Guest guest Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Hi Kim,Whatever frx you use, try misting colloidal silver up your nose. It knocked out my chronic sinus stuff for good.Also 25,000 units of beta-carotene daily helped before i discovered CS.Be well,Léna in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to try first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it for sinus infection. kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Kim, this is exactly the big challenge with the CAFL. Assuming that you are an experienced rifer and are ready for trying a new frequency, there's a few things to consider. 1. Is the frequency you are considering also listed as a lyme/co frequency? Would it overload you to treat an infection with two fx? 2. Is there a star by the frequency? These are more strongly supported. 3. Are there other symptoms you have that you might be able to build a symptom picture and make a good guess about what infection? 4. Is it a general frequency that is good for many things? For example, 880 is one like that. 5. What else does this frequency supposedly treat? Speaking personally, I would muscle test all the frequencies I wanted to consider, and this has worked very well. For me, the infections that act up as sinus type symptoms are the following with the main fx I use in parenthesis: klebsiella pneumonia (818 Hz), mycoplasma pneumonia (776.7 Hz), babesia (570 Hz), chlamydia pneumonia (479). Occasionally it is from something else. Another remedy that works very well for me for sinus symptoms is saline rinses. Sherry > > > in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to try first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it for sinus infection. > > kim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Lena, Do you just put CS in a spray bottle & then put in a couple sprays once a day or what? I have been wanting to ask about Argentyn 23 hydrosol silver or even the next weaker Sovereign Silver. Do they work like antibiotics & make more cysts? The man at Argentyn 23 said they do not. I'm afraid of more heavy metals with it, but again he said they do not contribute to that. If you take CS, how do you coordinate it with rifing so as not to get too much of a herx? Do you know if the silver has to be taken apart from probiotics & if so, about how long? Thanks much. Susie > > > in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to try > first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it for > sinus infection. > > kim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Hi Susie, Since you are using MMS, if you also use CS, you will be using up your MMS on CS as it is a heavy metal, MMS oxidizes heavy metals... the object of using MMS is to oxidize pathogens and heavy metals... Take care, Jim > > > > > > in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to try > > first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it for > > sinus infection. > > > > kim > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Jim, I was taking mms but had to stop for 6 days to do a stool test. I had taken the Argentyn 23 silver before I started with mms, & was debating whether to try it again. It seems like alot of people on this forum use the CS successfully & I was hoping to get some feedback from those that do or did use it. I was told to take it continually, but in Rosner's book I think he says to rotate antibiotics & I assume that means CS too. I was just wondering how to incorporate that with the rifing so as to get the best outcome. Thanks. Susie > > > > > > > > > in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to try > > > first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it for > > > sinus infection. > > > > > > kim > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Lena, When you started with CS, how much did you take? The Argentyn 23 rep said 5 tsps daily should be taken for lyme, but that sounds like alot to me. They also said their CS wouldn't turn a person blue. If you've taken it for 6 years and haven't turned blue, it must be ok to take. So CS is also safe to put in the eyes & ears? I have ocular rosacea that bothers me constantly so that is something I could try. I just have to decide whether I am going to take MMS or CS, because I can't do both. I've heard of more people actually getting better from lyme with CS than MMS, so I'll have to rethink. Thanks for your help. Susie > > > > > > in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to try > > first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it for > > sinus infection. > > > > kim > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Susie, Where have you heard more people are getting better from Lyme using CS than MMS? Please answer this... I've been on these groups for 6 years and I really don't know of anyone claiming they are improved using CS... for most Lymies it is a short term adjunct used for specific issues, IT IS NOT A TREATMENT PROTOCOL FOR LYME! Jim > > > > > > > > > in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to try > > > first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it for > > > sinus infection. > > > > > > kim > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 CS was useless for my lyme and Co-infections Steelh c The harder you work the luckier you get! From: jimjax2 To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Frequecies Susie, Where have you heard more people are getting better from Lyme using CS than MMS? Please answer this... I've been on these groups for 6 years and I really don't know of anyone claiming they are improved using CS... for most Lymies it is a short term adjunct used for specific issues, IT IS NOT A TREATMENT PROTOCOL FOR LYME! Jim > > > > > > > > > in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to try > > > first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it for > > > sinus infection. > > > > > > kim > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Jim, Lena mentioned in the post below that she makes her own. I remember reading a few posts where people mention taking CS. I know a naturopath who has been on it for 8 years & has regained her health. I didn't read that someone said it was better than mms. I just said that no one has said that they have regained their health