Re: Allergy Symptoms? Diet help....

[Guest guest]

Kari,

Yes, usually people change to the diet before seeing Dr. G- and it does

sound like you understand the basics. I would think it would be easier for you

since your son sounds like a good eater.

I'm not sure what Dr. G will say since you haven't seen any change with the

removal of casein- I suppose it will depend on the food panel blood test. Most

people I know of do see changes within a few days to a few weeks but each child

is different.

- in Mobile, AL

__________________________

Reality lies beyond the horizon...

Wonderwegian

Allergy Symptoms? Diet help....

Hey Everybody-

We'll be seeing Dr. Goldberg, for my son's initial visit, within the

next 2 months.

Here's my question: does anybody know as to whether or not I should

be implementing the dietary changes NOW, before I've seen Dr.

Goldberg or had any of the lab work done?

To my knowledge, my son does not have an allergy or sensitivity to

any foods. No gastrointestional distress, no vomitting, diarrhea, no

rashes, no eczema. He'll eat just about anything, with a few

exceptions.

Does this mean he doesn't have food allergies? We took him off

casein 2 weeks ago and haven't seen any real changes physically or in

his behavior. Is it too soon to tell?

I'm also still confused about what really is/is not okay re: gluten

on this diet. I've gotten the " Diet Do's & Don'ts " off the web.

Basically, what I understand, is that bread is okay...just make sure

it's super processed. NO whole grains of any kind. You can have

waffles, pancakes, cereal, crackers...etc, just as long as it's not

whole grain, contain casein or potential allergens (specific to your

child).

Am I in the ball park?

I guess I'm still trying to reconcile the HUGE differences between

Dr. Goldberg's recommendations and the DAN! Dr. Protocol. Here's

another questions: what does Dr. Goldberg think about the theory of

the " opiate effect " these foods cause?

I know so many of you have been where I am at. Any suggestions or

advice would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to email me directly

if you'd like.

Kari Simpson

[Guest guest]

Hi, Kari.

We just saw Dr. Goldberg for the first time this past Wednesday. Our son has

been GFCF since he was 4 (7 now). This past November, I began letting him have

casein (just cheese, sour cream and the occasional ice cream--we try to stay

away from glasses of milk) again and we noticed no difference in behavior/mood,

etc. He has an allergy to wheat, so he remains gluten free. After talking to Dr.

Goldberg, I've removed the bovine milk products from his diet. He drinks goat's

milk, which really doesn't taste much different from cow's milk and I use goat

cheese on gf pizzas, tacos, etc. So far, he seems to be accepting the changes.

Ice cream will be our big issue as is limiting his fruit intake. I was told by

his ped when he was four that he had a gluten sensitivity but that I didn't have

to take him off all gluten--just limit it. I'll be curious to see what his food

panel results are because that test was mysteriously missing from his medical

records when I received them. If he

isn't allergic, I plan on putting him back on a highly processed bread; he

really misses it and doesn't like ANY of the GF subs, except for the waffles.

Anyway, hope that helps. Let us know how your first appointment goes. My

husband and I were totally impressed and we finally believe there is someone out

there who can treat our son. He has migraines, seizures and cyclical vomiting

syndrome in addition to the " A " word.

All the best,

Robyn

Wonderwegian & Chile J & C <carriecox@...> wrote:

Kari,

Yes, usually people change to the diet before seeing Dr. G- and it does

sound like you understand the basics. I would think it would be easier for you

since your son sounds like a good eater.

I'm not sure what Dr. G will say since you haven't seen any change with the

removal of casein- I suppose it will depend on the food panel blood test. Most

people I know of do see changes within a few days to a few weeks but each child

is different.

- in Mobile, AL

__________________________

Reality lies beyond the horizon...

Wonderwegian

Allergy Symptoms? Diet help....

Hey Everybody-

We'll be seeing Dr. Goldberg, for my son's initial visit, within the

next 2 months.

Here's my question: does anybody know as to whether or not I should

be implementing the dietary changes NOW, before I've seen Dr.

Goldberg or had any of the lab work done?

To my knowledge, my son does not have an allergy or sensitivity to

any foods. No gastrointestional distress, no vomitting, diarrhea, no

rashes, no eczema. He'll eat just about anything, with a few

exceptions.

Does this mean he doesn't have food allergies? We took him off

casein 2 weeks ago and haven't seen any real changes physically or in

his behavior. Is it too soon to tell?

