Guest guest Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Do you have an appt with Dr. Goldberg? Sincerely Noel From: dimcgowen22 <dimcgowen22@...> Subject: Hi, new to the group...1st post Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:19 AM Hi all. My name is . I am a 35yo sahm of 2. I joined this group for my 31/2 year old son Devyn. I also have a 12 month old that was born prematurely and has developmental delays as well. My husband is a hospital corpsman in the Navy and is currently deployed. I found this group through research I am doing to help Devyn. I am so lost. I have had him tested through the school district. The ADOS (austim diagnostic observation test) was inconclusive. They diagnosed him as sig language delayed, but it was the end of the school year so there were no services offered. I worked with him really hard through the summer and now that services have started they see a lot of improvement and say " he doesn't seem autistic " . Over the summer I got him 2 sessions of neurofeedback and that helped tremendously with his bowel movements. In the past, without his homeopathic spray, he would not go for 4-5 days. Now, he goes every day, sometimes twice or more, without the use of any aids. But he is showing increased aggression. I tried to get him involved in gymnastics and karate this week but we got kicked out of both. I called another gymnastics gym and spoke with the manager and she agreed to allow him into the younger class because of his delays. We will see how that goes next week. I have him on 3600 mg of omega 3 everyday and I am beginning a few other supplements that I have been researching such as GABA, NAC, L-Theanine and Bach Flower remedies. An Early Start Coordinator was at my house the other day to test my younger son and we discussed Devyn. She watched Devyn interact with me and agreed that he is confusing. He does give eye contact, he is sociable and friendly but she agreed something is not right. It's like he's in his own world sometimes. Sometimes he will answer me and interact sometimes he is in what we call " Devynland " . He also intermittenly does this self-stimulatory act of twirling his hands and he has a new fear of water. Some times I get so frustrated because I don't know what of his actions are disciplinary and what are his delay. He also has extreme sensory issues. He can't stand things to touch him. If his juice spills he says he needs a wipe. He can't stand to watch his brother eat because the sight of it makes him gag. I have a lot of trouble with his nutrition because he won't eat! There are 2-3 things I can get him to eat and if its not those things he will starve himself. He never expresses hunger. He is very OCD, lining things up and cleaning his toys. He has a lot of changes this past year. The birth of his brother was very traumatic. His father had just gotten home from 6 months in Iraq and 2 weeks later his brother was born, but under extreme circumstances, I had to go live in the Mc House to be near him while he was in the NICU for 2 1/2 months. So my son lost me during that time and then when I got back, I brought home a sick baby. Then 8 months later my husband left again. We went to OK to visit my inlaws, that way he could be around more family and I could get some help. Now we are in CA with my family. I think this is all too much for him. I think he might be experiencing some sort of PTSD. Wow, this is all just pouring out. Obviously, I am frustrated and seeking help. I printed the list of tests Dr. Goldberg recommends. Any idea how to get my ped to order them? Thank you for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Hi , I'm sorry that you are going through all of this and hope you will get some help. The school district tests are not designed for younger kids and most times miss important problems and diagnoses a child may have. Also, on a more sinister front, sometimes they don't like to come up with anything conclusive and intentionally leave things inconclusive because they don't want to pay. Early intervention is key!!! In my experience, you're son does not need to be diagnosed with autism to get services. But you need to be on it and be his advocate, or get one. My son was never officially diagnosed with autism through the school district, but I had him re-evaluated through our regional center. He tested on the autism spectrum, according to the regional center, but the school district has never changed their diagnosis from developmental delay. It has been very difficult to get services because my son did not have all his problems at once...it started out as a moderate speech delay and then sensory stuff starting happening, then down the road the lining up of his toys, cars, etc. and the repetitive opening and closing of doors and the turning on and off of lights. It was all very ocd. I suggest calling for an IEP ASAP as they take time and make an appointment with the regional center if you have one. Tell them you are very concerned and make it sound as bad as can be...picture his worst day with you so they will get you in. After 3, it is harder to get in with the regional center. For his IEP, make sure he is getting at least 2 hours if not more of a NPA (non public agency) speech, that means not someone at the school district but an outside agency, and you need behavioral support and Ot-occupational therapy to address his vast sensory issues. They will not get better on their own, your son needs help and the sensory can be what is driving the behavioral issues. What if he can't tell you that noise hurts his ears or touch feels like fire on his skin, he will act out. When you call for the IEP you say you want your son to be evaluated for sensory integration issues and you can describe them and he needs help, he needs occupational therapy along with other behavioral support. There is a window of time in which services and diet and other therapies will work better with the developing brain. You need to get services while his brain is still pliable and moldable. You tell them that and that you are very big on early intervention. Do not let them go without giving you son the necessary services...if you let them, they will. You need to fight for your son. You don't have to be a bitch, but you have to be your son's advocate, researcher, mother, therapist. It is not okay to not offer services when a child is clearly in need and I hear this all the time and it makes me sick. But they have to cut costs somewhere so if you don't complain, then you don't get services. Get in there now while you can get you son talking and figure out what is going on in his little body. Maybe he's not autistic, that's subjective given the time of day, who evaluated him, how he was feeling...my son aced every evaluation because he is sweet, smart and had a good demeanor. I'm not an expert just a mom who got services for my son that were previously denied. I will help you in any way I can. Feel free to email me for my number. If you need a little pep talk I can do that too. You have your plate full and I'm here to help if you need me. Lastly, there are developmental pediatricians that evaluate the whole child; social, emotional and physical. And, there are consultants that you can meet with that help figure out what services to get and how to get organized for your IEP. Some will even go with you for a fee. It depends if you feel you can do it alone or not. If not it's okay. My lawyer has a son with autism and she fights for many many people; but she herself can't go to the IEP's alone because she just loses it. She is a mom first and foremost and this is an emotional journey. Be strong and pray and when you are weak the Lord is strong. He has gotten me through many IEP's. I have never had a lawyer or anyone go with me. Just me and the Lord. Hope this makes sense. I was typing so fast in order to get back to you. Good luck and let me know if you need any further assistance. xo dawn PLEASE NOTE THAT MY EMAIL ADDRESS HAS CHANGED TO... dawndolan@... Hi, new to the group...1st post Hi all. My name is . I am a 35yo sahm of 2. I joined this group for my 31/2 year old son Devyn. I also have a 12 month old that was born prematurely and has developmental delays as well. My husband is a hospital corpsman in the Navy and is currently deployed. I found this group through research I am doing to help Devyn. I am so lost. I have had him tested through the school district. The ADOS (austim diagnostic observation test) was inconclusive. They diagnosed him as sig language delayed, but it was the end of the school year so there were no services offered. I worked with him really hard through the summer and now that services have started they see a lot of improvement and say " he doesn't seem autistic " . Over the summer I got him 2 sessions of neurofeedback and that helped tremendously with his bowel movements. In the past, without his homeopathic spray, he would not go for 4-5 days. Now, he goes every day, sometimes twice or more, without the use of any aids. But he is showing increased aggression. I tried to get him involved in gymnastics and karate this week but we got kicked out of both. I called another gymnastics gym and spoke with the manager and she agreed to allow him into the younger class because of his delays. We will see how that goes next week. I have him on 3600 mg of omega 3 everyday and I am beginning a few other supplements that I have been researching such as GABA, NAC, L-Theanine and Bach Flower remedies. An Early Start Coordinator was at my house the other day to test my younger son and we discussed Devyn. She watched Devyn interact with me and agreed that he is confusing. He does give eye contact, he is sociable and friendly but she agreed something is not right. It's like he's in his own world sometimes. Sometimes he will answer me and interact sometimes he is in what we call " Devynland " . He also intermittenly does this self-stimulatory act of twirling his hands and he has a new fear of water. Some times I get so frustrated because I don't know what of his actions are disciplinary and what are his delay. He also has extreme sensory issues. He can't stand things to touch him. If his juice spills he says he needs a wipe. He can't stand to watch his brother eat because the sight of it makes him gag. I have a lot of trouble with his nutrition because he won't eat! There are 2-3 things I can get him to eat and if its not those things he will starve himself. He never expresses hunger. He is very OCD, lining things up and cleaning his toys. He has a lot of changes this past year. The birth of his brother was very traumatic. His father had just gotten home from 6 months in Iraq and 2 weeks later his brother was born, but under extreme circumstances, I had to go live in the Mc House to be near him while he was in the NICU for 2 1/2 months. So my son lost me during that time and then when I got back, I brought home a sick baby. Then 8 months later my husband left again. We went to OK to visit my inlaws, that way he could be around more family and I could