, but it can't always be reset. Long ongoing

> > hyperthyroidism

> > > is famous also for causing this one. A weakened wild atrium is

responsible

> > > for this one, and it will eventually cause an enlarged and

stiff (stenosed)

> > > worn out left ventricle that has been very overworked on acct

of this

> > > particular arrythmia, over time. This would mean that the left

> > ventricle is

> > > no longer shunting the blood properly and not opening and

closing properly.

> > > These are just details of the one arrythmia and some of the

scenarios from

> > > it. Is this the arrythmia that you have, or have you had this

checked out?

> > > This has nothing to do with the sometimes prevalent condition

of the mitral

> > > valve, which is another whole scenario, and is common among

hypos who have

> > > been that way for a very long time, i.e., MVP (Mitral Valve

Prolapse),

> > where

> > > that little valve has stretched out to the point where it

doesn't " snap "

> > > back up into the opening that allows blood not to do a backward

flow. Most

> > > cardiologists don't consider that particular one to be very

very serious,

> > > unless the blood is moving backwards enough to cause a

significant amt of

> > > backward blood flow. The A-Fib is very serious and will

eventually result

> > > in the above mentioned worn out left ventricle. There are many

types of

> > > arrhthmias with differing scenarios. This is just one of

them. My mother

> > > opted to not have her A-Fib " reset " because she was already in

congestive

> > > heart failure (the next to final result of this, worn out heart

muscle that

> > > has overworked for quite some time) at age 75 or beyond, as a

result of

> > this

> > > being undiscovered. She had probably had this arrythmia for

over 10 to 15

> > > yrs at the time she went into heart failure. She is now 82

going on

> > 83. So

> > > often, this is how it happens, especially with someone whose

not constantly

> > > visiting a doctor. They may only notice the extreme palps,

breathlessness,

> > > etc....and may ignore it. She always ignored it and never told

anyone

> > until

> > > the heart muscle had worn out. She is former medical

personnel. Having a

> > > " fast " heart rate is not the same thing, though that will have

it's own

> > > repercussions, but I don't know if it leads to this particular

> > arrythmia. I

> > > am not a doctor nor do I play one on tv, but I do work with the

elderly

> > on a

> > > nursing floor, and not a LICENSED nurse. The idiot doctor who

said

> > quote he

> > > " never heard of this " (referring to one of the posts below)

needs his

> > > license pulled because of the solution he suggested of just

simply turning

> > > off the alarm clock, without investigating anything further.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I've already done all that. I'm on iron supplements and adrenal

treatment, though not HC like I want. I guess I just want to rule out

that it's not anything more serious that isn't thyroid or adrenal

related while I try to convince my doctor to let me try HC.

> Jul,

>

> You may wish to test for anemia(red and and AM Cortisol. Those can cause

> issues when trying to raise Armour.

>

> Kate G

>

> edited by moderator to avoid the direct giving of medical advice

>

>

>

>

> At 11:07 AM 1/1/2008, you wrote:

> >Since my thyroid problems began (or really, a couple of years prior),

> >I started having a faster heart rate when lying down. My heart would

> >also pound really hard, like I had just run up a bunch of stairs but

> >all I'd done is walk to turn the light off and climb into bed.

> >

> >I still am dealing with this over 10 years later. Normally, my heart

> >rate stays at about 80-85 bpm but it pounds hard several times a day

> >but most noticeable when I'm lying down.

> >

> >I figured that once I get my thyroid " fixed " , that will stop. But I

> >can't increase my Armour yet though without my heart rate going over

> >100. I feel like I probably need one more increase and it's a bit

> >frustrating because I can't get there.

> >

> >But I've been concerned about permanent heart problems from this going

> >on for so long but my past doctors don't seem to share that concern.

> >I don't know if I brought it up with Owens or not...can't recall. But

> >I plan to when I see her next to make sure.

> >

> >I've had an EKG done (standard at one particular hospital before I

> >could undergo anesthesia I guess) and been tested for MVP (at my

> >insistence) - both were fine. What are the other tests that should be

> >done to rule out heart problems?