I'm also still confused about what really is/is not okay re: gluten

on this diet. I've gotten the " Diet Do's & Don'ts " off the web.

Basically, what I understand, is that bread is okay...just make sure

it's super processed. NO whole grains of any kind. You can have

waffles, pancakes, cereal, crackers...etc, just as long as it's not

whole grain, contain casein or potential allergens (specific to your

child).

Am I in the ball park?

I guess I'm still trying to reconcile the HUGE differences between

Dr. Goldberg's recommendations and the DAN! Dr. Protocol. Here's

another questions: what does Dr. Goldberg think about the theory of

the " opiate effect " these foods cause?

I know so many of you have been where I am at. Any suggestions or

advice would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to email me directly

if you'd like.

Kari Simpson

[Guest guest]

Thank you everybody who took the time and effort to reply back to my

huge message. I am very curious to see what his labs come back

with. Here's a question: don't you have to be consuming the

offending substance in order to show if you have an allergy to it or

not? If we take him off of the gluten/casein for 3-4 weeks, then get

the labs, won't the results be inaccurate? Can it actually show an

allergy for a substance that you aren't currently consuming?

If I may, how long and what occured during your first appointment?

We're coming from Utah and really don't want to drive all that way

for a typical 20 minute office visit....

Thanks again!

Kari

-- In , Robyn & Greg Coggins <rngcoggs@...> wrote:

>

> Hi, Kari.

>

> We just saw Dr. Goldberg for the first time this past Wednesday.

Our son has been GFCF since he was 4 (7 now). This past November, I

began letting him have casein (just cheese, sour cream and the

occasional ice cream--we try to stay away from glasses of milk) again

and we noticed no difference in behavior/mood, etc. He has an allergy

to wheat, so he remains gluten free. After talking to Dr. Goldberg,

I've removed the bovine milk products from his diet. He drinks goat's

milk, which really doesn't taste much different from cow's milk and I

use goat cheese on gf pizzas, tacos, etc. So far, he seems to be

accepting the changes. Ice cream will be our big issue as is limiting

his fruit intake. I was told by his ped when he was four that he had

a gluten sensitivity but that I didn't have to take him off all

gluten--just limit it. I'll be curious to see what his food panel

results are because that test was mysteriously missing from his

medical records when I received them. If he

> isn't allergic, I plan on putting him back on a highly processed

bread; he really misses it and doesn't like ANY of the GF subs,

except for the waffles.

>

> Anyway, hope that helps. Let us know how your first appointment

goes. My husband and I were totally impressed and we finally believe

there is someone out there who can treat our son. He has migraines,

seizures and cyclical vomiting syndrome in addition to the " A " word.

>

> All the best,

>

> Robyn

>

> Wonderwegian & Chile J & C <carriecox@...> wrote:

> Kari,

>

> Yes, usually people change to the diet before seeing Dr. G-

and it does sound like you understand the basics. I would think it

would be easier for you since your son sounds like a good eater.

> I'm not sure what Dr. G will say since you haven't seen any change

with the removal of casein- I suppose it will depend on the food

panel blood test. Most people I know of do see changes within a few

days to a few weeks but each child is different.

>

> - in Mobile, AL

>

> __________________________

> Reality lies beyond the horizon...

> Wonderwegian

>

> Allergy Symptoms? Diet help....

>

> Hey Everybody-

>

> We'll be seeing Dr. Goldberg, for my son's initial visit, within

the

> next 2 months.

>

> Here's my question: does anybody know as to whether or not I should

> be implementing the dietary changes NOW, before I've seen Dr.

> Goldberg or had any of the lab work done?

>

> To my knowledge, my son does not have an allergy or sensitivity to

> any foods. No gastrointestional distress, no vomitting, diarrhea,

no

> rashes, no eczema. He'll eat just about anything, with a few

> exceptions.

>

> Does this mean he doesn't have food allergies? We took him off

> casein 2 weeks ago and haven't seen any real changes physically or

in

> his behavior. Is it too soon to tell?

>

> I'm also still confused about what really is/is not okay re: gluten

> on this diet. I've gotten the " Diet Do's & Don'ts " off the web.

> Basically, what I understand, is that bread is okay...just make

sure

> it's super processed. NO whole grains of any kind. You can have

> waffles, pancakes, cereal, crackers...etc, just as long as it's not

> whole grain, contain casein or potential allergens (specific to

your

> child).

