RE: problems with humping

[Guest guest]

Mine is a huge humper. He also likes to put his private in the jets of

the jacuzzi. FUNN!!! He tends to love tactile imput across the board so

apparently his private area is no exception... Don't have any

suggestions though. Just thought I would empathize!

Sincerely,

L. Juarez, PhD Candidate, M.S., Marriage and Family Therapist

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Lucy Hardage wrote:

Hello,

We were wondering if anyone has had problems with their children wanting

to " hump " things. We have been trying to break our three year old from

it but it has been tough. ABA therapy has helped some but she she still

has a compulsion to do it. Any suggestions? ?

[Guest guest]

My oldest could spend the whole day playing with his private parts. I can't help

but think of the Woody movie " Annie Hall " when a girl asked Woody (when he

was boy) if he ever went through a latency period. He replied he never had a

latency period. Well, neither did my son.

Jill

 

[Guest guest]

As she gets older it will be easier to teach her not to, but I don't have much

advice.  My only suggestion would be to make sure she doesn't have a yeast

infection - if it's just self-stim, then that will improve.  I tried to be

careful w/my son to not make it a 'nasty' issue, just not something to do where

people can see you - try to view it the same way you would picking your nose,

and let go of the stigma - don't let fear of the behavior impact your way of

handling it (when fear drives my reactions, I don't do nearly as well as if I'm

not upset about something).

FWIW

________________________________

From: Lucy Hardage <granny.lucy@...>

Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:14:59 PM

Subject: problems with " humping "

Hello,

We were wondering if anyone has had problems with their children wanting to

" hump " things. We have been trying to break our three year old from it but it

has been tough. ABA therapy has helped some but she she still has a compulsion

to do it. Any suggestions? ?

[Guest guest]

If it were me, any signs like this and my first investigation would

be into their hormones. I would want to know what their hormones

look like and if they are entering into precocious puberty.

Cheryl

~Check out my blog: http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com/

On Nov 12, 2008, at 4:01 PM, wrote:

> As she gets older it will be easier to teach her not to, but I

> don't have much advice. My only suggestion would be to make sure

> she doesn't have a yeast infection - if it's just self-stim, then

> that will improve. I tried to be careful w/my son to not make it a

> 'nasty' issue, just not something to do where people can see you -

> try to view it the same way you would picking your nose, and let go

> of the stigma - don't let fear of the behavior impact your way of

> handling it (when fear drives my reactions, I don't do nearly as

> well as if I'm not upset about something).

> FWIW

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Lucy Hardage <granny.lucy@...>

>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:14:59 PM

> Subject: problems with " humping "

>

>

> Hello,

>

> We were wondering if anyone has had problems with their children

> wanting to " hump " things. We have been trying to break our three

> year old from it but it has been tough. ABA therapy has helped some

> but she she still has a compulsion to do it. Any suggestions? ?

>

>

[Guest guest]

My daughter also has a tendency to want to hump things also. I try to stop her

by just telling her not to do that. Is this normal or is it medication related?

I never had problems with my other kids doing that so it really surprised me

that she did that. If anyone has any response to it that would be great. Thanks

May Sullivan

---- L Juarez <jamieandsal@...> wrote:

>

> Mine is a huge humper. He also likes to put his private in the jets of

> the jacuzzi. FUNN!!! He tends to love tactile imput across the board so

> apparently his private area is no exception... Don't have any

> suggestions though. Just thought I would empathize!

>

> Sincerely,

>

> L. Juarez, PhD Candidate, M.S., Marriage and Family Therapist

>

> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Lucy Hardage wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> We were wondering if anyone has had problems with their children wanting

> to " hump " things. We have been trying to break our three year old from

> it but it has been tough. ABA therapy has helped some but she she still

> has a compulsion to do it. Any suggestions? ?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe the behavior is normal for our kids. Early on I think NT kids learn

that, although they may want to engage in this behavior, they observe that

others do not and so they don't. With our kids, the social referencing is on the

weak side or nonexistent. Their motto: If it feels good, do it. It's not

different than scratching an itch.

