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In a message dated 3/1/2003 4:34:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ollie writes:

> Has anyone had this syndrome and still been able to get

> pregnant without the shots or other clinical assistance?

> I'm glad I found this group.talk to you soon, take care

>

Dear Ollie,

There are files and old posts on the site that will give you detailed

information on this subject.

Your husband is taking a form of Testosterone replacement therapy, which is

fine but won't generate sperm production. I am sure the endocrinologist will

be telling you this. If he has a problem with his pituitary gland, the

missing hormones will have to be replaced using various kinds of drugs, which

may or may not require several injections per week. Everyone hates

injections but you get used to them and it's really not that bad. Cost is a

more serious factor with the " fertility " drugs.

There also is a drug named Clomid which is thought to " jumpstart " the

pituitary, but I have never met anyone that has actually used it

successfully, maybe someone on the list has used it with success.

Please be encouraged, several of the guys on the list have been successful in

fathering children with therapy.

Yours,

Dean in Cincy

Dean Carroll

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Welcome to the group, . Our stories about how we

got here seem so similar. The fatigue and lack of

energy is what makes this so hard for to take and

makes us too old before our time - we are all *too

young* for this :) Jane

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Hello,

I read your e-mail, and as a mother of a almost 10 year old boy with Apraxia

do not wait. We are from a very small town with a pedieatrician who was both

mine and my husbands. He kept telling us our son was a late talker and not to

worry even when my mother was telling me something was wrong.l Finally got fed

up when my son was 3 1/2 and had a 5 word vocabulary and we took him to a

children's hospital where he was diagnosed. If you see a problem then dont wait.

The post important advice I ever got from a therepist was be prepared to be your

child's advocate because no one else will do it for you and I can tell you it's

been a fight every step of the way but this website is a good way to educate

yourself . Now when I go to a doctors appointment or a ppt at school I'm the one

in charge. So good luck and I hope this helped.

Ini Olatunbosun <itsini@...> wrote:

Hello!

We have a 28 month old son who does not talk yet. We are thinking about getting

him re-evaluated...again! All we keep getting is that he is a late talker, but

after reading all the wonderful information posted from all you wonderful

parents, we suspect it may be something more.

Can anyone please give us contact information for a good therapist in the

Michigan area? Or anywhere in close by. We are willing to travel. And please, if

you have any information that you feel will help us in our pursuit of speech for

our child, we will really appreciate it.

Thank you!

Sincerely,

Tz anxious Mom

Take care and God Bless!

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I would suggest Kaufman, in West Bloomfield, Michigan. We

took our (then) 24 month old son to see her and it was the best

money we have spent so far in regards to his evaluations and

therapy. I found to be open, honest, knowledgable,

straightforward and EXCEPTIONAL at working with my child. She did a

thorough eval which included 3 long distance telephone conferences

with me (we live in Oklahoma), she had us send a video of my son

ahead of time so she could see him in his therapy and preschool

environment and plan her evaluation accordingly, she spent a good 45-

60 minutes evaluating my child in-person, she videotaped the eval

for his treating therapists back in Oklahoma, and then she sat and

talked with my husband and I for another hour or so about her

findings and recommendations. We will likely take our son to her

for treatment in summer of 2005. does therapy sessions for

out-of-town kids in the summer where they get short, intensive

rounds of therapy. You can attend however many weeks you can afford

to live in Michigan!! She also speaks at workshops around the

country and allows parents to eat lunch with her so that she can

answer any specific questions you have.

My advice to you----DO NOT WAIT ANOTHER DAY to get your son started

in therapy. He needs to be evaluated by your states early

intervention program. My son began therapy at 16 months of age and

has made tremendous progress. I suppose our pediatrician may have

taken my concerns very seriously as I am a speech pathologist

myself, but at your childs age EVERYONE should be taking his lack of

speech seriously! You have a fabulous therapist, who is nationally

and internationally known, near to you. I would definitely see her.

Just my twenty-two cents worth,

Kathy

> Hello!

> We have a 28 month old son who does not talk yet. We are thinking

about getting him re-evaluated...again! All we keep getting is that

he is a late talker, but after reading all the wonderful information

posted from all you wonderful parents, we suspect it may be

something more.

>

> Can anyone please give us contact information for a good therapist

in the Michigan area? Or anywhere in close by. We are willing to

travel. And please, if you have any information that you feel will

help us in our pursuit of speech for our child, we will really

appreciate it.

>

> Thank you!

> Sincerely,

> Tz anxious Mom

>

> Take care and God Bless!

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Dear Jenn and Kathy,

How are you doing? Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my mail

and also to give the vital information we need to set things in motion.

This group has really been a great source of inspiration, and I pray we all find

the answers and speedy results to help our kids express themselves through

speech.

Thanks once again!

Take care and God Bless!

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Hi Lori,

Well, if you are looking for wackos you have come to the right place. Eh

ummm.........what I meant to say was if you are looking for fellow PA sufferers

you have come to the right place. lol

Seriously though, welcome to the group. Hopefully you will get all your

questions answered. The universal agreement in the group is that in most cases

our knowledge on the disease increases greatly due to the knowledge of the

members here, whether it be from experience of having PA over several years or

that and a medical background too as some folk have.

