Re: How did you know it was time...

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Hi Cheryl -

I'll try to give some input, but don't know if any

will hit on the right topic.

First, Diflucan... are you using a dye-free one?

Possibly having it compounded at Friendly Hills? This

was a big one w/my son. When he gets less reactive,

he may not be as sensitive ... but I had no choice but

to use Friendly Hills for a long time there. And

without using insurance, it was much cheaper at the

time - that was before generic became available.

I'm sure you're washing off the blue dye, so I

wouldn't suspect much on Valtrex. That one, I'd give

time. And even if die-off has passed, that doesn't

mean something isn't still stirred up and setting him

off, but if it's a direct result of the Valtrex, it'll

pass.

My biggest suspicion, based on your son's behavior, is

that he may be eating something he is highly reactive

to, something that didn't seem to be a problem in the

first month, but has steadily and continuously set him

off. My first guess is that there is a favorite food

of his that is high in soy lecithen, or soy protein of

another kind, like hydrolyzed soy protein. I would

look at his pupils in a bright light, and if they do

not constrict down to a tiny point, I would search

through his diet seeking every source of lecithen

(except eggs - they're high in lecithen but it's very

different) and eliminate it IMMEDIATELY. And then you

need to allow an entire week (usually 5 days but give

a couple of extra) and see if his hostility doesn't

cut in half. If this is the problem, in my experience

there will still be remaining behavioral habit residue

from the internalized anger during this period of wild

anger, but it will begin to be much easier to handle,

the outbursts will be much shorter. Then you rebuild

the emotional control and reward the improvements

until they are gone.

Soy is the single biggest cause of aggression in my

household EVER. Pink dye (even the tiniest tint in the

generic I get) is 2nd. Peanut butter is next.

Chocolate syrup is a little further down on that list.

But if there's any strep involved, forget everything

I said. SSRIs never brought about a complete lack

of control like I thought a couple of times they were

.... it ALWAYS turned out that lecithen had leaked into

his diet and I overlooked it, because it takes well

over a week for the problem to build up, and by that

time, I had already expected the food to be fine. And

it does not increase eosiniphils or anything to show

up in the labs as a food reaction.

I sure hope it helps.

Keep us updated, and hang in there. You WILL get rid

of the problem, and in the meantime, hold your fingers

in front of your eyes, frame his head in them, and

squeeze while imagine pinching the little head off for

a bit of sick humor relief . Tones down my " mad " a

little - just had to use that one yesterday.

HTH-

--- Cheryl Lowrance <c.lowrance@...> wrote:

> to change your ssri? My son has been having issues

> with focus and

> attention, aggression and compliance ever since we

> changed back to

> Valtrex and tried to up his zoloft. We went back

> down on the zoloft

> but he still has the same issues, just not as bad.

> He completely

> ignores us at times now, is kicking, biting,

> spitting and eloping

> from tasks at school. He doesn't attend to anything

> hardly anymore.

> Is it time to change? Maybe it's time to change

> antifungals? We've

> only been on diflucan for probably about 4 months.

> I told Dr. G all

> of this last month and he felt we might still be

> going through some

> die off from the switch back to Valtrex but it's

> definitely not that

> since it's been 2 months now.

>

> Just frustrated. He's having a difficult time at

> school and getting

> into a lot more trouble at home. We have our

> appointment with Dr. G

> on Monday so that should be good but I was hoping

> for some input.

>

> Cheryl

>

>

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My son has been like Cheryl's since he had a bad " flu " at the end of Feb.

that last 10 days, then Dr. G put him on Biaxin. We've had a lot of

regression since. Dr. G has not wanted to adjust anything, except he did

switch him from Zovirax back to Valtrex about a month ago. No die off, but

not a lot of improvement, either ;-(

Kristy

Re: How did you know it was time...

Hi Cheryl -

I'll try to give some input, but don't know if any

will hit on the right topic.

First, Diflucan... are you using a dye-free one?