When my son was younger, I engaged him in an activity that was incompatible with

the behavior. Now I quietly ask him to stop and he does. Maturity seemed to help

with this issue.

HTH,

Robyn

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > We were wondering if anyone has had problems with

> their children wanting

> > to " hump " things. We have been trying to

> break our three year old from

> > it but it has been tough. ABA therapy has helped some

> but she she still

> > has a compulsion to do it. Any suggestions? ?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think humping is just a normal childhood occurrence. Especially if she is only

three. Mentally, she may be younger, which would be even more normal. I have

three children. My first (a boy) wasn't a humper at all. My second (a girl)

humped things sometimes but it wasn't a big issue (e.g. did humping motions

against her car seat -- the one with the harness that comes up between the legs

and down from the shoulders and does up at the centre). I just ignored it and

she eventually stopped/grew out of it. My friend's daughter was much worse --

humped the arms of chairs quite a bit but eventually stopped. My third (a boy)

is ASD and he presses himself up against things once in a while, but not a lot,

and I just ignore it. I think that's why I don't see it that often.

Just my two cents.

Rhoda

RE: problems with " humping "

My daughter also has a tendency to want to hump things also. I try to stop her

by just telling her not to do that. Is this normal or is it medication related?

I never had problems with my other kids doing that so it really surprised me

that she did that. If anyone has any response to it that would be great. Thanks

May Sullivan

---- L Juarez <jamieandsal@...> wrote:

>

> Mine is a huge humper. He also likes to put his private in the jets of

> the jacuzzi. FUNN!!! He tends to love tactile imput across the board so

> apparently his private area is no exception... Don't have any

> suggestions though. Just thought I would empathize!

>

> Sincerely,

>

> L. Juarez, PhD Candidate, M.S., Marriage and Family Therapist

>

> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Lucy Hardage wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> We were wondering if anyone has had problems with their children wanting

> to " hump " things. We have been trying to break our three year old from

> it but it has been tough. ABA therapy has helped some but she she still

> has a compulsion to do it. Any suggestions? ?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just some more empathy...I thought we were the only one with this

problem. It is so true that maturity helps. My ASD son is 5 yo and

has been doing this since he was 18 months old. At the time he first

started " humping the floor " , I expressed concern to my pediatrician

who responded " Oh, they (meaning boys) all do that-not to worry.

A year later after that and a new pediatrician, she told me that it

was " ok, just instruct him to do it privately, like in his room " I

was fine with that, however, he did not listen (and I thought he was

just being naughty b/c he had not been diagnosed yet).

We have finally come to a point that we can tell him to " only do it

in your room " and he will listen most of the time(YIPEE).

Just one more thing, my " typical " 6 yo daughter has starting

displaying some of this behavior, and after discussing with other

Moms, have realized that this is fairly typical. At first, my

daughter did not realize it was inappropriate (sorry to be so

graphic, but she was rubbing her privates on stair rails, chairs,so

in her mind it didn't " appear " at first glance that there was

anything wrong with it). Anyways,she knows now that even though

it " feels good " it is not okay to do in public. Occasionally, I

still have to remind her.

Hope that helps a little.

, Robyn & Greg Coggins <rngcoggs@...> wrote:

>

> I believe the behavior is normal for our kids. Early on I think NT

kids learn that, although they may want to engage in this behavior,

they observe that others do not and so they don't. With our kids, the

social referencing is on the weak side or nonexistent. Their motto:

If it feels good, do it. It's not different than scratching an itch.

>

> When my son was younger, I engaged him in an activity that was

incompatible with the behavior. Now I quietly ask him to stop and he

does. Maturity seemed to help with this issue.