Unfortunately I don't yet have any Scientific awards. I think it is

something to do with the fact that I was a maintenance technician and not a

scientist. lol

I am currently on MTX among other things. It seems that the doctors would be

happier if we did not drink alcohol at all while on it but some of them

(including mine) will say that it is ok to take the occasional drink. I think

that it is a case of them worrying that if they gave an inch, some people will

take a mile. So some of us do and some don't. (Take the odd drink I mean, not

take a mile. lol) Talk to your own guy and see what he has to say about it.

I do take the odd glass of wine or beer but I don't go mad.

Hope you get what you are looking for from the group.

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Thank you Kathy F!- tell me, does anyone out there have access to

actual Methotrexate statistics (ie. # per thousand who experience

severe side effects?) Would love to have that info...

I have the flu today - takes my mind off the PA though, so I guess

that's a good thing. IAW

>

> In any chat group, actually. Here is the deal - I am 42, just

> diagnosed this summer, saw a specialist within two weeks, started

> methotrexate 6 weeks ago, still pretty much feel like hell. Sore

> hands and feet, especially, difficult to walk in the am. I am

doing

> ok mentally - many other blessings, and I figure people have a lot

> worse crap thown at them - but sure would be nice to share with

other

> people dealing with this odd bit of life experience.

>

> So - methotrexate scares me in terms of long term implications - is

> it worth putting this poison in my body?

>

> Does it piss anyone else off that they have been told they have a

> chronic painful disease PLUS they can't have their favourite red

wine

> at a dinner party? Seems an unreasonable twist of fate...

>

> Whwn will I likely start to feel better...anyone have statistics on

> how many people actually get liver damage from this drug?

>

> What about COX-2 inhibitirs - I am currectly taking Bextra - does

> this seem like folly considering the Vioxx revelations - known to

> everyone, it seems, except most doctors...anyone know of viable

> alternatiives - or maybe I won't need Bextra if the Methotrexate

> starts to work?

>

> What about supplements for the liver? And for other symptoms...is

> glucosomine any good for our kind? Omega 3? Etc?

>

> I'll leave it at that for now and see what pops up - a bit nervous

> everyone out there is a whacko but will take my chances as I

> desperately need information. :)

>

> Would prefer people with a moderately dry sense of humour or,

> conversely, award winning medical scientists looking to spread thir

> info - oh yea, and has anyone heard of Dr. Merkin and what do you

> think of all that....antibiotics? Does it work? Is he a whacko?

>

> Ta - Lori, the Incredible Arthritic Woman

>

> [Editor's Note: Welcome to list, Incredible One. MTX is a scary

drug, however, it has been on the market for many years so unlike

many of the rest of the meds we're on, its long term side effects are

widely known. There are people who have been on MTX for decades with

no adverse problems. There are others who had to come off it after

just a few doses. Presumably your rheumy will have your blood work

monitored very frequently. This will ensure that any problems in

your liver or elsewhere will be detected quickly. Some

rheumatologists say that you can never have a drink again, while some

will say it is OK to have a glass of wine for your birthday or some

other special occasions. If MTX is to provide you the relief you

seek, it should begin helping you after 8 or 10 weeks. If it

doesn't " kick in " by then, talk to your doctor about changing your

medication. You've come to a good place to get the information you

need with an occasional splash of humor. Kathy F.]

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Welcome Lori --

Sounds like you came to the right place.....this place is full of " it " .....I

mean full of fun, knowledgeable, caring people so you should fit right in. I am

the least knowledgeable so will let others answer your important questions

except to say that I started out mild and have progressed quickly over the 3

years since diagnosis and I take whatever meds I can to keep me going because

that is the most important to me. I don't see any point in living longer if I

can't live the way I want to. Everybody has to decide that for themselves

though.

Keep posting, Cheri

lawlesslori <lawlesslori@...> wrote:

In any chat group, actually. Here is the deal - I am 42, just

diagnosed this summer, saw a specialist within two weeks, started

methotrexate 6 weeks ago, still pretty much feel like hell. Sore

hands and feet, especially, difficult to walk in the am. I am doing

ok mentally - many other blessings, and I figure people have a lot

worse crap thown at them - but sure would be nice to share with other

people dealing with this odd bit of life experience.

So - methotrexate scares me in terms of long term implications - is

it worth putting this poison in my body?

Does it piss anyone else off that they have been told they have a

chronic painful disease PLUS they can't have their favourite red wine

at a dinner party? Seems an unreasonable twist of fate...

Whwn will I likely start to feel better...anyone have statistics on

how many people actually get liver damage from this drug?

What about COX-2 inhibitirs - I am currectly taking Bextra - does

this seem like folly considering the Vioxx revelations - known to

everyone, it seems, except most doctors...anyone know of viable

alternatiives - or maybe I won't need Bextra if the Methotrexate

starts to work?

What about supplements for the liver? And for other symptoms...is

glucosomine any good for our kind? Omega 3? Etc?

