Re: Prevnar

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Jo;

My son had the PREVNAR at 10 months. He had a severe rash from the

injection site all the way up his back, and around the sides of his

stomach.

I want to add that after the Dr. gave the shot, he handed my husband

a tissue to wipe the baby. There was quite a bit more blood than

previous shots. My husband ended up within three days with a high

fever, chills, aches and pains and a severe pain in the back of his

neck, which affected his head. He was sick for a month. He has since

I have known him never been this sick. He had every test imaginable,

but he would not let them tap his spine. He is a contractor so most

of the time his hands are spilt open. I was trying to find a reason

for this illness, thats when I remembered the shot. Of course all the

doctors said that was not possible. The only thing the tests showed

was a positive titre for rheumatoid arthritis, which has since been

negative.

We will never know if the shot was the cause.

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At 08:04 AM 10/5/00 -0400, you wrote:

>Sorry to ask but I have a friend that has been advised to

>have her whole family have these shots...wasn't it just

>the one you posted on flu vaccine? I sent her that. But

>she came back and asked for info on Prevnar..anyone have

>the insert or it's bad side effects..Thanks.

>

>

Here's some places to start looking at prevnar. My biggest problem with it

and why I refused it is it is brand new! That means there's nothing on it

except what has been fit to be released by the product manufacturers and

government. I don't trust what they have to say on vaccinations, so I

didn't give it.

http://pharminfo.com/drugfaq/prevnar_faq.html

http://www.prevnar.com/parents_home.htm

http://www.pcc.com/lists/pedtalk.archive/0003/00095.html

http://www.alternativeparenting.com/vaccinations/_disc19/00000190.htm

Hope these help.

Adrienne

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<<Here's what Cantekin had to say about Prevnar at the NVIC Conference:

" Pneumococcal Vaccine and Otitis Media " by Dr. Erdem Cantekin

Erdem Cantekin, Ph.D., is Professor of Otolaryngology, University of

Pittsburgh. An internationally recognized authority on otitis media and

has

studied causes and treatments for ear infection and sinusitis in his 25

year

career. An early, outspoken critic of the overuse of antibiotics to treat

ear infections, Dr. Cantekin has published more than 150 articles and

abstracts in the medical literature on eustachian tube function, ear tube

surgery, antibiotic resistance and conflicts of interest in biomedical

research and manufacturer sponsored medicine.

Cantekin discussed the new Prevnar vaccine for pneumococcal, as

endorsed

by the American Academy of Pediatrics. " The alleged benefits for this new

vaccine are greatly exaggerated and the risks are significant, " said

Cantekin. " The bacteria pneumococcus, with more than 90 serotypes, is a

common pathogen. Though pneumococcus causes various diseases the caries

rate

and serotype distribution rates in different groups are not know. Also, it

is

not known how pneumococcus transmutes itself into a pathogen. The role of

pneumococcus in the microbiological balance is not known. It does

contribute

to 3,000 cases a year of meningitis, 50,000 a year of bacteremia, 500,000

cases of pneumonia, and seven million cases of otitis media or ear

infections…

" With all of these unknowns, the vaccination of newborns with seven

pneumococcal serotypes and possible eradication of those serotypes, is an

uninformed experiment at best, " said Cantekin.

" Unfortunately, our public health officials have no good estimates of

these caries rates in common populations. The rates of healthy newborns

contracting these diseases are not well documented and yet to be

determined.

Yet in February 2000 Prevnar, a seven-valent, conjugate vaccine was

approved

for infants and toddlers. The FDA did not approve pneumococcal for

pneumonia

or otitis media. This approval was limited and paradoxical because three

years earlier the New England Journal of Medicine the scientists had

concluded that 'bacterial meningitis in the US is now a disease

predominately

of adults rather than infants and young children.' "

Cantekin pointed out that the study on Prevnar violated rules of

internationally accepted methods of reporting clinical trials by publishing

the results when they were incomplete. For example, regarding pneumonia

there was no information at all. All the results were presented in a

" confusing nonstandard format. " Also, the control group for the study did

not receive a placebo, but another meningitis vaccine.