get some help. Now we are in CA with my family. I think this is all too much for him. I think he might be experiencing some sort of PTSD. Wow, this is all just pouring out. Obviously, I am frustrated and seeking help. I printed the list of tests Dr. Goldberg recommends. Any idea how to get my ped to order them? Thank you for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Hi , Welcome to this list. My twins were born @ 26 weeks, so I understand a bit about prematurity (and living in a Mc house)). It sounds like you have found some really good things for your son (working with him, a la Floortime, for example, and also early intervention). I love Dr. G's protocol because he is methodical about testing, then treating per the tests. I, too, have tried things on my own, things that have worked for other people, but it's really hard to know what for sure works and what is making things worse (i.e. creating aggression). If nothing else, i.e. you don't end up working with Dr. G, please find a practitioner that you do trust, that has a 'proven track record' and get their help with any biomed that you do for your child(ren). Where do you live now? Kristy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of dimcgowen22 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:20 AM Subject: Hi, new to the group...1st post Hi all. My name is . I am a 35yo sahm of 2. I joined this group for my 31/2 year old son Devyn. I also have a 12 month old that was born prematurely and has developmental delays as well. My husband is a hospital corpsman in the Navy and is currently deployed. I found this group through research I am doing to help Devyn. I am so lost. I have had him tested through the school district. The ADOS (austim diagnostic observation test) was inconclusive. They diagnosed him as sig language delayed, but it was the end of the school year so there were no services offered. I worked with him really hard through the summer and now that services have started they see a lot of improvement and say " he doesn't seem autistic " . Over the summer I got him 2 sessions of neurofeedback and that helped tremendously with his bowel movements. In the past, without his homeopathic spray, he would not go for 4-5 days. Now, he goes every day, sometimes twice or more, without the use of any aids. But he is showing increased aggression. I tried to get him involved in gymnastics and karate this week but we got kicked out of both. I called another gymnastics gym and spoke with the manager and she agreed to allow him into the younger class because of his delays. We will see how that goes next week. I have him on 3600 mg of omega 3 everyday and I am beginning a few other supplements that I have been researching such as GABA, NAC, L-Theanine and Bach Flower remedies. An Early Start Coordinator was at my house the other day to test my younger son and we discussed Devyn. She watched Devyn interact with me and agreed that he is confusing. He does give eye contact, he is sociable and friendly but she agreed something is not right. It's like he's in his own world sometimes. Sometimes he will answer me and interact sometimes he is in what we call " Devynland " . He also intermittenly does this self-stimulatory act of twirling his hands and he has a new fear of water. Some times I get so frustrated because I don't know what of his actions are disciplinary and what are his delay. He also has extreme sensory issues. He can't stand things to touch him. If his juice spills he says he needs a wipe. He can't stand to watch his brother eat because the sight of it makes him gag. I have a lot of trouble with his nutrition because he won't eat! There are 2-3 things I can get him to eat and if its not those things he will starve himself. He never expresses hunger. He is very OCD, lining things up and cleaning his toys. He has a lot of changes this past year. The birth of his brother was very traumatic. His father had just gotten home from 6 months in Iraq and 2 weeks later his brother was born, but under extreme circumstances, I had to go live in the Mc House to be near him while he was in the NICU for 2 1/2 months. So my son lost me during that time and then when I got back, I brought home a sick baby. Then 8 months later my husband left again. We went to OK to visit my inlaws, that way he could be around more family and I could get some help. Now we are in CA with my family. I think this is all too much for him. I think he might be experiencing some sort of PTSD. Wow, this is all just pouring out. Obviously, I am frustrated and seeking help. I printed the list of tests Dr. Goldberg recommends. Any idea how to get my ped to order them? Thank you for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 No, I just found him. Where is he located? Do you know if he is as expensive as Dr. Ramin? (I believe he is 3500 for the consultation and MRI) From: dimcgowen22 <dimcgowen22> Subject: Hi, new to the group...1st post groups (DOT) com Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:19 AM Hi all. My name is . I am a 35yo sahm of 2. I joined this group for my 31/2 year old son Devyn. I also have a 12 month old that was born prematurely and has developmental delays as well. My husband is a hospital corpsman in the Navy and is currently deployed. I found this group through research I am doing to help Devyn. I am so lost. I have had him tested through the school district. The ADOS (austim diagnostic observation test) was inconclusive. They diagnosed him as sig language delayed, but it was the end of the school year so there were no services offered. I worked with him really hard through the summer and now that services have started they see a lot of improvement and say " he doesn't seem autistic " . Over the summer I got him 2 sessions of neurofeedback and that helped tremendously with his bowel movements. In the past, without his homeopathic spray, he would not go for 4-5 days. Now, he goes every day, sometimes twice or more, without the use of any aids. But he is showing increased aggression. I tried to get him involved in gymnastics and karate this week but we got kicked out of both. I called another gymnastics gym and spoke with the manager and she agreed to allow him into the younger class because of his delays. We will see how that goes next week. I have him on 3600 mg of omega 3 everyday and I am beginning a few other supplements that I have been researching such as GABA, NAC, L-Theanine and Bach Flower remedies. An Early Start Coordinator was at my house the other day to test my younger son and we discussed Devyn. She watched Devyn interact with me and agreed that he is confusing. He does give eye contact, he is sociable and friendly but she agreed something is not right. It's like he's in his own world sometimes. Sometimes he will answer me and interact sometimes he is in what we call " Devynland " . He also intermittenly does this self-stimulatory act of twirling his hands and he has a new fear of water. Some times I get so frustrated because I don't know what of his actions are disciplinary and what are his delay. He also has extreme sensory issues. He can't stand things to touch him. If his juice spills he says he needs a wipe. He can't stand to watch his brother eat because the sight of it makes him gag. I have a lot of trouble with his nutrition because he won't eat! There are 2-3 things I can get him to eat and if its not those things he will starve himself. He never expresses hunger. He is very OCD, lining things up and cleaning his toys. He has a lot of changes this past year. The birth of his brother was very traumatic. His father had just gotten home from 6 months in Iraq and 2 weeks later his brother was born, but under extreme circumstances, I had to go live in the Mc House to be near him while he was in the NICU for 2 1/2 months. So my son lost me during that time and then when I got back, I brought home a sick baby. Then 8 months later my husband left again. We went to OK to visit my inlaws, that way he could be around more family and I could get some help. Now we are in CA with my family. I think this is all too much for him. I think he might be experiencing some sort of PTSD. Wow, this is all just pouring out. Obviously, I am frustrated and seeking help. I printed the list of tests Dr. Goldberg recommends. Any idea how to get my ped to order them? Thank you for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 I am in San Diego. Where are you? Have you worked with Dr. G? Is he expensive? From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@...> Subject: RE: Hi, new to the group...1st post Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 8:11 PM Hi , Welcome to this list. My twins were born @ 26 weeks, so I understand a bit about prematurity (and living in a Mc house)). It sounds like you have found some really good things for your son (working with him, a la Floortime, for example, and also early intervention) . I love Dr. G's protocol because he is methodical about testing, then treating per the tests. I, too, have tried things on my own, things that have worked for other people, but it's really hard to know what for sure works and what is making things worse (i.e. creating aggression). If nothing else, i.e. you don't end up working with Dr. G, please find a practitioner that you do trust, that has a 'proven track record' and get their help with any biomed that you do for your child(ren). Where do you live now? Kristy From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of dimcgowen22 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:20 AM groups (DOT) com Subject: Hi, new to the group...1st post Hi all. My name is . I am a 35yo sahm of 2. I joined this group for my 31/2 year old son Devyn. I also have a 12 month old that was born prematurely and has developmental delays as well. My husband is a hospital corpsman in the Navy and is currently deployed. I found this group through research I am doing to help Devyn. I am so lost. I have had him tested through the school district. The ADOS (austim diagnostic observation test) was inconclusive. They diagnosed him as sig language delayed, but it was the end of the school year so there were no services offered. I worked with him really hard through the summer and now that services have started they see a lot of improvement and say " he doesn't seem autistic " . Over the summer I got him 2 sessions of neurofeedback and that helped tremendously with his bowel movements. In the past, without his homeopathic spray, he would not go for 4-5 days. Now, he goes every day, sometimes twice or more, without the use of any aids. But he is showing increased aggression. I tried to get him involved in gymnastics and karate this week but we got kicked out of both. I called another gymnastics gym and spoke with the manager and she agreed to allow him into the younger class because of his delays. We will see how that goes next week. I have him on 3600 mg of omega 3 everyday and I am beginning a few other supplements that I have been researching such as GABA, NAC, L-Theanine and Bach