>

> HTH,

>

> Robyn

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > We were wondering if anyone has had problems with

> > their children wanting

> > > to " hump " things. We have been trying to

> > break our three year old from

> > > it but it has been tough. ABA therapy has helped some

> > but she she still

> > > has a compulsion to do it. Any suggestions? ?

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hello-

I saw this topic and I just had to comment. Since it is a fairly

taboo subject I am glad to see others bring it up.

Looking back over the years I've had varying degrees of what I'm

positive is the 'Neuroimmune' dysfunction throughout my life.

I am 26 now (male) and I can actually relate with some of the things

you are discussing here on the board.

While I can't speak directly for your children and say this is 'also'

the case with them I can explain from my own point of view that I hope

might shed some 'potential' light on this subject.

I've struggled throughout my entire life with what I now realize is

likely the Neuroimmune dysfunction. I was diagnosed via NeuroSPECT

scan at age 24, however; I can remember vividly having difficulty all

the way back to four years old.

I hadn't begun kindergarten yet, but I remember being preoccupied with

sexual stimuli. However- contrary to what was believed by my mother

at the time- it didn't really 'occur' out of a 'sexual urge' as much

as I found it eased the pain I frequently found myself in. It was

calming. It seemed to be a temporary band-aid to the incredible pain

and unknown 'internal unease' I was feeling. I would complain a lot,

cry about things, have stomach aches very frequently, and was just

generally in a lot of emotional, psychological, and physical pain.

Someone caught me stimulating myself who then told my mother and

father about it. I wasn't even five years old yet, but my mother

became very angry about it. I remember she was even so disgusted by

it she wouldn't even talk to me for what seemed like quite a while. I

remember her telling me that it was 'yucky,' that I DO NOT do that,

that 'Heavenly Father' does NOT like that, and she essentially

wouldn't even talk to me for a while after it. I remember being VERY

UPSET, and tried to follow her to get reassurance that she wasn't

going to leave me or something- I tried pulling on her arm, and tried

to get her to 'acknowledge' me... she just abruptly pulled away

angrily with a great disgust telling me to 'STOP'. I remember crying

over it. I TRULY

and honestly was thinking my Mother and Father didn't love me

anymore. She also did it in front of my four other siblings who then

teased me relentlessly about it for well over a decade after. I was

considered 'gross' by a lot of people in the family. (I come from an

extremely religious background.)

For me this was a TRULY life changing event for me.

So I FIRST want to applaud all of you for handling this delicately-

first and foremost. 'I' personally have appreciation for you all not

over-reacting with this because I can ASSURE you- over-reacting can

cause MUCH, MUCH more damage than any act they are performing.

While I can't speak for any of your children directly I DO KNOW that

for me it was done because I was in this 'vague' unrelenting pain and

discomfort on all levels. I noticed some times and days were worse

than others. I often felt like my 'insides' or central nervous system

was INCREDIBLY over activated. If any of you have ever touched a 9 volt

battery to your tongue you know what that 'tingle' and shock feels

like. Well- the ongoing feeling felt like I had 'that' type of

feeling throughout the base of my brain, spine and nerves most of the

time. It was INCREDIBLY painful and uncomfortable. My parents were

troubled because I would cry a lot, have tantrums, not do well in

school, had a lot of trouble learning- and just generally HATED

school. I would bawl my eyes out not to have to go- simply because I

was in an enormous amount of pain and discomfort.

The troubling thing for me was this. After being 'caught'

humping/sexually stimulating myself, I noticed I continued to do it.

While at that point I now realized (in a young child's mind) that if I

was caught doing anything of that nature I would essentially lose my

parents, and I would essentially go to hell and be stuck with the

internal torment and pain/discomfort I was already experiencing for

all of eternity. (Dramatic, perhaps but it was VERY real in my mind.)

