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Holly, the regression you are seeing is more than likely due to the

larger amounts of protease in Peptizyde, plus the DPP IV actions in

decreasing endogenous amounts of exorphin peptides. In other words,

it may be a withdrawal reaction, even though he is gfcf. If it is

withdrawal, it usually shows up around day 7 after taking Peptizyde,

and then lessens after day 14 or so. It varies, but that seems to be

the average.

Yeast die-off can be increased using high-protease enzymes, so that

may well be contributing to the effects seen.

Stay the course for a while, and see if things don't get better soon.

Devin

> Hi I'm new to the list. My son is autistic and 4 years old. He

has

> been GF/CF corn, soy, peanut etc. free for 7 months. He has been

> taking th HN-Zyme for 2 months and doing very well. The doctor

just

> started him a week ago on Peptizyde in addition to the HN-Zyme and

we

> are noticing a huge regression. Similar to what he was like prior

to

> being on the diet. What is going on? We are also treating him for

> yeast and have been for the past 30 days. We rotate different anti-

> yeast herbs every 4 days. We thought it might be the capricin but

> now that we are on the oregano oil he still is stimmy.

>

> Holly

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Does he go to school? Has anything changed at school? More students

in his classroom? Are they feeding him something different? Do you

have him on any sort of diet such as Feingold or Failsafe? My son is

doing " worse " now, and I think in part it is due to the winter months-

- lack of exercise, and also the things that we are feeding him, and

the toxins/reactions are building up. I frequently see my son with

dark circles under his eyes nowadays. I just got Feingold, haven't

implemented it fully-- just at the reading the labels in our house

stage. Anyway, those are my thoughts. Hopefully they, or someone

else's can help you pinpoint why you are seeing regression. I would

also suggest thinking about the garlic and acidophilus making things

worse in the sense that if his system is having a hard time

processing things right now, your added amount of garlic and

acidophilus might not be helping in the way that you had hoped.

Perhaps cut back or even give him a few days off of it altogether and

see what happens. My son can't take any supplements for more than a

few days at a time without us having to give him a break. This is

all post-miralax and I plan on following up with an environmental

medicine specialist this summer.

W

>

> Hello all- i am sooooooooooooo perplexed. david had been doing so

wonderful....he heisted a box of ho ho's about a month ago now

(unbeknown to me at the time but figured out later)we wnt through

some mildly wierd stuff. however his language seems to be slipping....

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In a message dated 2/20/02 11:17:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,

danaatty@... writes:

> Winter regression can be associated with phenols.

>

>

Dana -- what do you mean? Is this because of being in more enclosed areas

(chemical/dust/mold exposures)?

Celia

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mary-we homeschool and i have been doing supplements for quite a few

years now with no problems....soooooooooooo it is very rare for him

to get anything that i don't know about.....just very perplexed about

the whole thing....he does usually do worse at different times of the

year but since the enzymes he has never complained of not being able

to think as he is now.... neva

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My son

is

> doing " worse " now, and I think in part it is due to the winter

months-

> - lack of exercise, and also the things that we are feeding him, and

> the toxins/reactions are building up. I frequently see my son with

> dark circles under his eyes nowadays.

Winter regression can be associated with phenols.

http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/sad.htm

Adding supplements, especially probiotics, can cause regression during

die off phase. My kids developed yeast issue after all the Christmas

goodies I let them eat.

http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/yeast.htm

Dana

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Neva,

I know very little about parasites, but the fact that you brought

them up made me wonder - do you have pets or livestock? I do know an

adult that had a parasite and it caused her a lot of problems (GI

problems & appetite) before the doctor/testing found the problem.

I assume you've checked all over his room to make sure he hasn't

stashed some other foods since you had the Ho-Hos incident. Another

thought is whether you are careful about the timing of the enzymes

before he eats.

>

> Hello all- i am sooooooooooooo perplexed. david had been doing so

wonderful....he heisted a box of ho ho's about a month ago now

(unbeknown to me at the time but figured out later)we wnt through

some mildly wierd stuff. however his language seems to be

slipping....he is not stopping his talking but seems to be sluring

his words as he did pre enzymes, verbal stimming(humming while

eating, reenacting parts from tv shows,constant wierd singing),

aggressive play, not reading as well, lower concentration and not

cleaning himself at all after bm's...and will not allow me to know if

he has indeed had a bm.. must rely on my nose. i have asked him to

tell me when he has a bm but he has not nor do i think he will. i've

been trying to " catch " him but with 2 other kids and 1 on the way i

cannot always make it there ... i have increased his garlic and

accidolphilus to combat yeast if that is what it is....what about

parasites??? he is just plan famished at meal times or just the

opposite....even if we have favorite foods.... i really don't have a

clue as to what to do.... anyone have any ideas??? thanks neva

>

>

>

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>

> I assume you've checked all over his room to make sure he hasn't

> stashed some other foods since you had the Ho-Hos incident.