Flower remedies. An Early Start Coordinator was at my house the other day to test my younger son and we discussed Devyn. She watched Devyn interact with me and agreed that he is confusing. He does give eye contact, he is sociable and friendly but she agreed something is not right. It's like he's in his own world sometimes. Sometimes he will answer me and interact sometimes he is in what we call " Devynland " . He also intermittenly does this self-stimulatory act of twirling his hands and he has a new fear of water. Some times I get so frustrated because I don't know what of his actions are disciplinary and what are his delay. He also has extreme sensory issues. He can't stand things to touch him. If his juice spills he says he needs a wipe. He can't stand to watch his brother eat because the sight of it makes him gag. I have a lot of trouble with his nutrition because he won't eat! There are 2-3 things I can get him to eat and if its not those things he will starve himself. He never expresses hunger. He is very OCD, lining things up and cleaning his toys. He has a lot of changes this past year. The birth of his brother was very traumatic. His father had just gotten home from 6 months in Iraq and 2 weeks later his brother was born, but under extreme circumstances, I had to go live in the Mc House to be near him while he was in the NICU for 2 1/2 months. So my son lost me during that time and then when I got back, I brought home a sick baby. Then 8 months later my husband left again. We went to OK to visit my inlaws, that way he could be around more family and I could get some help. Now we are in CA with my family. I think this is all too much for him. I think he might be experiencing some sort of PTSD. Wow, this is all just pouring out. Obviously, I am frustrated and seeking help. I printed the list of tests Dr. Goldberg recommends. Any idea how to get my ped to order them? Thank you for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Dear Dawn, Thank you for your response. This is all so confusing, overwhelming and stressful. I appreciate your concern. Devyn has an IEP, but I disagree with the treatment recommended. They only authorized him 30 mins once a week of speech therapy. I am currently trying to fight that. I have an appt next week with his new ped. She is an OD who has a partner who is focusing on ADHD, Autism, spectrum disorders, etc. I hope that these new doctors will offer new hope. It sounds like our sons are similar. Devyn loves doctors and when he meets new people he is calm and friendly. The first thing they say is he seems " normal " . I have to keep reiterating his sensory and self stim concerns I have. Sometimes I feel like I am overreacting and exaggerating, but then when I get him home and at breakfast he freaks out because he has a splash of milk on him, I remember we need help. Thanks for the term sensory integration, I will look that up next. Any other advice you have is more than welcome. I am a sponge, trying to absorb it all in. Have you been to seen Dr. G? Thanks, From: Dawn Dolan <dawndolan@...> Subject: Re: Hi, new to the group...1st post Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 7:22 PM Hi , I'm sorry that you are going through all of this and hope you will get some help. The school district tests are not designed for younger kids and most times miss important problems and diagnoses a child may have. Also, on a more sinister front, sometimes they don't like to come up with anything conclusive and intentionally leave things inconclusive because they don't want to pay. Early intervention is key!!! In my experience, you're son does not need to be diagnosed with autism to get services. But you need to be on it and be his advocate, or get one. My son was never officially diagnosed with autism through the school district, but I had him re-evaluated through our regional center. He tested on the autism spectrum, according to the regional center, but the school district has never changed their diagnosis from developmental delay. It has been very difficult to get services because my son did not have all his problems at once...it started out as a moderate speech delay and then sensory stuff starting happening, then down the road the lining up of his toys, cars, etc. and the repetitive opening and closing of doors and the turning on and off of lights. It was all very ocd. I suggest calling for an IEP ASAP as they take time and make an appointment with the regional center if you have one. Tell them you are very concerned and make it sound as bad as can be...picture his worst day with you so they will get you in. After 3, it is harder to get in with the regional center. For his IEP, make sure he is getting at least 2 hours if not more of a NPA (non public agency) speech, that means not someone at the school district but an outside agency, and you need behavioral support and Ot-occupational therapy to address his vast sensory issues. They will not get better on their own, your son needs help and the sensory can be what is driving the behavioral issues. What if he can't tell you that noise hurts his ears or touch feels like fire on his skin, he will act out. When you call for the IEP you say you want your son to be evaluated for sensory integration issues and you can describe them and he needs help, he needs occupational therapy along with other behavioral support. There is a window of time in which services and diet and other therapies will work better with the developing brain. You need to get services while his brain is still pliable and moldable. You tell them that and that you are very big on early intervention. Do not let them go without giving you son the necessary services...if you let them, they will. You need to fight for your son. You don't have to be a bitch, but you have to be your son's advocate, researcher, mother, therapist. It is not okay to not offer services when a child is clearly in need and I hear this all the time and it makes me sick. But they have to cut costs somewhere so if you don't complain, then you don't get services. Get in there now while you can get you son talking and figure out what is going on in his little body. Maybe he's not autistic, that's subjective given the time of day, who evaluated him, how he was feeling...my son aced every evaluation because he is sweet, smart and had a good demeanor. I'm not an expert just a mom who got services for my son that were previously denied. I will help you in any way I can. Feel free to email me for my number. If you need a little pep talk I can do that too. You have your plate full and I'm here to help if you need me. Lastly, there are developmental pediatricians that evaluate the whole child; social, emotional and physical. And, there are consultants that you can meet with that help figure out what services to get and how to get organized for your IEP. Some will even go with you for a fee. It depends if you feel you can do it alone or not. If not it's okay. My lawyer has a son with autism and she fights for many many people; but she herself can't go to the IEP's alone because she just loses it. She is a mom first and foremost and this is an emotional journey. Be strong and pray and when you are weak the Lord is strong. He has gotten me through many IEP's. I have never had a lawyer or anyone go with me. Just me and the Lord. Hope this makes sense. I was typing so fast in order to get back to you. Good luck and let me know if you need any further assistance. xo dawn PLEASE NOTE THAT MY EMAIL ADDRESS HAS CHANGED TO... dawndolan (DOT) com Hi, new to the group...1st post Hi all. My name is . I am a 35yo sahm of 2. I joined this group for my 31/2 year old son Devyn. I also have a 12 month old that was born prematurely and has developmental delays as well. My husband is a hospital corpsman in the Navy and is currently deployed. I found this group through research I am doing to help Devyn. I am so lost. I have had him tested through the school district. The ADOS (austim diagnostic observation test) was inconclusive. They diagnosed him as sig language delayed, but it was the end of the school year so there were no services offered. I worked with him really hard through the summer and now that services have started they see a lot of improvement and say " he doesn't seem autistic " . Over the summer I got him 2 sessions of neurofeedback and that helped tremendously with his bowel movements. In the past, without his homeopathic spray, he would not go for 4-5 days. Now, he goes every day, sometimes twice or more, without the use of any aids. But he is showing increased aggression. I tried to get him involved in gymnastics and karate this week but we got kicked out of both. I called another gymnastics gym and spoke with the manager and she agreed to allow him into the younger class because of his delays. We will see how that goes next week. I have him on 3600 mg of omega 3 everyday and I am beginning a few other supplements that I have been researching such as GABA, NAC, L-Theanine and Bach Flower remedies. An Early Start Coordinator was at my house the other day to test my younger son and we discussed Devyn. She watched Devyn interact with me and agreed that he is confusing. He does give eye contact, he is sociable and friendly but she agreed something is not right. It's like he's in his own world sometimes. Sometimes he will answer me and interact sometimes he is in what we call " Devynland " . He also intermittenly does this self-stimulatory act of twirling his hands and he has a new fear of water. Some times I get so frustrated because I don't know what of his actions are disciplinary and what are his delay. He also has extreme sensory issues. He can't stand things to touch him. If his juice spills he says he needs a wipe. He can't stand to watch his brother eat because the sight of it makes him gag. I have a lot of trouble with his nutrition because he won't eat! There are 2-3 things I can get him to eat and if its not those things he will starve himself. He never expresses hunger. He is very OCD, lining things up and cleaning his toys. He has a lot of changes this past year. The birth of his brother was very traumatic. His father had just gotten home from 6 months in Iraq and 2 weeks later his brother was born, but under extreme circumstances, I had to go live in the Mc House to be near him while he was in the NICU for 2 1/2 months. So my son lost me during that time and then when I got back, I brought home a sick baby. Then 8 months later my husband left again. We went to OK to visit my inlaws, that way he could be around more family and I could get some help. Now we are in CA with my family. I think this is all too much for him. I think he might be experiencing some sort of PTSD. Wow, this is all just pouring out. Obviously, I am frustrated and seeking help. I printed the list of tests Dr. Goldberg recommends. Any idea how to get my ped to order them? Thank you for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 We have worked with Dr. G for two years. He is not nearly as expensive as most 