>

> Am I in the ball park?

>

> I guess I'm still trying to reconcile the HUGE differences between

> Dr. Goldberg's recommendations and the DAN! Dr. Protocol. Here's

> another questions: what does Dr. Goldberg think about the theory of

> the " opiate effect " these foods cause?

>

> I know so many of you have been where I am at. Any suggestions or

> advice would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to email me directly

> if you'd like.

>

> Kari Simpson

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son was on the diet for 3-4 months and then the GF/CF diet for about 8

months BEFORE that and his food panel test still showed allergic to dairy, etc.

So, no, you don't have to be eating the foods to show reaction to them.

The first office visit, and any returning office visits for out-of-towners, is

usually one to one and a half hours. Well worth the drive/flight. And you have

the other part of the day to sight-see or whatever.

- in Mobile, AL

CTR

__________________________

Reality lies beyond the horizon...

Wonderwegian

Allergy Symptoms? Diet help....

>

> Hey Everybody-

>

> We'll be seeing Dr. Goldberg, for my son's initial visit, within

the

> next 2 months.

>

> Here's my question: does anybody know as to whether or not I should

> be implementing the dietary changes NOW, before I've seen Dr.

> Goldberg or had any of the lab work done?

>

> To my knowledge, my son does not have an allergy or sensitivity to

> any foods. No gastrointestional distress, no vomitting, diarrhea,

no

> rashes, no eczema. He'll eat just about anything, with a few

> exceptions.

>

> Does this mean he doesn't have food allergies? We took him off

> casein 2 weeks ago and haven't seen any real changes physically or

in

> his behavior. Is it too soon to tell?

>

> I'm also still confused about what really is/is not okay re: gluten

> on this diet. I've gotten the " Diet Do's & Don'ts " off the web.

> Basically, what I understand, is that bread is okay...just make

sure

> it's super processed. NO whole grains of any kind. You can have

> waffles, pancakes, cereal, crackers...etc, just as long as it's not

> whole grain, contain casein or potential allergens (specific to

your

> child).

>

> Am I in the ball park?

>

> I guess I'm still trying to reconcile the HUGE differences between

> Dr. Goldberg's recommendations and the DAN! Dr. Protocol. Here's

> another questions: what does Dr. Goldberg think about the theory of

> the " opiate effect " these foods cause?

>

> I know so many of you have been where I am at. Any suggestions or

> advice would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to email me directly

> if you'd like.

>

> Kari Simpson

>

>

[Guest guest]

We just had our first appointment this past week. Our appointment was for 11:20.

We were in with Dr, G from about noon to 2:00 and then we did the bloodwork. It

is well worth the trip, believe me. My 7 year old son's medical records are in

excess of 150 pages. Dr. G had read each and every page and he had about 100

sticky notes to go through with us. His staff is wonderful and are very good at

drawing labs and keeping the kids calm. After seeing countless doctors,

procedures and lab tests (my son has a seizure disorder, food allergies,

migraines and CVS), I feel we are finally on the right track with Dr. Goldberg.

Good luck,

Robyn

Wonderwegian & Chile J & C <carriecox@...> wrote:

My son was on the diet for 3-4 months and then the GF/CF diet for

about 8 months BEFORE that and his food panel test still showed allergic to

dairy, etc. So, no, you don't have to be eating the foods to show reaction to

them.

The first office visit, and any returning office visits for out-of-towners, is

usually one to one and a half hours. Well worth the drive/flight. And you have

the other part of the day to sight-see or whatever.

- in Mobile, AL

CTR

__________________________

Reality lies beyond the horizon...

Wonderwegian

Allergy Symptoms? Diet help....

>

> Hey Everybody-

>

> We'll be seeing Dr. Goldberg, for my son's initial visit, within

the

> next 2 months.

>

> Here's my question: does anybody know as to whether or not I should

> be implementing the dietary changes NOW, before I've seen Dr.

> Goldberg or had any of the lab work done?

>

> To my knowledge, my son does not have an allergy or sensitivity to

> any foods. No gastrointestional distress, no vomitting, diarrhea,

no

> rashes, no eczema. He'll eat just about anything, with a few

> exceptions.

>

> Does this mean he doesn't have food allergies? We took him off

> casein 2 weeks ago and haven't seen any real changes physically or

in

> his behavior. Is it too soon to tell?