> >

> >Jul

> >

> >

> > > The only arrythmia that I'm familar with using shock to reregulate is

> > Atrial

> > > Fibrillation or commonly known as A-Fib. This is found a lot in elderly

> > > people whose hearts have disregulated and some other people. I can

> > tell you

> > > that, if the heart has been in A-Fib for a long time, it's not as likely

> > > that they will be able to " reset " , and I think that would be on acct of

> > > other disregulations that have occurred on acct of readjustments with the

> > > A-Fib. They do give certain blood pressure and arrythmia meds to help

ease

> > > the strain on the blood vessels, heart muscle, and to help reregulate the

> > > depth of the heart rate and rhythm, this is not the same as completely

> > > changing the electrical mode in there. It is an electrical thing, and if

> > > you've ever seen what the heart is doing while in this mode, you would see

> > > what I'm talking about. It's one of those where the electricity is

> > throwing

> > > vibes virtually bouncing all over the inside of the heart, like a wire

that

> > > is " on the loose " , throwing electrical pulses everywhere. It sort of

looks

> > > like sparks flying everywhere, so to speak. There are some more modern

> > > updates to this, but it can't always be reset. Long ongoing

> > hyperthyroidism

> > > is famous also for causing this one. A weakened wild atrium is

responsible

> > > for this one, and it will eventually cause an enlarged and stiff

(stenosed)

> > > worn out left ventricle that has been very overworked on acct of this

> > > particular arrythmia, over time. This would mean that the left

> > ventricle is

> > > no longer shunting the blood properly and not opening and closing

properly.

> > > These are just details of the one arrythmia and some of the scenarios from

> > > it. Is this the arrythmia that you have, or have you had this checked

out?

> > > This has nothing to do with the sometimes prevalent condition of the

mitral

> > > valve, which is another whole scenario, and is common among hypos who have

> > > been that way for a very long time, i.e., MVP (Mitral Valve Prolapse),

> > where

> > > that little valve has stretched out to the point where it doesn't " snap "

> > > back up into the opening that allows blood not to do a backward flow.

Most

> > > cardiologists don't consider that particular one to be very very serious,

> > > unless the blood is moving backwards enough to cause a significant amt of

> > > backward blood flow. The A-Fib is very serious and will eventually result

> > > in the above mentioned worn out left ventricle. There are many types of

> > > arrhthmias with differing scenarios. This is just one of them. My mother

> > > opted to not have her A-Fib " reset " because she was already in congestive

> > > heart failure (the next to final result of this, worn out heart muscle

that

> > > has overworked for quite some time) at age 75 or beyond, as a result of

> > this

> > > being undiscovered. She had probably had this arrythmia for over 10 to 15

> > > yrs at the time she went into heart failure. She is now 82 going on

> > 83. So

> > > often, this is how it happens, especially with someone whose not

constantly

> > > visiting a doctor. They may only notice the extreme palps,

breathlessness,

> > > etc....and may ignore it. She always ignored it and never told anyone

> > until

> > > the heart muscle had worn out. She is former medical personnel. Having a

> > > " fast " heart rate is not the same thing, though that will have it's own

> > > repercussions, but I don't know if it leads to this particular

> > arrythmia. I

> > > am not a doctor nor do I play one on tv, but I do work with the elderly

> > on a

> > > nursing floor, and not a LICENSED nurse. The idiot doctor who said

> > quote he

> > > " never heard of this " (referring to one of the posts below) needs his

> > > license pulled because of the solution he suggested of just simply turning

> > > off the alarm clock, without investigating anything further.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> I've had an EKG done (standard at one particular hospital before I

> could undergo anesthesia I guess) and been tested for MVP (at my

> insistence) - both were fine. What are the other tests that should be

> done to rule out heart problems?

>

> Jul

This I do not know. I have seen them hook up certain machines to my mother

at the cardiologist's office when they are looking at her heart, but I can't

tell you what they are called, etc...

[Guest guest]

How long have you been on supplements and have you retested? What has your

doctor said about the " progress " ?

Kate G

At 05:53 PM 1/1/2008, you wrote:

>I've already done all that. I'm on iron supplements and adrenal

>treatment, though not HC like I want. I guess I just want to rule out

>that it's not anything more serious that isn't thyroid or adrenal

>related while I try to convince my doctor to let me try HC.