'experts', but I feel he has been extraordinarily beneficial for my son. He does not take insurance, but his staff provide me with a superbill which I submit and I get reimbursed after our deductibles. The first visit was under $600, if I remember, and subsequent visits are $185, plus prescriptions, but we have insurance that covers most of the prescriptions. Overall, I feel he has been less costly than many other avenues, but he is the most effective for my son. We are in Solana Beach. Where are you? Kristy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of McGowen Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: RE: Hi, new to the group...1st post I am in San Diego. Where are you? Have you worked with Dr. G? Is he expensive? From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@... <mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com> > Subject: RE: Hi, new to the group...1st post <mailto:%40> Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 8:11 PM Hi , Welcome to this list. My twins were born @ 26 weeks, so I understand a bit about prematurity (and living in a Mc house)). It sounds like you have found some really good things for your son (working with him, a la Floortime, for example, and also early intervention) . I love Dr. G's protocol because he is methodical about testing, then treating per the tests. I, too, have tried things on my own, things that have worked for other people, but it's really hard to know what for sure works and what is making things worse (i.e. creating aggression). If nothing else, i.e. you don't end up working with Dr. G, please find a practitioner that you do trust, that has a 'proven track record' and get their help with any biomed that you do for your child(ren). Where do you live now? Kristy From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of dimcgowen22 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:20 AM groups (DOT) com Subject: Hi, new to the group...1st post Hi all. My name is . I am a 35yo sahm of 2. I joined this group for my 31/2 year old son Devyn. I also have a 12 month old that was born prematurely and has developmental delays as well. My husband is a hospital corpsman in the Navy and is currently deployed. I found this group through research I am doing to help Devyn. I am so lost. I have had him tested through the school district. The ADOS (austim diagnostic observation test) was inconclusive. They diagnosed him as sig language delayed, but it was the end of the school year so there were no services offered. I worked with him really hard through the summer and now that services have started they see a lot of improvement and say " he doesn't seem autistic " . Over the summer I got him 2 sessions of neurofeedback and that helped tremendously with his bowel movements. In the past, without his homeopathic spray, he would not go for 4-5 days. Now, he goes every day, sometimes twice or more, without the use of any aids. But he is showing increased aggression. I tried to get him involved in gymnastics and karate this week but we got kicked out of both. I called another gymnastics gym and spoke with the manager and she agreed to allow him into the younger class because of his delays. We will see how that goes next week. I have him on 3600 mg of omega 3 everyday and I am beginning a few other supplements that I have been researching such as GABA, NAC, L-Theanine and Bach Flower remedies. An Early Start Coordinator was at my house the other day to test my younger son and we discussed Devyn. She watched Devyn interact with me and agreed that he is confusing. He does give eye contact, he is sociable and friendly but she agreed something is not right. It's like he's in his own world sometimes. Sometimes he will answer me and interact sometimes he is in what we call " Devynland " . He also intermittenly does this self-stimulatory act of twirling his hands and he has a new fear of water. Some times I get so frustrated because I don't know what of his actions are disciplinary and what are his delay. He also has extreme sensory issues. He can't stand things to touch him. If his juice spills he says he needs a wipe. He can't stand to watch his brother eat because the sight of it makes him gag. I have a lot of trouble with his nutrition because he won't eat! There are 2-3 things I can get him to eat and if its not those things he will starve himself. He never expresses hunger. He is very OCD, lining things up and cleaning his toys. He has a lot of changes this past year. The birth of his brother was very traumatic. His father had just gotten home from 6 months in Iraq and 2 weeks later his brother was born, but under extreme circumstances, I had to go live in the Mc House to be near him while he was in the NICU for 2 1/2 months. So my son lost me during that time and then when I got back, I brought home a sick baby. Then 8 months later my husband left again. We went to OK to visit my inlaws, that way he could be around more family and I could get some help. Now we are in CA with my family. I think this is all too much for him. I think he might be experiencing some sort of PTSD. Wow, this is all just pouring out. Obviously, I am frustrated and seeking help. I printed the list of tests Dr. Goldberg recommends. Any idea how to get my ped to order them? Thank you for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 , seriously, your son is need of an OT. Call an IEP to discuss his sensory needs. I'm also going to send you an rather large e-mail privately. Cheryl ~Visit my webstore for anything you need related to autism - groceries, supps, therapy supplies, books, and more! http://astore.amazon.com/grystai-20 ~Check out my blog: http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com/ On Sep 15, 2008, at 7:18 PM, McGowen wrote: > Dear Dawn, > Thank you for your response. This is all so confusing, > overwhelming and stressful. I appreciate your concern. Devyn has > an IEP, but I disagree with the treatment recommended. They only > authorized him 30 mins once a week of speech therapy. I am > currently trying to fight that. I have an appt next week with his > new ped. She is an OD who has a partner who is focusing on ADHD, > Autism, spectrum disorders, etc. I hope that these new doctors > will offer new hope. It sounds like our sons are similar. Devyn > loves doctors and when he meets new people he is calm and > friendly. The first thing they say is he seems " normal " . I have > to keep reiterating his sensory and self stim concerns I have. > Sometimes I feel like I am overreacting and exaggerating, but then > when I get him home and at breakfast he freaks out because he has a > splash of milk on him, I remember we need help. Thanks for the > term sensory integration, I will look that up next. > Any other advice you have is more than welcome. I am a sponge, > trying to absorb it all in. Have you been to seen Dr. G? > Thanks, > > > > From: Dawn Dolan <dawndolan@...> > Subject: Re: Hi, new to the group...1st post > > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 7:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi , > > > > I'm sorry that you are going through all of this and hope you will > get some help. The school district tests are not designed for > younger kids and most times miss important problems and diagnoses a > child may have. Also, on a more sinister front, sometimes they > don't like to come up with anything conclusive and intentionally > leave things inconclusive because they don't want to pay. Early > intervention is key!!! In my experience, you're son does not need > to be diagnosed with autism to get services. But you need to be on > it and be his advocate, or get one. My son was never officially > diagnosed with autism through the school district, but I had him re- > evaluated through our regional center. He tested on the autism > spectrum, according to the regional center, but the school district > has never changed their diagnosis from developmental delay. It has > been very difficult to get services because my son did not have all > his problems at once...it started out as > > a moderate speech delay and then sensory stuff starting happening, > then down the road the lining up of his toys, cars, etc. and the > repetitive opening and closing of doors and the turning on and off > of lights. It was all very ocd. > > > > I suggest calling for an IEP ASAP as they take time and make an > appointment with the regional center if you have one. Tell them > you are very concerned and make it sound as bad as can be...picture > his worst day with you so they will get you in. After 3, it is > harder to get in with the regional center. > > > > For his IEP, make sure he is getting at least 2 hours if not more > of a NPA (non public agency) speech, that means not someone at the > school district but an outside agency, and you need behavioral > support and Ot-occupational therapy to address his vast sensory > issues. They will not get better on their own, your son needs help > and the sensory can be what is driving the behavioral issues. What > if he can't tell you that noise hurts his ears or touch feels like > fire on his skin, he will act out. When you call for the IEP you > say you want your son to be evaluated for sensory integration > issues and you can describe them and he needs help, he needs > occupational therapy along with other behavioral support. There is > a window of time in which services and diet and other therapies > will work better with the developing brain. You need to get > services while his brain is still pliable and moldable. You tell > them that and that you are very big on early > > intervention. Do not let them go without giving you son the > necessary services...if you let them, they will. You need to fight > for your son. You don't have to be a bitch, but you have to be > your son's advocate, researcher, mother, therapist. It is not okay > to not offer services when a child is clearly in need and I hear > this all the time and it makes me sick. But they have to cut costs > somewhere so if you don't complain, then you don't get services. > > > > Get in there now while you can get you son talking and figure out > what is going on in his little body. Maybe he's not autistic, > that's subjective given the time of day, who evaluated him, how he > was feeling...my son aced every evaluation because he is sweet, > smart and had a good demeanor. I'm not an expert just a mom who > got services for my son that were previously denied. I will help > you in any way I can. Feel free to email me for my number. If you > need a little pep talk I can do that too. You have your plate full > and I'm here to help if you need me. > > > > Lastly, there are developmental pediatricians that evaluate the > whole child; social, emotional and physical. And, there are > consultants that you can meet with that help figure out what > services to get and how to get organized for your IEP. Some will > even go with you for a fee. It depends if you feel you can do it > alone or not. If not it's okay. My lawyer has a son with autism > and