from lyme using mms. I'm not against mms, I can only take it at minute doses. But it is mentioned in Rosner's book as a treatment that can be used in conjunction with rifing. I'm exploring all possibilities, just as everyone else is. By the way, how come Rosner doesn't mention mms in his book as something to try? I have wondered about that. Susie > > > > > > > > > > > > in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to try > > > > first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it for > > > > sinus infection. > > > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Hi, how do make your own cs. Why can t you take both at the same time, cs and mms. The frequency machine is very different from the others that people use on the forum, what made you choose this devise and what is a abp a attachment, does it work with a gb4000 frequency machine. I have not tried cs yet but i understand it could be used in a limited way. Bacteria can become immune to it i think, but not sure. I would like to try it to see its effect..DamariseFScan 2 and ABPA A2To: Lyme_and_Rife From: tim2buk@...Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:23:52 +0000Subject: Re: Frequecies Jim, Lena mentioned in the post below that she makes her own. I remember reading a few posts where people mention taking CS. I know a naturopath who has been on it for 8 years & has regained her health. I didn't read that someone said it was better than mms. I just said that no one has said that they have regained their health from lyme using mms. I'm not against mms, I can only take it at minute doses. But it is mentioned in Rosner's book as a treatment that can be used in conjunction with rifing. I'm exploring all possibilities, just as everyone else is. By the way, how come Rosner doesn't mention mms in his book as something to try? I have wondered about that. Susie > > > > > > > > > > > > in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to try > > > > first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it for > > > > sinus infection. > > > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Susie,It's been years! I really don't remember. Being the cautious person I am, I probably took no more that an oz a day when I felt I needed it. I still don't drink a lot, but I never scrimp in nose-misting, eye-dropping and using for topical applications.I've done MMS and after a couple months' sincere try, I stopped, because it's an oxidant and my 15g. S & C (anti-oxidant) regime made scheduling really difficult. I also hated the smell, taste, etc. and just felt it wasn't for me. Glad it works for others; it just wasn't for me. I have a supply on hand if ever my situation changes, though. I close no doors.At some point, Lyme recovery requires a certain amount of individual self-sufficiency and independent thinking, as each case is different and only you can know what the body that is yours needs. No one can make your decisions but you. Be well,Léna Lena, When you started with CS, how much did you take? The Argentyn 23 rep said 5 tsps daily should be taken for lyme, but that sounds like alot to me. They also said their CS wouldn't turn a person blue. If you've taken it for 6 years and haven't turned blue, it must be ok to take. So CS is also safe to put in the eyes & ears? I have ocular rosacea that bothers me constantly so that is something I could try. I just have to decide whether I am going to take MMS or CS, because I can't do both. I've heard of more people actually getting better from lyme with CS than MMS, so I'll have to rethink. Thanks for your help. Susie > > > > > > in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to try > > first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it for > > sinus infection. > > > > kim > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Damarise, CS is a heavy metal (silver). MMS oxidizes heavy metals...so one would counteract the benefits of the other. Jodie L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to try > > > > > > first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it for > > > > > > sinus infection. > > > > > > > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 HiThanks for the response, I understand now, im doing chelation now, so taking cs silver would not help now. I did find a small inscript on this web site cs can be effective for some people in curing lyme, this is the link.http://www.cancertutor.com/Other03/LymeDisease.htmlDamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: mrwyattguy@...Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:29:42 +0000Subject: Re: Frequecies Damarise, CS is a heavy metal (silver). MMS oxidizes heavy metals...so one would counteract the benefits of the other. Jodie L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to try > > > > > > first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it for > > > > > > sinus infection. > > > > > > > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 SusieLegally speaking No claims can be made regarding MMS without the FDA swooping down on people.You see, no claims about any natural rememdy can be made as that it heals anything in the USA.Other countries its fine and some have indeed acknowledged it.No approved ,scientific studies have been down to show MMS kills anything in the human body,just like no studies have been done on the majority of herbs.Any natural substance, even when there is proof, you cant make claims about, even if a study has been done in another country.So R cannot make claims about it, other than some people have tried this and says it helped_________.Now Sodium chlorite has been proven in a NIH study to not do any harm .Its also used to kill bacteria in water treatment.We might then translate that as it can kill bacteria in the human body as well.This is the work that Jim Humble has done.In the USA you cannot put out on the internet that an herb kills anything.But if you use an outside of the USA server you can post the healing properties .At best in the USA you have to carefully word anything to say" that it is believed to be helpful in". .. Re: Frequecies Posted by: "tim2buk" tim2buk@... tim2buk Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:23 pm ((PDT))Jim,Lena mentioned in the post below that she makes her own. I remember reading a few posts where