Possibly having it compounded at Friendly Hills? This

was a big one w/my son. When he gets less reactive,

he may not be as sensitive ... but I had no choice but

to use Friendly Hills for a long time there. And

without using insurance, it was much cheaper at the

time - that was before generic became available.

I'm sure you're washing off the blue dye, so I

wouldn't suspect much on Valtrex. That one, I'd give

time. And even if die-off has passed, that doesn't

mean something isn't still stirred up and setting him

off, but if it's a direct result of the Valtrex, it'll

pass.

My biggest suspicion, based on your son's behavior, is

that he may be eating something he is highly reactive

to, something that didn't seem to be a problem in the

first month, but has steadily and continuously set him

off. My first guess is that there is a favorite food

of his that is high in soy lecithen, or soy protein of

another kind, like hydrolyzed soy protein. I would

look at his pupils in a bright light, and if they do

not constrict down to a tiny point, I would search

through his diet seeking every source of lecithen

(except eggs - they're high in lecithen but it's very

different) and eliminate it IMMEDIATELY. And then you

need to allow an entire week (usually 5 days but give

a couple of extra) and see if his hostility doesn't

cut in half. If this is the problem, in my experience

there will still be remaining behavioral habit residue

from the internalized anger during this period of wild

anger, but it will begin to be much easier to handle,

the outbursts will be much shorter. Then you rebuild

the emotional control and reward the improvements

until they are gone.

Soy is the single biggest cause of aggression in my

household EVER. Pink dye (even the tiniest tint in the

generic I get) is 2nd. Peanut butter is next.

Chocolate syrup is a little further down on that list.

But if there's any strep involved, forget everything

I said. SSRIs never brought about a complete lack

of control like I thought a couple of times they were

... it ALWAYS turned out that lecithen had leaked into

his diet and I overlooked it, because it takes well

over a week for the problem to build up, and by that

time, I had already expected the food to be fine. And

it does not increase eosiniphils or anything to show

up in the labs as a food reaction.

I sure hope it helps.

Keep us updated, and hang in there. You WILL get rid

of the problem, and in the meantime, hold your fingers

in front of your eyes, frame his head in them, and

squeeze while imagine pinching the little head off for

a bit of sick humor relief . Tones down my " mad " a

little - just had to use that one yesterday.

HTH-

--- Cheryl Lowrance <c.lowrance@...> wrote:

> to change your ssri? My son has been having issues

> with focus and

> attention, aggression and compliance ever since we

> changed back to

> Valtrex and tried to up his zoloft. We went back

> down on the zoloft

> but he still has the same issues, just not as bad.

> He completely

> ignores us at times now, is kicking, biting,

> spitting and eloping

> from tasks at school. He doesn't attend to anything

> hardly anymore.

> Is it time to change? Maybe it's time to change

> antifungals? We've

> only been on diflucan for probably about 4 months.

> I told Dr. G all

> of this last month and he felt we might still be

> going through some

> die off from the switch back to Valtrex but it's

> definitely not that

> since it's been 2 months now.

>

> Just frustrated. He's having a difficult time at

> school and getting

> into a lot more trouble at home. We have our

> appointment with Dr. G

> on Monday so that should be good but I was hoping

> for some input.

>

> Cheryl

>

>

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I would ask Dr. G if his viral titers are going up on Valtrex. If so, it might

be better to switch anti-virals. Dr. G usually waits to see what the titers are

doing before he will switch, though.

How did you know it was time...

to change your ssri? My son has been having issues with focus and

attention, aggression and compliance ever since we changed back to

Valtrex and tried to up his zoloft. We went back down on the zoloft

but he still has the same issues, just not as bad. He completely

ignores us at times now, is kicking, biting, spitting and eloping

from tasks at school. He doesn't attend to anything hardly anymore.

Is it time to change? Maybe it's time to change antifungals? We've

only been on diflucan for probably about 4 months. I told Dr. G all

of this last month and he felt we might still be going through some

die off from the switch back to Valtrex but it's definitely not that

since it's been 2 months now.

Just frustrated. He's having a difficult time at school and getting

into a lot more trouble at home. We have our appointment with Dr. G

on Monday so that should be good but I was hoping for some input.

