Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 I believe we have had this discussion of low growth before on this list, and the consensus at that time was its a non-issue. But I'll add my voice to those who think OCD and height are related, or perhaps its just the meds. has always been in the 10th percentile for height, but the last two years she has fallen way off the chart--her pediatrician pushed me to go to a geneticist, where everything was found to be fine, and is now pushing for an endocrinological workup as well. I am out of doctor steam and have been resisting this. The good news (they say) is at 12 1/2, she is showing no signs of puberty yet, which is when growth really slows. I think this is bad news because if this isn't puberty, they are going to have to lock me up and throw away the key when puberty actually hits!! (For those newbies, I am having huge behavior problems with -- last night she told me she had a list of things that were wrong with my parenting abilities, but I was obviously too stupid to grasp more than one item at a time, so she was going to share them with me one a day.) Will this get worse as she gets thru her teenage years?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Ellen in NY (I'm the one waving the white flag of surrender) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 Ordered the book 3AM two days ago from Amazon, should be here tomorrow.... Decided the least I could do with my life is get my sense of humor back....the only way to get thru any of this.... Ellen BTW, one of my ambitions this year is to see the RockN-Roll Hall of Fame, so maybe I'll see you before Denver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 Ellen: I had to laugh when I read your last paragraph about the one-a-day parenting criticisms. It was just too funny. I'm sure ocd plays a part in that, but it's also typical adolescent behavior. Put down that white flag and run, don't walk, to Borders and buy a copy of " Get Out of my Life -- but first can you drive me and Cheryl to the mall " . It is one of the funniest and truest things i've read about teenagers. Having parented two through adolesence, and my ocder just beginning puberty, I need all the humor I can get. It truly is difficult to ferret out which is ocd and which is adolescent know-it-all superiority. Keep the faith. See ya next year in Denver. You can come party with me and . Jule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 Ellen: I had to laugh when I read your last paragraph about the one-a-day parenting criticisms. It was just too funny. I'm sure ocd plays a part in that, but it's also typical adolescent behavior. Put down that white flag and run, don't walk, to Borders and buy a copy of " Get Out of my Life -- but first can you drive me and Cheryl to the mall " . It is one of the funniest and truest things i've read about teenagers. Having parented two through adolesence, and my ocder just beginning puberty, I need all the humor I can get. It truly is difficult to ferret out which is ocd and which is adolescent know-it-all superiority. Keep the faith. See ya next year in Denver. You can come party with me and . Jule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 Hi Ellen, I think I started this whole thing about height and OCD. I've found two study abstracts in Medline which relate to this topic. One states " abnormal growth rate has been observed in obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) patients " and concludes the findings may point to a neuroendocrine abnormality associated with repetitive movement disorders. The aim of the second study " was to evaluate the growth of adolescents with obsessive-compulsive disorder . . . In accordance with a previous epidemiologically-based investigation, body heights and weights were found to be reduced, especially in male patients with OCD . . . The results suggest a neuroendocrine dysfunction in adolescent OCD. " Neither abstract mentions SSRIs. FWIW. There is some evidence to support the idea that falling off the growth curve is associated with OCD. Now what to do about it. Kel's ped also suggests an endocrine workup, but I've also been out of doctor steam lately--there is no doubt this problem *is* related to OCD! Kathy R. in Indiana Re: growth issues > I believe we have had this discussion of low growth before on this list, and > the consensus at that time was its a non-issue. But I'll add my voice to > those who think OCD and height are related, or perhaps its just the meds. > has always been in the 10th percentile for height, but the last two > years she has fallen way off the chart--her pediatrician pushed me to go to a > geneticist, where everything was found to be fine, and is now pushing for an > endocrinological workup as well. I am out of doctor steam and have been > resisting this. >snip< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 Hi: Also list making is a common OCD compulsion...<VBG> This book is a very easy read and a good reminder to those of us raising teens and pre-teens. Ellen you can tell how important you are to her that she can spend so much thought and time about how to make your life go more smoothly....:-)) Aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... At 02:57 PM 08/24/2000 -0400, you wrote: > > >Ellen: > >I had to laugh when I read your last paragraph about the one-a-day parenting >criticisms. It was just too funny. I'm sure ocd plays a part in that, but it's >also typical adolescent behavior. Put down that white flag and run, don't walk, >to Borders and buy a copy of " Get Out of my Life -- but first can you drive me >and Cheryl to the mall " . It is one of the funniest and truest things i've read >about teenagers. Having parented two through adolesence, and my ocder just >beginning puberty, I need all the humor I can get. It truly is difficult to >ferret out which is ocd and which is adolescent know-it-all superiority. > >Keep the faith. See ya next year in Denver. You can come party with me and >. > >Jule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 Ellen, You will love this book, I have it too. For now just remember, take one day at a time - oops! sorry, bad advice under the circumstances (hee hee couldn't resist). Your reminded me of my Ava with her " list " and her plan for sharing it with you. I can see Ava making such a list, she