she fights for many many people; but she herself can't go to > the IEP's alone because she just loses it. She is a mom first and > foremost and this is an emotional journey. Be strong and pray and > when you are weak the Lord is strong. He has gotten me through > many IEP's. I have never had a lawyer or anyone go with me. Just > me and the Lord. > > > > Hope this makes sense. I was typing so fast in order to get back > to you. > > > > Good luck and let me know if you need any further assistance. > > > > xo > > > > dawn > > > > PLEASE NOTE THAT MY EMAIL ADDRESS HAS CHANGED TO... > > dawndolan (DOT) com > > > > Hi, new to the group...1st post > > > > Hi all. My name is . I am a 35yo sahm of 2. I joined this > > group for my 31/2 year old son Devyn. I also have a 12 month old that > > was born prematurely and has developmental delays as well. My husband > > is a hospital corpsman in the Navy and is currently deployed. I found > > this group through research I am doing to help Devyn. I am so lost. > > I have had him tested through the school district. The ADOS (austim > > diagnostic observation test) was inconclusive. They diagnosed him as > > sig language delayed, but it was the end of the school year so there > > were no services offered. I worked with him really hard through the > > summer and now that services have started they see a lot of > > improvement and say " he doesn't seem autistic " . Over the summer I got > > him 2 sessions of neurofeedback and that helped tremendously with his > > bowel movements. In the past, without his homeopathic spray, he would > > not go for 4-5 days. Now, he goes every day, sometimes twice or more, > > without the use of any aids. But he is showing increased aggression. > > I tried to get him involved in gymnastics and karate this week but we > > got kicked out of both. I called another gymnastics gym and spoke > > with the manager and she agreed to allow him into the younger class > > because of his delays. We will see how that goes next week. I have > > him on 3600 mg of omega 3 everyday and I am beginning a few other > > supplements that I have been researching such as GABA, NAC, L-Theanine > > and Bach Flower remedies. An Early Start Coordinator was at my house > > the other day to test my younger son and we discussed Devyn. She > > watched Devyn interact with me and agreed that he is confusing. He > > does give eye contact, he is sociable and friendly but she agreed > > something is not right. It's like he's in his own world sometimes. > > Sometimes he will answer me and interact sometimes he is in what we > > call " Devynland " . He also intermittenly does this self-stimulatory > > act of twirling his hands and he has a new fear of water. Some times > > I get so frustrated because I don't know what of his actions are > > disciplinary and what are his delay. He also has extreme sensory > > issues. He can't stand things to touch him. If his juice spills he > > says he needs a wipe. He can't stand to watch his brother eat because > > the sight of it makes him gag. I have a lot of trouble with his > > nutrition because he won't eat! There are 2-3 things I can get him to > > eat and if its not those things he will starve himself. He never > > expresses hunger. He is very OCD, lining things up and cleaning his > > toys. He has a lot of changes this past year. The birth of his > > brother was very traumatic. His father had just gotten home from 6 > > months in Iraq and 2 weeks later his brother was born, but under > > extreme circumstances, I had to go live in the Mc House > > to be near him while he was in the NICU for 2 1/2 months. So my son > > lost me during that time and then when I got back, I brought home a > > sick baby. Then 8 months later my husband left again. We went to OK > > to visit my inlaws, that way he could be around more family and I > > could get some help. Now we are in CA with my family. I think this > > is all too much for him. I think he might be experiencing some sort > > of PTSD. Wow, this is all just pouring out. Obviously, I am > > frustrated and seeking help. I printed the list of tests Dr. Goldberg > > recommends. Any idea how to get my ped to order them? Thank you for > > listening. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 , I forgot to say, when you call for the IEP, I believe you are calling for an amendment IEP which takes a shorter time period. You definitely want to amend his speech services as it is not appropriate for your son's needs and maybe you can just tell the school district that more issues have cropped up that need addressed and lay those out as well. I will email you again privately but for now some good words to always use are " appropriate " or " not appropriate " or " inappropriate. " Although we want what is best for our kids, the school district does not have to pay for " best " just an appropriate education for your child. You can tell the school district that your son will not be able to properly access the school curriculum without the appropriate services to help with his special needs and current deficits. If the school district cannot meet his special needs or does not have a program that can do so, they have to create one or pay for one. Read that little booklet they give you at the IEP. I didn't read it until my 2nd IEP and I was shocked to read about my son's rights and the school's responsibility. You lay out his needs (of course, this may not happen over the course of one conversation, it may be several, and being informed, pleasant and relentless is a winning combination) and it's the school's responsibility to meet them. It's your tax money too that goes into paying for such services. Hope this helps. xo dawn Hi, new to the group...1st post > > > > Hi all. My name is . I am a 35yo sahm of 2. I joined this > > group for my 31/2 year old son Devyn. I also have a 12 month old that > > was born prematurely and has developmental delays as well. My husband > > is a hospital corpsman in the Navy and is currently deployed. I found > > this group through research I am doing to help Devyn. I am so lost. > > I have had him tested through the school district. The ADOS (austim > > diagnostic observation test) was inconclusive. They diagnosed him as > > sig language delayed, but it was the end of the school year so there > > were no services offered. I worked with him really hard through the > > summer and now that services have started they see a lot of > > improvement and say " he doesn't seem autistic " . Over the summer I got > > him 2 sessions of neurofeedback and that helped tremendously with his > > bowel movements. In the past, without his homeopathic spray, he would > > not go for 4-5 days. Now, he goes every day, sometimes twice or more, > > without the use of any aids. But he is showing increased aggression. > > I tried to get him involved in gymnastics and karate this week but we > > got kicked out of both. I called another gymnastics gym and spoke > > with the manager and she agreed to allow him into the younger class > > because of his delays. We will see how that goes next week. I have > > him on 3600 mg of omega 3 everyday and I am beginning a few other > > supplements that I have been researching such as GABA, NAC, L-Theanine > > and Bach Flower remedies. An Early Start Coordinator was at my house > > the other day to test my younger son and we discussed Devyn. She > > watched Devyn interact with me and agreed that he is confusing. He > > does give eye contact, he is sociable and friendly but she agreed > > something is not right. It's like he's in his own world sometimes. > > Sometimes he will answer me and interact sometimes he is in what we > > call " Devynland " . He also intermittenly does this self-stimulatory > > act of twirling his hands and he has a new fear of water. Some times > > I get so frustrated because I don't know what of his actions are > > disciplinary and what are his delay. He also has extreme sensory > > issues. He can't stand things to touch him. If his juice spills he > > says he needs a wipe. He can't stand to watch his brother eat because > > the sight of it makes him gag. I have a lot of trouble with his > > nutrition because he won't eat! There are 2-3 things I can get him to > > eat and if its not those things he will starve himself. He never > > expresses hunger. He is very OCD, lining things up and cleaning his > > toys. He has a lot of changes this past year. The birth of his > > brother was very traumatic. His father had just gotten home from 6 > > months in Iraq and 2 weeks later his brother was born, but under > > extreme circumstances, I had to go live in the Mc House > > to be near him while he was in the NICU for 2 1/2 months. So my son > > lost me during that time and then when I got back, I brought home a > > sick baby. Then 8 months later my husband left again. We went to OK > > to visit my inlaws, that way he could be around more family and I > > could get some help. Now we are in CA with my family. I think this > > is all too much for him. I think he might be experiencing some sort > > of PTSD. Wow, this is all just pouring out. Obviously, I am > > frustrated and seeking help. I printed the list of tests Dr. Goldberg > > recommends. Any idea how to get my ped to order them? Thank you for > > listening. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Thank you, Cheryl. I look forward to getting your email. You are the second person to tell me I need OT. I am waiting for an intake rep to call me. I am trying to be nice and patient, but I guess I am going to have to push. > From: Dawn Dolan <dawndolan (DOT) com> > Subject: Re: Hi, new to the group...1st post > groups (DOT) com > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 7:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi , > > > > I'm sorry that you are going through all of this and hope you will > get some help. The school district tests are not designed for > younger kids and most times miss important problems and diagnoses a > child may have. Also, on a more sinister front, sometimes they > don't like to come up with anything conclusive and intentionally > leave things inconclusive because they don't want to pay. Early > intervention is key!!! In my experience, you're son does not need > to be diagnosed with autism to get services. But you need to be on > it and be his advocate, or get one. My son was never officially > diagnosed with autism through the school district, but I had him re- > evaluated through our regional center. He tested on the autism > spectrum, according to the regional center, but the school district > has never changed their diagnosis from developmental delay. It has > been very difficult to get services because my son did not have all > his problems at once...it started out as > > a moderate speech delay and then sensory stuff starting happening, > then down the road the lining up of his toys, cars, etc. and the > repetitive opening and closing of doors and the turning on and off > of lights. It was all very ocd. > > > > I suggest calling for an IEP ASAP