Guest guest Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 Hello, I am a mama of an almost-13 year old who has come light years on biomed, etc. In my work, I am a social worker in an early intervention system that has its eyes screwed tightly shut rather than acknowledge the power and possibility it holds for families facing ASD...in part because of widespread poverty and the belief that it's no fair to tell parents about expensive diets, and interventions that are not covered by insurance, when basic life-needs are difficult to meet. Within that context, I am turning to the wisest group of people I know for some understanding, and possibly ideas, for parents of a two year old with an autism diagnosis, who seems obsessed with eating his poop. The parents have tried being quicker than the child so that they can change his diaper before he gets to it. They have tried creating fashion obstacles, such as overalls on backwards, to restrict his access. So far, he has just become better at hiding when he has to eliminate, and more persistent at worming his hands up through his pants legs and down his sleeves. Duct tape has been less effective and more problematic than hoped. What I'm wondering is whether there is a biomedical perspective on this challenging behavior that might lead to some relief for his parents, who are understandably at wit's end. Could this be a sign of malnutrition/malabsorption of nutrients, or a sensory-based issue, as what's abhorent to us is attractive to the child? I've searched the internet and found nothing very helpful so far. We do have some naturopaths in this area (covered by Medicaid even if supplements they recommend are not) who could work with diet/biomed, and would be willing to work with DAN! physicians via consult. If I can find a reasonable argument for seeking such support, I believe parents would certainly be willing to give it a try. Any ideas are welcome...would addressing dysbiosis help? Is this a huge marker for toxic overload? ...I'm really open to a wide spectrum of ideas, from the theoretical to the practical. With gratitude, Carla, mama to Aidan, who is a shining light and bravely forges her path as a typical teenager and uniquely gifted and challenged individual... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 Carla: Hi!  Besides putting the child on a good nutrient vitamin-mineral formula to make sure he isn't missing some essential element, I would suggest the parents do a 90-food IgG hypersensitivity study, and (if you can get a few days without him ingesting his own feces) a comprehensive stool study with parisitology (I use Doctors' Data). If he doesn't already have some severe dysbiosis, he will soon if he continues this troublesome stim. Quite a challenge! Dr. JM ________________________________ To: csb-autism-rx Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 4:35:46 AM Subject: Seeking perspective on coprophagia in a toddler with autism  Hello, I am a mama of an almost-13 year old who has come light years on biomed, etc. In my work, I am a social worker in an early intervention system that has its eyes screwed tightly shut rather than acknowledge the power and possibility it holds for families facing ASD...in part because of widespread poverty and the belief that it's no fair to tell parents about expensive diets, and interventions that are not covered by insurance, when basic life-needs are difficult to meet. Within that context, I am turning to the wisest group of people I know for some understanding, and possibly ideas, for parents of a two year old with an autism diagnosis, who seems obsessed with eating his poop. The parents have tried being quicker than the child so that they can change his diaper before he gets to it. They have tried creating fashion obstacles, such as overalls on backwards, to restrict his access. So far, he has just become better at hiding when he has to eliminate, and more persistent at worming his hands up through his pants legs and down his sleeves. Duct tape has been less effective and more problematic than hoped. What I'm wondering is whether there is a biomedical perspective on this challenging behavior that might lead to some relief for his parents, who are understandably at wit's end. Could this be a sign of malnutrition/malabsorption of nutrients, or a sensory-based issue, as what's abhorent to us is attractive to the child? I've searched the internet and found nothing very helpful so far. We do have some naturopaths in this area (covered by Medicaid even if supplements they recommend are not) who could work with diet/biomed, and would be willing to work with DAN! physicians via consult. If I can find a reasonable argument for seeking such support, I believe parents would certainly be willing to give it a try. Any ideas are welcome...would addressing dysbiosis help? Is this a huge marker for toxic overload? ...I'm really open to a wide spectrum of ideas, from the theoretical to the practical. With gratitude, Carla, mama to Aidan, who is a shining light and bravely forges her path as a typical teenager and uniquely gifted and challenged individual... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 This is great, Dr. JM! Thank you!!! PS...Aidan sends enthusiastic greetings! > > Carla: Hi!  Besides putting the child on a good nutrient vitamin-mineral formula > to make sure he isn't missing some essential element, I would suggest the > parents do a 90-food IgG hypersensitivity study, and (if you can get a few days > without him ingesting his own feces) a comprehensive stool study with > parisitology (I use Doctors' Data). If he doesn't already have some severe > dysbiosis, he will soon if he continues this troublesome stim. Quite a > challenge! Dr. JM > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: csb-autism-rx > Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 4:35:46 AM > Subject: Seeking perspective on coprophagia in a toddler with > autism > >  > Hello, > > I am a mama of an almost-13 year old who has come light years on biomed, etc. In > my work, I am a social worker in an early intervention system that has its eyes > screwed tightly shut rather than acknowledge the power and possibility it holds > for families facing ASD...in part because of widespread poverty and the belief > that it's no fair to tell parents about expensive diets, and interventions that > are not covered by insurance, when basic life-needs are difficult to meet. > > > Within that context, I am turning to the wisest group of people I know for some > understanding, and possibly ideas, for parents of a two year old with an autism > diagnosis, who seems obsessed with eating his poop. The parents have tried being > quicker than the child so that they can change his diaper before he gets to it. > They have tried creating fashion obstacles, such as overalls on backwards, to > restrict his access. So far, he has just become better at hiding when he has to > eliminate, and more persistent at worming his hands up through his pants legs > and down his sleeves. Duct tape has been less effective and more problematic > than hoped. > > What I'm wondering is whether there is a biomedical perspective on this > challenging behavior that might lead to some relief for his parents, who are > understandably at wit's end. Could this be a sign of malnutrition/malabsorption > of nutrients, or a sensory-based issue, as what's abhorent to us is attractive > to the child? I've searched the internet and found nothing very helpful so far. > We do have some naturopaths in this area (covered by Medicaid even if > supplements they recommend are not) who could work with diet/biomed, and would > be willing to work with DAN! physicians via consult. If I can find a reasonable > argument for seeking such support, I believe parents would certainly be willing > to give it a try. > > Any ideas are welcome...would addressing dysbiosis help? Is this a huge marker > for toxic overload? ...I'm really open to a wide spectrum of ideas, from the > theoretical to the practical. > > With gratitude, > > Carla, mama to Aidan, who is a shining light and bravely forges her path as a > typical teenager and uniquely gifted and challenged individual... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 From what I've read before, sounds like parasites. Black walnut wormwood tincture rubbed on bottom of feet at bedtime helped my little one. Her signs of parasites were eczema and tummy aches almost daily. We used the tincture for a month. Started 4 days before full moon ( parasites follow lunar phase). Take a look at humaworm.com which has some info on parasites. My little one was too young to swallow pills and couldn't stand the taste of the humaworm herbs. Avoiding sweets/ fruits/white foods and increasing green vegetables could help. Even just vegetable water (boil vegetables in water and drink that water). You have a generous heart and best of luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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