Cheryl

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The switch was *because* of titers going up.

Cheryl

On May 3, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Ellen wrote:

> I would ask Dr. G if his viral titers are going up on Valtrex. If

> so, it might be better to switch anti-virals. Dr. G usually waits

> to see what the titers are doing before he will switch, though.

>

> How did you know it was time...

>

> to change your ssri? My son has been having issues with focus and

> attention, aggression and compliance ever since we changed back to

> Valtrex and tried to up his zoloft. We went back down on the zoloft

> but he still has the same issues, just not as bad. He completely

> ignores us at times now, is kicking, biting, spitting and eloping

> from tasks at school. He doesn't attend to anything hardly anymore.

> Is it time to change? Maybe it's time to change antifungals? We've

> only been on diflucan for probably about 4 months. I told Dr. G all

> of this last month and he felt we might still be going through some

> die off from the switch back to Valtrex but it's definitely not that

> since it's been 2 months now.

>

> Just frustrated. He's having a difficult time at school and getting

> into a lot more trouble at home. We have our appointment with Dr. G

> on Monday so that should be good but I was hoping for some input.

>

> Cheryl

>

>

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Seems we're in the same boat....

Cheryl

On May 3, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Kristy Nardini wrote:

> My son has been like Cheryl's since he had a bad " flu " at the end

> of Feb.

> that last 10 days, then Dr. G put him on Biaxin. We've had a lot of

> regression since. Dr. G has not wanted to adjust anything, except

> he did

> switch him from Zovirax back to Valtrex about a month ago. No die

> off, but

> not a lot of improvement, either ;-(

>

> Kristy

>

> Re: How did you know it was time...

>

> Hi Cheryl -

>

> I'll try to give some input, but don't know if any

> will hit on the right topic.

>

> First, Diflucan... are you using a dye-free one?

> Possibly having it compounded at Friendly Hills? This

> was a big one w/my son. When he gets less reactive,

> he may not be as sensitive ... but I had no choice but

> to use Friendly Hills for a long time there. And

> without using insurance, it was much cheaper at the

> time - that was before generic became available.

>

> I'm sure you're washing off the blue dye, so I

> wouldn't suspect much on Valtrex. That one, I'd give

> time. And even if die-off has passed, that doesn't

> mean something isn't still stirred up and setting him

> off, but if it's a direct result of the Valtrex, it'll

> pass.

>

> My biggest suspicion, based on your son's behavior, is

> that he may be eating something he is highly reactive

> to, something that didn't seem to be a problem in the

> first month, but has steadily and continuously set him

> off. My first guess is that there is a favorite food

> of his that is high in soy lecithen, or soy protein of

> another kind, like hydrolyzed soy protein. I would

> look at his pupils in a bright light, and if they do

> not constrict down to a tiny point, I would search

> through his diet seeking every source of lecithen

> (except eggs - they're high in lecithen but it's very

> different) and eliminate it IMMEDIATELY. And then you

> need to allow an entire week (usually 5 days but give

> a couple of extra) and see if his hostility doesn't

> cut in half. If this is the problem, in my experience

> there will still be remaining behavioral habit residue

> from the internalized anger during this period of wild

> anger, but it will begin to be much easier to handle,

> the outbursts will be much shorter. Then you rebuild

> the emotional control and reward the improvements

> until they are gone.

>

> Soy is the single biggest cause of aggression in my

> household EVER. Pink dye (even the tiniest tint in the

> generic I get) is 2nd. Peanut butter is next.

> Chocolate syrup is a little further down on that list.

> But if there's any strep involved, forget everything

> I said. SSRIs never brought about a complete lack

> of control like I thought a couple of times they were

> ... it ALWAYS turned out that lecithen had leaked into

> his diet and I overlooked it, because it takes well

> over a week for the problem to build up, and by that

> time, I had already expected the food to be fine. And

> it does not increase eosiniphils or anything to show

> up in the labs as a food reaction.

>

> I sure hope it helps.

