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Yes my daughter does this.  The one correlation that I see is that she has light

colored BM's on that day.  I use to think that it was from Soy but I  have

removed that from her diet and now I don't know why it happens but it does. 

Sheri

From: Caroline <carrieps@...>

Subject: mouth hanging open

Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 10:20 PM

Our daughter has had this weird symptom periodically of her mouth being

open and her jaw loose. This usually happens pretty constantly for one

day and then will stop and won't return for another week or two. She

is very regressed and non-responsive on that day. I wanted to see if

others had seen this in their children. If so, have you heard any

explanation? ?

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Hey -

Have you seen a neurologist re this?

I have heard of this, but not directly from a parent on the list.  I heard of it

in reading, and I cannot remember what it was called yet.  If more comes to me

over the next couple of days I'll get back to you.

Is it like her jaw is slack?

Be sure to take a video of her on a good day, then be sure to video it

extensively when it happens.

Sounds like the possibility of a seizure.  *Don't panic*. (Yeah right, right?) 

I wouldn't even say that because I know it would terrify you, but the fact that

it is a one-day type of occurance with cognitive and behavioral changes would

suggest that.   Keep in mind seizures are common with our kids, and very often

can be relatively " ok " - and soooo many people have experienced a reduction or

complete remission of seizures on the protocol - even severe,

previously intractable seizures. 

It could also be something akin to migraines - different obviously, but the kind

of inflammation that attacks for a day or more, makes life miserable, then

vanishes until the next time. 

I would really guess that this is neurological - in a migraine or seizure way. 

There are plenty of seizures types that don't involve twitching or grand mal

types.  Lots of our kids have absence seizures - they seem awake and suddenly

seem to daydream, be non-responsive at the time, then move on like nothing had

happened.  And they can't even usually be detected by EEG.  That's why filming

it would be helpful.

Hang in there - don't be terrified ...

Have you already seen a doctor before re this?

I'll have to figure out the term before I can give more info.  Can you provide

any other observations?

mouth hanging open

Our daughter has had this weird symptom periodically of her mouth being

open and her jaw loose. This usually happens pretty constantly for one

day and then will stop and won't return for another week or two. She

is very regressed and non-responsive on that day. I wanted to see if

others had seen this in their children. If so, have you heard any

explanation? ?

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Sheri -

Is she very unresponsive during that time too?

And - is she, like, completely spaced out (that's the impression I got),

or will she go about normally some of the day?  I was imagining her going

" zombie " when this is happening ...

My youngest - when he is " off " , lets his mouth hang open kind of slack jawed

when he's staring at the TV, but he can snap out of it...

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Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 10:20 PM

Our daughter has had this weird symptom periodically of her mouth being

open and her jaw loose. This usually happens pretty constantly for one

day and then will stop and won't return for another week or two. She

is very regressed and non-responsive on that day. I wanted to see if

others had seen this in their children. If so, have you heard any

explanation? ?

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>Just another thought. For the longest time we notice our son would

drop his jaw when something was physically hard for him. We always

chalked it up to his very low tone and poor coordination. But what we

have recently found out, his very poor posture is causing him to

breathe in a not so natural position and this is part of the result of

this. He always had a high rib cage like that of an infant and his

muscles were never strong enough to pull the ribs down into position.

Well, the internal organs therefor do not go down into a good position

causing my son to be in a fight or flight breathing pattern and then

totally fatigued once he can sit and just rest (regualtion). I have

started to see whats called a manual therapist for respiration and she

said his jaw goes into this position because he is trying in an

unconscience way to keep himself regulated.. Well, I have onle see this

therapist 6 times and his ribs are finally being pulled down, he does

not drule, and he can actuelly move his body around pretty well with

the jaw dropping open.

> Our daughter has had this weird symptom periodically of her mouth

being

> open and her jaw loose. This usually happens pretty constantly for

one

> day and then will stop and won't return for another week or two.

She

> is very regressed and non-responsive on that day. I wanted to see if

> others had seen this in their children. If so, have you heard any

> explanation??

>

>

>

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I would say she is very spaced out. She is moving around but not really

doing or saying much. She does not snap out it for that day or period

of time. She will close her mouth for several seconds periodically and

then it will fall open again. Seems very low energy and unhappy on

these days as well like she is not feeling well. A lot of screaming and

biting. My husband noticed on one of these days that she had an

increase in facial grimacing (not sure about the other days as I didn't

pay attention to that). He described the slack jaw as looking like a

panting dog.

wrote:

> Sheri -

> Is she very unresponsive during that time too?

> And - is she, like, completely spaced out (that's the

> impression I got), or will she go about normally some of the day? I

> was imagining her going " zombie " when this is happening ...