>

>

> > Jul,

> >

> > You may wish to test for anemia(red and and AM Cortisol. Those can

> cause

> > issues when trying to raise Armour.

> >

> > Kate G

> >

> > edited by moderator to avoid the direct giving of medical advice

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > At 11:07 AM 1/1/2008, you wrote:

> > >Since my thyroid problems began (or really, a couple of years prior),

> > >I started having a faster heart rate when lying down. My heart would

> > >also pound really hard, like I had just run up a bunch of stairs but

> > >all I'd done is walk to turn the light off and climb into bed.

> > >

> > >I still am dealing with this over 10 years later. Normally, my heart

> > >rate stays at about 80-85 bpm but it pounds hard several times a day

> > >but most noticeable when I'm lying down.

> > >

> > >I figured that once I get my thyroid " fixed " , that will stop. But I

> > >can't increase my Armour yet though without my heart rate going over

> > >100. I feel like I probably need one more increase and it's a bit

> > >frustrating because I can't get there.

> > >

> > >But I've been concerned about permanent heart problems from this going

> > >on for so long but my past doctors don't seem to share that concern.

> > >I don't know if I brought it up with Owens or not...can't recall. But

> > >I plan to when I see her next to make sure.

> > >

> > >I've had an EKG done (standard at one particular hospital before I

> > >could undergo anesthesia I guess) and been tested for MVP (at my

> > >insistence) - both were fine. What are the other tests that should be

> > >done to rule out heart problems?

> > >

> > >Jul

> > >

> > >

> > > > The only arrythmia that I'm familar with using shock to reregulate is

> > > Atrial

> > > > Fibrillation or commonly known as A-Fib. This is found a lot in

> elderly

> > > > people whose hearts have disregulated and some other people. I can

> > > tell you

> > > > that, if the heart has been in A-Fib for a long time, it's not as

> likely

> > > > that they will be able to " reset " , and I think that would be on acct of

> > > > other disregulations that have occurred on acct of readjustments

> with the

> > > > A-Fib. They do give certain blood pressure and arrythmia meds to

> help ease

> > > > the strain on the blood vessels, heart muscle, and to help

> reregulate the

> > > > depth of the heart rate and rhythm, this is not the same as completely

> > > > changing the electrical mode in there. It is an electrical thing,

> and if

> > > > you've ever seen what the heart is doing while in this mode, you

> would see

> > > > what I'm talking about. It's one of those where the electricity is

> > > throwing

> > > > vibes virtually bouncing all over the inside of the heart, like a

> wire that

> > > > is " on the loose " , throwing electrical pulses everywhere. It sort

> of looks

> > > > like sparks flying everywhere, so to speak. There are some more modern

> > > > updates to this, but it can't always be reset. Long ongoing

> > > hyperthyroidism

> > > > is famous also for causing this one. A weakened wild atrium is

> responsible

> > > > for this one, and it will eventually cause an enlarged and stiff

> (stenosed)

> > > > worn out left ventricle that has been very overworked on acct of this

> > > > particular arrythmia, over time. This would mean that the left

> > > ventricle is

> > > > no longer shunting the blood properly and not opening and closing

> properly.

> > > > These are just details of the one arrythmia and some of the

> scenarios from

> > > > it. Is this the arrythmia that you have, or have you had this

> checked out?

> > > > This has nothing to do with the sometimes prevalent condition of

> the mitral

> > > > valve, which is another whole scenario, and is common among hypos

> who have

> > > > been that way for a very long time, i.e., MVP (Mitral Valve Prolapse),

> > > where

> > > > that little valve has stretched out to the point where it doesn't

> " snap "