However- I want to point out that I did not continue the sexual

stimulation because I was getting a real 'hedonistic' thrill out of

it, but rather found it dramatically eased the internal pain I was

experiencing and seemed to 'quite' down the 'electrical volt-like'

sensations throughout my central nervous system. I however didn't

know how to explain that I was in pain (it didn't make sense), I would

essentially just cry a

lot, and have angry outbursts. My parents had me start seeing the

school's psych. counselor in Kindergarten. They never were able to

'distinguish' what was wrong with me. On top of that I consistently

had so much anxiety and such over active nerves I felt like I had to

urinate all the time. I would complain to my mother, she would take

me to the restroom and I had nothing to go because my bladder was empty.

I was taken to the doctor and tested for a bladder infection- but that

came back negative. The doctor just wrote it off by telling my mother

it was just 'nerves.'

To make a long story short this theme continued throughout my ENTIRE

life. I believe I've seen well over a dozen counselors, been on 27

separate medications, had tried nearly every treatment available

(except E.C.T.). I have even attempted suicide, and been in a

psych-ward twice. (I was the one that placed myself in the

psych-ward.) I'm not 'insane' I just didn't have any answers!

I actually read one of Dr. Amen's books talking about SPECT scans so I

was in pursuit of the scan when I came down with an unknown virus that

I got incredibly sick from. I had, had periods of severe fatigue in

the past, but nothing permanent. After the virus in 2002, I've had

very bad fatigue, and brain fog ever since- on top of the depression

etc. It just exacerbated all the problems I had previous to its

onset. I eventually

got in a position to get the NeuroSPECT scan and that is when they

came back showing many problems, but specifically a lot of

hypo-perfusion throughout my entire brain. I never abused drugs- so

we were able to rule out damage done from 'substance' abuse, which

essentially left us with a 'Neuroimmunolgical' process taking place-

that was in 2006.

I look back now and things seem to make much more sense than they ever

had before. I have known from the time I was a little child that all

of my sexual stimulating was done as a 'therapeutic' behavior to try

to address the internal pain/over stimulation I was experiencing- but

I never could understand why I was in so much pain, while nobody else

experienced the same thing. For two decades it seemed like the volume

on all my senses was turned WAY up. Sexual stimulating temporarily

helped turn the volume down a little bit. (I'm assuming it is because

of the endorphins (natural pain killers).)

Looking back I have realized that the 'over excitation' I've

experienced within my central nervous system always seemed to be

worsened when I was exposed to dust, dirt, allergens, pet dander and

fur, as well as other things. I've also realized overtime that I am

EXTREMELY sensitive to even the slightest of fumes from paint,

cleaning products, varnishes, new carpet, car pollution, etc. When

these things affect me, I get the similar 'old' feelings of my central

nervous system being violently over stimulated (just like the 9 volt

battery to the tongue). When I avoid them it is amazing how calm and

clear headed I find myself. I am emotionally balanced and I am about

symptom free.

I do PROFOUNDLY better when I avoid and/or limit my exposure to these

things. The effect they have on me is so dramatic it requires being

affected by it personally to fully understand. If a room has been

recently

pained (and I don't even know it) it will often times wind up causing

me to become so exhausted and ill from it I'm laid in bed for days on

end.

I can't say 'my' experiences are the same as your children's but if

they are anything like me, I have realized I don't do a lot better if

I have not removed a lot of the items listed above from my environment

in addition to doing everything else in the protocol.

I hope some of this is helpful...

Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > We were wondering if anyone has had problems with

> > > their children wanting

> > > > to " hump " things. We have been trying to

> > > break our three year old from

> > > > it but it has been tough. ABA therapy has helped some

> > > but�she she still

> > > > has a compulsion to do it. Any suggestions? ?

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

- thank you so much for your honesty and insight. My son has many words

but is

essentially non-verbal and it is always a guessing game to try and figure out

how he is

feeling. I have often thought that things were chaotic on the inside for him

but he didn't

know how to express that or even that he figured that everyone felt like he does

because

he knows nothing else. (if that makes any sense!) I'm so sorry you have

those memories

- childhood and home is supposed to be where you feel safe and loved! I hope

that you

can now get to the bottom of your medical issues and find some peace in your

life!