as they take time and make an > appointment with the regional center if you have one. Tell them > you are very concerned and make it sound as bad as can be...picture > his worst day with you so they will get you in. After 3, it is > harder to get in with the regional center. > > > > For his IEP, make sure he is getting at least 2 hours if not more > of a NPA (non public agency) speech, that means not someone at the > school district but an outside agency, and you need behavioral > support and Ot-occupational therapy to address his vast sensory > issues. They will not get better on their own, your son needs help > and the sensory can be what is driving the behavioral issues. What > if he can't tell you that noise hurts his ears or touch feels like > fire on his skin, he will act out. When you call for the IEP you > say you want your son to be evaluated for sensory integration > issues and you can describe them and he needs help, he needs > occupational therapy along with other behavioral support. There is > a window of time in which services and diet and other therapies > will work better with the developing brain. You need to get > services while his brain is still pliable and moldable. You tell > them that and that you are very big on early > > intervention. Do not let them go without giving you son the > necessary services...if you let them, they will. You need to fight > for your son. You don't have to be a bitch, but you have to be > your son's advocate, researcher, mother, therapist. It is not okay > to not offer services when a child is clearly in need and I hear > this all the time and it makes me sick. But they have to cut costs > somewhere so if you don't complain, then you don't get services. > > > > Get in there now while you can get you son talking and figure out > what is going on in his little body. Maybe he's not autistic, > that's subjective given the time of day, who evaluated him, how he > was feeling...my son aced every evaluation because he is sweet, > smart and had a good demeanor. I'm not an expert just a mom who > got services for my son that were previously denied. I will help > you in any way I can. Feel free to email me for my number. If you > need a little pep talk I can do that too. You have your plate full > and I'm here to help if you need me. > > > > Lastly, there are developmental pediatricians that evaluate the > whole child; social, emotional and physical. And, there are > consultants that you can meet with that help figure out what > services to get and how to get organized for your IEP. Some will > even go with you for a fee. It depends if you feel you can do it > alone or not. If not it's okay. My lawyer has a son with autism > and she fights for many many people; but she herself can't go to > the IEP's alone because she just loses it. She is a mom first and > foremost and this is an emotional journey. Be strong and pray and > when you are weak the Lord is strong. He has gotten me through > many IEP's. I have never had a lawyer or anyone go with me. Just > me and the Lord. > > > > Hope this makes sense. I was typing so fast in order to get back > to you. > > > > Good luck and let me know if you need any further assistance. > > > > xo > > > > dawn > > > > PLEASE NOTE THAT MY EMAIL ADDRESS HAS CHANGED TO... > > dawndolan (DOT) com > > > > Hi, new to the group...1st post > > > > Hi all. My name is . I am a 35yo sahm of 2. I joined this > > group for my 31/2 year old son Devyn. I also have a 12 month old that > > was born prematurely and has developmental delays as well. My husband > > is a hospital corpsman in the Navy and is currently deployed. I found > > this group through research I am doing to help Devyn. I am so lost. > > I have had him tested through the school district. The ADOS (austim > > diagnostic observation test) was inconclusive. They diagnosed him as > > sig language delayed, but it was the end of the school year so there > > were no services offered. I worked with him really hard through the > > summer and now that services have started they see a lot of > > improvement and say " he doesn't seem autistic " . Over the summer I got > > him 2 sessions of neurofeedback and that helped tremendously with his > > bowel movements. In the past, without his homeopathic spray, he would > > not go for 4-5 days. Now, he goes every day, sometimes twice or more, > > without the use of any aids. But he is showing increased aggression. > > I tried to get him involved in gymnastics and karate this week but we > > got kicked out of both. I called another gymnastics gym and spoke > > with the manager and she agreed to allow him into the younger class > > because of his delays. We will see how that goes next week. I have > > him on 3600 mg of omega 3 everyday and I am beginning a few other > > supplements that I have been researching such as GABA, NAC, L-Theanine > > and Bach Flower remedies. An Early Start Coordinator was at my house > > the other day to test my younger son and we discussed Devyn. She > > watched Devyn interact with me and agreed that he is confusing. He > > does give eye contact, he is sociable and friendly but she agreed > > something is not right. It's like he's in his own world sometimes. > > Sometimes he will answer me and interact sometimes he is in what we > > call " Devynland " . He also intermittenly does this self-stimulatory > > act of twirling his hands and he has a new fear of water. Some times > > I get so frustrated because I don't know what of his actions are > > disciplinary and what are his delay. He also has extreme sensory > > issues. He can't stand things to touch him. If his juice spills he > > says he needs a wipe. He can't stand to watch his brother eat because > > the sight of it makes him gag. I have a lot of trouble with his > > nutrition because he won't eat! There are 2-3 things I can get him to > > eat and if its not those things he will starve himself. He never > > expresses hunger. He is very OCD, lining things up and cleaning his > > toys. He has a lot of changes this past year. The birth of his > > brother was very traumatic. His father had just gotten home from 6 > > months in Iraq and 2 weeks later his brother was born, but under > > extreme circumstances, I had to go live in the Mc House > > to be near him while he was in the NICU for 2 1/2 months. So my son > > lost me during that time and then when I got back, I brought home a > > sick baby. Then 8 months later my husband left again. We went to OK > > to visit my inlaws, that way he could be around more family and I > > could get some help. Now we are in CA with my family. I think this > > is all too much for him. I think he might be experiencing some sort > > of PTSD. Wow, this is all just pouring out. Obviously, I am > > frustrated and seeking help. I printed the list of tests Dr. Goldberg > > recommends. Any idea how to get my ped to order them? Thank you for > > listening. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Thank you for your email, Kristy. I am so glad that you are getting help from Dr. G. I really respect and admire the work he is doing. I am just uncomfortable starting my road with meds. I read that if you want to use supplements and MB12 Dr. G is not the dr. for you. I want to see how far we can go with these avenues before I begin using prescriptions. His teachers and doctors tell me they think he is " not that bad " and that with some small changes, I hope we can see some results. I am learning so much from everyones stories! From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@roadrunner .com <mailto:knardini% 40roadrunner. com> > Subject: RE: Hi, new to the group...1st post groups (DOT) com <mailto:% 40groups. com> Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 8:11 PM Hi , Welcome to this list. My twins were born @ 26 weeks, so I understand a bit about prematurity (and living in a Mc house)). It sounds like you have found some really good things for your son (working with him, a la Floortime, for example, and also early intervention) . I love Dr. G's protocol because he is methodical about testing, then treating per the tests. I, too, have tried things on my own, things that have worked for other people, but it's really hard to know what for sure works and what is making things worse (i.e. creating aggression). If nothing else, i.e. you don't end up working with Dr. G, please find a practitioner that you do trust, that has a 'proven track record' and get their help with any biomed that you do for your child(ren). Where do you live now? Kristy From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of dimcgowen22 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:20 AM groups (DOT) com Subject: Hi, new to the group...1st post Hi all. My name is . I am a 35yo sahm of 2. I joined this group for my 31/2 year old son Devyn. I also have a 12 month old that was born prematurely and has developmental delays as well. My husband is a hospital corpsman in the Navy and is currently deployed. I found this group through research I am doing to help Devyn. I am so lost. I have had him tested through the school district. The ADOS (austim diagnostic observation test) was inconclusive. They diagnosed him as sig language delayed, but it was the end of the school year so there were no services offered. I worked with him really hard through the summer and now that services have started they see a lot of improvement and say " he doesn't seem autistic " . Over the summer I got him 2 sessions of neurofeedback and that helped tremendously with his bowel movements. In the past, without his homeopathic spray, he would not go for 4-5 days. Now, he goes every day, sometimes twice or more, without the use of any aids. But he is showing increased aggression. I tried to get him involved in gymnastics and karate this week but we got kicked out of both. I called another gymnastics gym and spoke with the manager and she agreed to allow him into the younger class because of his delays. We will see how that goes next week. I have him on 3600 mg of omega 3 everyday and I am beginning a few other supplements that I have been researching such as GABA, NAC, L-Theanine and Bach Flower remedies. An Early Start Coordinator was at my house the other day to test my younger son and we discussed Devyn. She watched Devyn interact with me and agreed that he is confusing. He does give eye contact, he is sociable and friendly but she agreed something is not right. It's like he's in his own world sometimes. Sometimes he will answer me and interact sometimes he is in what we call " Devynland " . He also intermittenly does this self-stimulatory act of twirling his hands and he has a new fear of water. Some times I get so frustrated because I don't know what of his actions are disciplinary and what are his delay. He also has extreme sensory issues. He can't stand things to touch him. If his juice spills he says he needs a wipe. He can't stand to watch his brother eat because the sight of it makes him gag. I have a lot of trouble with his nutrition because he won't eat! There are 2-3 