> > > > back up into the opening that allows blood not to do a backward

> flow. Most

> > > > cardiologists don't consider that particular one to be very very

> serious,

> > > > unless the blood is moving backwards enough to cause a significant

> amt of

> > > > backward blood flow. The A-Fib is very serious and will eventually

> result

> > > > in the above mentioned worn out left ventricle. There are many

> types of

> > > > arrhthmias with differing scenarios. This is just one of them. My

> mother

> > > > opted to not have her A-Fib " reset " because she was already in

> congestive

> > > > heart failure (the next to final result of this, worn out heart

> muscle that

> > > > has overworked for quite some time) at age 75 or beyond, as a result of

> > > this

> > > > being undiscovered. She had probably had this arrythmia for over

> 10 to 15

> > > > yrs at the time she went into heart failure. She is now 82 going on

> > > 83. So

> > > > often, this is how it happens, especially with someone whose not

> constantly

> > > > visiting a doctor. They may only notice the extreme palps,

> breathlessness,

> > > > etc....and may ignore it. She always ignored it and never told anyone

> > > until

> > > > the heart muscle had worn out. She is former medical

> personnel. Having a

> > > > " fast " heart rate is not the same thing, though that will have it's own

> > > > repercussions, but I don't know if it leads to this particular

> > > arrythmia. I

> > > > am not a doctor nor do I play one on tv, but I do work with the elderly

> > > on a

> > > > nursing floor, and not a LICENSED nurse. The idiot doctor who said

> > > quote he

> > > > " never heard of this " (referring to one of the posts below) needs his

> > > > license pulled because of the solution he suggested of just simply

> turning

> > > > off the alarm clock, without investigating anything further.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Jul,

Have you had your aldosterone checked? Mine was really low. Haven't

had any problems with heart fluttering since I got that taken care

of. Was even able to raise my Armour a bit too.

Darla

> > > > The only arrythmia that I'm familar with using shock to

reregulate is

> > > Atrial

> > > > Fibrillation or commonly known as A-Fib. This is found a lot

in elderly

> > > > people whose hearts have disregulated and some other people.

I can

> > > tell you

> > > > that, if the heart has been in A-Fib for a long time, it's

not as likely

> > > > that they will be able to " reset " , and I think that would be

on acct of

> > > > other disregulations that have occurred on acct of

readjustments with the

> > > > A-Fib. They do give certain blood pressure and arrythmia

meds to help ease

> > > > the strain on the blood vessels, heart muscle, and to help

reregulate the

> > > > depth of the heart rate and rhythm, this is not the same as

completely

> > > > changing the electrical mode in there. It is an electrical

thing, and if

> > > > you've ever seen what the heart is doing while in this mode,

you would see

> > > > what I'm talking about. It's one of those where the

electricity is

> > > throwing

> > > > vibes virtually bouncing all over the inside of the heart,

like a wire that

> > > > is " on the loose " , throwing electrical pulses everywhere. It

sort of looks

> > > > like sparks flying everywhere, so to speak. There are some

more modern

> > > > updates to this, but it can't always be reset. Long ongoing

> > > hyperthyroidism

> > > > is famous also for causing this one. A weakened wild atrium

is responsible

> > > > for this one, and it will eventually cause an enlarged and

stiff (stenosed)

> > > > worn out left ventricle that has been very overworked on acct

of this

> > > > particular arrythmia, over time. This would mean that the

left

> > > ventricle is

> > > > no longer shunting the blood properly and not opening and

closing properly.

> > > > These are just details of the one arrythmia and some of the

scenarios from

> > > > it. Is this the arrythmia that you have, or have you had

this checked out?

> > > > This has nothing to do with the sometimes prevalent condition

of the mitral

> > > > valve, which is another whole scenario, and is common among

hypos who have

> > > > been that way for a very long time, i.e., MVP (Mitral Valve

Prolapse),

> > > where

> > > > that little valve has stretched out to the point where it

doesn't " snap "