Thanks again, G

>

> Hello-

>

> I saw this topic and I just had to comment. Since it is a fairly

> taboo subject I am glad to see others bring it up.

>

> Looking back over the years I've had varying degrees of what I'm

> positive is the 'Neuroimmune' dysfunction throughout my life.

>

> I am 26 now (male) and I can actually relate with some of the things

> you are discussing here on the board.

>

> While I can't speak directly for your children and say this is 'also'

> the case with them I can explain from my own point of view that I hope

> might shed some 'potential' light on this subject.

>

> I've struggled throughout my entire life with what I now realize is

> likely the Neuroimmune dysfunction. I was diagnosed via NeuroSPECT

> scan at age 24, however; I can remember vividly having difficulty all

> the way back to four years old.

>

> I hadn't begun kindergarten yet, but I remember being preoccupied with

> sexual stimuli. However- contrary to what was believed by my mother

> at the time- it didn't really 'occur' out of a 'sexual urge' as much

> as I found it eased the pain I frequently found myself in. It was

> calming. It seemed to be a temporary band-aid to the incredible pain

> and unknown 'internal unease' I was feeling. I would complain a lot,

> cry about things, have stomach aches very frequently, and was just

> generally in a lot of emotional, psychological, and physical pain.

> Someone caught me stimulating myself who then told my mother and

> father about it. I wasn't even five years old yet, but my mother

> became very angry about it. I remember she was even so disgusted by

> it she wouldn't even talk to me for what seemed like quite a while. I

> remember her telling me that it was 'yucky,' that I DO NOT do that,

> that 'Heavenly Father' does NOT like that, and she essentially

> wouldn't even talk to me for a while after it. I remember being VERY

> UPSET, and tried to follow her to get reassurance that she wasn't

> going to leave me or something- I tried pulling on her arm, and tried

> to get her to 'acknowledge' me... she just abruptly pulled away

> angrily with a great disgust telling me to 'STOP'. I remember crying

> over it. I TRULY

> and honestly was thinking my Mother and Father didn't love me

> anymore. She also did it in front of my four other siblings who then

> teased me relentlessly about it for well over a decade after. I was

> considered 'gross' by a lot of people in the family. (I come from an

> extremely religious background.)

>

> For me this was a TRULY life changing event for me.

>

> So I FIRST want to applaud all of you for handling this delicately-

> first and foremost. 'I' personally have appreciation for you all not

> over-reacting with this because I can ASSURE you- over-reacting can

> cause MUCH, MUCH more damage than any act they are performing.

>

> While I can't speak for any of your children directly I DO KNOW that

> for me it was done because I was in this 'vague' unrelenting pain and

> discomfort on all levels. I noticed some times and days were worse

> than others. I often felt like my 'insides' or central nervous system

> was INCREDIBLY over activated. If any of you have ever touched a 9 volt

> battery to your tongue you know what that 'tingle' and shock feels

> like. Well- the ongoing feeling felt like I had 'that' type of

> feeling throughout the base of my brain, spine and nerves most of the

> time. It was INCREDIBLY painful and uncomfortable. My parents were

> troubled because I would cry a lot, have tantrums, not do well in

> school, had a lot of trouble learning- and just generally HATED

> school. I would bawl my eyes out not to have to go- simply because I

> was in an enormous amount of pain and discomfort.

>

> The troubling thing for me was this. After being 'caught'

> humping/sexually stimulating myself, I noticed I continued to do it.

> While at that point I now realized (in a young child's mind) that if I

> was caught doing anything of that nature I would essentially lose my

> parents, and I would essentially go to hell and be stuck with the

> internal torment and pain/discomfort I was already experiencing for

> all of eternity. (Dramatic, perhaps but it was VERY real in my mind.)

