Guest guest Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Hi barbara, Candida can give a unpleasant herx...no doubt, but I believe it is probably the bart. that is causing the leg/shin pain. Also, the sweats I would say is at least in part due to babs and like you said...the other your meds taper!...This is my opinion. Jodie L. > > Hi, > > i coiled for candida, as i have many times. this one was a longer session > though. this was 3 days ago and i seem to be getting sicker. nausea, > fatigue, sweats and pain at night, although that has been an ongoing thing > as i reduce the valium. > > anyone else had a bad herx from coiling for candida. what was yours like? > > also, because i am getting no where coiling for bart and babs, i have > stopped for a while. i have been coiling for over 2 yrs and seem to always > plateau out to no more herx after several wks, then months later, stopping, > but then herx again when i start coiling again for it. it was suggested to > me that i stop the bart and babs and try working on lyme for a while, then > return to bart and babs to see if i have better herxes after reducing some > lyme. this sounds like sound advice. > > my ? is, could the bart and babs be making me sick while not coiling for > only 4-5 days? never got this sick before when i quit for a while. i have, > however, noticed my shins slightly aching. > > or could it just be just the candida herx? nausea seems to be my worst > symptom. when in the past i was on abx, when i started getting nauseated > and feeling 'sick' it was candida ramping up. i would go on nystatin and > it would calm down. soooooo??? > > what does anyone think? > > barbara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 jodie,so you think that just a few days stopping coiling on bart and babs could cause this much nausea and 'sick' feeling. i have done it before as i said and never experienced it this bad. for me, nausea did come with a bart herx when we treated with rifampin, but usually the nausea like this comes with candida herx. i would coil for bart now just to see, but i hate to add to the herx. maybe in a couple days it will clear if a herx, if bart/babs, it will just get worse. i knew the shin pain is bart but that is very new-before i quit coiling for it, and other than that i just don't feel any other herx while treating for bart. maybe my count is low enough to only give small things like that. talked with a couple others and they said that you can plateau on these, treat lyme for a while and then come back and herx pretty good for the co. so i thought i would try to experiment because after 2 1/2 yrs of treating for them, i still can't get rid of them. get to no herxing, keep treating to make sure, quit, retreat and herx. weird. i need to get beyond just these two because i'm just spinning my wheels here. one plan is to coil 15 sec. for lyme, wait 3 days, coil for bart, wait for 3 + days and do lyme again, and repeat. treating for bart just to keep it down while getting rid of some of the lyme. and again, it seemed to start after i did an aggressive coil for candida. so will see.thxbarbara Hi barbara, Candida can give a unpleasant herx...no doubt, but I believe it is probably the bart. that is causing the leg/shin pain. Also, the sweats I would say is at least in part due to babs and like you said...the other your meds taper!...This is my opinion. Jodie L. > > Hi, > > i coiled for candida, as i have many times. this one was a longer session > though. this was 3 days ago and i seem to be getting sicker. nausea, > fatigue, sweats and pain at night, although that has been an ongoing thing > as i reduce the valium. > > anyone else had a bad herx from coiling for candida. what was yours like? > > also, because i am getting no where coiling for bart and babs, i have > stopped for a while. i have been coiling for over 2 yrs and seem to always > plateau out to no more herx after several wks, then months later, stopping, > but then herx again when i start coiling again for it. it was suggested to > me that i stop the bart and babs and try working on lyme for a while, then > return to bart and babs to see if i have better herxes after reducing some > lyme. this sounds like sound advice. > > my ? is, could the bart and babs be making me sick while not coiling for > only 4-5 days? never got this sick before when i quit for a while. i have, > however, noticed my shins slightly aching. > > or could it just be just the candida herx? nausea seems to be my worst > symptom. when in the past i was on abx, when i started getting nauseated > and feeling 'sick' it was candida ramping up. i would go on nystatin and > it would calm down. soooooo??? > > what does anyone think? > > barbara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Barbara, it is all tricky when u have multiple infections. It could possible be you have hit another layer and another illness is showing it's face. I think you have a good game plan! Wait a couple days and see if it passes....No need to add to the herx. If it doesn't and it does seem like bart/babs...coil for that. If not try the lyme frequency. I think I remember you saying you had other infections as