I'll leave it at that for now and see what pops up - a bit nervous

everyone out there is a whacko but will take my chances as I

desperately need information. :)

Would prefer people with a moderately dry sense of humour or,

conversely, award winning medical scientists looking to spread thir

info - oh yea, and has anyone heard of Dr. Merkin and what do you

think of all that....antibiotics? Does it work? Is he a whacko?

Ta - Lori, the Incredible Arthritic Woman

[Editor's Note: Welcome to list, Incredible One. MTX is a scary drug, however,

it has been on the market for many years so unlike many of the rest of the meds

we're on, its long term side effects are widely known. There are people who

have been on MTX for decades with no adverse problems. There are others who had

to come off it after just a few doses. Presumably your rheumy will have your

blood work monitored very frequently. This will ensure that any problems in

your liver or elsewhere will be detected quickly. Some rheumatologists say that

you can never have a drink again, while some will say it is OK to have a glass

of wine for your birthday or some other special occasions. If MTX is to provide

you the relief you seek, it should begin helping you after 8 or 10 weeks. If it

doesn't " kick in " by then, talk to your doctor about changing your medication.

You've come to a good place to get the information you need with an occasional

splash of humor. Kathy F.]

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Hi Lori:

I think the main reason that they don't want people drinking while on MTX is

because MTX is hard on the liver, and so is alcohol. Poor liver.]

I was on Bextra for a very short time, and I found it wasn't the anti-inflam

for me. It really messed around with my ability to reach deep sleep, and I

got very exhausted, and incoherant. My Rhumy tried to tell me I was

depressed, but I knew better than that. I stopped the Bextra, because he

said " for your own peace of mind, to show you that it's not the drugs, go

ahead and stop the Bextra if you want " . I did, and my sleep returned to

normal. My rhumy was quite dismissive and condecending about the entire

thing, so I got a new one. Don't be afraid to change doctors if you need to.

I'm awfully glad I found this group, I've learned more in the last month

about my disease than I did the entire time I've had it, thanks to the great

people here. It's also nice to have a place to speak about something that

isn't very common, with people who understand what you're going through.

Feel free to come here to talk, ask questions, rant, etc. We're here to

listen.

A problem shared is a problem halved.

Bright Blessings to you Lori, and keep posting!

Crystal

>lawlesslori <lawlesslori@...> wrote:

>

>In any chat group, actually. Here is the deal - I am 42, just

>diagnosed this summer, saw a specialist within two weeks, started

>methotrexate 6 weeks ago, still pretty much feel like hell. Sore

>hands and feet, especially, difficult to walk in the am. I am doing

>ok mentally - many other blessings, and I figure people have a lot

>worse crap thown at them - but sure would be nice to share with other

>people dealing with this odd bit of life experience.

>

>So - methotrexate scares me in terms of long term implications - is

>it worth putting this poison in my body?

>

>Does it piss anyone else off that they have been told they have a

>chronic painful disease PLUS they can't have their favourite red wine

>at a dinner party? Seems an unreasonable twist of fate...

>

>Whwn will I likely start to feel better...anyone have statistics on

>how many people actually get liver damage from this drug?

>

>What about COX-2 inhibitirs - I am currectly taking Bextra - does

>this seem like folly considering the Vioxx revelations - known to

>everyone, it seems, except most doctors...anyone know of viable

>alternatiives - or maybe I won't need Bextra if the Methotrexate

>starts to work?

>

>What about supplements for the liver? And for other symptoms...is

>glucosomine any good for our kind? Omega 3? Etc?

>

>I'll leave it at that for now and see what pops up - a bit nervous

>everyone out there is a whacko but will take my chances as I

>desperately need information. :)

>

>Would prefer people with a moderately dry sense of humour or,

>conversely, award winning medical scientists looking to spread thir

>info - oh yea, and has anyone heard of Dr. Merkin and what do you

>think of all that....antibiotics? Does it work? Is he a whacko?

>

>Ta - Lori, the Incredible Arthritic Woman

>

>[Editor's Note: Welcome to list, Incredible One. MTX is a scary drug,

>however, it has been on the market for many years so unlike many of the

>rest of the meds we're on, its long term side effects are widely known.

>There are people who have been on MTX for decades with no adverse problems.

> There are others who had to come off it after just a few doses.

>Presumably your rheumy will have your blood work monitored very frequently.

> This will ensure that any problems in your liver or elsewhere will be

>detected quickly. Some rheumatologists say that you can never have a drink

>again, while some will say it is OK to have a glass of wine for your

>birthday or some other special occasions. If MTX is to provide you the

>relief you seek, it should begin helping you after 8 or 10 weeks. If it

>doesn't " kick in " by then, talk to your doctor about changing your

>medication. You've come to a good place to get the information you need

>with an occasional splash of humor. Kathy F.]

>

>

>

>

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Micky is right about the alcohol... my docs wouldn't let me have any at all not

a drop!!!

Tom in Anchorage

>

> Hi Lori

>

> Yes this disease is a real pain! Yes you're going to feel like a leper of

> society and yes MTX equals no alcohol!! Yes Your in pain now and it seems

> like there is no end, and yes your friends and family won't understand, and

> yes you may even feel that you didn't deserve this and that you want to kick

> the cat and whatever is in the way, and yes MTX scares the hell out of

> people, yes the -2 drugs seem to have a bad effect on yr heart and yes

> the biologics have risks associated with all kinds of things, and yes you

> will search the web looking for the answers to a disease that has no known

> cure! And yes I know all this because that is exactly how I felt two and a

> half years ago when this disease reared it's ugly little head!