Another

> thought is whether you are careful about the timing of the enzymes

> before he eats.

i am VERY careful about the timing of enzymes....30 min prior...i

have an egg timer that we use...david loves it!!! and then i give him

only 30min to eat...maybe a bit over protective....but it has worked

great up until now... yes we have pets and they have been treated for

tapeworms... this is what has me wondering if it may be it...the doc

won't test because i have no proof of infestation...(in david) says

it is an expensive test andno need to do it.... i ' m trying to find

out how to treat kids naturally....i am sure that there is a way but

just have to discover it....

and yes went on a MAJOR seek and destroy mission when i relized what

happened and did the old grilling where are they... do you have any

thing else??? this is another reason i feel that it is yeast because

of the sugar....seems to be craving sweets....at least this is the

only reason i can figure as to why he'd heist a box of ho

ho's...needless to say i told hubby if he wants snacks at work he'll

have to get them and take them straight there....not in the house at

all...so i just have to figure out what and how to treat first... neva

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> great up until now... yes we have pets and they have been treated for

> tapeworms... this is what has me wondering if it may be it...the doc

> won't test because i have no proof of infestation...(in david) says

> it is an expensive test andno need to do it.... i ' m trying to find

> out how to treat kids naturally....i am sure that there is a way but

> just have to discover it....

Hi Neva

Some " signs " of infestation with worms would be an itchy nose (and sometimes

eyes... the conjunctive). Other than this... sometimes an itchy anus if the

infestation is just at the beginning (I'm not sure about this though...)

Another good sign would be the fact that when you give him garlic he should

feel bad, or simply get crazy, or have a reaction phenol-like (circle under

his eyes and all the rest)

The fact that you have animals doesn't mean much, because one can get

infested with parasites from many-many places! And anyway, most of the time

animals have different worms.

To test... sometimes won't help if the parasites migrated into who knows what

organ (liver for example). You have to test many times. But yes, usually

there are different signs and doctors (usually) know how to look for them...

Hope this helps some... look for the itchy nose. that's the best sign :)

Valentina

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> > Winter regression can be associated with phenols.

> >

> >

>

> Dana -- what do you mean? Is this because of being in more enclosed

areas

> (chemical/dust/mold exposures)?

Being inside is one possible reason, for the lack of light but can be

the reasons you list also. But Seasonal Affective Disorder [sAD] can

be a phenol reaction. Read the studies I include on this page.

http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/sad.htm

Dana

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> i am VERY careful about the timing of enzymes....30 min prior...i

> have an egg timer that we use...david loves it!!! and then i give

him

> only 30min to eat...maybe a bit over protective....but it has worked

> great up until now... yes we have pets and they have been treated

for

> tapeworms... this is what has me wondering if it may be it...the doc

> won't test because i have no proof of infestation...(in david) says

> it is an expensive test andno need to do it.... i ' m trying to find

> out how to treat kids naturally....i am sure that there is a way but

> just have to discover it....

I have heard garlic is good for pinworms, not sure about other types

of worms tho.

Here is my page for ideas for yeast. I just added [but not yet

uploaded] a sentence I received from another forum " Other yeast

remedies you can consider, are garlic, oregano, uva ursi, and

biocidin. "

http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/yeast.htm

Dana

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Neva,

So sorry to hear of your ds's regression. It is always so hard to

watch.

FWIW, Tom has had several incidents of " spacey type regression " since

beginning enzymes last June. Other than the one over Christmas, I've

not been able to pinpoint the cause. However, they usually only last

1-2 weeks and then he comes back better than ever. Hope the same

holds true for your ds.

If possible, I'd check for yeast or bad bacteria. I know these can

definitely mask any progress you've made. Please keep us updated.

God Bless,

Sally

> >

> >

> > I assume you've checked all over his room to make sure he hasn't

> > stashed some other foods since you had the Ho-Hos incident.

> Another

> > thought is whether you are careful about the timing of the

enzymes

> > before he eats.

>

> i am VERY careful about the timing of enzymes....30 min prior...i

> have an egg timer that we use...david loves it!!! and then i give

him

> only 30min to eat...maybe a bit over protective....but it has

worked

> great up until now... yes we have pets and they have been treated

for

> tapeworms... this is what has me wondering if it may be it...the

doc

> won't test because i have no proof of infestation...(in david) says

> it is an expensive test andno need to do it.... i ' m trying to

find

> out how to treat kids naturally....i am sure that there is a way

but

> just have to discover it....

> and yes went on a MAJOR seek and destroy mission when i relized

what

> happened and did the old grilling where are they... do you have any

> thing else??? this is another reason i feel that it is yeast

because

> of the sugar....seems to be craving sweets....at least this is the

> only reason i can figure as to why he'd heist a box of ho

> ho's...needless to say i told hubby if he wants snacks at work

he'll

> have to get them and take them straight there....not in the house

at

> all...so i just have to figure out what and how to treat first...

neva

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Hello Tara

Is Grace hitting milestones at the moment? Is she teething? Sick

maybe? Any of these things can make torticollis come back worse than

it was before. Keep streching her neck, and when you get through

whatever is causing it at the moment the torticollis will be better

again. I know that this is very frustrating, but you have come soo

far. Regression is something so rare, that our doc said he has never

had a baby regress. I believe he has treated hundreds of kids. You

do need to work on the tort though. I know that at 14 months you

will not be able to change the way Grace wants to sleep. I know that

Willow at 15months would not let me lay her any which way she doesn't

want to lay.