Other questions remained unanswered: " If this HMO trial was going to be the

only foundation to vaccinate every newborn in the United States, why were

those findings, involving 38,000 captive HMO children, not published in a

leading medical journal? The results were instead published in a journal

well known to be the mouthpiece of drug manufacturers. It is also

troubling

that, prior to the publication of primary results, the medical economic

analysis was rushed to publication in the Journal of the American Medical

Association. Then a string of publications appeared in print - this was a

well-organized effort to capture the newborn population as quickly as

possible…Prevnar is not effective for otitis media or pneumonia and the

prevention of meningitis data are inconclusive. Why does the American

Academy of Pediatrics want our children to be immunized using Prevnar? Why

are all those experts excited about this new vaccine? I'm afraid the

answer

does not lie in the scientific realm. Endorsements by experts become more

puzzling if we examine the adverse or peculiar effects of the vaccine in

the

HMO trial. As shown here, Prevnar had four times more seizures, four times

more gastritis than the control group, significantly more developed asthma,

one death in the Prevnar group. Strangely, there were twice as many SIDS

in

the control group, but remember the control group was receiving another

experimental vaccine.

" The big push for Prevnar came from its supposed prevention of otitis

media, even though it had not been approved for this use. The promise of

saving children from this common, self-limiting disease now turned into

persistent childhood pest, is an excellent strategy, for marketing. Every

parent knows and abhors otitis media.

" Simple facts about otitis media is that 60 percent of the cases are viral,

less than 40 percent are bacterial, and perhaps 25 percent of all otitis

media is due to pneumococcus. In two days, 90 percent of the otitis cases

resolve by itself without treatment. Regardless of these facts our experts

for two decades have been recommending aggressive interventions, such as

long

duration antibiotic therapy and designer drugs, antibiotic prophylaxis and

then followed by aggressive surgery. This clinical practice, not supported

by existing scientific based evidence, fuels our $5 billion a year otitis

media medical economics. So if Prevnar could stop the cycle of drug and

slash, it would have been a great public benefit. But that is not the

case.

The FDA data both from Finland and the HMO trial show that the prevention

benefit is less than four percent. Despite this, the economic spin goes

on. "

When the JAMA rushed to publish the economic analysis deployment of

Prevnar

in the US prior to the publication of the HMO trial results, Cantekin wrote

a

letter to the editor. In this letter he pointed out that all of the money

the vaccine was supposed to save health care consumers would be saved

without

the vaccine if health care providers would stick to the clinical guidelines

for the treatment of otitis media. His letter to the editor was rejected.

" Prevnar will have the same effect that antibiotic abuse currently has

because, by changing serotype, it will exert selective pressure on the

microbial ecology. This vaccine is the perfect example of a profit driven

health care with no checks and balances. In our $1 trillion health care

system the public health for people's interest are supposedly in the hands

of

three government agencies: the FDA, the CDC, and the NIH. These three

pillars of our public health system are more and more in the hand of expert

panels and advisory committees with ad hoc appointed outsiders. Such

experts

dictate policies, control the complex biomedical information system, and

directly influence the taxpayers' health and wealth. Those experts are

frequently in the state of conflict of interest because they also serve

those

special interest groups who profit from their expert decisions. Most

experts

are in financial relationships with these special interest groups and are

usually registered with the speaker offices of various manufacturers. In

other words, they are paid lobbyist. The perils of such interlocking

conflicts are dangerous to public health. With increasing frequency we

witness the media exposures of these white coat crimes. I think it is time

that a reform act was in order and the people demand better controls from

the

government to protect their health and their pocket books. " (Too see some

of

the 150 papers Dr. Camtekin has written, go to the National Library of

Medicine, PubMed, at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi)>>

jacq210 wrote:

> What do you all know about this prevnar vaccine? it is being discussed

> (in a positive light, i might add) on a diff't list i am on. i am in

> the minority (if not the only one...) so i usually don't say much. But

> i'm just curious what you all might know.

>

> TIA

>

> ~~ Jacqui

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Kathleen

In a message dated 1/3/2002 9:45:57 PM Central Standard Time,

luvmyfam77@... writes:

> Does anyone have any good links on this vaccine? It is not one that I have

> researched enough of for myself, but have declined it with Emelia and now

> with Liam.(wasn't even offered with Madelyn) I know it was known as the

> " ear

> infection " vaccine for awhile but we all know that isn't true. TIA

>

> Tami, mommy to:

> Madelyn 3yrs, Emelia 2yrs, and Liam 4.5months

>

>

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[Guest guest]

At 10:43 PM 01/03/2002 EST, you wrote:

>Does anyone have any good links on this vaccine? It is not one that I have

>researched enough of for myself, but have declined it with Emelia and now

>with Liam.(wasn't even offered with Madelyn) I know it was known as the

" ear

>infection " vaccine for awhile but we all know that isn't true. TIA

>

>Tami, mommy to:

>Madelyn 3yrs, Emelia 2yrs, and Liam 4.5months

>

And again......... ;-)

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/prevnar.htm

on my webpages

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South Wales

[Guest guest]

Did anyone see the article about prevnar being pushed for children

that are in daycare? I have AOL IM and when the news articles come

up, that was one. They don't mention any bad stuff, they never do,

but make it sound like something wonderful for children in daycare.