>

> That's the bad news! So if we get all of that out of the way, let me

> introduce myself.

>

> My name is Micky and like I said I have had PA for 2 and half years. Today

> I am back jogging and playing with my kids and leading a pretty good life

> even with the PA. At the start it was a dark cloud over my head and I had

> all these bad fears and worries going through my head! Just like you in

> fact. But as the Jedi would say " there is a good side " .

>

> The drugs they have out now for this disease are very good in fact some

> people have gone into remission from them. Ok there are risks but at the end

> of the day there are risks everyday in life and if you feel as bad as you

> described then I reckon you fancy your chances with lady luck. If you want

> to play the lottery then the drugs of choice are -2, Remicade, Enbrel,

> Amevive, and the dreaded MTX. You never know your numbers might come up! And

> you might find your pot at the end of the rainbow! My personal pot is

> Arcoxia but seeing as it is made by Merck I think it won't be long before

> they decide that this one is too dangerous for us PA'ers to take on a

> regular basis, so I might have to jump ship and get on the New biologics at

> some stage. But that is for another day and I am quite happy staying on

> Arcoxia until they shelve it (if they do) The PA has a wonderful way of

> making you lighten up that I never thought possible, in that it has shown me

> how much I appreciate the things around me, and have stopped fussing over

> mundane stuff like work !! Lol. No seriously I do have a new outlook on

> life and I am more easy going than I used to be which cannot be a bad thing

> and I have more patience now where before I had Zero ! I can also appreciate

> what it means for real people who have real problems like no arms and legs!

> and for people who have lost loved ones through no fault of there own. My PA

> in comparison is peanuts! It's good how even when you feel you should get on

> the pity pot that you realise that there are worse off people out there, and

> believe me at the beginning of this I did not think this was possible!

> Since this PA bit my ass I have been on a personal crusade to make myself

> feel better and I would have to say that to some extent it has worked. I

> have read up on all kinds of details to do with PA and can even have a chat

> to Orin (a researcher on here who knows more about PA than probably the rest

> of the US science core) without feeling to far out of my Depth ! I have

> learnt through this site that there are people out there who care enough to

> say Hi now and then and ask you how the kiddies are! (We are definitely not

> freaks or whackos lol) Although when we get talking about our skin and nails

> it might sound like it! No you have come to the right place Lori as I'm sure

> your learn over the next few weeks that most of us have a dry sense of

> humour and that in spite of all our ailments we are a pretty happy bunch of

> people.

>

> Going back to the alcohol thing with MTX and all I will say is that you can

> have the occasional glass now and then without it having too much effect as

> long as it is now and then again. If yr a drunkard then this drug is

> definitely not the one for you, but that may mean they just put you on

> another drug that does not have such a big effect with alcohol.

>

> Thanks for your post and welcome to the group

>

> PS: in reply to another post about age etc. My details are as follows:-

>

>

> Age 32 PA 2 yrs 6 months psoriasis 12 yrs married 7 yrs and plan to

> live at my pace (fast) another 60 years!

>

> Micky

> London

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hi lorrie,

I'm Carla from Nebraska, age 26 and had pa for about three years. I am

on a variety of medications, but do take the mtx and diclofenac for an

anti-inflamatory. vioxx was the best thing for me, unfortunately it's

no longer! I still drink occasionally even though I'm on the mtx. I

will say, I discovered that you cannot take an anti-biotic while taking

the mtx. If you need to take an anti-biotic, you need to stop the

mtx...or the anti-biotic won't work. I found this out after two sinus

infections and urinary tract infection. You can go back to the mtx

after you've finished the anti-biotic. I know you've found a great

group...I sure feel that we're all here to listen, be there for a

shoulder, and so much more. Good luck, and you'll find the answers you

need someday soon as for what meds will help you! Everyone is different

and meds react differently to others, but keep your chin up!!~

Carla

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In a message dated 11/11/04 9:54:42 PM Central Standard Time,

claesch@... writes:

vioxx was the best thing for me, unfortunately it's

no longer!

I wonder if a person were to get a lawyer and have an airtight contract

written up stating that the user fully understands the increased risk of heart

disease and is willing to accept that as well as any as yet unknown risks and to

release the maker of vioxx from any and all claims of harm from the use of

vioxx if they would continue to provide it?

I remember reading on a different message board a post by a woman with

ridiculously high cholesterol who had been using Baycol with excellent results

until

it was pulled from the market in fear of massive and numerous settlements due

to critical side effects. In her case nothing else had come close to being

as effective as the Baycol had and I think she made an excellent case for the

risks of using the drug being lower than the risks of not using the drug.