> My youngest - when he is " off " , lets his mouth hang open kind of slack

> jawed when he's staring at the TV, but he can snap out of it...

>

>

> mouth hanging open

> groups (DOT) com

> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 10:20 PM

>

> Our daughter has had this weird symptom periodically of her mouth being

> open and her jaw loose. This usually happens pretty constantly for one

> day and then will stop and won't return for another week or two. She

> is very regressed and non-responsive on that day. I wanted to see if

> others had seen this in their children. If so, have you heard any

> explanation? ?

>

>

>

>

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She is starting into space.  We can bring her out of it by telling her to close

her mouth.  She might catch herself in a few moments with her mouth hanging open

again.  I have even seen her close her mouth with her hands as if the jaw didn't

want to close.  I just though she was mimicking me because in the beginning I

would push up on her chin to show her what I wanted.  Sheri

From: Caroline <carriepspobox (DOT) com>

Subject: mouth hanging open

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Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 10:20 PM

Our daughter has had this weird symptom periodically of her mouth being

open and her jaw loose. This usually happens pretty constantly for one

day and then will stop and won't return for another week or two. She

is very regressed and non-responsive on that day. I wanted to see if

others had seen this in their children. If so, have you heard any

explanation? ?

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Has your daughter had an EEG? My little girl has absent siezures and

spaces out often and her mouth will often be open during the

siezures. She can have up to 50 siezures a day when not treated with

medication. It can often be over looked with children who have

autism. She is now taking medication and is improving.

>

> From: Caroline <carriepspobox (DOT) com>

> Subject: mouth hanging open

> groups (DOT) com

> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 10:20 PM

>

> Our daughter has had this weird symptom periodically of her mouth

being

> open and her jaw loose. This usually happens pretty constantly for

one

> day and then will stop and won't return for another week or two.

She

> is very regressed and non-responsive on that day. I wanted to see

if

> others had seen this in their children. If so, have you heard any

> explanation? ?

>

>

>

>

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This sounds very similar to my son Noah. His jaw would be slack and he would

drool. He's been diagnosed with absence seizures and is on Zarontin, but the

symptoms never went completely away until about 3 months into protocol.

We've actually been able to reduce his anti-seizure med and the symptoms didn't

come back. At some point, we're hoping to take him off them completely.

 

HTH,

 

Robyn

From: Caroline <carriepspobox (DOT) com>

Subject: mouth hanging open

groups (DOT) com

Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 10:20 PM

Our daughter has had this weird symptom periodically of her mouth being

open and her jaw loose. This usually happens pretty constantly for one

day and then will stop and won't return for another week or two. She

is very regressed and non-responsive on that day. I wanted to see if

others had seen this in their children. If so, have you heard any

explanation? ?

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Our daughter has had two sleep deprived short EEG's where she never fell

asleep. They both came back normal but we are wondered if they just

didn't capture something because they were so short. We are trying to

get a longer EEG. Have you only done the short one?

\heatherloganhomes wrote:

>

> Has your daughter had an EEG? My little girl has absent siezures and

> spaces out often and her mouth will often be open during the

> siezures. She can have up to 50 siezures a day when not treated with

> medication. It can often be over looked with children who have

> autism. She is now taking medication and is improving.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > From: Caroline <carriepspobox (DOT) com>

> > Subject: mouth hanging open

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 10:20 PM

> >

> > Our daughter has had this weird symptom periodically of her mouth

> being

> > open and her jaw loose. This usually happens pretty constantly for

> one

> > day and then will stop and won't return for another week or two.

> She

> > is very regressed and non-responsive on that day. I wanted to see

> if

> > others had seen this in their children. If so, have you heard any

> > explanation? ?

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I just wanted to throw in that when some kids are really congested (stopped

up noses), they might breathe through their mouths. It sounds like more

than that with your daughter, but just in case, I thought I¹d mention it.

I don¹t know what meds she¹s on, but if she¹s on some, is it possible that

one of them is causing this behavior?

Could she have a sore throat? Tonsils or adenoids swollen?

Could it be an indication of low muscle tone?

I hope that you can figure it out soon.

In the case of low tone and/or decrease awareness in and around her mouth,

it might be something that a speech therapist could help address with

exercises and oral stimulation.

Caroline G.

From: Caroline <carrieps@...>

Reply-< >

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:08:18 -0700

< >

Subject: Re: Re: mouth hanging open

,

Our daughter has had two sleep deprived short EEG's where she never fell

asleep. They both came back normal but we are wondered if they just

didn't capture something because they were so short. We are trying to

get a longer EEG. Have you only done the short one?