things I can get him to eat and if its not those things he will starve himself. He never expresses hunger. He is very OCD, lining things up and cleaning his toys. He has a lot of changes this past year. The birth of his brother was very traumatic. His father had just gotten home from 6 months in Iraq and 2 weeks later his brother was born, but under extreme circumstances, I had to go live in the Mc House to be near him while he was in the NICU for 2 1/2 months. So my son lost me during that time and then when I got back, I brought home a sick baby. Then 8 months later my husband left again. We went to OK to visit my inlaws, that way he could be around more family and I could get some help. Now we are in CA with my family. I think this is all too much for him. I think he might be experiencing some sort of PTSD. Wow, this is all just pouring out. Obviously, I am frustrated and seeking help. I printed the list of tests Dr. Goldberg recommends. Any idea how to get my ped to order them? Thank you for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 You should have received it already. If you don't get it, let me know and I'll resend. Cheryl ~Visit my webstore for anything you need related to autism - groceries, supps, therapy supplies, books, and more! http://astore.amazon.com/grystai-20 ~Check out my blog: http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com/ On Sep 18, 2008, at 12:38 PM, McGowen wrote: > Thank you, Cheryl. I look forward to getting your email. You are > the second person to tell me I need OT. I am waiting for an intake > rep to call me. I am trying to be nice and patient, but I guess I > am going to have to push. > > > >> From: Dawn Dolan <dawndolan (DOT) com> > >> Subject: Re: Hi, new to the group...1st post > >> groups (DOT) com > >> Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 7:22 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi , > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm sorry that you are going through all of this and hope you will > >> get some help. The school district tests are not designed for > >> younger kids and most times miss important problems and diagnoses a > >> child may have. Also, on a more sinister front, sometimes they > >> don't like to come up with anything conclusive and intentionally > >> leave things inconclusive because they don't want to pay. Early > >> intervention is key!!! In my experience, you're son does not need > >> to be diagnosed with autism to get services. But you need to be on > >> it and be his advocate, or get one. My son was never officially > >> diagnosed with autism through the school district, but I had him re- > >> evaluated through our regional center. He tested on the autism > >> spectrum, according to the regional center, but the school district > >> has never changed their diagnosis from developmental delay. It has > >> been very difficult to get services because my son did not have all > >> his problems at once...it started out as > >> > >> a moderate speech delay and then sensory stuff starting happening, > >> then down the road the lining up of his toys, cars, etc. and the > >> repetitive opening and closing of doors and the turning on and off > >> of lights. It was all very ocd. > >> > >> > >> > >> I suggest calling for an IEP ASAP as they take time and make an > >> appointment with the regional center if you have one. Tell them > >> you are very concerned and make it sound as bad as can be...picture > >> his worst day with you so they will get you in. After 3, it is > >> harder to get in with the regional center. > >> > >> > >> > >> For his IEP, make sure he is getting at least 2 hours if not more > >> of a NPA (non public agency) speech, that means not someone at the > >> school district but an outside agency, and you need behavioral > >> support and Ot-occupational therapy to address his vast sensory > >> issues. They will not get better on their own, your son needs help > >> and the sensory can be what is driving the behavioral issues. What > >> if he can't tell you that noise hurts his ears or touch feels like > >> fire on his skin, he will act out. When you call for the IEP you > >> say you want your son to be evaluated for sensory integration > >> issues and you can describe them and he needs help, he needs > >> occupational therapy along with other behavioral support. There is > >> a window of time in which services and diet and other therapies > >> will work better with the developing brain. You need to get > >> services while his brain is still pliable and moldable. You tell > >> them that and that you are very big on early > >> > >> intervention. Do not let them go without giving you son the > >> necessary services...if you let them, they will. You need to fight > >> for your son. You don't have to be a bitch, but you have to be > >> your son's advocate, researcher, mother, therapist. It is not okay > >> to not offer services when a child is clearly in need and I hear > >> this all the time and it makes me sick. But they have to cut costs > >> somewhere so if you don't complain, then you don't get services. > >> > >> > >> > >> Get in there now while you can get you son talking and figure out > >> what is going on in his little body. Maybe he's not autistic, > >> that's subjective given the time of day, who evaluated him, how he > >> was feeling...my son aced every evaluation because he is sweet, > >> smart and had a good demeanor. I'm not an expert just a mom who > >> got services for my son that were previously denied. I will help > >> you in any way I can. Feel free to email me for my number. If you > >> need a little pep talk I can do that too. You have your plate full > >> and I'm here to help if you need me. > >> > >> > >> > >> Lastly, there are developmental pediatricians that evaluate the > >> whole child; social, emotional and physical. And, there are > >> consultants that you can meet with that help figure out what > >> services to get and how to get organized for your IEP. Some will > >> even go with you for a fee. It depends if you feel you can do it > >> alone or not. If not it's okay. My lawyer has a son with autism > >> and she fights for many many people; but she herself can't go to > >> the IEP's alone because she just loses it. She is a mom first and > >> foremost and this is an emotional journey. Be strong and pray and > >> when you are weak the Lord is strong. He has gotten me through > >> many IEP's. I have never had a lawyer or anyone go with me. Just > >> me and the Lord. > >> > >> > >> > >> Hope this makes sense. I was typing so fast in order to get back > >> to you. > >> > >> > >> > >> Good luck and let me know if you need any further assistance. > >> > >> > >> > >> xo > >> > >> > >> > >> dawn > >> > >> > >> > >> PLEASE NOTE THAT MY EMAIL ADDRESS HAS CHANGED TO... > >> > >> dawndolan (DOT) com > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi, new to the group...1st post > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi all. My name is . I am a 35yo sahm of 2. I joined this > >> > >> group for my 31/2 year old son Devyn. I also have a 12 month old >> that > >> > >> was born prematurely and has developmental delays as well. My husband > >> > >> is a hospital corpsman in the Navy and is currently deployed. I >> found > >> > >> this group through research I am doing to help Devyn. I am so lost. > >> > >> I have had him tested through the school district. The ADOS (austim > >> > >> diagnostic observation test) was inconclusive. They diagnosed him as > >> > >> sig language delayed, but it was the end of the school year so there > >> > >> were no services offered. I worked with him really hard through the > >> > >> summer and now that services have started they see a lot of > >> > >> improvement and say " he doesn't seem autistic " . Over the summer I >> got > >> > >> him 2 sessions of neurofeedback and that helped tremendously with his > >> > >> bowel movements. In the past, without his homeopathic spray, he >> would > >> > >> not go for 4-5 days. Now, he goes every day, sometimes twice or >> more, > >> > >> without the use of any aids. But he is showing increased aggression. > >> > >> I tried to get him involved in gymnastics and karate this week but we > >> > >> got kicked out of both. I called another gymnastics gym and spoke > >> > >> with the manager and she agreed to allow him into the younger class > >> > >> because of his delays. We will see how that goes next week. I have > >> > >> him on 3600 mg of omega 3 everyday and I am beginning a few other > >> > >> supplements that I have been researching such as GABA, NAC, L- >> Theanine > >> > >> and Bach Flower remedies. An Early Start Coordinator was at my house > >> > >> the other day to test my younger son and we discussed Devyn. She > >> > >> watched Devyn interact with me and agreed that he is confusing. He > >> > >> does give eye contact, he is sociable and friendly but she agreed > >> > >> something is not right. It's like he's in his own world sometimes. > >> > >> Sometimes he will answer me and interact sometimes he is in what we > >> > >> call " Devynland " . He also intermittenly does this self-stimulatory > >> > >> act of twirling his hands and he has a new fear of water. Some times > >> > >> I get so frustrated because I don't know what of his actions are > >> > >> disciplinary and what are his delay. He also has extreme sensory > >> > >> issues. He can't stand things to touch him. If his juice spills he > >> > >> says he needs a wipe. He can't stand to watch his brother eat >> because > >> > >> the sight of it makes him gag. I have a lot of trouble with his > >> > >> nutrition because he won't eat! There are 2-3 things I can get >> him to > >> > >> eat and if its not those things he will starve himself. He never > >> > >> expresses hunger. He is very OCD, lining things up and cleaning his > >> > >> toys. He has a lot of changes this past year. The birth of his > >> > >> brother was very traumatic. His father had just gotten home from 6 > >> > >> months in Iraq and 2 weeks later his brother was born, but under > >> > >> extreme circumstances, I had to go live in the Mc House > >> > >> to be near him while he was in the NICU for 2 1/2 months. So my son > >> > >> lost me during that time and then when I got back, I brought home a > >> > >> sick baby. Then 8 months later my husband left again. We went to OK > >> > >> to visit my inlaws, that way he could be around more family and I > >> > >> could get some help. Now we are in CA with my family. I think this > >> > >> is all too much for him. I think he might be experiencing some sort > >> > >> of PTSD. Wow, this is all just pouring out. Obviously, I am > >> > >> frustrated and seeking help. I printed the list of tests Dr. >> Goldberg > >> > >> recommends. Any idea how to get my ped to order them? Thank you for > >> > >> listening. > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 One other note regarding OT: request in writing an OT assessment. You CANNOT be denied an assessment; the SD can, however, deny you services even if the assessment