>

> I'm also still confused about what really is/is not okay re: gluten

> on this diet. I've gotten the " Diet Do's & Don'ts " off the web.

> Basically, what I understand, is that bread is okay...just make

sure

> it's super processed. NO whole grains of any kind. You can have

> waffles, pancakes, cereal, crackers...etc, just as long as it's not

> whole grain, contain casein or potential allergens (specific to

your

> child).

>

> Am I in the ball park?

>

> I guess I'm still trying to reconcile the HUGE differences between

> Dr. Goldberg's recommendations and the DAN! Dr. Protocol. Here's

> another questions: what does Dr. Goldberg think about the theory of

> the " opiate effect " these foods cause?

>

> I know so many of you have been where I am at. Any suggestions or

> advice would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to email me directly

> if you'd like.

>

> Kari Simpson

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, you don't have to be on the foods for the lab work. I believe

the way it is done is they put the food into the blood and look at

the response the blood has to the food. I don't know all the

scientific words and procedures used but you do not need to be eating

them to find out if you are sensitive. It's a different type of

allergy panel as it's not looking for true allergies but rather

sensitivities. My son came up sensitive to foods he's never even

seen, much less eaten.

cheryl

On Feb 2, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Kari wrote:

> Thank you everybody who took the time and effort to reply back to my

> huge message. I am very curious to see what his labs come back

> with. Here's a question: don't you have to be consuming the

> offending substance in order to show if you have an allergy to it or

> not? If we take him off of the gluten/casein for 3-4 weeks, then get

> the labs, won't the results be inaccurate? Can it actually show an

> allergy for a substance that you aren't currently consuming?

>

> If I may, how long and what occured during your first appointment?

> We're coming from Utah and really don't want to drive all that way

> for a typical 20 minute office visit....

>

> Thanks again!

>

> Kari

> -- In , Robyn & Greg Coggins <rngcoggs@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi, Kari.

> >

> > We just saw Dr. Goldberg for the first time this past Wednesday.

> Our son has been GFCF since he was 4 (7 now). This past November, I

> began letting him have casein (just cheese, sour cream and the

> occasional ice cream--we try to stay away from glasses of milk) again

> and we noticed no difference in behavior/mood, etc. He has an allergy

> to wheat, so he remains gluten free. After talking to Dr. Goldberg,

> I've removed the bovine milk products from his diet. He drinks goat's

> milk, which really doesn't taste much different from cow's milk and I

> use goat cheese on gf pizzas, tacos, etc. So far, he seems to be

> accepting the changes. Ice cream will be our big issue as is limiting

> his fruit intake. I was told by his ped when he was four that he had

> a gluten sensitivity but that I didn't have to take him off all

> gluten--just limit it. I'll be curious to see what his food panel

> results are because that test was mysteriously missing from his

> medical records when I received them. If he

> > isn't allergic, I plan on putting him back on a highly processed

> bread; he really misses it and doesn't like ANY of the GF subs,

> except for the waffles.

> >

> > Anyway, hope that helps. Let us know how your first appointment

> goes. My husband and I were totally impressed and we finally believe

> there is someone out there who can treat our son. He has migraines,

> seizures and cyclical vomiting syndrome in addition to the " A " word.

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Robyn

> >

> > Wonderwegian & Chile J & C <carriecox@...> wrote:

> > Kari,

> >

> > Yes, usually people change to the diet before seeing Dr. G-

> and it does sound like you understand the basics. I would think it

> would be easier for you since your son sounds like a good eater.

> > I'm not sure what Dr. G will say since you haven't seen any change

> with the removal of casein- I suppose it will depend on the food

> panel blood test. Most people I know of do see changes within a few

> days to a few weeks but each child is different.

> >

> > - in Mobile, AL

> >

> > __________________________

> > Reality lies beyond the horizon...

> > Wonderwegian

> >

> > Allergy Symptoms? Diet help....

> >

> > Hey Everybody-

> >

> > We'll be seeing Dr. Goldberg, for my son's initial visit, within

> the

> > next 2 months.

> >

> > Here's my question: does anybody know as to whether or not I should

> > be implementing the dietary changes NOW, before I've seen Dr.

> > Goldberg or had any of the lab work done?