With Vioxx it might be more difficult to convince law makers and drug

regulators

because few people who havent experienced severe arthritis could imagine how

much it can reduce your quality of life. From being on all these message

boards I know that there are more than a few who would willingly, in full

awareness of the risks, wager quantity for quality. There is some group whose

name I

cant remember who have made it their mission in life to attack drugs with the

ultimate goal of having them banned. Though their intentions are good, bless

their hearts, they have succeeded in getting many beneficial and in some cases

life saving drugs pulled from the market. Not only do so many loose that tool

to manage their disease with it will also increase the cost of any drug that

may be developed to take it's place. The FDA has stringent rules for how a new

drug is to be tested but nothing is perfect. Document and quantify any adverse

reactions and let the consumer decide if the risk/reward ratio is acceptable.

The drug companies jump through a lot of hoops in efforts to make sure there

are no surprises with their products. But if 100 million people use a product

SOMEBODY is going to have an unusual negative reaction to it. They certainly

dont want to kill or maim their customers. I believe that people should have to

study to some extent any drug that is to be prescribed so that they full well

understand what the risks of complications are and sign a contract stating so

which protects the prescribing doctor and the maker of the drugs from billion

dollar class action law suits. On a similar note of laws designed to protect

ourselves from ourselves, I dont see why it should be anyone else's concern

who I choose to perform medical prodedures on me. I dont believe it should be a

concern of the Government nor an insurance company. I see the value in

requiring any practitioner(sp?) to keep and submit records so that anyone

contemplating using that practitioners services can review their performance

first but

if I respect a veterenarian to perform minor surgery on me then why should

anyone else have right to interfere? I could accept third party involvement in

the situation of a person who is not capable of understanding such as a child,

alzheimer patient or coma victim but ah well you all know what I mean just

let me make my own decisions.

Gee I think I woke up on the wrong side of the armchair? Orin

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Orin, I totally agree with you. I feel that in this day and age so many people

abrogate

personal responsiblity that it makes it difficult for the rest of us to be

allowed to make

informed decisions. I have discussed viox with my md and there have been cases

where it

was prescribed to patients with risk factors for heart problems and if you

factor out those

cases the results change dramatically.

It is the same with enbrel. Most statistics ignore the fact that having an

immune system

disease increases the chance of lymphoma anyway and that should be factored into

any

decsion made about its use. Perhaps a run to Canada for vioxx? or has it been

withdrawn

from the market there?

And now there are questions about bextra because it can cause heart problems

when used

intrevenously sp? during heart surgery? Why should that make it impossible for

the rest of

us to use it if we choose?

jerre

>

> In a message dated 11/11/04 9:54:42 PM Central Standard Time,

> claesch@n... writes:

> vioxx was the best thing for me, unfortunately it's

> no longer!

> I wonder if a person were to get a lawyer and have an airtight contract

> written up stating that the user fully understands the increased risk of heart

> disease and is willing to accept that as well as any as yet unknown risks and

to

> release the maker of vioxx from any and all claims of harm from the use of

> vioxx if they would continue to provide it?

> I remember reading on a different message board a post by a woman with

> ridiculously high cholesterol who had been using Baycol with excellent results

until

> it was pulled from the market in fear of massive and numerous settlements due

> to critical side effects. In her case nothing else had come close to being

> as effective as the Baycol had and I think she made an excellent case for the

> risks of using the drug being lower than the risks of not using the drug.

> With Vioxx it might be more difficult to convince law makers and drug

regulators

> because few people who havent experienced severe arthritis could imagine how

> much it can reduce your quality of life. From being on all these message

> boards I know that there are more than a few who would willingly, in full

> awareness of the risks, wager quantity for quality. There is some group whose

name I

> cant remember who have made it their mission in life to attack drugs with the

> ultimate goal of having them banned. Though their intentions are good, bless

> their hearts, they have succeeded in getting many beneficial and in some cases

> life saving drugs pulled from the market. Not only do so many loose that tool

> to manage their disease with it will also increase the cost of any drug that

> may be developed to take it's place. The FDA has stringent rules for how a new

> drug is to be tested but nothing is perfect. Document and quantify any

adverse

> reactions and let the consumer decide if the risk/reward ratio is acceptable.

> The drug companies jump through a lot of hoops in efforts to make sure there

> are no surprises with their products. But if 100 million people use a product

> SOMEBODY is going to have an unusual negative reaction to it. They certainly

> dont want to kill or maim their customers. I believe that people should have

to

> study to some extent any drug that is to be prescribed so that they full well

> understand what the risks of complications are and sign a contract stating so

> which protects the prescribing doctor and the maker of the drugs from billion

> dollar class action law suits. On a similar note of laws designed to protect

> ourselves from ourselves, I dont see why it should be anyone else's concern

> who I choose to perform medical prodedures on me. I dont believe it should be

a

> concern of the Government nor an insurance company. I see the value in

> requiring any practitioner(sp?) to keep and submit records so that anyone

> contemplating using that practitioners services can review their performance

first but

> if I respect a veterenarian to perform minor surgery on me then why should

> anyone else have right to interfere? I could accept third party involvement in

> the situation of a person who is not capable of understanding such as a child,

> alzheimer patient or coma victim but ah well you all know what I mean just

> let me make my own decisions.

> Gee I think I woke up on the wrong side of the armchair? Orin

>

>

>

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Vioxx is off the market in Canada too.

Crystal

[Editor's Note: Vioxx was removed globally. Kathy F.]