> However- I want to point out that I did not continue the sexual

> stimulation because I was getting a real 'hedonistic' thrill out of

> it, but rather found it dramatically eased the internal pain I was

> experiencing and seemed to 'quite' down the 'electrical volt-like'

> sensations throughout my central nervous system. I however didn't

> know how to explain that I was in pain (it didn't make sense), I would

> essentially just cry a

> lot, and have angry outbursts. My parents had me start seeing the

> school's psych. counselor in Kindergarten. They never were able to

> 'distinguish' what was wrong with me. On top of that I consistently

> had so much anxiety and such over active nerves I felt like I had to

> urinate all the time. I would complain to my mother, she would take

> me to the restroom and I had nothing to go because my bladder was empty.

>

> I was taken to the doctor and tested for a bladder infection- but that

> came back negative. The doctor just wrote it off by telling my mother

> it was just 'nerves.'

>

> To make a long story short this theme continued throughout my ENTIRE

> life. I believe I've seen well over a dozen counselors, been on 27

> separate medications, had tried nearly every treatment available

> (except E.C.T.). I have even attempted suicide, and been in a

> psych-ward twice. (I was the one that placed myself in the

> psych-ward.) I'm not 'insane' I just didn't have any answers!

>

> I actually read one of Dr. Amen's books talking about SPECT scans so I

> was in pursuit of the scan when I came down with an unknown virus that

> I got incredibly sick from. I had, had periods of severe fatigue in

> the past, but nothing permanent. After the virus in 2002, I've had

> very bad fatigue, and brain fog ever since- on top of the depression

> etc. It just exacerbated all the problems I had previous to its

> onset. I eventually

> got in a position to get the NeuroSPECT scan and that is when they

> came back showing many problems, but specifically a lot of

> hypo-perfusion throughout my entire brain. I never abused drugs- so

> we were able to rule out damage done from 'substance' abuse, which

> essentially left us with a 'Neuroimmunolgical' process taking place-

> that was in 2006.

>

> I look back now and things seem to make much more sense than they ever

> had before. I have known from the time I was a little child that all

> of my sexual stimulating was done as a 'therapeutic' behavior to try

> to address the internal pain/over stimulation I was experiencing- but

> I never could understand why I was in so much pain, while nobody else

> experienced the same thing. For two decades it seemed like the volume

> on all my senses was turned WAY up. Sexual stimulating temporarily

> helped turn the volume down a little bit. (I'm assuming it is because

> of the endorphins (natural pain killers).)

>

> Looking back I have realized that the 'over excitation' I've

> experienced within my central nervous system always seemed to be

> worsened when I was exposed to dust, dirt, allergens, pet dander and

> fur, as well as other things. I've also realized overtime that I am

> EXTREMELY sensitive to even the slightest of fumes from paint,

> cleaning products, varnishes, new carpet, car pollution, etc. When

> these things affect me, I get the similar 'old' feelings of my central

> nervous system being violently over stimulated (just like the 9 volt

> battery to the tongue). When I avoid them it is amazing how calm and

> clear headed I find myself. I am emotionally balanced and I am about

> symptom free.

>

> I do PROFOUNDLY better when I avoid and/or limit my exposure to these

> things. The effect they have on me is so dramatic it requires being

> affected by it personally to fully understand. If a room has been

> recently

> pained (and I don't even know it) it will often times wind up causing

> me to become so exhausted and ill from it I'm laid in bed for days on

> end.

>

>

> I can't say 'my' experiences are the same as your children's but if

> they are anything like me, I have realized I don't do a lot better if

> I have not removed a lot of the items listed above from my environment

> in addition to doing everything else in the protocol.

>

>

> I hope some of this is helpful...

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I really appreciate that - thank you for the comments.

