Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 > > > > Yes, you are right. Understand, however, the potential of the hybrid > > to produce nutrition in any soil is reduced compared to the open > > pollinated in the same soil. The hybrid is genetically engineered > > (but not a GMO which is cross species) to increase yield at the > > expense of nutrition and to be easier to grow in depleted soils. If > > a farmer says he is interested in nutrtion and at the same time, > > says he grows hybrids, I just laugh out loud and walk away. > > > > > ### What about things like nappa cabbage and daikon. Aren't those hybrids? > I've been fermenting those because I like them, maybe I should starting > pickling other vegetables instead? Not necessarily. They are more likely plants that have been common in other lands that were brought over here, and then improved by selecting the best specimens to use as seeds for the next crop. Any gardener can do the same thing if you save your own seeds. Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 > --- Why is bat guano considered an excellent soil amendment? Or do > you consider it excellent? > The bats eat insects and produce a very rich manure, which accumulates in the caves where they live, composting naturally. The nutrients don't get washed away by rain. Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 > > The problem with most soils is not a lack of minerals, but rather a > > lack of mineral availability in the soil. > > ### Yes! I agree again. My husband and I were discussing this and the > importance of making the minerals available. This is where I think the > confusion comes in. People discuss erosion and losing top soil, etc. but > don't seem to realize that there is the potential to rejuvenate the soil. > Instead of trying to help the soil by encouraging microoganisms, people tend > to just artificially *fortify* the soil. It's like taking a vitamin/mineral > supplement--it may not be in a usable form. You can't just stick a penny in > the soil and expect the plant to pick up all the copper. Putting chemicals Some minerals are needed in such tiny amounts that a copper penny might actually be beneficial (tho not very efficient) if there is plenty of organic matter and the right microorganisms. Neil Kinsey, who does consulting with organic farmers, reports that he often finds copper deficient when he does soil tests. He's the one that recommends wearing a copper bracelet because the body can readily absorb the small amounts of copper it needs from contact between the pure copper and the skin. He claims he has seen animal, such as cows, who are so crippled with arthritic pain they can hardly walk, return to normal mobility after being fitted with a copper necklace. I have a feeling that the copper bracelet is more effective at supplying copper to the body than any copper supplement, which probably passes thru the body with little absorption. Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2003 Report Share Posted January 23, 2003 yeah but all kinds of wierd mold bacteria grow there too and you can get very very evry sick breathing that stuff in. For warned. ----- Original Message ----- From: " Kris " <kris.johnson@...> < > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Re: Weeds > > > > --- Why is bat guano considered an excellent soil amendment? Or do > > you consider it excellent? > > > The bats eat insects and produce a very rich manure, which accumulates in > the caves where they live, composting naturally. The nutrients don't get > washed away by rain. > > Kris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2003 Report Share Posted January 26, 2003 Hi Kris: Thanks for this info. Marla > > ### What about things like nappa cabbage and daikon. Aren't those > hybrids? > > I've been fermenting those because I like them, maybe I should starting > > pickling other vegetables instead? > > Not necessarily. They are more likely plants that have been common in other > lands that were brought over here, and then improved by selecting the best > specimens to use as seeds for the next crop. Any gardener can do the same > thing if you save your own seeds. > > Kris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2003 Report Share Posted January 26, 2003 Hi Kris: That is interesting. There is a section in Pat Coleby's book Natural Goat Care that discusses the need for copper for the health of goats. He mentions Neil Kinsey's recommendations, but also mentions his own experiences. Here's a quote from Coleby's book, " When the copper level tests were done on my herd, I had about one third showing " big knees. " (An immuno-suppressive disease caused by a retrovirus sometimes called lentivirus) Alan and I confidently expected them to show low calcium/magnesium levels as it appeared to be an arthritic condition. To our surprise, they only showed low copper levels, even though I was supplementing with a small amount of the mineral. From these tests, we established the lower level of copper supplementation. I later raised the levels slightly in the diet after reading information from Japan that dark haired people needed six times more copper than those with fair hair (I ran predominantly black British Alpines). " Hmm. I have jet black hair. Maybe I should be wearing copper bracelets? I prefer silver. ( Marla > Some minerals are needed in such tiny amounts that a copper penny might > actually be beneficial (tho not very efficient) if there is plenty of > organic matter and the right microorganisms. Neil Kinsey, who does > consulting with organic farmers, reports that he often finds copper > deficient when he does soil tests. He's the one that recommends wearing a > copper bracelet because the body can readily absorb the small amounts of > copper it needs from contact between the pure copper and the skin. He claims > he has seen animal, such as cows, who are so crippled with arthritic pain > they can hardly walk, return to normal mobility after being fitted with a > copper necklace. I have a feeling that the copper bracelet is more effective > at supplying copper to the body than any copper supplement, which probably > passes thru the body with little absorption. > > Kris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Hi Chi, It is very obvious that you are against the use of hybrid vegetables. I have some questions concerning the information in the quote I included below from your posting dated, Jan 21, 2003. " Understand, however, the potential of the hybrid to produce nutrition in any soil is reduced compared to the open pollinated in the same soil. The hybrid is genetically engineered (but not a GMO which is cross species) to increase yield at the expense of nutrition and to be easier to grow in depleted soils. If a farmer says he is interested in nutrtion and at the same time, says he grows hybrids, I just laugh out loud and walk away. " Does this information apply to all hybrids or just certain ones under certain conditions? I have been looking for information on this subject but I find little that is clear and concise. Most people state opinions but have little to back them up. You seem to take a very solid stand on the subject so I assume you have data to back it up. Please tell me where can I find documented proof that hybrids are not capable of producing food as nutritious as open pollinated vegetables in the same soil? Thanks, Jlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 > I don't have a lot of those things around me.. wa wa wa > Kim Fuo Kim, I bet you do if you look in the right places. Where do you live? Any vacant fields around? It doesn't have to be a big space. If there is a lot that hasn't been mowed for a while, the weeds will start coming. Every year will bring new ones. Most all of the weeds we looked at at the gathering grow throughout NYS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Hi Lori, I found the following page on the web: http://www.fetchbook.info/fwd_topics/id_1541733.html What you might want to do is go book shopping, both in bookstores and in the library. Maybe you'll find one that is more specific to your geographic location? You might call your state extension center for suggestions. They may have free or very inexpensive materials specific to your state. TerriLynne Plants, Edible: New & Used Books Found in Plants, Edible Category Tom Brown's Guide to Wild Edible and Medicinal PlantsByTom Brown Paperback / Berkley Pub Group / January 1995 / 0425100634List Price $14.00 Edible and Useful Wild Plants of the United States and CanadaBy Francis Saunders Paperback / 275 Pages / Dover Pubns / August 1976 / 0486233103List Price $12.95 Handbook of Edible WeedsBy A. Duke Hardcover / 246 Pages / CRC Pr I Llc / November 2000 / 0849329469List Price $89.95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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