Good luck on the tort, and like I said, just keep streching. Try the

exersise ball. Willow loved it, and we got some good streching in

from that in front of the mirror. She would do just about anything

to see her chunky self. lol

Sandy Willow's Mom

Torticollis resolved

Cranio germany grad

> Hello again-

> Here is my updated story- sorry it is a lengthy one. I have not

> posted since Grace was in her first band (at the end of her 7th

> month.) After graduating from that first band (at the end of her

11th

> month)- we had her banded again because she still had facial

> assymetry. Now we are near ending our treatment - with maybe one

month

> remaining- and she still has torticollis as well as facial

assymetry-

> and her flat spot is still there. (She will be 14 months when she

> graduates from band 2.) She has had improvement - though not as good

> as I had hoped- her plagio was severe and tort was mild- though now

I

> swear her tort is worse than it has ever been.

>

> We were stretching 5 times a day- cut back to 3 and that's when we

> thought her tort was gone. It is back with a vengence now- and I

> think her facial assymetry worsened too- this is all so frustrating-

> my hair is literally falling out due to stress over this. I am so

> concerned to get her out of this band and have her regress-

especially

> since we have worked so hard with this stretching and paid out of

> pocket now for two bands. I really cannot afford to pay for a third

> one of these things- but am really fearing regression if I don't. I

> know her head is going to naturally roll to her flat spot when she

> sleeps- because that side of her head is still flat.

>

> I have talked with our CT about this- but if I can just be blunt

about

> this- I don't care too much for her. She just seems very unhelpful

> and too laid back for me. We had a lady substitute for her while

she

> was on vacation- and for the first time I felt like I actually had

> someone who was paying attention and helpful. I don't want to

mention

> her name or anything or say where I go for treatment because I have

to

> still finish my daughter's treatment. Anyhow- what is the chance

that

> she could regress at 14 months? Anyone have any tips for opposite

> work I can do with her to help with this tort mess? Thanks for

> listening-Tara

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If you go to this website Hannahs Noggin , you can read about 's daughter Hannah who dealt with regression. I hope this helps. CAROLG >> does anyone know anything about regreesion after graduating from the > band. my some has regressed and now is in his 2nd band. i am fearful > of regression after this band>

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If you go to this website Hannahs Noggin , you can read about 's daughter Hannah who dealt with regression. I hope this helps. CAROLG >> does anyone know anything about regreesion after graduating from the > band. my some has regressed and now is in his 2nd band. i am fearful > of regression after this band>

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contrats on the upcoming graduation! Sorry, I can't really help with the questions, but how awesome that she's almost done!anonymous anonymous <teaneckanonymous@...> wrote: The good news is after 9 weeks in DOC band- my child only has 1.5 more weeks to go!!! Her PT said she only has 1 more session left for tort! I am so terrified about regresison and about the tort tilt coming back. Any Advice on how to prevent

plagio regression? Can my child still sleep on her back? (although she rolls she really doesnt sleep on her belly at all) Also- how often should i be going back to pt for re-checks that nothing has come back? Get your email and more, right on the new .com

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We have been doing alot of medical and therapeutic interventions with

our daughter. She has has an MRI and EEG that were both normal. We are

not seeing even a very slow gradual development of new skills. She is

gains skills and then loses them. We have learned not to count on any

new skill sticking. It has been really discouraging. Nobody seems to

know what to suggest. She clearly has lost ground over the last couple

years, evident in speech testing.

We heard about Dr. Goldberg after my husband was diagnosed with

auto-immune thyroid disease. We have not yet seen Dr. Goldberg but we

just got the form.

Has anyone else seen a similar pattern with their child/children? If

so, has the approach made a difference? Any other suggestions. We

just want to make sure we are not missing something that we could be

doing to help her.

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We have been helping our child for over five years and Dr. G's protocol, out of

the many we have tried, has worked the best for our child. Good luck.

>From: Caroline <carrieps@...>

>Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 05:48:28 CDT

>

>Subject: Regression

>

>We have been doing alot of medical and therapeutic interventions with

>our daughter. She has has an MRI and EEG that were both normal. We are

>not seeing even a very slow gradual development of new skills. She is

>gains skills and then loses them. We have learned not to count on any

>new skill sticking. It has been really discouraging. Nobody seems to

>know what to suggest. She clearly has lost ground over the last couple

>years, evident in speech testing.

>

>We heard about Dr. Goldberg after my husband was diagnosed with

>auto-immune thyroid disease. We have not yet seen Dr. Goldberg but we

>just got the form.

>

>Has anyone else seen a similar pattern with their child/children? If

>so, has the approach made a difference? Any other suggestions. We

>just want to make sure we are not missing something that we could be

>doing to help her.

>

>

>

Sincerely,

Juarez, M.S., Marriage and Family Therapist

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