> Keep us updated, and hang in there. You WILL get rid

> of the problem, and in the meantime, hold your fingers

> in front of your eyes, frame his head in them, and

> squeeze while imagine pinching the little head off for

> a bit of sick humor relief . Tones down my " mad " a

> little - just had to use that one yesterday.

>

> HTH-

>

>

> --- Cheryl Lowrance <c.lowrance@...> wrote:

>

> > to change your ssri? My son has been having issues

> > with focus and

> > attention, aggression and compliance ever since we

> > changed back to

> > Valtrex and tried to up his zoloft. We went back

> > down on the zoloft

> > but he still has the same issues, just not as bad.

> > He completely

> > ignores us at times now, is kicking, biting,

> > spitting and eloping

> > from tasks at school. He doesn't attend to anything

> > hardly anymore.

> > Is it time to change? Maybe it's time to change

> > antifungals? We've

> > only been on diflucan for probably about 4 months.

> > I told Dr. G all

> > of this last month and he felt we might still be

> > going through some

> > die off from the switch back to Valtrex but it's

> > definitely not that

> > since it's been 2 months now.

> >

> > Just frustrated. He's having a difficult time at

> > school and getting

> > into a lot more trouble at home. We have our

> > appointment with Dr. G

> > on Monday so that should be good but I was hoping

> > for some input.

> >

> > Cheryl

> >

> >

>

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Comments within:

On May 3, 2008, at 9:33 AM, wrote:

>

> First, Diflucan... are you using a dye-free one?

>

We use pills.

>

> I'm sure you're washing off the blue dye

>

yup

>

> My biggest suspicion, based on your son's behavior, is

> that he may be eating something he is highly reactive

> to, something that didn't seem to be a problem in the

> first month,

>

No change in diet in years. Seriously, he's eating the exact same

things he's been eating for the last 2 years. Aside from that, he

has *never* shown a physical reaction to food. I've tried every diet

out there practically and every time, I just end up going back to the

same foods. We just sent in a diet to Dr. G, too. No changes there

except he wanted me to change multivits. He's never responded + or -

to any diet changes. Every once in a while I think " well maybe it's

this... " and I remove it for a month or two and nothing. I wish he

did respond to food because it would certainly make things easier for

me!

> Pink dye (even the tiniest tint in the

> generic I get) is 2nd.

>

He doesn't respond to dye, either. Maybe I'll switch to the white

pill just to see.

>

> I sure hope it helps.

>

I wish it did. Dr. G has been talking about wanting to change his

ssri so that's why I'm wondering if it might *need* to be changed.

>

> Keep us updated, and hang in there. You WILL get rid

> of the problem, and in the meantime, hold your fingers

> in front of your eyes, frame his head in them, and

> squeeze while imagine pinching the little head off for

> a bit of sick humor relief . Tones down my " mad " a

> little - just had to use that one yesterday.

>

You and me both!!!!!

cheryl

>

>

> HTH-

>

>

> --- Cheryl Lowrance <c.lowrance@...> wrote:

>

> > to change your ssri? My son has been having issues

> > with focus and

> > attention, aggression and compliance ever since we

> > changed back to

> > Valtrex and tried to up his zoloft. We went back

> > down on the zoloft

> > but he still has the same issues, just not as bad.

> > He completely

> > ignores us at times now, is kicking, biting,

> > spitting and eloping

> > from tasks at school. He doesn't attend to anything

> > hardly anymore.

> > Is it time to change? Maybe it's time to change

> > antifungals? We've

> > only been on diflucan for probably about 4 months.

> > I told Dr. G all

> > of this last month and he felt we might still be

> > going through some

> > die off from the switch back to Valtrex but it's

> > definitely not that

> > since it's been 2 months now.

> >

> > Just frustrated. He's having a difficult time at

> > school and getting

> > into a lot more trouble at home. We have our

> > appointment with Dr. G

> > on Monday so that should be good but I was hoping

> > for some input.