>From: " jerredawson " <jerredawson@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [ ] Re: first timer

>Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:11:26 -0000

>

>

>

>Orin, I totally agree with you. I feel that in this day and age so many

>people abrogate

>personal responsiblity that it makes it difficult for the rest of us to be

>allowed to make

>informed decisions. I have discussed viox with my md and there have been

>cases where it

>was prescribed to patients with risk factors for heart problems and if you

>factor out those

>cases the results change dramatically.

>

>It is the same with enbrel. Most statistics ignore the fact that having an

>immune system

>disease increases the chance of lymphoma anyway and that should be factored

>into any

>decsion made about its use. Perhaps a run to Canada for vioxx? or has it

>been withdrawn

>from the market there?

>

>And now there are questions about bextra because it can cause heart

>problems when used

>intrevenously sp? during heart surgery? Why should that make it impossible

>for the rest of

>us to use it if we choose?

>

>jerre

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Dear Tammy,

Welcome to the group! Sorry your pain has driven you here, though. I

think waiting for a diagnosis and finding caring doctors is the hardest

part. I waited 2 years for a diagnosis, then it just HAD to be

something weird nobody had heard of before (Dercum's Disease.) It will

come, though, and you will get relief, just have faith and I'll keep

you in my prayers. This is a good, compassionate group with lots of

good advice.

Peace,

Judi in IN

59 yo wife and grandmother

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> Dear Tammy,

>

> Welcome to the group! Sorry your pain has driven you here,

though. I

> think waiting for a diagnosis and finding caring doctors is the

hardest

> part. I waited 2 years for a diagnosis, then it just HAD to be

> something weird nobody had heard of before (Dercum's Disease.) It

will

> come, though, and you will get relief, just have faith and I'll

keep

> you in my prayers. This is a good, compassionate group with lots

of

> good advice.

>

> Peace,

> Judi in IN

> 59 yo wife and grandmother Thank-You Judi for your'e sweet

note. I just got a call from the Dr.s office saying it could be

Lupus.Not good news but my faith is strong and I know GOD is with

me.They are going to try new meds.this evening.I can see this is a

very good group.I don't know anyone personaly that has this so I am

vry gratefull for this site.All of you are in my prayers. -Tammy-

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Tammy,

Welcome to the group. I hope you get to feeling better

soon. You will learn a lot from everyone here.

Hopefully you will get a dx soon. As soon as you can

get some medications started the better you will feel.

Beth(AR)

--- clarabell4ever2000 <clarabell4ever2000@...>

wrote:

> Good Morning All! This is my first time here.I am a

> 42 year old FM. I

> have not officialy been diagnosed with RA but will

> be going to a

> specialist next week.Just about everything elese has

> been ruled out so

> this is the next step.I have had " spells " for about

> a year now.With

> each one being more intense and lasting longer.Just

> thinking it was

> reg.arthritis I would take Aleve and get better.Then

> about 2 months ago

> it hit and will NOT go away.The Dr.I WAS going to

> said it was JUST

> arthritis and that NOTHING was wrong with me.I am

> not a complainer and

> when I say I hurt it is bad.Each day is getting

> harder and harder to

> move with out pain.I am stuck in the bed most of the

> time because the

> more I move the more it hurts and swells.The parts

> that are affected

> are my

> neck,shoulders,elbows,wrists,hands,knees,ankles and

> feet.I am

> currently taking Darvocet and Percoet(not

> together)for pain and

> Zanaflex at night (musscle relaxer).I take

> Effexor(anti depressant)to

> relieve my menapause symtems(ovaries removed at age

> of 27)and NASAID's

> causes stoumach bleeding.Sorry for the long message

> but this first time

> and I had alot to say.Any suggestions will be

> GREATLY

> appreciated.THANKS!-Tammy-

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________

- PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

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Thank-You Beth! I have already learned alot.I am soooo glad I found

this group!!!-Tammy-

>

> > Good Morning All! This is my first time here.I am a

> > 42 year old FM. I

> > have not officialy been diagnosed with RA but will

> > be going to a

> > specialist next week.Just about everything elese has

> > been ruled out so

> > this is the next step.I have had " spells " for about

> > a year now.With

> > each one being more intense and lasting longer.Just

> > thinking it was

> > reg.arthritis I would take Aleve and get better.Then

> > about 2 months ago

> > it hit and will NOT go away.The Dr.I WAS going to

> > said it was JUST

> > arthritis and that NOTHING was wrong with me.I am

> > not a complainer and

> > when I say I hurt it is bad.Each day is getting

> > harder and harder to

> > move with out pain.I am stuck in the bed most of the

> > time because the

> > more I move the more it hurts and swells.The parts

> > that are affected

> > are my

> > neck,shoulders,elbows,wrists,hands,knees,ankles and

> > feet.I am

> > currently taking Darvocet and Percoet(not

> > together)for pain and

> > Zanaflex at night (musscle relaxer).I take

> > Effexor(anti depressant)to

> > relieve my menapause symtems(ovaries removed at age

> > of 27)and NASAID's

> > causes stoumach bleeding.Sorry for the long message

> > but this first time

> > and I had alot to say.Any suggestions will be

> > GREATLY

> > appreciated.THANKS!-Tammy-

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________

> - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

> http://mail.

