Yeast

[Guest guest]

>> I'm pretty convinced my son is highly reactive

> to cinnamon, oregano, orange, red dyes, bananas etc- thus he is

phenol

> sensitive.

Yep, sounds like.

> However, can you assume that if you are phenol sensitive you are

salicylate

> sensitive?

In general, yes. Not always tho. Some kids are only sensitive to the

artificials, so they are not salicylate sensitive, just phenol

sensitive.

>> Banana confuses me, it has zero salicylates but is classified as

> high phenol.

Bananas are high amine, another subset of phenol.

>> And if a product has high salicylates, than you cant assume its

> phenolic?

Salicylate is a subset of phenol. High salycilate means high phenol.

High amine means high phenol, just a different type of phenol.

> As you could see this totally confuses me.

Confused me at first also. But because this was my son's [and my own]

main issue, I spent quite a bit of time trying to figure it out LOL

>> Also I havent seen honeydew is

> that high salicylates/high phenol?

I have not found that one specifically. Melons tend to be high

phenol, but honeydew is light green in color, probably not too bad.

You can try it and see what happens with your child, if you want.

>> Also, what do you recommend to supplement

> with (low

> phenol) if you want to up essential fatty acids ? Have you found any

products

> that worked for your children?

My kids have not tolerated any EFAs that I have tried. I don't know

what to recommend, sorry.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>>What is good for treating gut yeast?

Removal/big reduction is sugar and carbs in the diet, GSE, Olive Leaf,

probiotics, Digestive Enzymes particulary HNI Pep and No Fenol and Pure

Essence Labs Candex enzyme. (Not all at once!)

[Guest guest]

>

> What is good for treating gut yeast? Thanks

I use GSE. I have other ideas here

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Well now I have a huge clue to Hs severe reactions. I found candida

on his penis on the weekend and today it has it on his face too.

>

> Two questions:

> Why would it seem to come out like this once I started him on

enzymes (1/2 ZP and 1 PEP)?

One reason might be better digestion of the sugars and carbs he is

eating.

>

> Should I try to find GFSE or has anyone used Nilstat or anything

else that's easy to get?

GSE works very well for my family. Or you can consider oil of

oregano, or other similar.

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Eruptions/rashes/bumps/acne are all the body's way of telling you something is

out of whack inside. The skin is one of the body's methods of expelling

problems. A cream wouldn't address the yeast overgrowth, only the rash. I would

treat with GSE to get the yeast issue under control on the inside.

Yeast

Kyson (5 yr old h/f aspergers) has had a rash around his mouth on and off

for a few years now. The latest breakout has lasted about 6 months. We keep

it under control with Elocon cream but it is still apparent, particularly if

you don't put it on twice daily.

I am wondering if it could be a yeast infection. Would a yeast cream clear

it up?

Debbie

[Guest guest]

Thanks , do you think that it could be a yeast problem? Also what is

GSE and where can you get it?

Thanks.

Debbie

Re: Yeast

Eruptions/rashes/bumps/acne are all the body's way of telling you

something is out of whack inside. The skin is one of the body's methods of

expelling problems. A cream wouldn't address the yeast overgrowth, only the

rash. I would treat with GSE to get the yeast issue under control on the

inside.

Yeast

Kyson (5 yr old h/f aspergers) has had a rash around his mouth on and

off

for a few years now. The latest breakout has lasted about 6 months. We

keep

it under control with Elocon cream but it is still apparent,

particularly if

you don't put it on twice daily.

I am wondering if it could be a yeast infection. Would a yeast cream

clear

it up?

Debbie

[Guest guest]

Ignore my question about GSE. I found a website that explains it.

Debbie

Re: Yeast

Eruptions/rashes/bumps/acne are all the body's way of telling you

something is out of whack inside. The skin is one of the body's methods of

expelling problems. A cream wouldn't address the yeast overgrowth, only the

rash. I would treat with GSE to get the yeast issue under control on the

inside.

Yeast

Kyson (5 yr old h/f aspergers) has had a rash around his mouth on and

off

for a few years now. The latest breakout has lasted about 6 months. We

keep

it under control with Elocon cream but it is still apparent,

particularly if

you don't put it on twice daily.

I am wondering if it could be a yeast infection. Would a yeast cream

clear

it up?