well. Remember diseases are often layered and trying to figure out the layers can be tough. When my practitioner tested my layers, bart. was (dominating), and babs and parasites where in my 1st layer my immune system was dealing with also. I was 100percent in agreement and comfortable with the assessment as I had already concluded that myself. Now, I also have herpes/and shingle flares from time to time, and that really messes with symptoms. Then after I break out it's obvious why things were so different. It can be pretty complex. That is why MMS or another broad spectrum killer is good to add in with the coil. You are still doing the MMS? Anyways....I haven't coiled, but from what I have learned on here, sounds like u have good game plan! I would use the coil on illnesses and the MMS for the " other " junk. I think bart. is nasty and very rapid. Even with all the MMS I was doing 20 oral drops, and bath and homeopathy immune supports the bart. got worse The MMS was most likely hitting other stuff. Anyways, I'm sure others more knowledgeable will chime in. Jodie L. > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > i coiled for candida, as i have many times. this one was a longer session > > > though. this was 3 days ago and i seem to be getting sicker. nausea, > > > fatigue, sweats and pain at night, although that has been an ongoing > > thing > > > as i reduce the valium. > > > > > > anyone else had a bad herx from coiling for candida. what was yours like? > > > > > > also, because i am getting no where coiling for bart and babs, i have > > > stopped for a while. i have been coiling for over 2 yrs and seem to > > always > > > plateau out to no more herx after several wks, then months later, > > stopping, > > > but then herx again when i start coiling again for it. it was suggested > > to > > > me that i stop the bart and babs and try working on lyme for a while, > > then > > > return to bart and babs to see if i have better herxes after reducing > > some > > > lyme. this sounds like sound advice. > > > > > > my ? is, could the bart and babs be making me sick while not coiling for > > > only 4-5 days? never got this sick before when i quit for a while. i > > have, > > > however, noticed my shins slightly aching. > > > > > > or could it just be just the candida herx? nausea seems to be my worst > > > symptom. when in the past i was on abx, when i started getting nauseated > > > and feeling 'sick' it was candida ramping up. i would go on nystatin and > > > it would calm down. soooooo??? > > > > > > what does anyone think? > > > > > > barbara > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 thanks jodieyes, doing mms, but had to reduce it because i was not using enough water with 3 drops at a time. the citic acid was burning my esophagus and stomach. learned the hard way to take it with plenty of water. lower dose for a while, but yes still taking it. i don't know how you and others do bath, and oral. when i did 3 drops on my skin 3 days in a row i really herxed for 3 wks. i only do 1 every couple of days on my skin now. you guys are sure tough. i understand the layer thing. just wish i had a dr. to figure it out for me. almost afraid what will raise it's ugly head though. i do know some of the other bugs by lab tests. ebv-high counts, myco pn. chl. pn-very high counts, candida-ever present. did a coil challenge for xmrv and myco ferm. when john s. said most of us have it and i herxed with them also. lyme, of course. the bart and babs never came up on lab tests, but symptomatic clinical dx the dr said yes, and i herx with them when i first treat. one other dr. said elrichia, but i never herxed on that one so??? whatever else there is i have no idea. don't know if i have enough yrs left to get them all. but maybe getting the big 'buggers' would help some right now. i'll wait a couple days and see if this is a herx or not. seems like it is, and has been like others i've had for candida--at least hope it is. leave for vacation next sat. and would like those days to be better. hopefully it will be warm in vegas and i can sit by the pool this yr. it was cold last yr in may-believe it or not. well thx for the help. my plan came from 2 reliable sources, both agreeing without the other knowing it. and you agree--so what more reassurance could i ask for.thx again, barbara Barbara, it is all tricky when u have multiple infections. It could possible be you have hit another layer and another illness is showing it's face. I think you have a good game plan! Wait a couple days and see if it passes....No need to add to the herx. If it doesn't and it does seem like bart/babs...coil for that. If not try the lyme frequency. I think I remember you saying you had other infections as well. Remember diseases are often layered and trying to figure out the layers can be tough. When my practitioner tested my layers, bart. was (dominating), and babs and parasites where in my 1st layer my immune system was dealing with also. I was 100percent in agreement and comfortable with the assessment as I had already concluded that myself. Now, I also have herpes/and shingle flares from time to time, and that really messes with