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No she has not have an EEG.  Her eyes use to roll back in her head when she was

stressed.  When we told her to knock it off she did.  Once she did this at her

regular pediatrician and I asked her if she though it could possibly be a

seizure and she said no because she didn't continue after we told her to stop. 

I am still not convinced.  Sheri

>

> Has your daughter had an EEG? My little girl has absent siezures and

> spaces out often and her mouth will often be open during the

> siezures. She can have up to 50 siezures a day when not treated with

> medication. It can often be over looked with children who have

> autism. She is now taking medication and is improving.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > From: Caroline <carriepspobox (DOT) com>

> > Subject: mouth hanging open

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 10:20 PM

> >

> > Our daughter has had this weird symptom periodically of her mouth

> being

> > open and her jaw loose. This usually happens pretty constantly for

> one

> > day and then will stop and won't return for another week or two.

> She

> > is very regressed and non-responsive on that day. I wanted to see

> if

> > others had seen this in their children. If so, have you heard any

> > explanation? ?

> >

> >

> >

> >

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My daughter is pretty unresponsive during her seizures. We can call

her name and pull her hair with no response. They only last a few

seconds. Some people report them lasting up to two minutes. We did

the short eeg and they gave her something to put her to sleep. It

was pretty clear that her eeg was very abnormal. Some places have an

in home eeg. They set the kid up in the office and then you go home

and record any seizures for 24 hours. If you think that she might be

having seizures you should investigate futher. It's important to get

her on medication. I can only imagine someone turning out the light

all day long. It must make your world very unpredictable.

-- In , Sheri <eszbi5@...> wrote:

>

> No she has not have an EEG.  Her eyes use to roll back in her head

when she was stressed.  When we told her to knock it off she did. 

Once she did this at her regular pediatrician and I asked her if she

though it could possibly be a seizure and she said no because she

didn't continue after we told her to stop.  I am still not

convinced.  Sheri

>

>

>

> >

> > Has your daughter had an EEG? My little girl has absent siezures

and

> > spaces out often and her mouth will often be open during the

> > siezures. She can have up to 50 siezures a day when not treated

with

> > medication. It can often be over looked with children who have

> > autism. She is now taking medication and is improving.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > From: <thecolemans4@ ...>

> > > Subject: Re: mouth hanging open

> > > groups (DOT) com <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 10:34 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sheri -

> > > Is she very unresponsive during that time too?

> > > And - is she, like, completely spaced out (that's the

> > impression I got), or will she go about normally some of the

day? I

> > was imagining her going " zombie " when this is happening ...

> > > My youngest - when he is " off " , lets his mouth hang open kind

of

> > slack jawed when he's staring at the TV, but he can snap out of

it...

> > >

> > >

> > > mouth hanging open

> > > groups (DOT) com

> > > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 10:20 PM

> > >

> > > Our daughter has had this weird symptom periodically of her

mouth

> > being

> > > open and her jaw loose. This usually happens pretty constantly

for

> > one

> > > day and then will stop and won't return for another week or

two.

> > She

> > > is very regressed and non-responsive on that day. I wanted to

see

> > if

> > > others had seen this in their children. If so, have you heard

any

> > > explanation? ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Caroline,

Thanks for your response. She is on the protocol so she is on

those medications though I don't think it started after starting those

meds. She does have low tone and decreased awareness around her mouth

so that would make sense except I don't understand why it will happen

only on one day in a week or so and then barely at all the rest of the time.

Caroline Glover wrote:

> ,

>

> I just wanted to throw in that when some kids are really congested

> (stopped

> up noses), they might breathe through their mouths. It sounds like more

> than that with your daughter, but just in case, I thought I¹d mention it.

>

> I don¹t know what meds she¹s on, but if she¹s on some, is it possible that

> one of them is causing this behavior?

>

> Could she have a sore throat? Tonsils or adenoids swollen?

>

> Could it be an indication of low muscle tone?

>

> I hope that you can figure it out soon.

>

> In the case of low tone and/or decrease awareness in and around her mouth,

> it might be something that a speech therapist could help address with

> exercises and oral stimulation.

>

> Caroline G.

>

> From: Caroline <carrieps@... <mailto:carrieps%40pobox.com>>

> Reply-< <mailto:%40>>

> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:08:18 -0700

> < <mailto:%40>>

> Subject: Re: Re: mouth hanging open

>

> ,

>

> Our daughter has had two sleep deprived short EEG's where she never fell

> asleep. They both came back normal but we are wondered if they just

> didn't capture something because they were so short. We are trying to

> get a longer EEG. Have you only done the short one?

>

>

>

>

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