I was talking to my sister today, her son is 9 days old, and we were

discussing vax. I think I have talked her into totally avoiding this

one, and delaying the others for a long time! She isn't ready to

avoid the shots, but interested in reading and learning more.

michelle

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>

> Kathleen

>

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Read my daughter's story and you will see EXACTLY what Prevnar can do. That

is 21 separate pneumococcal viruses injected into your child at once and it

is NOT mandated only recommended. THESE DAMN DOCTORS MAKE ME SO MAD!!!!!

~Em~

Attached, Non vaxing, Non-spanking, Gently Guiding, Co-bedding SAHM to my

miracle daughter, Sophie Joyce 9/8/00-Will be home-schooled!

Wife, Soulmate, Lover and Eternal Friend to 11/11/99

TTC #2, but no luck yet.

Want to see what those harmless vaccines can do? Read my daughter's story:

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/February2002/Sophie'sStory.htm

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Sophie's Story - A Terrible, Typical Tale</A>

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http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/prevnar.htm

http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/3/prevnar.htm

http://www.vaccineinfo.net/issues/Pneumococcal/prevnar.htm

http://www.petitiononline.com/Vaccine/petition.html

http://www.whale.to/v/prevnar2.html

hope this helps!

hahaha, what i find real cool is that even doing a

search just with the name of a vax, the majority of

sites coming up on the first page are those that

question vaccines, YIPPIE!!!!!

:-)

claudia

--- Chevy974@... wrote:

> My friend Dr is harrasing her about giving the

> PREVNAR to her 4 yr old Sh

> come to me for advise i forwarded her what i have on

> it but i was wondering

> what you all had out there I could send her.

> She is now starting to ? vaccines she has a child

> that is " SLOW " ran 105

> fevers and developed sever ear infections after her

> 6 mo shots she asked me

> today Could it be related I said YES!!!!! the poor

> child also had a knot on

> her leg the size of a small grapefruit and a fever

> 105. we use to be

> neighbors i remeber her banging on my door at 3 am

> with this screamming baby

> UGGH if only we would have known then.

> Thanks in advance for any prevnar links

> Amy

> ohio

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In a message dated 2/25/02 12:26:48 AM GTB Standard Time,

mommysince2000@... writes:

<< EXACTLY what Prevnar can do. That

is 21 separate pneumococcal viruses injected into your child at once and it

is NOT mandated only recommended. >>

Prevnar only has 7 serotypes plus the carrier diphtheria.You must be thinking

about the Pnuemovax(sp) which has 23 serotypes and is given to 2yo and

above.I agree though that prevnar sucks. Essentially they had to create

prevnar to deal with the rise in Strep Pnuemo cases,which rose because a

vacuum was created when they introducted the HIB vaccine.

Atleast that is what I think!

sara

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Yes, sorry My mistake....

AS for Prevnar....7 is WAAAAY to much for a child. They are giving that at 2

mo! This just gets me so mad.

~Em~

Attached, Non vaxing, Non-spanking, Gently Guiding, Co-bedding SAHM to my

miracle daughter, Sophie Joyce 9/8/00-Will be home-schooled!

Wife, Soulmate, Lover and Eternal Friend to 11/11/99

TTC #2, but no luck yet.

Want to see what those harmless vaccines can do? Read my daughter's story:

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/February2002/Sophie'sStory.htm

<A

HREF= " http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/February2002/Sophie'sStory.htm "

>

Sophie's Story - A Terrible, Typical Tale</A>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/25/02 4:47:36 AM GTB Standard Time,

mommysince2000@... writes:

<<

AS for Prevnar....7 is WAAAAY to much for a child. They are giving that at 2

mo! This just gets me so mad. >>

A total experiment in my eyes.And I don't get the point of the womans ped

even pushing it since so many kids are missing doses due to Wyelth(sp) having

production problems. Imo,they give one dose and create a panic in the parent

for more to finish the series.

[Guest guest]

Amy,

Go into Sheri's website, click on the article by Dr. Erdem Canteken on

Pneumoccoccal Vaccine (Prevnar). Send this article any way you can to your

friend. Tell your friend to take a copy of it to her " doctor " and have her

read it.

We don't take our son to physicians for well child checkups. We haven't

since he was six months old. The only reason they've scheduled well baby

visits is to nab the kids for jabs.

Just my .02 worth; you can TRY to " inform " , with all the best intentions,

your friends and family about the dangers of vaccines. There's only so much

you can do. I've learned to keep quiet if and until the subject of vaccines

comes up; depending on " where " the conversation is leading, I may or may not

speak up. Don't knock yourself out trying to inform your friend about these

issues. If she's not open to it, it's not meant to be! It's hard to keep

quiet, I know, but there really is just so much you can do! The rest is up

to your friend.

