Re: Re: Prego Dog Question/

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A word of caution on the bones- I worked

for a vet for about 3 years and fishing chicken bones out the GI track of dogs

was a pretty regular occurrence. Cooked bones are softer and easier to digest,

but fact is, either one can and does cause problems. It only takes one sharp

shard to puncture the intestine and cause a leak which can kill a dog surprisingly

fast. Have seen it with my own eyes.

They are also known for causing bowl obstruction

as the bones get stuck cross ways and block things up.

After watching these poor dogs suffer, I

would never give any of my dogs chicken bones of any

kind. Only those nice thick marrow bones used for soups.

Another interesting feeding bit- if you

have a large dog, only feed them small amounts through out the day. One really

large meal can cause the stomach to twist and turn totally around!!! A real emergency situation, and very painful, as you can imagine.

Requires ER surgery to untwist it and if you don’t catch it fast enough,

portions of the stomach will have died from lack of blood.

I totally agree with Anne’s birthing

suggestions too. Most animals do better with little intervention. Only

interfere if you HAVE to. It is good to know how many babies you have in there

though. Sometimes that last one doesn’t want to exist.

;-)

Carol in IL

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Actually, the RAW bones are softer and easier to digest. I'd bet you never "regularly" fished a raw chicken bone out of any GI tracks. Many dogs get into the garbage and ingest cooked ones on the sly.

As with anything in life, there are risks to feeding raw and risks to feeding kibble (choking on kibble, eating 3D/non-nutritious food, ingesting toxic dyes and preservatives, etc.). I prefer to feed my dog real food and have never had a problem with bones. If it doesn't digest after a period of time, it comes back up. And I toss it away.

And unfortunately there is very little nutritive value in those nice thick marrow bones used for soups. Fun and a good tooth/jaw workout, maybe....along with the risk of breaking a tooth on a too-hard bone....but very little nutrition.

Sharyn

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A word of caution on the bones- I worked for a vet for about 3 years and fishing chicken bones out the GI track of dogs was a pretty regular occurrence. Cooked bones are softer and easier to digest, but fact is, either one can and does cause problems. It only takes one sharp shard to puncture the intestine and cause a leak which can kill a dog surprisingly fast. Have seen it with my own eyes.

They are also known for causing bowl obstruction as the bones get stuck cross ways and block things up.

After watching these poor dogs suffer, I would never give any of my dogs chicken bones of any kind. Only those nice thick marrow bones used for soups.

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Hi Carol, I don't know how you can say that cooked bones are easier to digest UNLESS you are proposing that we put them in the pressure cooker to soften them (which makes them pliable) :-) RAW bones from chicken are naturally softer, and don't have the propensity to break off in sharp pieces and pierce the intestines. Yes, it is possible that dogs can choke on bones, and that is why people who feed raw always keep an eye on their dogs when they are eating. I tend not to feed the large weight-bearing bones from large ungulates to my dogs, as these bones ARE hard, and can break their teeth. (been there, done that, got the vet bill for tooth removal - poor dog!) I know that vets are very anti raw feeding. Not surprisingly, since their course in nutrition was given by Hills (makers of Science Diet) who wrote the text book. Not only that, but they often freak out when an x-ray reveals bone fragments in the stomach which are often just in the process of being digested and not causing an obstruction at all...... Cheers, and the K9's A word of caution on the bones- I worked for a vet for about 3 years and fishing chicken bones out the GI track of dogs was a pretty regular occurrence. Cooked bones are softer and easier to digest, but fact is, either one can and does cause problems.

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No seriously, we DID. We tried to tell people that both

cause problems, but well…they never believe you till it happens to their

dog.

And yep.. garbage is a HUGE problem for dogs. People seem to think

that a dog will naturally know what it can and can not eat, and I am here to

tell you from experience that is NOT true. Dogs do more damage to themselves

than people or cars inflict upon them. The whole GI thing was practically a daily occurrence.

Not the big GI issues that required surgery, but we have had to knock out quite a few dogs to go fishing up the rectum for things stuck in

there, nursing them through serious GI

upset, trying to maintain them after ingesting things toxic to dogs (

onions and chocolate come to mind) etc etc

Carol in IL

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From: Sharyn Cerniglia

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Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:59 AM

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Subject: RE:

Re: Prego Dog Question/

Actually, the RAW bones

are softer and easier to digest. I'd bet you never

" regularly " fished a raw chicken bone out of any GI

tracks. Many dogs get into the garbage and ingest cooked ones on the sly.

As with anything in life,

there are risks to feeding raw and risks to feeding kibble (choking on kibble,

eating 3D/non-nutritious food, ingesting toxic dyes and preservatives,

etc.). I prefer to feed my dog real food and have never had a problem

with bones. If it doesn't digest after a period of time, it comes back

up. And I toss it away.

And unfortunately there

is very little nutritive value in those nice thick marrow bones used for

soups. Fun and a good tooth/jaw workout, maybe....along with the risk of

breaking a tooth on a too-hard bone....but very little nutrition.

Sharyn

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Sharyn Cerniglia wrote:

> Actually, the RAW bones are softer and easier to digest. I'd bet you

> never " regularly " fished a raw chicken bone out of any GI tracks.

> Many dogs get into the garbage and ingest cooked ones on the sly.

>

> As with anything in life, there are risks to feeding raw and risks to

> feeding kibble (choking on kibble, eating 3D/non-nutritious food,

> ingesting toxic dyes and preservatives, etc.). I prefer to feed my

> dog real food and have never had a problem with bones. If it doesn't

> digest after a period of time, it comes back up. And I toss it away.

>

> And unfortunately there is very little nutritive value in those nice

> thick marrow bones used for soups. Fun and a good tooth/jaw workout,

> maybe....along with the risk of breaking a tooth on a too-hard

> bone....but very little nutrition.

>

> Sharyn

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Part of the problem here is a lot of folks don't have bone burial

grounds for their dogs bones. If the dog can't bury the bone he/she will

still do their best to eat it. When the bones get buried the bacteria

and natural enzymes take over and in several months time that bone is

nice and soft and easy to chew. That is a fact. If your dog can't bury

his/her bone then don't give them any. Otherwise, there is no problem as

long as they are 100% raw.

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" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "