Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Well, actually, I think the major soy eaters have a longer life. The short livers dragging down the total average here appear to be from the middle east. >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Soy >Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:46:46 -0500 > >Thanks for that, >It looks the average is about 63 yo for men. That's up from 56 just a few >years back. PCa is an old man's disease mostly so how do we equate the >possible benefits of soy to our country's 69 yo lifespan in 1960?. Our PCa >rate is actually higher than 1950 even though it's dropped in recent years, >meaning treatment has gotten better. > >Another thing, since PCa is usually slow growing, I'm not sure eating soy >now slows it's rate. I'm sure it does nothing for BPH (for me). >For me, chances are 1 in 6 (or 9), while other ethnics are higher, and >those at higher latitudes are higher. > >It was enough for me when Dr. , NY, said substitute soy for meat, >so I eat a little SPI and very little meats. > >Regards. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dowling > > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Soy > > > Life expectancy in the major soy eating countries is actually pretty >good: > > >http://www.overpopulation.com/faq/Health/mortality/life_expectancy/asia.html > > > > > >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...> > >Reply- > >< > > >Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Soy > >Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:52:48 -0500 > > > >It occurred to me a while back, that those countries also maybe don't >have > >the number reaching PCa age. > >many die from contagious diseases. > >SPI >11 gms/d, makes me stiff and sore - as does too many peanuts. > > > >Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 I agree on BPH but soy did drop my PSA considerablely, and BTW I do not see 50 as "old" LOL Positive Dennis jwwright wrote: Thanks for that, It looks the average is about 63 yo for men. That's up from 56 just a few years back. PCa is an old man's disease mostly so how do we equate the possible benefits of soy to our country's 69 yo lifespan in 1960?. Our PCa rate is actually higher than 1950 even though it's dropped in recent years, meaning treatment has gotten better. Another thing, since PCa is usually slow growing, I'm not sure eating soy now slows it's rate. I'm sure it does nothing for BPH (for me). For me, chances are 1 in 6 (or 9), while other ethnics are higher, and those at higher latitudes are higher. It was enough for me when Dr. , NY, said substitute soy for meat, so I eat a little SPI and very little meats. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowling To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Soy Life expectancy in the major soy eating countries is actually pretty good: http://www.overpopulation.com/faq/Health/mortality/life_expectancy/asia.html >From: "jwwright" <jwwright@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Soy >Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:52:48 -0500 > >It occurred to me a while back, that those countries also maybe don't have >the number reaching PCa age. >many die from contagious diseases. >SPI >11 gms/d, makes me stiff and sore - as does too many peanuts. > >Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Hi Dennis: Just for clarity ......... I believe the " soy " you mention was soy PROTEIN ............. correct? That is significant because the ALA is part of the fat, and presumably there isn't much of that in soy protein. So that information of yours is not in conflict with the findings of the ALA/Prostate cancer study. Rodney. > > > Thanks for that, > > It looks the average is about 63 yo for men. That's up from 56 just a > > few years back. PCa is an old man's disease mostly so how do we equate > > the possible benefits of soy to our country's 69 yo lifespan in 1960?. > > Our PCa rate is actually higher than 1950 even though it's dropped in > > recent years, meaning treatment has gotten better. > > > > Another thing, since PCa is usually slow growing, I'm not sure eating > > soy now slows it's rate. I'm sure it does nothing for BPH (for me). > > For me, chances are 1 in 6 (or 9), while other ethnics are higher, and > > those at higher latitudes are higher. > > > > It was enough for me when Dr. , NY, said substitute soy for > > meat, so I eat a little SPI and very little meats. > > > > Regards. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dowling <mailto:dowlic@h...> > > > > <mailto: > > > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 12:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Soy > > > > Life expectancy in the major soy eating countries is actually > > pretty good: > > > > http://www.overpopulation.com/faq/Health/mortality/life_expectancy/asi a.html > > > > > > > > > > >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@e... <mailto:jwwright@e...>> > > >Reply- > > <mailto: > > > >< > > <mailto: >> > > >Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Soy > > >Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:52:48 -0500 > > > > > >It occurred to me a while back, that those countries also maybe > > don't have > > >the number reaching PCa age. > > >many die from contagious diseases. > > >SPI >11 gms/d, makes me stiff and sore - as does too many peanuts. > > > > > >Regards. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Rodney wrote: Hi Dennis: Just for clarity ......... I believe the "soy" you mention was soy PROTEIN ............. correct? yes this is correct, to concentrate the estrogen like effect of the soy I used powder. Positive Dennis That is significant because the ALA is part of the fat, and presumably there isn't much of that in soy protein. So that information of yours is not in conflict with the findings of the ALA/Prostate cancer study. Rodney. > > > Thanks for that, > > It looks the average is about 63 yo for men. That's up from 56 just a > > few years back. PCa is an old man's disease mostly so how do we equate > > the possible benefits of soy to our country's 69 yo lifespan in 1960?. > > Our PCa rate is actually higher than 1950 even though it's dropped in > > recent years, meaning treatment has gotten better. > > > > Another thing, since PCa is usually slow growing, I'm not sure eating > > soy now slows it's rate. I'm sure it does nothing for BPH (for me). > > For me, chances are 1 in 6 (or 9), while other ethnics are higher, and > > those at higher latitudes are higher. > > > > It was enough for me when Dr. , NY, said substitute soy for > > meat, so I eat a little SPI and very little meats. > > > > Regards. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dowling <mailto:dowlic@h...> > > > > <mailto: > > > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 12:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Soy > > > > Life expectancy in the major soy eating countries is actually > > pretty good: > > > > http://www.overpopulation.com/faq/Health/mortality/life_expectancy/asi a.html > > > > > > > > > > >From: "jwwright" <jwwright@e... <mailto:jwwright@e...>> > > >Reply- > > <mailto: > > > >< > > <mailto: >> > > >Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Soy > > >Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:52:48 -0500 > > > > > >It occurred to me a while back, that those countries also maybe > > don't have > > >the number reaching PCa age. > > >many die from contagious diseases. > > >SPI >11 gms/d, makes me stiff and sore - as does too many peanuts. > > > > > >Regards. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Is it your belief that men in UK are experiencing PCa at earlier ages? I have a distant in-law with PCa, but most of the men I've come in contact with that have had PR's, etc, got it >70yo. In fact. most of my peers never got to 65 yo. It's surprising how many things a guy can die of, or get crippled by. Good luck. If you didn't know, a good prostate group: http://www.phcagroups.org/grsubsc.htm Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis De Jarnette Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Soy I agree on BPH but soy did drop my PSA considerablely, and BTW I do not see 50 as "old"LOLPositive Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 In a message dated 9/10/2004 7:13:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, eliz3378@... writes: what are your thoughts on soy? we have more or less eliminated soy. i read that post from dr pratt and he recommends it, however i have too much neg info on it. anyone?? --- I think soy is very healthful in moderation as long as it is non-GMO soy. I have 1-2 servings of soy a day. It is a better protein than meat protein and is heart healthy and good for moderating menopause symptoms, which is great for me because I'm right at the cusp of menopause and perimenopause. Myra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 I don't do soy... even the "pure" stuff can be gmo... since they usually don't clean the vats from one mix to the other... I do fine without it too. Suzi Elliott <eliz3378@...> wrote: what are your thoughts on soy? we have more or less eliminated soy. i read that post from dr pratt and he recommends it, however i have too much neg info on it. anyone?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Gloria, You have to be careful where you get the soy from.. alot is contaminated. SuziMorningGlory113@... wrote: A friend of mine just sent me an article about the dangers of eating soy. I am wondering what other people here think of soy and soy products. I personally eat them but don't overdo it. All of the soy products I use are organic. I can't imagine giving up my tofu, tamari and miso soup!Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Thank you, ! S. Re: Soy featherednst Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 3:15 PM My own undergraduate research, for one thing. Thousands of articles on PubMed, for another, which they won't know how to access. WestonAPrice.org has a blurb called The Truth About Soy. Anybody who disses the meticulous and empirical work of Weston A Price is not paying attention to reality. > > -- Tristin Wallace Naturopath, Applied Kinesiologist Stamford Center for Natural Health 111 High Ridge Road Stamford, CT 06905 203-325-3535 203-504-5020 fax www.stamfordnaturalhealth.com Listen to 350+ music, sports, news radio stations including songs for the holidays FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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