> >

> > To my knowledge, my son does not have an allergy or sensitivity to

> > any foods. No gastrointestional distress, no vomitting, diarrhea,

> no

> > rashes, no eczema. He'll eat just about anything, with a few

> > exceptions.

> >

> > Does this mean he doesn't have food allergies? We took him off

> > casein 2 weeks ago and haven't seen any real changes physically or

> in

> > his behavior. Is it too soon to tell?

> >

> > I'm also still confused about what really is/is not okay re: gluten

> > on this diet. I've gotten the " Diet Do's & Don'ts " off the web.

> > Basically, what I understand, is that bread is okay...just make

> sure

> > it's super processed. NO whole grains of any kind. You can have

> > waffles, pancakes, cereal, crackers...etc, just as long as it's not

> > whole grain, contain casein or potential allergens (specific to

> your

> > child).

> >

> > Am I in the ball park?

> >

> > I guess I'm still trying to reconcile the HUGE differences between

> > Dr. Goldberg's recommendations and the DAN! Dr. Protocol. Here's

> > another questions: what does Dr. Goldberg think about the theory of

> > the " opiate effect " these foods cause?

> >

> > I know so many of you have been where I am at. Any suggestions or

> > advice would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to email me directly

> > if you'd like.

> >

> > Kari Simpson

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't know an answer to the first question. But we flew all the way from

Oklahoma in December to see Dr. G. I'm not sure how long we were there ( I lost

track of time), but it was a long appointment.

Allergy Symptoms? Diet help....

>

> Hey Everybody-

>

> We'll be seeing Dr. Goldberg, for my son's initial visit, within

the

> next 2 months.

>

> Here's my question: does anybody know as to whether or not I should

> be implementing the dietary changes NOW, before I've seen Dr.

> Goldberg or had any of the lab work done?

>

> To my knowledge, my son does not have an allergy or sensitivity to

> any foods. No gastrointestional distress, no vomitting, diarrhea,

no

> rashes, no eczema. He'll eat just about anything, with a few

> exceptions.

>

> Does this mean he doesn't have food allergies? We took him off

> casein 2 weeks ago and haven't seen any real changes physically or

in

> his behavior. Is it too soon to tell?

>

> I'm also still confused about what really is/is not okay re: gluten

> on this diet. I've gotten the " Diet Do's & Don'ts " off the web.

> Basically, what I understand, is that bread is okay...just make

sure

> it's super processed. NO whole grains of any kind. You can have

> waffles, pancakes, cereal, crackers...etc, just as long as it's not

> whole grain, contain casein or potential allergens (specific to

your

> child).

>

> Am I in the ball park?

>

> I guess I'm still trying to reconcile the HUGE differences between

> Dr. Goldberg's recommendations and the DAN! Dr. Protocol. Here's

> another questions: what does Dr. Goldberg think about the theory of

> the " opiate effect " these foods cause?

>

> I know so many of you have been where I am at. Any suggestions or

> advice would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to email me directly

> if you'd like.

>

> Kari Simpson

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Kari-

Sadly the food screen is really only a little helpful.

It's primary purpose is to screen to see just how

badly activated the immune system is to foods. And

it's accuracy is not great. Some kids are so bad off

that almost all their foods show up positive, yet in

the beginning they do the diet too. And some

foods may be positive (ie eggs) that you don't have to

stop (unless there is eczema in the case of eggs for

example). Also dairy often doesn't show up on the

screen as a problem and yet we still have to be off

dairy.

So it's a useful tool but good or bad results are

really mostly data. Whether a child has to stop the

positives will depend on other lab readings and

observations as well (ie elevated eosiniphils, etc).

So that can be good and bad. You don't necessarily

have to stop everything, but you don't have a test

that can accurately solve the mystery of food

reactions, either. It's going to vary so much - some

people have had to stop every positive food, but most

of the time it is not that accurate.

HTH-

--- Kari <simpsonkari@...> wrote:

> Thank you everybody who took the time and effort to

> reply back to my

> huge message. I am very curious to see what his

> labs come back

> with. Here's a question: don't you have to be

> consuming the

> offending substance in order to show if you have an

> allergy to it or

> not? If we take him off of the gluten/casein for

> 3-4 weeks, then get

> the labs, won't the results be inaccurate? Can it

> actually show an

> allergy for a substance that you aren't currently

> consuming?

>

> If I may, how long and what occured during your

> first appointment?