-

> >

> > Hello-

> >

> > I saw this topic and I just had to comment. Since it is a fairly

> > taboo subject I am glad to see others bring it up.

> >

> > Looking back over the years I've had varying degrees of what I'm

> > positive is the 'Neuroimmune' dysfunction throughout my life.

> >

> > I am 26 now (male) and I can actually relate with some of the things

> > you are discussing here on the board.

> >

> > While I can't speak directly for your children and say this is 'also'

> > the case with them I can explain from my own point of view that I hope

> > might shed some 'potential' light on this subject.

> >

> > I've struggled throughout my entire life with what I now realize is

> > likely the Neuroimmune dysfunction. I was diagnosed via NeuroSPECT

> > scan at age 24, however; I can remember vividly having difficulty all

> > the way back to four years old.

> >

> > I hadn't begun kindergarten yet, but I remember being preoccupied with

> > sexual stimuli. However- contrary to what was believed by my mother

> > at the time- it didn't really 'occur' out of a 'sexual urge' as much

> > as I found it eased the pain I frequently found myself in. It was

> > calming. It seemed to be a temporary band-aid to the incredible pain

> > and unknown 'internal unease' I was feeling. I would complain a lot,

> > cry about things, have stomach aches very frequently, and was just

> > generally in a lot of emotional, psychological, and physical pain.

> > Someone caught me stimulating myself who then told my mother and

> > father about it. I wasn't even five years old yet, but my mother

> > became very angry about it. I remember she was even so disgusted by

> > it she wouldn't even talk to me for what seemed like quite a while. I

> > remember her telling me that it was 'yucky,' that I DO NOT do that,

> > that 'Heavenly Father' does NOT like that, and she essentially

> > wouldn't even talk to me for a while after it. I remember being VERY

> > UPSET, and tried to follow her to get reassurance that she wasn't

> > going to leave me or something- I tried pulling on her arm, and tried

> > to get her to 'acknowledge' me... she just abruptly pulled away

> > angrily with a great disgust telling me to 'STOP'. I remember crying

> > over it. I TRULY

> > and honestly was thinking my Mother and Father didn't love me

> > anymore. She also did it in front of my four other siblings who then

> > teased me relentlessly about it for well over a decade after. I was

> > considered 'gross' by a lot of people in the family. (I come from an

> > extremely religious background.)

> >

> > For me this was a TRULY life changing event for me.

> >

> > So I FIRST want to applaud all of you for handling this delicately-

> > first and foremost. 'I' personally have appreciation for you all not

> > over-reacting with this because I can ASSURE you- over-reacting can

> > cause MUCH, MUCH more damage than any act they are performing.

> >

> > While I can't speak for any of your children directly I DO KNOW that

> > for me it was done because I was in this 'vague' unrelenting pain and

> > discomfort on all levels. I noticed some times and days were worse

> > than others. I often felt like my 'insides' or central nervous system

> > was INCREDIBLY over activated. If any of you have ever touched a

9 volt

> > battery to your tongue you know what that 'tingle' and shock feels

> > like. Well- the ongoing feeling felt like I had 'that' type of

> > feeling throughout the base of my brain, spine and nerves most of the

> > time. It was INCREDIBLY painful and uncomfortable. My parents were

> > troubled because I would cry a lot, have tantrums, not do well in

> > school, had a lot of trouble learning- and just generally HATED

> > school. I would bawl my eyes out not to have to go- simply because I

> > was in an enormous amount of pain and discomfort.

> >

> > The troubling thing for me was this. After being 'caught'

> > humping/sexually stimulating myself, I noticed I continued to do it.

> > While at that point I now realized (in a young child's mind) that if I

> > was caught doing anything of that nature I would essentially lose my

> > parents, and I would essentially go to hell and be stuck with the

> > internal torment and pain/discomfort I was already experiencing for

> > all of eternity. (Dramatic, perhaps but it was VERY real in my

mind.)