symptoms. Then after I break out it's obvious why things were so different. It can be pretty complex. That is why MMS or another broad spectrum killer is good to add in with the coil. You are still doing the MMS? Anyways....I haven't coiled, but from what I have learned on here, sounds like u have good game plan! I would use the coil on illnesses and the MMS for the " other " junk. I think bart. is nasty and very rapid. Even with all the MMS I was doing 20 oral drops, and bath and homeopathy immune supports the bart. got worse The MMS was most likely hitting other stuff. Anyways, I'm sure others more knowledgeable will chime in. Jodie L. > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > i coiled for candida, as i have many times. this one was a longer session > > > though. this was 3 days ago and i seem to be getting sicker. nausea, > > > fatigue, sweats and pain at night, although that has been an ongoing > > thing > > > as i reduce the valium. > > > > > > anyone else had a bad herx from coiling for candida. what was yours like? > > > > > > also, because i am getting no where coiling for bart and babs, i have > > > stopped for a while. i have been coiling for over 2 yrs and seem to > > always > > > plateau out to no more herx after several wks, then months later, > > stopping, > > > but then herx again when i start coiling again for it. it was suggested > > to > > > me that i stop the bart and babs and try working on lyme for a while, > > then > > > return to bart and babs to see if i have better herxes after reducing > > some > > > lyme. this sounds like sound advice. > > > > > > my ? is, could the bart and babs be making me sick while not coiling for > > > only 4-5 days? never got this sick before when i quit for a while. i > > have, > > > however, noticed my shins slightly aching. > > > > > > or could it just be just the candida herx? nausea seems to be my worst > > > symptom. when in the past i was on abx, when i started getting nauseated > > > and feeling 'sick' it was candida ramping up. i would go on nystatin and > > > it would calm down. soooooo??? > > > > > > what does anyone think? > > > > > > barbara > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Hi Barbara , candida iswell known to carry neurotoxines andneed abordbants in the intestine cholestepur eor cholestyramine or welchol . each have hsi own herx according to our pathway and where are the load of pathogens if you began recentlyor increased recentlly MMS then it is time to decrease of a few drops to stay in th envelopp of what yoru body can detoc until you can do more thne you would have ramped up too fast Kindly Marie To: lyme_and_rife <lyme_and_rife > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:18 PMSubject: candida herx Hi, i coiled for candida, as i have many times. this one was a longer session though. this was 3 days ago and i seem to be getting sicker. nausea, fatigue, sweats and pain at night, although that has been an ongoing thing as i reduce the valium. anyone else had a bad herx from coiling for candida. what was yours like? also, because i am getting no where coiling for bart and babs, i have stopped for a while. i have been coiling for over 2 yrs and seem to always plateau out to no more herx after several wks, then months later, stopping, but then herx again when i start coiling again for it. it was suggested to me that i stop the bart and babs and try working on lyme for a while, then return to bart and babs to see if i have better herxes after reducing some lyme. this sounds like sound advice. my ? is, could the bart and babs be making me sick while not coiling for only 4-5 days? never got this sick before when i quit for a while. i have, however, noticed my shins slightly aching. or could it just be just the candida herx? nausea seems to be my worst symptom. when in the past i was on abx, when i started getting nauseated and feeling 'sick' it was candida ramping up. i would go on nystatin and it would calm down. soooooo??? what does anyone think? barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 thanks marie, already reduced the mms. but with this current herx it is not the mms. it was the citric acid that caused the irritation because i didn't use enough water with it. so am staying at a lower intake to let the acid damage heal. know better now. also, stopped any skin application because that really makes me herx and want this to pass first. i think what i'm dealing with right now is the candida herx. because i did a significant treatment with the d. coil the day before i started feeling the nausea etc. i am feeling a tiny bit better today, not as much nausea. still sweating a lot though and very tired. just want it to pass before vacation time next wk. i think it will. the only thing i can use is the glucammanon (sp) because it doesn't increase the constipation. so am using that.thanks for you inputbarbara Hi Barbara , candida iswell known to carry neurotoxines andneed abordbants in the intestine cholestepur eor cholestyramine or welchol . each have hsi own herx according to our pathway and where are the load of pathogens if you began recentlyor increased recentlly MMS then it is time to