> We're coming from Utah and really don't want to

> drive all that way

> for a typical 20 minute office visit....

>

> Thanks again!

>

> Kari

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> > Thank you everybody who took the time and effort to

> > reply back to my

> > huge message. I am very curious to see what his

> > labs come back

> > with. Here's a question: don't you have to be

> > consuming the

> > offending substance in order to show if you have an

> > allergy to it or

> > not? If we take him off of the gluten/casein for

> > 3-4 weeks, then get

> > the labs, won't the results be inaccurate? Can it

> > actually show an

> > allergy for a substance that you aren't currently

> > consuming?

> >

> > If I may, how long and what occured during your

> > first appointment?

> > We're coming from Utah and really don't want to

> > drive all that way

> > for a typical 20 minute office visit....

> >

> > Thanks again!

> >

> > Kari

> >

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

> > Kari,

> >

> > Yes, usually people change to the diet before seeing Dr. G-

> and it does sound like you understand the basics. I would think it

> would be easier for you since your son sounds like a good eater.

> > I'm not sure what Dr. G will say since you haven't seen any

change

> with the removal of casein- I suppose it will depend on the food

> panel blood test. Most people I know of do see changes within a few

> days to a few weeks but each child is different.

> >

> > - in Mobile, AL

> >

> > __________________________

> > Reality lies beyond the horizon...

> > Wonderwegian

> >

> > Allergy Symptoms? Diet help....

> >

> > Hey Everybody-

> >

> > We'll be seeing Dr. Goldberg, for my son's initial visit, within

> the

> > next 2 months.

> >

> > Here's my question: does anybody know as to whether or not I

should

> > be implementing the dietary changes NOW, before I've seen Dr.

> > Goldberg or had any of the lab work done?

> >

> > To my knowledge, my son does not have an allergy or sensitivity

to

> > any foods. No gastrointestional distress, no vomitting, diarrhea,

> no

> > rashes, no eczema. He'll eat just about anything, with a few

> > exceptions.

> >

> > Does this mean he doesn't have food allergies? We took him off

> > casein 2 weeks ago and haven't seen any real changes physically

or

> in

> > his behavior. Is it too soon to tell?

> >

> > I'm also still confused about what really is/is not okay re:

gluten

> > on this diet. I've gotten the " Diet Do's & Don'ts " off the web.

> > Basically, what I understand, is that bread is okay...just make

> sure

> > it's super processed. NO whole grains of any kind. You can have

> > waffles, pancakes, cereal, crackers...etc, just as long as it's

not

> > whole grain, contain casein or potential allergens (specific to

> your

> > child).

> >

> > Am I in the ball park?

> >

> > I guess I'm still trying to reconcile the HUGE differences

between

> > Dr. Goldberg's recommendations and the DAN! Dr. Protocol. Here's

> > another questions: what does Dr. Goldberg think about the theory

of

> > the " opiate effect " these foods cause?

> >

> > I know so many of you have been where I am at. Any suggestions or

> > advice would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to email me

directly

> > if you'd like.

> >

> > Kari Simpson

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Kari-

I think a lot of the basis of understanding - I think

but cannot say this is totally accurate - has to do

with cytokines and chemokines, some of the signalling

proteins responsible for up-regulation and

down-egulation of the immune system. There are

different arms of the immune system - the TH1 and TH2

and TH3 - 1 & 2 are what we're interested in ... one is

the initial inflammatory response and the other

down-regulates and stops the inflammation process.

But there is a shift in our kids, and sometimes one or

both are activated too much and too prolonged.

The cytokines etc (interleukins and on and on - it

isn't simple) are affected by different cells in the

immune system. Natural Killer cells I believe

down-regulate ... they come in and kill off bacteria

or viruses, and signal the immune system that the

battle is over ... and they keep the common viruses

that remain latent in our body suppressed ... they are

low.

They are affected by eosiniphils as well as other

things. (Viruses like HHV6 and EBV and CMV can infect

or modulate the NK cells too.)

A CBC with differential includes eosiniphils - the

usual CBC done in the office doesn't usually include

them, and they're usually only tested and considered

elevated when checking for parasites. Lymphocytes

(white blood cells) are the big players too. I

couldn't possibly explain all of their functions, but

that's where the info just starts.