> > > > back up into the opening that allows blood not to do a

backward flow. Most

> > > > cardiologists don't consider that particular one to be very

very serious,

> > > > unless the blood is moving backwards enough to cause a

significant amt of

> > > > backward blood flow. The A-Fib is very serious and will

eventually result

> > > > in the above mentioned worn out left ventricle. There are

many types of

> > > > arrhthmias with differing scenarios. This is just one of

them. My mother

> > > > opted to not have her A-Fib " reset " because she was already

in congestive

> > > > heart failure (the next to final result of this, worn out

heart muscle that

> > > > has overworked for quite some time) at age 75 or beyond, as a

result of

> > > this

> > > > being undiscovered. She had probably had this arrythmia for

over 10 to 15

> > > > yrs at the time she went into heart failure. She is now 82

going on

> > > 83. So

> > > > often, this is how it happens, especially with someone whose

not constantly

> > > > visiting a doctor. They may only notice the extreme palps,

breathlessness,

> > > > etc....and may ignore it. She always ignored it and never

told anyone

> > > until

> > > > the heart muscle had worn out. She is former medical

personnel. Having a

> > > > " fast " heart rate is not the same thing, though that will

have it's own

> > > > repercussions, but I don't know if it leads to this particular

> > > arrythmia. I

> > > > am not a doctor nor do I play one on tv, but I do work with

the elderly

> > > on a

> > > > nursing floor, and not a LICENSED nurse. The idiot doctor

who said

> > > quote he

> > > > " never heard of this " (referring to one of the posts below)

needs his

> > > > license pulled because of the solution he suggested of just

simply turning

> > > > off the alarm clock, without investigating anything further.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

9 or 10 months now I think. Dr wanted me to continue on them awhile

longer as well as try testosterone cream (which I was pretty low in)

which has been for 2 months. Hasn't done anything that I can tell. I

haven't seen her yet for my follow-up but will at some point this

month or next. My last couple of AM blood cortisol test were perfect

(numbers high in range) but my saliva test several months back were on

the lower end of all, the middle 2 were depressed. She said I was

" hanging on by a thread " and thought supplements were a better

alternative for me. I have not retested as I can't afford another

saliva test just yet.

I might be able to talk her into HC at some point but not until I give

her way a chance first. She's very afraid of HC unfortunately.

> How long have you been on supplements and have you retested? What has your

> doctor said about the " progress " ?

>

> Kate G

[Guest guest]

No, I don't believe I have. I hadn't heard of it until recently

actually. I don't have much heart fluttering really though I do on

occasion. But the fairly hard pounding at times is bothersome,

especially when I'm trying to get to sleep.

Is it just a blood test to have checked? Anything I need to know

about it other than just asking her for it at my next appointment?

Jul

> Hi Jul,

>

> Have you had your aldosterone checked? Mine was really low. Haven't

> had any problems with heart fluttering since I got that taken care

> of. Was even able to raise my Armour a bit too.

>

> Darla

>

[Guest guest]

i knkow heart palpitations are a sign of hypothyroidism - guess it could also be caused by hyperthyroidism, but i know i have them at times, especially moreso when the thyroid was undertreated.

steph

Re: Re: Having really bad heart fluttering

9 or 10 months now I think. Dr wanted me to continue on them awhile

longer as well as try testosterone cream (which I was pretty low in)

which has been for 2 months. Hasn't done anything that I can tell. I

haven't seen her yet for my follow-up but will at some point this

month or next. My last couple of AM blood cortisol test were perfect

(numbers high in range) but my saliva test several months back were on

the lower end of all, the middle 2 were depressed. She said I was

"hanging on by a thread" and thought supplements were a better

alternative for me. I have not retested as I can't afford another

saliva test just yet.

I might be able to talk her into HC at some point but not until I give

her way a chance first. She's very afraid of HC unfortunately.

> How long have you been on supplements and have you retested? What has your

> doctor said about the "progress"?

>

> Kate G

[Guest guest]

If you are in the upper end of the am range, then supplement might be the

best way to handle it. Have you asked he what make her afraid of

HC? Have you read Safe Uses of Cortisol? Does she understand it is low

doses? When is she going retest?

Kate G

At 11:55 PM 1/1/2008, you wrote:

>9 or 10 months now I think. Dr wanted me to continue on them awhile

>longer as well as try testosterone cream (which I was pretty low in)

>which has been for 2 months. Hasn't done anything that I can tell. I

>haven't seen her yet for my follow-up but will at some point this

>month or next. My last couple of AM blood cortisol test were perfect

>(numbers high in range) but my saliva test several months back were on

>the lower end of all, the middle 2 were depressed. She said I was

> " hanging on by a thread " and thought supplements were a better

>alternative for me. I have not retested as I can't afford another

>saliva test just yet.

>

>I might be able to talk her into HC at some point but not until I give

>her way a chance first. She's very afraid of HC unfortunately.