Debbie

[Guest guest]

> I am wondering if it could be a yeast infection. Would a yeast cream

clear

> it up?

It can be yeast. Try Lotrimin, from your grocery store, see if that

works better.

Dana

[Guest guest]

GSE is Grapefruit Seed Extract. Administering it is usually the quickest/

surest way to see if yeast is an issue. You'll either get die-off then

improvement or no reaction and no improvement. We put one drop in a cup of

lemonade with a capsule of No-Fenol a couple of times a day for a couple of

days. We buy ours at our local health food store.

Yeast

Kyson (5 yr old h/f aspergers) has had a rash around his mouth on and

off

for a few years now. The latest breakout has lasted about 6 months. We

keep

it under control with Elocon cream but it is still apparent,

particularly if

you don't put it on twice daily.

I am wondering if it could be a yeast infection. Would a yeast cream

clear

it up?

Debbie

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this info. I am definitely going to get some. I won't be able to

get it until the weekend (I live in a remote area). I'll stop using the

cream when I start using it and see what happens.

Debbie

Re: Yeast

GSE is Grapefruit Seed Extract. Administering it is usually the quickest/

surest way to see if yeast is an issue. You'll either get die-off then

improvement or no reaction and no improvement. We put one drop in a cup of

lemonade with a capsule of No-Fenol a couple of times a day for a couple of

days. We buy ours at our local health food store.

Yeast

Kyson (5 yr old h/f aspergers) has had a rash around his mouth on

and

off

for a few years now. The latest breakout has lasted about 6 months.

We

keep

it under control with Elocon cream but it is still apparent,

particularly if

you don't put it on twice daily.

I am wondering if it could be a yeast infection. Would a yeast cream

clear

it up?

Debbie

[Guest guest]

I have never heard of it. Maybe we don't have it here in Aus. Is it a yeast

cream.

Debbie

Re: Yeast

> I am wondering if it could be a yeast infection. Would a yeast cream

clear

> it up?

It can be yeast. Try Lotrimin, from your grocery store, see if that

works better.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> I have never heard of it. Maybe we don't have it here in Aus. Is it

a yeast

> cream.

It is a yeast cream. You can buy the " female yeast issues " version,

or the " foot/jock itch " version.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I tried Caneston (a yeast cream) on it once and it spread and went very red

and raised.

Debbie

Re: Yeast

> I have never heard of it. Maybe we don't have it here in Aus. Is it

a yeast

> cream.

It is a yeast cream. You can buy the " female yeast issues " version,

or the " foot/jock itch " version.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> I started my second attempt to get rid of my son's yeast on

Thursday. Soon

> after having either Candex, Culturelle, or GSE he goes into a rage,

crying

> and furious over anything. If I give activated charcoal he is fine.

So am I

> on the right track?

This sounds like die off effect. Continue to give the activated

charcoal. You can also reduce the doses of your yeast killers, that

can also help.

>> His bm's are big, he's got a pimply rash on his bum. Do I

> keep treating until the rages subside without charcoal?

I would keep treating until he has no rages and the bms are better and

the rash is gone.

No-Fenol enzyme can also help.

http://www.houstonni.com/

Dana

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/17/03 10:30:31 AM, danaatty@... writes:

<< I would keep treating until he has no rages and the bms are better and

the rash is gone.

No-Fenol enzyme can also help. >>

Thanks, Dana. I'm doing plenty of No-Phenol too, with the GSE and other times

too. Might have to get some oil of oregano just so I can throw something else

at it.

Nell

[Guest guest]

>

> In a message dated 5/17/03 10:30:31 AM, danaatty@y... writes:

>

> << I would keep treating until he has no rages and the bms are

better and

>

> the rash is gone.

>

>

> No-Fenol enzyme can also help. >>

I keep hearing people say that No-Fenol can " help " with yeast. Does

that mean it's useful but not as useful as, say, GSE? Just weighing

my options on the next move.

Also, do phenol problems manifest themselves as addiction the way

gluten intolerance does? I see my daughter eating a LOT of apples

and pears, but that's about all that makes me think she might have a

phenol problem.

Finally, activated charcol. Can this be purchased at a health food

store? Also, does it cause any problems w/digestion or stools? And

should it be given with or after a meal?