decrease of a few drops to stay in th envelopp of what yoru body can detoc until you can do more thne you would have ramped up too fast Kindly Marie To: lyme_and_rife <lyme_and_rife > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:18 PM Subject: candida herx Hi, i coiled for candida, as i have many times. this one was a longer session though. this was 3 days ago and i seem to be getting sicker. nausea, fatigue, sweats and pain at night, although that has been an ongoing thing as i reduce the valium. anyone else had a bad herx from coiling for candida. what was yours like? also, because i am getting no where coiling for bart and babs, i have stopped for a while. i have been coiling for over 2 yrs and seem to always plateau out to no more herx after several wks, then months later, stopping, but then herx again when i start coiling again for it. it was suggested to me that i stop the bart and babs and try working on lyme for a while, then return to bart and babs to see if i have better herxes after reducing some lyme. this sounds like sound advice. my ? is, could the bart and babs be making me sick while not coiling for only 4-5 days? never got this sick before when i quit for a while. i have, however, noticed my shins slightly aching. or could it just be just the candida herx? nausea seems to be my worst symptom. when in the past i was on abx, when i started getting nauseated and feeling 'sick' it was candida ramping up. i would go on nystatin and it would calm down. soooooo??? what does anyone think? barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 jodie, marie,it was a herx. i'm doing better as the day goes on. very relieved. found out there seems to be a lot of candida in my system. so glad i know and have a way to get them. maybe do another short treatment or two before i leave, but nothing like the other day. just enough to keep up a very slow kill. then will start on lyme when i get back from vacation.. also, will work on some new freq. for bart in between the lyme herxes. i am excited to have a new plan of action, hoping this works this time. learned so much about having to switch to other bugs and then come back to what stopped working. interesting how that works. thanks for your helpbarbara thanks marie, already reduced the mms. but with this current herx it is not the mms. it was the citric acid that caused the irritation because i didn't use enough water with it. so am staying at a lower intake to let the acid damage heal. know better now. also, stopped any skin application because that really makes me herx and want this to pass first. i think what i'm dealing with right now is the candida herx. because i did a significant treatment with the d. coil the day before i started feeling the nausea etc. i am feeling a tiny bit better today, not as much nausea. still sweating a lot though and very tired. just want it to pass before vacation time next wk. i think it will. the only thing i can use is the glucammanon (sp) because it doesn't increase the constipation. so am using that.thanks for you inputbarbara Hi Barbara , candida iswell known to carry neurotoxines andneed abordbants in the intestine cholestepur eor cholestyramine or welchol . each have hsi own herx according to our pathway and where are the load of pathogens if you began recentlyor increased recentlly MMS then it is time to decrease of a few drops to stay in th envelopp of what yoru body can detoc until you can do more thne you would have ramped up too fast Kindly Marie To: lyme_and_rife <lyme_and_rife > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:18 PM Subject: candida herx Hi, i coiled for candida, as i have many times. this one was a longer session though. this was 3 days ago and i seem to be getting sicker. nausea, fatigue, sweats and pain at night, although that has been an ongoing thing as i reduce the valium. anyone else had a bad herx from coiling for candida. what was yours like? also, because i am getting no where coiling for bart and babs, i have stopped for a while. i have been coiling for over 2 yrs and seem to always plateau out to no more herx after several wks, then months later, stopping, but then herx again when i start coiling again for it. it was suggested to me that i stop the bart and babs and try working on lyme for a while, then return to bart and babs to see if i have better herxes after reducing some lyme. this sounds like sound advice. my ? is, could the bart and babs be making me sick while not coiling for only 4-5 days? never got this sick before when i quit for a while. i have, however, noticed my shins slightly aching. or could it just be just the candida herx? nausea seems to be my worst symptom. when in the past i was on abx, when i started getting nauseated and feeling 'sick' it was candida ramping up. i would go on nystatin and it would calm down. soooooo??? what does anyone think? barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Barbara, That's awesome! I have been thinking about you today, hoping you would find a way to continue forward in your journey! Great news! Jodie L. > > > >> ** > >> > >> > >> Hi Barbara , > >> candida iswell known to carry neurotoxines andneed