>

>

> > How long have you been on supplements and have you retested? What has your

> > doctor said about the " progress " ?

> >

> > Kate G

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think she's had patients who've ended up in the ER from taking too much. She said it could became almost like a drug where you feel you need more and more because it wears off after awhile? Something like that. I told her I wouldn't ever take more than I was prescribed but I think she's just afraid to go there now. Also said that once you're on it and then try to wean off, some people's body's don't restart making it again and then you're on it for life. I need to get a copy of that book. I keep forgetting to look it up at work (I work in a bookstore). I'll try to do that this week and order one in if I need to. JulOn Jan 2, 2008 11:50 AM, Kate Guynn <

kguynn@...> wrote:If you are in the upper end of the am range, then supplement might be the

best way to handle it. Have you asked he what make her afraid ofHC? Have you read Safe Uses of Cortisol? Does she understand it is lowdoses? When is she going retest?Kate G

At 11:55 PM 1/1/2008, you wrote:>9 or 10 months now I think. Dr wanted me to continue on them awhile>longer as well as try testosterone cream (which I was pretty low in)>which has been for 2 months. Hasn't done anything that I can tell. I

>haven't seen her yet for my follow-up but will at some point this>month or next. My last couple of AM blood cortisol test were perfect>(numbers high in range) but my saliva test several months back were on

>the lower end of all, the middle 2 were depressed. She said I was> " hanging on by a thread " and thought supplements were a better>alternative for me. I have not retested as I can't afford another

>saliva test just yet.>>I might be able to talk her into HC at some point but not until I give>her way a chance first. She's very afraid of HC unfortunately.>>On Jan 1, 2008 9:08 PM, Kate Guynn <

kguynn@...> wrote:> > How long have you been on supplements and have you retested? What has your> > doctor said about the " progress " ?

> >> > Kate G>>>>

[Guest guest]

Jul

Mine heart was worse at night too and would wake me up often.

Aldosterone is a blood test. If you are using sea salt you want to

refrain from using it and other salt for a few days before the test.

You might ask to have renin checked with it as well.

Darla

> > Hi Jul,

> >

> > Have you had your aldosterone checked? Mine was really low.

Haven't had any problems with heart fluttering since I got that taken

care of. Was even able to raise my Armour a bit too.

> >

> > Darla

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jul,

Are you near DFW? May I ask who you are going to?

Darla

> > > > How long have you been on supplements and have you retested?

What has

> > your

> > > > doctor said about the " progress " ?

> > > >

> > > > Kate G

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Darla - will do! And to answer your other question on another

email, I'm seeing Dr Owens in Mesquite.

Jul

> Jul

>

> Mine heart was worse at night too and would wake me up often.

>

> Aldosterone is a blood test. If you are using sea salt you want to

> refrain from using it and other salt for a few days before the test.

> You might ask to have renin checked with it as well.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jul. I thought you were seeing Dr Owens. I hear good things

about her, but her lack of adrenal support really scares me. Most docs

around here are like that tho.

Darla

>

> Thanks Darla - will do! And to answer your other question on another

> email, I'm seeing Dr Owens in Mesquite.

>

> Jul

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I put up with it currently because she's been great so far with

me on all the other stuff and way way better than the 3 other doctors

I've been to recently. And she hasn't said " no way ever no how " on

HC so I think I have a chance of convincing her eventually.

> Thanks Jul. I thought you were seeing Dr Owens. I hear good things

> about her, but her lack of adrenal support really scares me. Most docs

> around here are like that tho.

>

> Darla

>

>

> >

> > Thanks Darla - will do! And to answer your other question on another

> > email, I'm seeing Dr Owens in Mesquite.

> >

> > Jul

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I certainly understand that Jul. I know that everyone just loves her

and says she is open minded.

I am going to try this PA I have heard about in Keller in the next few

months. I just do not have the time to drive all the way to Mesquite

right now.

Best of luck.

Darla

>

> Yeah, I put up with it currently because she's been great so far with

> me on all the other stuff and way way better than the 3 other doctors

> I've been to recently. And she hasn't said " no way ever no how " on

> HC so I think I have a chance of convincing her eventually.