Thanks - continuing to pepper you all with questions, I know...

- Molly

[Guest guest]

> I keep hearing people say that No-Fenol can " help " with yeast. Does

> that mean it's useful but not as useful as, say, GSE? Just weighing

> my options on the next move.

No-Fenol helps to break down the yeast cell wall, which will allow

your probiotic and/or yeast killer to be more effective in killing the

yeast. For some kids, just breaking down the cell wall will allow

their bodies to keep the yeast under control, even without probiotics

or yeast killers.

>

> Also, do phenol problems manifest themselves as addiction the way

> gluten intolerance does?

For many kids, yes.

>> I see my daughter eating a LOT of apples

> and pears,

Pears are low phenol, apples are high. Both are in the same food

family tho. So if your child craves both, it is probably an

intolerance to that food family, not necessarily phenols. But

No-Fenol did allow my kids to eat both apples and pears, and my kids

had problems with the food family as well as my son having problems

with phenols.

> Finally, activated charcol. Can this be purchased at a health food

> store? Also, does it cause any problems w/digestion or stools? And

> should it be given with or after a meal?

I have never used it, but I have heard good results with it absorbing

toxins from die off. So you would want to give it about 30-45 minutes

after you give your yeast treatment, and it would absorb the toxins

from the dying yeast.

Dana

[Guest guest]

how much charcoal are you giving and how?

yeast

> I started my second attempt to get rid of my son's yeast on Thursday. Soon

> after having either Candex, Culturelle, or GSE he goes into a rage, crying

> and furious over anything. If I give activated charcoal he is fine. So am

I

> on the right track? His bm's are big, he's got a pimply rash on his bum.

Do I

> keep treating until the rages subside without charcoal?

>

> Nell

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/20/03 4:12:53 PM, mfurc535@... writes:

<< how much charcoal are you giving and how?

>>

I'm using Nature's Way activated charcoal. It comes in capsules. Only 10

minutes or so after GSE or Candex my son was going NUTS -- hitting, kicking,

super-hyper, screaming he was going to kill me. The die-off must feel

terrible. So immediately (when I can get him calm) he takes 1 cap of charcoal

and within 5 minutes he is FINE. It is really something to see. Finally now,

after a week, he is not reacting to probiotics or to Candex, the rash on his

bum has gone, and whew it looks like we've weathered the storm. Thanks to

Dana and everyone else for helping us through.

BTW this is very similar to what happens with Alka Seltzer Gold. If there's a

mystery reaction or an infraction, a bit of ASG mixed into juice stops the

reaction cold. Another miracle.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that info!

Re: yeast

> I keep hearing people say that No-Fenol can " help " with yeast. Does

> that mean it's useful but not as useful as, say, GSE? Just weighing

> my options on the next move.

No-Fenol helps to break down the yeast cell wall, which will allow

your probiotic and/or yeast killer to be more effective in killing the

yeast. For some kids, just breaking down the cell wall will allow

their bodies to keep the yeast under control, even without probiotics

or yeast killers.

>

> Also, do phenol problems manifest themselves as addiction the way

> gluten intolerance does?

For many kids, yes.

>> I see my daughter eating a LOT of apples

> and pears,

Pears are low phenol, apples are high. Both are in the same food

family tho. So if your child craves both, it is probably an

intolerance to that food family, not necessarily phenols. But

No-Fenol did allow my kids to eat both apples and pears, and my kids

had problems with the food family as well as my son having problems

with phenols.

> Finally, activated charcol. Can this be purchased at a health food

> store? Also, does it cause any problems w/digestion or stools? And

> should it be given with or after a meal?

I have never used it, but I have heard good results with it absorbing

toxins from die off. So you would want to give it about 30-45 minutes

after you give your yeast treatment, and it would absorb the toxins

from the dying yeast.

Dana

[Guest guest]

--- In , " zoelle1995 " <rashikino@n...>

wrote:

> Hi, We have been using gse for yeast, also have given Machaela

> culturelle and recently started the ojibwa tea and NSF. but she

still

> seems to have a problem with yeast.

Why do you say this? What behaviors and/or bms does she have? I ask

because giving GSE when there is no yeast, will cause a bacteria

problem for my kids.

>> Help any suggestions..I gave her

> Candex 2 tabs twice a day for 3 days so far and no difference..