says he needs OT. That's where the fun begins! Just take one step at a time and good luck! Robyn p.s. If you need/want help with the verbiage related to the request for assessment, please let me know. I have some samples. > > > >> From: Dawn Dolan <dawndolan (DOT) com> > > > >> Subject: Re: Hi, new to the group...1st > post > > > >> groups (DOT) com > > > >> Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 7:22 PM > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Hi , > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I'm sorry that you are going through all of > this and hope you will > > > >> get some help. The school district tests are not > designed for > > > >> younger kids and most times miss important > problems and diagnoses a > > > >> child may have. Also, on a more sinister front, > sometimes they > > > >> don't like to come up with anything conclusive > and intentionally > > > >> leave things inconclusive because they don't > want to pay. Early > > > >> intervention is key!!! In my experience, > you're son does not need > > > >> to be diagnosed with autism to get services. But > you need to be on > > > >> it and be his advocate, or get one. My son was > never officially > > > >> diagnosed with autism through the school district, > but I had him re- > > > >> evaluated through our regional center. He tested > on the autism > > > >> spectrum, according to the regional center, but > the school district > > > >> has never changed their diagnosis from > developmental delay. It has > > > >> been very difficult to get services because my son > did not have all > > > >> his problems at once...it started out as > > > >> > > > >> a moderate speech delay and then sensory stuff > starting happening, > > > >> then down the road the lining up of his toys, > cars, etc. and the > > > >> repetitive opening and closing of doors and the > turning on and off > > > >> of lights. It was all very ocd. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I suggest calling for an IEP ASAP as they take > time and make an > > > >> appointment with the regional center if you have > one. Tell them > > > >> you are very concerned and make it sound as bad as > can be...picture > > > >> his worst day with you so they will get you in. > After 3, it is > > > >> harder to get in with the regional center. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> For his IEP, make sure he is getting at least 2 > hours if not more > > > >> of a NPA (non public agency) speech, that means > not someone at the > > > >> school district but an outside agency, and you > need behavioral > > > >> support and Ot-occupational therapy to address his > vast sensory > > > >> issues. They will not get better on their own, > your son needs help > > > >> and the sensory can be what is driving the > behavioral issues. What > > > >> if he can't tell you that noise hurts his ears > or touch feels like > > > >> fire on his skin, he will act out. When you call > for the IEP you > > > >> say you want your son to be evaluated for sensory > integration > > > >> issues and you can describe them and he needs > help, he needs > > > >> occupational therapy along with other behavioral > support. There is > > > >> a window of time in which services and diet and > other therapies > > > >> will work better with the developing brain. You > need to get > > > >> services while his brain is still pliable and > moldable. You tell > > > >> them that and that you are very big on early > > > >> > > > >> intervention. Do not let them go without giving > you son the > > > >> necessary services...if you let them, they will. > You need to fight > > > >> for your son. You don't have to be a bitch, > but you have to be > > > >> your son's advocate, researcher, mother, > therapist. It is not okay > > > >> to not offer services when a child is clearly in > need and I hear > > > >> this all the time and it makes me sick. But they > have to cut costs > > > >> somewhere so if you don't complain, then you > don't get services. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Get in there now while you can get you son talking > and figure out > > > >> what is going on in his little body. Maybe > he's not autistic, > > > >> that's subjective given the time of day, who > evaluated him, how he > > > >> was feeling...my son aced every evaluation because > he is sweet, > > > >> smart and had a good demeanor. I'm not an > expert just a mom who > > > >> got services for my son that were previously > denied. I will help > > > >> you in any way I can. Feel free to email me for > my number. If you > > > >> need a little pep talk I can do that too. You > have your plate full > > > >> and I'm here to help if you need me. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Lastly, there are developmental pediatricians that > evaluate the > > > >> whole child; social, emotional and physical. And, > there are > > > >> consultants that you can meet with that help > figure out what > > > >> services to get and how to get organized for your > IEP. Some will > > > >> even go with you for a fee. It depends if you > feel you can do it > > > >> alone or not. If not it's okay. My lawyer > has a son with autism > > > >> and she fights for many many people; but she > herself can't go to > > > >> the IEP's alone because she just loses it. > She is a mom first and > > > >> foremost and this is an emotional journey. Be > strong and pray and > > > >> when you are weak the Lord is strong. He has > gotten me through > > > >> many IEP's. I have never had a lawyer or > anyone go with me. Just > > > >> me and the Lord. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Hope this makes sense. I was typing so fast in > order to get back > > > >> to you. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Good luck and let me know if you need any further > assistance. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> xo > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> dawn > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> PLEASE NOTE THAT MY EMAIL ADDRESS HAS CHANGED > TO... > > > >> > > > >> dawndolan (DOT) com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Hi, new to the group...1st post > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Hi all. My name is . I am a 35yo sahm of 2. > I joined this > > > >> > > > >> group for my 31/2 year old son Devyn. I also have > a 12 month old > >> that > > > >> > > > >> was born prematurely and has developmental delays > as well. My husband > > > >> > > > >> is a hospital corpsman in the Navy and is > currently deployed. I > >> found > > > >> > > > >> this group through research I am doing to help > Devyn. I am so lost. > > > >> > > > >> I have had him tested through the school district. > The ADOS (austim > > > >> > > > >> diagnostic observation test) was inconclusive. > They diagnosed him as > > > >> > > > >> sig language delayed, but it was the end of the > school year so there > > > >> > > > >> were no services offered. I worked with him > really hard through the > > > >> > > > >> summer and now that services have started they see > a lot of > > > >> > > > >> improvement and say " he doesn't seem > autistic " . Over the summer I > >> got > > > >> > > > >> him 2 sessions of neurofeedback and that helped > tremendously with his > > > >> > > > >> bowel movements. In the past, without his > homeopathic spray, he > >> would > > > >> > > > >> not go for 4-5 days. Now, he goes every day, > sometimes twice or > >> more, > > > >> > > > >> without the use of any aids. But he is showing > increased aggression. > > > >> > > > >> I tried to get him involved in gymnastics and > karate this week but we > > > >> > > > >> got kicked out of both. I called another > gymnastics gym and spoke > > > >> > > > >> with the manager and she agreed to allow him into > the younger class > > > >> > > > >> because of his delays. We will see how that goes > next week. I have > > > >> > > > >> him on 3600 mg of omega 3 everyday and I am > beginning a few other > > > >> > > > >> supplements that I have been researching such as > GABA, NAC, L- > >> Theanine > > > >> > > > >> and Bach Flower remedies. An Early Start > Coordinator was at my house > > > >> > > > >> the other day to test my younger son and we > discussed Devyn. She > > > >> > > > >> watched Devyn interact with me and agreed that he > is confusing. He > > > >> > > > >> does give eye contact, he is sociable and friendly > but she agreed > > > >> > > > >> something is not right. It's like he's in > his own world sometimes. > > > >> > > > >> Sometimes he will answer me and interact sometimes > he is in what we > > > >> > > > >> call " Devynland " . He also intermittenly > does this self-stimulatory > > > >> > > > >> act of twirling his hands and he has a new fear of > water. Some times > > > >> > > > >> I get so frustrated because I don't know what > of his actions are > > > >> > > > >> disciplinary and what are his delay. He also has > extreme sensory > > > >> > > > >> issues. He can't stand things to touch him. > If his juice spills he > > > >> > > > >> says he needs a wipe. He can't stand to watch > his brother eat > >> because > > > >> > > > >> the sight of it makes him gag. I have a lot of > trouble with his > > > >> > > > >> nutrition because he won't eat! There are 2-3 > things I can get > >> him to > > > >> > > > >> eat and if its not those things he will starve > himself. He never > > > >> > > > >> expresses hunger. He is very OCD, lining things > up and cleaning his > > > >> > > > >> toys. He has a lot of changes this past year. > The birth of his > > > >> > > > >> brother was very traumatic. His father had just > gotten home from 6 > > > >> > > > >> months in Iraq and 2 weeks later his brother was > born, but under > > > >> > > > >> extreme circumstances, I had to go live in the > Mc House > > > >> > > > >> to be near him while he was in the NICU for 2 1/2 > months. So my son > > > >> > > > >> lost me during that time and then when I got back, > I brought home a > > > >> > > > >> sick baby. Then 8 months later my husband left > again. We went to OK > > > >> > > > >> to visit my inlaws, that way he could be around > more family and I > > > >> > > > >> could get some help. Now we are in CA with my > family. I think this > > > >> > > > >> is all too much for him. I think he might be > experiencing some sort > > > >> > > > >> of PTSD. Wow, this is all just pouring out. > Obviously, I am > > > >> > > > >> frustrated and seeking help. I printed the list > of tests Dr. > >> Goldberg > > > >> > > > >> recommends. Any idea how to get my ped to order > them? Thank you for > > > >> > > > >> listening. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > >> > > > >> Responsibility for the content of this message > lies strictly with > > > >> the original author(s), and is not necessarily > endorsed by or the > > > >> opinion of the Research Institute, the > Parent Coalition, > > > >> or the list moderator(s) . > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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