people mention taking CS. I know a naturopath who has been on it for 8 years & has regained her health. I didn't read that someone said it was better than mms. I just said that no one has said that they have regained their health from lyme using mms. I'm not against mms, I can only take it at minute doses. But it is mentioned in Rosner's book as a treatment that can be used in conjunction with rifing. I'm exploring all possibilities, just as everyone else is. By the way, how come Rosner doesn't mention mms in his book as something to try? I have wondered about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Lena, Thanks for the clarification. When you said you made your own CS, I automatically thought that you must take it daily. I at least can be sure now that it can be safely used in the eyes & nose. I will be trying that. This is what's good about the forum. You can hear other people's experiences with certain things & then make up your own mind what to try for your own self. Thanks for your help. Susie > > > > > > > > > in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to > try > > > first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it > for > > > sinus infection. > > > > > > kim > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Jan, I know that claims cannot be made about mms. But being other supporting therapies were mentioned in the book(about which claims also cannot be made), I thought it would have been a great place to mention mms. Just think about all the more people that could become aware of mms. I thought there were enough disclaimers that would cover that too. Just a thought, that's all. Susie > > SusieLegally speaking No claims can be made regarding MMS without the FDA swooping down on people.You see, no claims about any natural rememdy can be made as that it heals anything in the USA.Other countries its fine and some have indeed acknowledged it.No approved ,scientific studies have been down to show MMS kills anything in the human body,just like no studies have been done on the majority of herbs.Any natural substance, even when there is proof, you cant make claims about, even if a study has been done in another country.So R cannot make claims about it, other than some people have tried this and says it helped_________.Now Sodium chlorite has been proven in a NIH study to not do any harm .Its also used to kill bacteria in water treatment.We might then translate that as it can kill bacteria in the human body as well.This is the work that Jim Humble has done.In the USA you cannot put out on the internet that an herb kills anything.But if you > use an outside of the USA server you can post the healing properties .At best in the USA you have to carefully word anything to say " that it is believed to be helpful in " > . > . Re: Frequecies > Posted by: " tim2buk " tim2buk@... tim2buk > Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:23 pm ((PDT)) > > Jim, > > Lena mentioned in the post below that she makes her own. I remember reading a few posts where people mention taking CS. I know a naturopath who has been on it for 8 years & has regained her health. I didn't read that someone said it was better than mms. I just said that no one has said that they have regained their health from lyme using mms. I'm not against mms, I can only take it at minute doses. But it is mentioned in Rosner's book as a treatment that can be used in conjunction with rifing. I'm exploring all possibilities, just as everyone else is. By the way, how come Rosner doesn't mention mms in his book as something to try? I have wondered about that. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Susie, Rosner's book was published long before he knew about MMS. MMS has only come to the Lyme community since Sept, 2007 when I introduced it. So, there is NO way MMS could have been included in 's book. today feels MMS is an excellent protocol to be used for Lyme. And I believe during his last flare up, it was MMS that got him through it. As I posted earlier: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_and_Rife/message/22763 >>>Yes, I think MMS is compatible. In fact I think it is more than compatible, I think it accelerates peeling of the layers, opens cysts, and rips through biofilm so bacteria are more vulnerable to rife. It is one of the few antibacterial substances that doesn't have the encysting issues, and does the opposite.<<< Jim > > > > SusieLegally speaking No claims can be made regarding MMS without the FDA swooping down on people.You see, no claims about any natural rememdy can be made as that it heals anything in the USA.Other countries its fine and some have indeed acknowledged it.No approved ,scientific studies have been down to show MMS kills anything in the human body,just like no studies have been done on the majority of herbs.Any natural substance, even when there is proof, you cant make claims about, even if a study has been done in another country.So R cannot make claims about it, other than some people have tried this and says it helped_________.Now Sodium chlorite has been proven in a NIH study to not do any harm .Its also used to kill bacteria in water treatment.We might then translate that as it can kill bacteria in the human body as well.This is the work that Jim Humble has done.In the USA you cannot put out on the internet that an herb kills anything.But if you > > use an outside of the USA server you can post the healing properties .At best in the USA you have to carefully word anything to say " that it is believed to be helpful in " > > . > > . Re: Frequecies > > Posted by: " tim2buk " tim2buk@ tim2buk > > Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:23 pm ((PDT)) > > > > Jim, > > > > Lena mentioned in the post below that she makes her own. I remember reading a few posts where people mention taking CS. I know a naturopath who has been on it for 8 years & has regained her health. I didn't read that someone said it was better than mms. I just said that no one has said that they have regained their health from lyme using mms. I'm not against mms, I can only take it at minute doses. But it is mentioned in Rosner's book as a treatment that can be used in conjunction with rifing. I'm exploring all possibilities, just as everyone else is. By the way, how come Rosner doesn't mention mms in his book as something to try? I have wondered about that. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Jim, Oh, ok, that didn't dawn on me about the publication date. I also wasn't aware that he still got lyme flares. I thought he was completely cured. I guess there is no complete cure then, is there? In a way it helps to know that as a beginner. So that you don't become obsessed (which I have been)with trying to find the perfect thing that will get rid of. It used to be that AIDS was considered the forever disease, but mms changed that. Now lyme is the forever disease. Just have to keep plugging along. Thanks for the update. Susie > > > > > > SusieLegally speaking No claims can be made regarding MMS without the FDA swooping down on people.You see, no claims about any natural rememdy can be made as that it heals anything in the USA.Other countries its fine and some have indeed acknowledged it.No approved ,scientific studies have been down to show MMS kills anything in the human body,just like no studies have been done on the majority of herbs.Any natural substance, even when there is proof, you cant make claims about, even if a study has been done in another country.So R cannot make claims about it, other than some people have tried this and says it helped_________.Now Sodium chlorite has been proven in a NIH study to not do any harm .Its also used to kill bacteria in water treatment.We might then translate that as it can kill bacteria in the human body as well.This is the work that Jim Humble has done.In the USA you cannot put out on the internet that an herb kills anything.But if you > > > use an outside of the USA server you can post the healing properties .At best in the USA you have to carefully word anything to say " that it is believed to be helpful in " > > > . > > > . Re: Frequecies > > > Posted by: " tim2buk " tim2buk@ tim2buk > > > Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:23 pm ((PDT)) > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > Lena mentioned in the post below that she makes her own. I remember reading a few posts where people mention taking CS. I know a naturopath who has been on it for 8 years & has regained her health. I didn't read that someone said it was better than mms. I just said that no one has said that they have regained their health from lyme using mms. I'm not against mms, I can only take it at minute doses. But it is mentioned in Rosner's book as a treatment that can be used in conjunction with rifing. I'm exploring all possibilities, just as everyone else is. By the way, how come Rosner doesn't mention mms in his book as something to try? I have wondered about that. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Hi Sherry, How do you muscle test? My husband and I have tried a few different muscle tests I have found on the internet, but we don't seem to get a response to negative answers. The only thing I have found that works well is using a pendulum, but then I find if I am not careful in how I ask the question it can give me a bad response. Is that what you use? I haven't coiled for Lyme yet. I have only coiled a couple times and it was for candida. Now my entire family is sick and need to get rid of the sinus issue. While my daughters nose if running, my husband and my nose are not. I do not have a mist for CS and I used a netipot once for CS and boy did that hurt! I am not sure I want to coil 2 at the same time since I am so new at this. I haven't herxed yet, but since I am sick I am afraid that doing 2 will be too overwhelming for my body. Thank you for responding! I will compare the sinus list to the Lyme list and pick one that is not on both. Kim > > Kim, this is exactly the big challenge with the CAFL. Assuming that you are an experienced rifer and are ready for trying a new frequency, there's a few things to consider. > > 1. Is the frequency you are considering also listed as a lyme/co frequency? Would it overload you to treat an infection with two fx? > 2. Is there a star by the frequency? These are more strongly supported. > 3. Are there other symptoms you have that you might be able to build a symptom picture and make a good guess about what infection? > 4. Is it a general frequency that is good for many things? For example, 880 is one like that. > 5. What else does this frequency supposedly treat? > > > Speaking personally, I would muscle test all the frequencies I wanted to consider, and this has worked very well. For me, the infections that act up as sinus type symptoms are the following with the main fx I use in parenthesis: klebsiella pneumonia (818 Hz), mycoplasma pneumonia (776.7 Hz), babesia (570 Hz), chlamydia pneumonia (479). Occasionally it is from something else. > > Another remedy that works very well for me for sinus symptoms is saline rinses. > > Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 HiThx for the information. I don t use cs, instictual decision, though i have a bottle at home. i noticed higher frequencies used for lyme and other illnesses. Does anyone know anything about the f scan or gb4000. i know both machines have high frequencies and the f scan gives u an idea what fequencies work with a type of bio feed back. i have a coil which seems powerful, but i need somthing compact to travel and that does high frequencies, the gb4000 seems big. im reading up on the f scan, it seems intresting and made in switzerland im wondering if its a good machine, im still searching for right frequencies, its very time consuming, so i was considering buying the f scan. I have a list of frequencies il try in the mean time, il leave the link here. http://mylymediseasetreatment.com/rife-machine-frequencies/ThanksDamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: mrwyattguy@...Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:29:42 +0000Subject: Re: Frequecies Damarise, CS is a heavy metal (silver). MMS oxidizes heavy metals...so one would counteract the benefits of the other. Jodie L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the CAFL many frequencies are listed. how do you know which to try > > > > > > first? or am i suppose to do all of them? i am looking to use it for > > > > > > sinus infection. > > > > > > > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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