> > However- I want to point out that I did not continue the sexual

> > stimulation because I was getting a real 'hedonistic' thrill out of

> > it, but rather found it dramatically eased the internal pain I was

> > experiencing and seemed to 'quite' down the 'electrical volt-like'

> > sensations throughout my central nervous system. I however didn't

> > know how to explain that I was in pain (it didn't make sense), I would

> > essentially just cry a

> > lot, and have angry outbursts. My parents had me start seeing the

> > school's psych. counselor in Kindergarten. They never were able to

> > 'distinguish' what was wrong with me. On top of that I consistently

> > had so much anxiety and such over active nerves I felt like I had to

> > urinate all the time. I would complain to my mother, she would take

> > me to the restroom and I had nothing to go because my bladder was

empty.

> >

> > I was taken to the doctor and tested for a bladder infection- but that

> > came back negative. The doctor just wrote it off by telling my mother

> > it was just 'nerves.'

> >

> > To make a long story short this theme continued throughout my ENTIRE

> > life. I believe I've seen well over a dozen counselors, been on 27

> > separate medications, had tried nearly every treatment available

> > (except E.C.T.). I have even attempted suicide, and been in a

> > psych-ward twice. (I was the one that placed myself in the

> > psych-ward.) I'm not 'insane' I just didn't have any answers!

> >

> > I actually read one of Dr. Amen's books talking about SPECT scans so I

> > was in pursuit of the scan when I came down with an unknown virus that

> > I got incredibly sick from. I had, had periods of severe fatigue in

> > the past, but nothing permanent. After the virus in 2002, I've had

> > very bad fatigue, and brain fog ever since- on top of the depression

> > etc. It just exacerbated all the problems I had previous to its

> > onset. I eventually

> > got in a position to get the NeuroSPECT scan and that is when they

> > came back showing many problems, but specifically a lot of

> > hypo-perfusion throughout my entire brain. I never abused drugs- so

> > we were able to rule out damage done from 'substance' abuse, which

> > essentially left us with a 'Neuroimmunolgical' process taking place-

> > that was in 2006.

> >

> > I look back now and things seem to make much more sense than they ever

> > had before. I have known from the time I was a little child that all

> > of my sexual stimulating was done as a 'therapeutic' behavior to try

> > to address the internal pain/over stimulation I was experiencing- but

> > I never could understand why I was in so much pain, while nobody else

> > experienced the same thing. For two decades it seemed like the volume

> > on all my senses was turned WAY up. Sexual stimulating temporarily

> > helped turn the volume down a little bit. (I'm assuming it is because

> > of the endorphins (natural pain killers).)

> >

> > Looking back I have realized that the 'over excitation' I've

> > experienced within my central nervous system always seemed to be

> > worsened when I was exposed to dust, dirt, allergens, pet dander and

> > fur, as well as other things. I've also realized overtime that I am

> > EXTREMELY sensitive to even the slightest of fumes from paint,

> > cleaning products, varnishes, new carpet, car pollution, etc. When

> > these things affect me, I get the similar 'old' feelings of my central

> > nervous system being violently over stimulated (just like the 9 volt

> > battery to the tongue). When I avoid them it is amazing how calm and

> > clear headed I find myself. I am emotionally balanced and I am about

> > symptom free.

> >

> > I do PROFOUNDLY better when I avoid and/or limit my exposure to these

> > things. The effect they have on me is so dramatic it requires being

> > affected by it personally to fully understand. If a room has been

> > recently

> > pained (and I don't even know it) it will often times wind up causing

> > me to become so exhausted and ill from it I'm laid in bed for days on

> > end.

> >

> >

> > I can't say 'my' experiences are the same as your children's but if

> > they are anything like me, I have realized I don't do a lot better if

> > I have not removed a lot of the items listed above from my environment

> > in addition to doing everything else in the protocol.

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> > I hope some of this is helpful...

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> > Thanks,

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