> >

> > Cheryl

> >

> >

>

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Hi Cheryl,

I do think its the SSRI. Sometimes it may be too much of a good thing. Think

about at what dose you had the best results for . Perhaps might consider

with Dr G to drop it down even further or switching. Did any behaviors change

with the change of anti-fungal ie. Nizoral to Diflucan, if so it could be the

anti-fungal. Just my thoughts.

Kavita

Re: How did you know it was time...

>

> Hi Cheryl -

>

> I'll try to give some input, but don't know if any

> will hit on the right topic.

>

> First, Diflucan... are you using a dye-free one?

> Possibly having it compounded at Friendly Hills? This

> was a big one w/my son. When he gets less reactive,

> he may not be as sensitive ... but I had no choice but

> to use Friendly Hills for a long time there. And

> without using insurance, it was much cheaper at the

> time - that was before generic became available.

>

> I'm sure you're washing off the blue dye, so I

> wouldn't suspect much on Valtrex. That one, I'd give

> time. And even if die-off has passed, that doesn't

> mean something isn't still stirred up and setting him

> off, but if it's a direct result of the Valtrex, it'll

> pass.

>

> My biggest suspicion, based on your son's behavior, is

> that he may be eating something he is highly reactive

> to, something that didn't seem to be a problem in the

> first month, but has steadily and continuously set him

> off. My first guess is that there is a favorite food

> of his that is high in soy lecithen, or soy protein of

> another kind, like hydrolyzed soy protein. I would

> look at his pupils in a bright light, and if they do

> not constrict down to a tiny point, I would search

> through his diet seeking every source of lecithen

> (except eggs - they're high in lecithen but it's very

> different) and eliminate it IMMEDIATELY. And then you

> need to allow an entire week (usually 5 days but give

> a couple of extra) and see if his hostility doesn't

> cut in half. If this is the problem, in my experience

> there will still be remaining behavioral habit residue

> from the internalized anger during this period of wild

> anger, but it will begin to be much easier to handle,

> the outbursts will be much shorter. Then you rebuild

> the emotional control and reward the improvements

> until they are gone.

>

> Soy is the single biggest cause of aggression in my

> household EVER. Pink dye (even the tiniest tint in the

> generic I get) is 2nd. Peanut butter is next.

> Chocolate syrup is a little further down on that list.

> But if there's any strep involved, forget everything

> I said. SSRIs never brought about a complete lack

> of control like I thought a couple of times they were

> ... it ALWAYS turned out that lecithen had leaked into

> his diet and I overlooked it, because it takes well

> over a week for the problem to build up, and by that

> time, I had already expected the food to be fine. And

> it does not increase eosiniphils or anything to show

> up in the labs as a food reaction.

>

> I sure hope it helps.

> Keep us updated, and hang in there. You WILL get rid

> of the problem, and in the meantime, hold your fingers

> in front of your eyes, frame his head in them, and

> squeeze while imagine pinching the little head off for

> a bit of sick humor relief . Tones down my " mad " a

> little - just had to use that one yesterday.

>

> HTH-

>

>

> --- Cheryl Lowrance <c.lowranceca (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

>

> > to change your ssri? My son has been having issues

> > with focus and

> > attention, aggression and compliance ever since we

> > changed back to

> > Valtrex and tried to up his zoloft. We went back

> > down on the zoloft

> > but he still has the same issues, just not as bad.

> > He completely

> > ignores us at times now, is kicking, biting,

> > spitting and eloping

> > from tasks at school. He doesn't attend to anything

> > hardly anymore.

> > Is it time to change? Maybe it's time to change

> > antifungals? We've

> > only been on diflucan for probably about 4 months.

> > I told Dr. G all

> > of this last month and he felt we might still be

> > going through some

> > die off from the switch back to Valtrex but it's

> > definitely not that

> > since it's been 2 months now.

> >

> > Just frustrated. He's having a difficult time at

> > school and getting

> > into a lot more trouble at home. We have our

> > appointment with Dr. G

> > on Monday so that should be good but I was hoping

> > for some input.

> >

> > Cheryl

> >

> >

>

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