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Hello, first time signing on and posting here. My five year old son

was diagnosed with PDD-NOS at age three. Researching and Dr.

Goldberg's approach truly seems as an answer to my prayers. How do I

contact a clinic or doctor near me in South Texas?

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Cheryl, thank you so much. I contacted Dr. G's office today

requesting an intake package. I was surprised to hear from the

secretary that Dr. G is not affiliated with other doctors promoting

the protocol. My son is three months into The Thoughtful House

Center in Austin, TX " leaky gut " protocol under Dr. Jepson, and

two days into Difuclan brought about the tasmanian devil. Thanks, again.

>

> > Hello, first time signing on and posting here. My five year old son

> > was diagnosed with PDD-NOS at age three. Researching and Dr.

> > Goldberg's approach truly seems as an answer to my prayers. How do I

> > contact a clinic or doctor near me in South Texas?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Sad to say, the Taz effect is actually a good thing when introducing

diflucan. Hang in there! You should probably see some very good things once

the die-off is done.

Kristy

Re: First timer

Cheryl, thank you so much. I contacted Dr. G's office today

requesting an intake package. I was surprised to hear from the

secretary that Dr. G is not affiliated with other doctors promoting

the protocol. My son is three months into The Thoughtful House

Center in Austin, TX " leaky gut " protocol under Dr. Jepson, and

two days into Difuclan brought about the tasmanian devil. Thanks, again.

>

> > Hello, first time signing on and posting here. My five year old son

> > was diagnosed with PDD-NOS at age three. Researching and Dr.

> > Goldberg's approach truly seems as an answer to my prayers. How do I

> > contact a clinic or doctor near me in South Texas?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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First, let me say there is hope and don't give up on your son or listen to

mainstream doctors that tell you this is just a Neurologic disorder and that

there isn't anything that can be done.  My son was diagnosed about a 1 1/2 ago

when he was 2 years 7mos.  He was in his own world, didn't have any eye contact

and never played with any of his toys except a musical toy and played it

repetitively.  I spent hours upon hours reading everything I could about Autism

as I was like you and your wife and new nothing of Autism and this was our 1st

child.  My son, - is now 4 and is still non-verbal but has come a

long way in his recovery.  If there is any way you can get him into an ABA

Program that is going to be very beneficial for him long term.  My son entered

a private school that was ABA Based and it is wonderful.  About 2 weeks after

his diagnosis on a Saturday I went cold turkey with the Gluten/Casein Free

Diet.  It was an extremely

difficult thing to do as my son was beside himself on the 1st and 2nd day but

began eating his new food the 3rd day and by the end of the first week on the

diet he started looking at us and over time seemed to become a little more aware

of his environment and has awesome eye contact.  If you are going to do this

diet it is a long process and I would suggest finding a nutritionist who knows

about this diet and Autism.  We were on the diet for about 6  months before I

found " Thoughtful House " in Austin, TX and initially went to them for the

nutritionist and have stayed and working with a Dan Doctor.  I highly recommend

them.  It's been a year since we've been with Thoughtful House and have been on

supplementation and have recently started Chelation. 

Remember every child is different and unique with what's going on with their

little bodies.  I would do a lot of reading.  There are good articles you can

find on the Autism Reasearch Institute website as well as Generation Rescue. 

Also, try to think of this as a marathon not a sprint.  I think back a year and

a half ago and can see such progress we have made and know we still have a long

ways to go but our children can get better.

I hope this helps and wish you and your family all the best.

Maureen

________________________________

From: apathy221 <apathy772@...>

Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 2:12:22 PM

Subject: [ ] First Timer

 

My son Gerald is 2 years old he doesnt walk. He is non-verbal. He doesnt point

at things or recognize me or my wife as his parents. I have suspected some type

of PPD or Autism for just a few days. Im just discovering the diets chelation

and many other Biomedical Interventions that can be done. Untill I saw the

videos on Generation Rescues website I thought there was no hope. He is my wife

and I's only child and untill recently we were worried about having to put him

in a home. In the videos one of the dads said whos going to take care of him

when I die and I burst. Im not normally an emotional man but this is killing me.

What do I do. Where do I start. We are seeing a neurologist, opthamologist,

geneticist. We have gotten several MRI's and are scheduled for anohter one soon.

We told the Neurologist today that we want all the blood urine and immunology

tests done to check for heavy metal poisoning. We also asked to be refered to an

allergist and a

nutrionalist to talk about the diets and chelation. When we mentioned a D.A.N.

doctor the neurologist's face changed he immediatly ordered a bunch of tests and

asked us if we had appts. to see this doctor and made sure bluntly to tell us it

would come out of our pockets. It seemed strange to me like he was scared we

could fix our son then these 10's of thousands of dollar tests he runs wouldnt

be guranteed anymore. I dont know but it seems to me that these doctors dont

actually care about the children thats like saying a mechanic cares about the

car hes repairing they just want the insurance companies money and the longer

they keep paying the longer they will withold any true diagnosis. Im sorry if I

seem to ramble or I dont use the best grammar & punctuation Im trying. My son is

two years and 4 months old hes had the same symptoms for over a year. He fixates

on toys, doesnt point, no eye contact, (he also has nystagmus so we thought that

was why he had

no eye contact) he doesnt recognize us, our voices, our faces, doesnt talk,

walk, crawl, situp o! n his ow n, and untill recently we honestly felt hopeless.