Kim

Re: prevnar

> Amy - my webpages !!!!!!!!!!!!

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/prevnar.htm

> why doesn't anyone remember they are there?

> And 's and Sandy's?

>

> At 03:35 PM 02/24/2002 EST, you wrote:

> >My friend Dr is harrasing her about giving the PREVNAR to her 4 yr old Sh

> >come to me for advise i forwarded her what i have on it but i was

wondering

> >what you all had out there I could send her.

> >She is now starting to ? vaccines she has a child that is " SLOW " ran 105

> >fevers and developed sever ear infections after her 6 mo shots she asked

me

> >today Could it be related I said YES!!!!! the poor child also had a knot

on

> >her leg the size of a small grapefruit and a fever 105. we use to be

> >neighbors i remeber her banging on my door at 3 am with this screamming

baby

> >UGGH if only we would have known then.

> >Thanks in advance for any prevnar links

> >Amy

> >ohio

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>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amy - my webpages !!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/prevnar.htm

why doesn't anyone remember they are there?

And 's and Sandy's?

At 03:35 PM 02/24/2002 EST, you wrote:

>My friend Dr is harrasing her about giving the PREVNAR to her 4 yr old Sh

>come to me for advise i forwarded her what i have on it but i was wondering

>what you all had out there I could send her.

>She is now starting to ? vaccines she has a child that is " SLOW " ran 105

>fevers and developed sever ear infections after her 6 mo shots she asked me

>today Could it be related I said YES!!!!! the poor child also had a knot on

>her leg the size of a small grapefruit and a fever 105. we use to be

>neighbors i remeber her banging on my door at 3 am with this screamming baby

>UGGH if only we would have known then.

>Thanks in advance for any prevnar links

>Amy

>ohio

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Men C vacc, UK http://www.whale.to/v/meningitec.html

Prevnar

Hello....i need to know about the prevnar vaccine and any other

meningitis vaccines out there if there even are any....i have a freind

asking about them and i need something more concrete than what i have.

She works in a cochlear implant program and has a ton of people

asking about it now in lieu of the recent link. Thanks in advance

christina.... xtina@...

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thanks a bunch

-- In Vaccinations@y..., " " <whaleto@b...> wrote:

> http://www.whale.to/v/prevnar.htm

>

> Men C vacc, UK http://www.whale.to/v/meningitec.html

> Prevnar

>

>

> Hello....i need to know about the prevnar vaccine and any other

> meningitis vaccines out there if there even are any....i have a

freind

> asking about them and i need something more concrete than what i

have.

> She works in a cochlear implant program and has a ton of people

> asking about it now in lieu of the recent link. Thanks in advance

> christina.... xtina@r...

>

>

>

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I would not do that....research , research, research....

 Sincerely Noel

From: Muki Jankelowitz <mumakedi@...>

Subject: Prevnar

Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 1:53 PM

Has anyone innoculated for meningitis with prevnar? It's not in the standard

regime but our nurse and doctor suggest it for our younger 18 month NT kid.

All the best

Muki

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My second son (he'll be 3 in November and I've followed the diet while

pregnant/breastfeeding and for the first 2+ years on him, as well as Dr. G's

recommended vaccines schedule) received the " pneumococcal conjugate " (I think

that's what Prevnar is) vaccine at 3, 5, and 7 months old. I took him in on the

" odd " months to space out the vaccines. None of the vaccines he's been given

have had a negative effect. He's beyond " typical " .

I have a sister that contracted (spinal?) meningitius as a teenage and almost

died.

- in Mobile, AL

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Prevnar

Has anyone innoculated for meningitis with prevnar? It's not in the standard

regime but our nurse and doctor suggest it for our younger 18 month NT kid.

All the best

Muki

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I don't do vaccines. My asd son hasn't had a shot since he was 2 and

my nt son hasn't had a shot since he was about 2 months old. If I

had learned more sooner, he wouldn't have had any at all.

Cheryl

On Aug 21, 2008, at 1:58 PM, NOEL SCHNEIDER wrote:

> I would not do that....research , research, research....

>

>

> Sincerely Noel

>

>

>

> From: Muki Jankelowitz <mumakedi@...>

> Subject: Prevnar

>

> Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 1:53 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Has anyone innoculated for meningitis with prevnar? It's not in the

> standard regime but our nurse and doctor suggest it for our younger

> 18 month NT kid.

> All the best

> Muki

> " The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite

> of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. " Elie Wiesel Oct 1986

>

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