loves lists and is so observant/critical where I'm concerned. When she was much younger I found a list in her room, which she had graphed, entitled " how many times my mommy says the word shit " . jeesh Dana in NC elan214@... wrote: > Ordered the book 3AM two days ago from Amazon, should be here tomorrow.... > > Decided the least I could do with my life is get my sense of humor > back....the only way to get thru any of this.... > > Ellen > BTW, one of my ambitions this year is to see the RockN-Roll Hall of Fame, so > maybe I'll see you before Denver > > > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. The Archives, Files, and Features List for the may be accessed by going to , enter your email address and password, then point and click. Subscription issues, problems, or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at harkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hi Donna, We're also in the process of evaluating our son for a growth hormone deficiency. He's also in the 5th percentile now. He was previously in the 50th. We saw an endocrinologist and are in the process of getting tons of labs drawn. also has an acidosis which may or may not be contributing to his low growth hormone level. He was recently put on Sodium BiCarb. for the acidosis, by a Nephrologists, and he gained six pounds in two weeks. His cheeks finally look fuller and he's full of energy again. After all labs come back the endocrinologist is going to admit for a day to do a Growth Hormone Stimulating test. They will give him a hugh dose of arginine I.V., to see if it stimulates his body to produce enough growth hormone.(It's a little more complicated that this but I haven't had the time lately to read and research all that they will be looking for). My sons bone age is normal, but they believe that his problem lies in his pituitary gland. He has Chiari (growth hormone deficiency and Chiari are associated), and before his decompression surgeries his pituitary gland was flattened. This resulted in a lot of endocrine issues. Has your son had thyroid levels drawn and also an MRI to look at his brain and his pituitary gland ? HTH, let me know what happens. Take care, From: donnaaron@...: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:29:58 +0000Subject: Growth issues Hi all, A couple of months back I posted about my concerns about myalmost-ten-year-old son's growth suddenly slowing; he went from beingin the 45th percentile for height at age 8 years and 3 months, and nowhe's in the 5th percentile, having only grown about 1/2 inch sincethen...plus he didn't start losing baby teeth until after age 8.I just received the results of his bone age test. His bone age isthree standard deviations below the norm, actually comparable to thatof a 7-year-old. As I understand it, in some ways, this is good newsin that it means his growth/development isn't permanently stunted bymedications; it's just delayed. On the other hand, the writteninterpretation clearly indicates that this is an " abnormal " finding. I've been given a referral to an endocrinologist. To those of you who have had experience with this kind of thing...whatcan cause delayed bone age? Is this possibly an HGH thing? Someonehere mentioned a deficiency in arginine. I know HGH is injected; whatabout arginine? Or could there be some other cause? Just looking forpossibilities...TIA,Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Hi , He has had thyroid drawn (Dr. G checks regularly -- it always comes back normal), but no MRI yet. The endocrinologist appt. is Feb. 27th. We will find out more then, I'm sure, and I'll report at that time. I'll be VERY interested in hearing about your son's test results when they come back, !! Donna > > > Hi Donna, > > We're also in the process of evaluating our son for a growth hormone deficiency. He's also in the 5th percentile now. He was previously in the 50th. We saw an endocrinologist and are in the process of getting tons of labs drawn. also has an acidosis which may or may not be contributing to his low growth hormone level. > > He was recently put on Sodium BiCarb. for the acidosis, by a Nephrologists, and he gained six pounds in two weeks. His cheeks finally look fuller and he's full of energy again. > > After all labs come back the endocrinologist is going to admit for a day to do a Growth Hormone Stimulating test. They will give him a hugh dose of arginine I.V., to see if it stimulates his body to produce enough growth hormone.(It's a little more complicated that this but I haven't had the time lately to read and research all that they will be looking for). > My sons bone age is normal, but they believe that his problem lies in his pituitary gland. He has Chiari (growth hormone deficiency and Chiari are associated), and before his decompression surgeries his pituitary gland was flattened. This resulted in a lot of endocrine issues. > Has your son had thyroid levels drawn and also an MRI to look at his brain and his pituitary gland ? > > HTH, let me know what happens. > > Take care, > > > > > > From: donnaaron@...: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:29:58 +0000Subject: Growth issues > > > > > Hi all, A couple of months back I posted about my concerns about myalmost-ten-year-old son's growth suddenly slowing; he went from beingin the 45th percentile for height at age 8 years and 3 months, and nowhe's in the 5th percentile, having only grown about 1/2 inch sincethen...plus he didn't start losing baby teeth until after age 8.I just received the results of his bone age test. His bone age isthree standard deviations below the norm, actually comparable to thatof a 7-year-old. As I understand it, in some ways, this is good newsin that it means his growth/development isn't permanently stunted bymedications; it's just delayed. On the other hand, the writteninterpretation clearly indicates that this is an " abnormal " finding. I've been given a referral to an endocrinologist. To those of you who have had experience with this kind of thing...whatcan cause delayed bone age? Is this possibly an HGH thing? Someonehere mentioned a deficiency in arginine. I know HGH is injected; whatabout arginine? Or could there be some other cause? Just looking forpossibilities...TIA,Donna > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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