It took me telling the Doctors today, Hey maybe my son has a pdd for them to

order an evaluation. I also said hey maybe this pdd is being caused by a heavy

metal toxicicty or an allergy then they ordered the test's needed to find out.

Why is it me a layman who has never even seen a child before in my life with

autism or PDD has to diagnose his own child. These doctors and specialists see

these children on a daily basis they know the signs what to look for and none of

them untill I brought it up suggested it. I love my son. Im scared for my son. I

want to know my son will be ok after I die. Can anyone give me some hope?

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We're in almost the exact same boat, my 2 year old was just diagnosed

after I kept on looking and developed strong suspicions of autism.

Pediatricians, with decades of experience were clueless. The first thing

to realize is that there is hope. A lot of kids, through the efforts of

their amazing parents, have been recovered. But I don't think you'll

ever find a case of a kid recovering just through the treatment

prescribed by a doctor, even if he/she is a DAN or supposed expert. It's

a complicated, nefarious condition that is different for each child.

Many of the parents who have recovered their children educated

themselves and are incredibly knowledgeable about their individual

child's biology. Stay strong, but yea, that first realization of the

nature of your son's condition is absolutely crushing and reduces grow

men to tears. For inspiration check out Stan Kurtz's videos, where you

can see his son Ethan progress from completely unresponsive to a happy,

social boy doing karate with other kids. Thankfully there are tons of

stories that are similar.

Some suggestions:

1. Join the Recovery From Autism group which is focused on

treating children

2. Familiarize yourself with Cutler chelation (the process of

removing heavy metals from a person's body and brain), either by buying

his books or Googling. It has been instrumental in recovering a lot of kids.

3. Look into the hair elements test that the Cutler protocol recommends

(again Google is your friend). It will confirm for you if mercury

toxicity is a problem for your son.

4. Look into DAN/biomed treatments, but please know that there is a

difference between how many DAN doctors do chelation and what the Cutler

protocol recommends. I personally believe the Cutler protocol is safer

and more effective.

Some people make an analogy that this is a marathon and not a sprint - I

hate that analogy, it captures none of the emotions of what we're going

through. To me it's war... unfortunately a long, protracted war of

attrition, but it is winnable with enough resolve and knowledge.

Finally, there's a quote that has helped me along, " Pray, because

everything is in God's hands, but work as if it were all up to you " .

best wishes,

apathy221 wrote:

>

> My son Gerald is 2 years old he doesnt walk. He is non-verbal. He

> doesnt point at things or recognize me or my wife as his parents. I

> have suspected some type of PPD or Autism for just a few days. Im just

> discovering the diets chelation and many other Biomedical

> Interventions that can be done. Untill I saw the videos on Generation

> Rescues website I thought there was no hope. He is my wife and I's

> only child and untill recently we were worried about having to put him

> in a home. In the videos one of the dads said whos going to take care

> of him when I die and I burst. Im not normally an emotional man but

> this is killing me. What do I do. Where do I start. We are seeing a

> neurologist, opthamologist, geneticist. We have gotten several MRI's

> and are scheduled for anohter one soon. We told the Neurologist today

> that we want all the blood urine and immunology tests done to check

> for heavy metal poisoning. We also asked to be refered to an allergist

> and a nutrionalist to talk about the diets and chelation. When we

> mentioned a D.A.N. doctor the neurologist's face changed he immediatly

> ordered a bunch of tests and asked us if we had appts. to see this

> doctor and made sure bluntly to tell us it would come out of our

> pockets. It seemed strange to me like he was scared we could fix our

> son then these 10's of thousands of dollar tests he runs wouldnt be

> guranteed anymore. I dont know but it seems to me that these doctors

> dont actually care about the children thats like saying a mechanic

> cares about the car hes repairing they just want the insurance

> companies money and the longer they keep paying the longer they will

> withold any true diagnosis. Im sorry if I seem to ramble or I dont use

> the best grammar & punctuation Im trying. My son is two years and 4

> months old hes had the same symptoms for over a year. He fixates on

> toys, doesnt point, no eye contact, (he also has nystagmus so we

> thought that was why he had no eye contact) he doesnt recognize us,

> our voices, our faces, doesnt talk, walk, crawl, situp on his own, and

> untill recently we honestly felt hopeless. It took me telling the

> Doctors today, Hey maybe my son has a pdd for them to order an

> evaluation. I also said hey maybe this pdd is being caused by a heavy

> metal toxicicty or an allergy then they ordered the test's needed to

> find out. Why is it me a layman who has never even seen a child before

> in my life with autism or PDD has to diagnose his own child. These

> doctors and specialists see these children on a daily basis they know

> the signs what to look for and none of them untill I brought it up

> suggested it. I love my son. Im scared for my son. I want to know my

> son will be ok after I die. Can anyone give me some hope?

>

>

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