Milk protein stimulates pro-inflammatory cytokines ...

it's well documented by dairy research and many other

places. It has been shown to increase inflammation in

asthma, for example, as well as chronic sinus problems

and other allergies. That's only one tiny function of

diet. There are many other aspects to foods that have

an impact on our immune system, and some have

nutrients that, when our bodies are out of whack or

stressed, can feed latent viruses or increase their

replication. That's just one part of it though. In a

'hot' overactive immune sytem, diet should be low

allergy to reduce only one of several triggers.

Diet alone is not responsible, and diet alone

typically does not cure. But sometimes relieving one

stressor can bring about significant improvement.

There is so much overwhelming data out there I

couldn't begin to set out ... I'm just trying to think

of the science behind diet...

is mostly about removing triggers, treating and

suppressing infection, and hoping the immune system

can recover and begin regulating itself better.

HTH_

--- Kari <simpsonkari@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > > Thank you everybody who took the time and effort

> to

> > > reply back to my

> > > huge message. I am very curious to see what his

> > > labs come back

> > > with. Here's a question: don't you have to be

> > > consuming the

> > > offending substance in order to show if you have

> an

> > > allergy to it or

> > > not? If we take him off of the gluten/casein

> for

> > > 3-4 weeks, then get

> > > the labs, won't the results be inaccurate? Can

> it

> > > actually show an

> > > allergy for a substance that you aren't

> currently

> > > consuming?

> > >

> > > If I may, how long and what occured during your

> > > first appointment?

> > > We're coming from Utah and really don't want to

> > > drive all that way

> > > for a typical 20 minute office visit....

> > >

> > > Thanks again!

> > >

> > > Kari

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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Some of his patients have the labs done before they see Dr. G and that's

certainly an option. If we had to travel a great distance, I would've done that.

We see him again on 2/20, so we'll get our results then. Noah's records were

about 200 pages long and some of the tests Dr. G requires were contained in his

records already. Plus, I thought we had enough to go over because of Noah's

significant health problems: migraines, seizure disorder, and CVS--all diagnosed

in the last year.

If you can get your current doctor to order them, it would probably be very

beneficial and make the most out of your first visit, especially if you're

traveling a long distance.

Good luck,

Robyn

Kari <simpsonkari@...> wrote:

> > Kari,

> >

> > Yes, usually people change to the diet before seeing Dr. G-

> and it does sound like you understand the basics. I would think it

> would be easier for you since your son sounds like a good eater.

> > I'm not sure what Dr. G will say since you haven't seen any

change

> with the removal of casein- I suppose it will depend on the food

> panel blood test. Most people I know of do see changes within a few

> days to a few weeks but each child is different.

> >

> > - in Mobile, AL

> >

> > __________________________

> > Reality lies beyond the horizon...

> > Wonderwegian

> >

> > Allergy Symptoms? Diet help....

> >

> > Hey Everybody-

> >

> > We'll be seeing Dr. Goldberg, for my son's initial visit, within

> the

> > next 2 months.

> >

> > Here's my question: does anybody know as to whether or not I

should

> > be implementing the dietary changes NOW, before I've seen Dr.

> > Goldberg or had any of the lab work done?

> >

> > To my knowledge, my son does not have an allergy or sensitivity

to

> > any foods. No gastrointestional distress, no vomitting, diarrhea,

> no

> > rashes, no eczema. He'll eat just about anything, with a few

> > exceptions.

> >

> > Does this mean he doesn't have food allergies? We took him off

> > casein 2 weeks ago and haven't seen any real changes physically

or

> in

> > his behavior. Is it too soon to tell?

> >

> > I'm also still confused about what really is/is not okay re:

gluten

> > on this diet. I've gotten the " Diet Do's & Don'ts " off the web.

> > Basically, what I understand, is that bread is okay...just make

> sure

> > it's super processed. NO whole grains of any kind. You can have

> > waffles, pancakes, cereal, crackers...etc, just as long as it's

not

> > whole grain, contain casein or potential allergens (specific to

> your

> > child).

> >

> > Am I in the ball park?

> >

> > I guess I'm still trying to reconcile the HUGE differences

between

> > Dr. Goldberg's recommendations and the DAN! Dr. Protocol. Here's

> > another questions: what does Dr. Goldberg think about the theory

of

> > the " opiate effect " these foods cause?

> >

> > I know so many of you have been where I am at. Any suggestions or

> > advice would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to email me

directly

> > if you'd like.

> >

> > Kari Simpson

> >

> >