> (stopped the gse) still very soft stool and yellowish,

I would increase the Culturelle and see if that helps.

Dana

[Guest guest]

on 7/27/03 6:47 AM, zoelle1995 at rashikino@... wrote:

,

As a chelating adult, I followed what the kids were doing and it has helped

me tremendously.Suggestions:Lauricidin,Aqua Flora,Aloe Vera Juice,and

occasional Oil of Oregano when the yeast gets really bad.I think that there

are many strains of yeast and some are resistant to various anti-fungals,so

you have to keep trying until you get the right combo.

Also,for yeast flare-ups,I had to completely take myself off carbohydrates.I

eat poultry,eggs,veg,and lots of nuts,nut butters,coconut milk,ect...This

has made a huge difference.Basically,I don't give the yeast any food that

will eventually turn into sugar.

The yeast flares at the end of a chelation cycle:I think it's the

redistribution.So I actually do better on 3 on/4 off, than a longer waiting

period. It helps mop up some of the redistribution.

Hth,

> Hi, We have been using gse for yeast, also have given Machaela

> culturelle and recently started the ojibwa tea and NSF. but she still

> seems to have a problem with yeast. Help any suggestions..I gave her

> Candex 2 tabs twice a day for 3 days so far and no difference..

> (stopped the gse) still very soft stool and yellowish, Macheala gets

> very hyper and problems sleeping, ..we are chelating this weekend

> will get her last dose at 4pm..do you think I should wait a few days

> and see how it is..

> we have been doing the chelation 3 days on 4 days off..maybe I should

> give it a rest and do 3 days on 11 off...Help help help....what else

> should I try..

> Thanks so much

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, well now today she is so much better..I skipped one day of the

tea. Im really not 100% when she has yeast problem or not..her stool

gets very soft and shes very defiante and screams and bangs on things

and breaks things..No bm yet today.. 2 episodes of crying for no

apparent reason other than pain..She does have better days when we

chelate.. I will increase the culturelle..any other thoughts.

julie

> > Hi, We have been using gse for yeast, also have given Machaela

> > culturelle and recently started the ojibwa tea and NSF. but she

> still

> > seems to have a problem with yeast.

>

>

> Why do you say this? What behaviors and/or bms does she have? I

ask

> because giving GSE when there is no yeast, will cause a bacteria

> problem for my kids.

>

>

> >> Help any suggestions..I gave her

> > Candex 2 tabs twice a day for 3 days so far and no difference..

> > (stopped the gse) still very soft stool and yellowish,

>

>

> I would increase the Culturelle and see if that helps.

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

--- In , " zoelle1995 " <rashikino@n...>

wrote:

> Hi, well now today she is so much better..I skipped one day of the

> tea.

She may not tolerate the tea.

Dana

[Guest guest]

<<Peeling finger tips can be remedied by Omega 3 fatty acids if it is

not allergy related (which it also can be). >>

Another thing to rattle around...I know he's not getting enough of any fatty

acids. I'll hold on to that.

<<Of course I have to make sure nothing in our situation has changed, i.e.

reading the packing for the soaps, detergents etc. did they add a new

ingredient?, >>

Ah, yes, I do need to do another " ingredient inventory, " it's been

awhile...already thinking about one detergent I added . . .

<<so paradoxially they appear to be healthier than normal in that they

don't get flus or colds resdily but in fact they get these viruses

and regression or lack of progress is the only symptom. >>

He actually does catch a lot, just doesn't seem sick right now.

<<if the bones are that brittle that a tumble off a bike can raise the

possibilty of it >>

Actually, his jaw was just bady bruised, which meant he ate through a straw

for 4 days...however, we were so worried about his jaw that we barely

slapped a band-aid on the gash on his chin...took 8 stitches to sew that

baby up...ahhh, parenthood...

<<people give the cold shoulder when thry are told more than they want

to hear ;o)>>

Yes, you've had some experience with that, haven't you? Well put on a parka

and talk away, my friend, it will all gel together in my mess of a brain

eventually!

<<my daughter experiences peeling & has been helped with a teaspoon of

lanolin cream mixed with a drop of teatree oil. if the skin is drying but

not broken, i have used oil of oregano, but that has a sting.>>

I'll save that, never heard of using either of those, thanks!

M