abordbants in the > >> intestine cholestepur eor cholestyramine or welchol . > >> each have hsi own herx according to our pathway and where are the load of > >> pathogens > >> if you began recentlyor increased recentlly MMS then it is time to > >> decrease of a few drops to stay in th envelopp of what yoru body can detoc > >> until you can do more > >> thne you would have ramped up too fast > >> Kindly Marie > >> > >> *From:* Barbara Pierce > >> *To:* lyme_and_rife <lyme_and_rife > > >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:18 PM > >> *Subject:* candida herx > >> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> i coiled for candida, as i have many times. this one was a longer > >> session though. this was 3 days ago and i seem to be getting sicker. > >> nausea, fatigue, sweats and pain at night, although that has been an > >> ongoing thing as i reduce the valium. > >> > >> anyone else had a bad herx from coiling for candida. what was yours like? > >> > >> also, because i am getting no where coiling for bart and babs, i have > >> stopped for a while. i have been coiling for over 2 yrs and seem to always > >> plateau out to no more herx after several wks, then months later, stopping, > >> but then herx again when i start coiling again for it. it was suggested to > >> me that i stop the bart and babs and try working on lyme for a while, then > >> return to bart and babs to see if i have better herxes after reducing some > >> lyme. this sounds like sound advice. > >> > >> my ? is, could the bart and babs be making me sick while not coiling for > >> only 4-5 days? never got this sick before when i quit for a while. i have, > >> however, noticed my shins slightly aching. > >> > >> or could it just be just the candida herx? nausea seems to be my worst > >> symptom. when in the past i was on abx, when i started getting nauseated > >> and feeling 'sick' it was candida ramping up. i would go on nystatin and > >> it would calm down. soooooo??? > >> > >> what does anyone think? > >> > >> barbara > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Hi Everyone, I've been really busy the last few days, and haven't been able to fit in email! But I still care ... As soon as I get some time, I will catch up with what you have all been writing. Barbara, I'm sure you'll feel better before time to leave on your vacation! I haven't even tried mms (mainly because i use a lot of vitamin C), and don't use a coil, either (GB 4000). So I don't have experience to comment helpfully about this subject. But when I'm down, it's really hard to tell whether it's a relapse or a herx. Being non-functional is really frustrating. But so is being too busy. I guess i'd rather be too busy, but I'm sorry I haven't been keeping up. I'll get back to it, though. Just checking in briefly before bedtime ... good night, Khaya > > > > > >> ** > > >> > > >> > > >> Hi Barbara , > > >> candida iswell known to carry neurotoxines andneed abordbants in the > > >> intestine cholestepur eor cholestyramine or welchol . > > >> each have hsi own herx according to our pathway and where are the load of > > >> pathogens > > >> if you began recentlyor increased recentlly MMS then it is time to > > >> decrease of a few drops to stay in th envelopp of what yoru body can detoc > > >> until you can do more > > >> thne you would have ramped up too fast > > >> Kindly Marie > > >> > > >> *From:* Barbara Pierce <gmaoceans@> > > >> *To:* lyme_and_rife <lyme_and_rife > > > >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:18 PM > > >> *Subject:* candida herx > > >> > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> i coiled for candida, as i have many times. this one was a longer > > >> session though. this was 3 days ago and i seem to be getting sicker. > > >> nausea, fatigue, sweats and pain at night, although that has been an > > >> ongoing thing as i reduce the valium. > > >> > > >> anyone else had a bad herx from coiling for candida. what was yours like? > > >> > > >> also, because i am getting no where coiling for bart and babs, i have > > >> stopped for a while. i have been coiling for over 2 yrs and seem to always > > >> plateau out to no more herx after several wks, then months later, stopping, > > >> but then herx again when i start coiling again for it. it was suggested to > > >> me that i stop the bart and babs and try working on lyme for a while, then > > >> return to bart and babs to see if i have better herxes after reducing some > > >> lyme. this sounds like sound advice. > > >> > > >> my ? is, could the bart and babs be making me sick while not coiling for > > >> only 4-5 days? never got this sick before when i quit for a while. i have, > > >> however, noticed my shins slightly aching. > > >> > > >> or could it just be just the candida herx? nausea seems to be my worst > > >> symptom. when in the past i was on abx, when i started getting nauseated > > >> and feeling 'sick' it was candida ramping up. i would go on nystatin and > > >> it would calm down. soooooo??? > > >> > > >> what does anyone think? > > >> > > >> barbara > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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