Re: OT: Heston, Reagan, and Asymptomatic Lyme

[Guest guest]

Total believer! I think my husband was asymptomatic until he got hit by two road side bombs in Iraq. After that things started to heppen to him. Now, it looks like MS which is called by most physicians atypical, because every time he was treated for MS he got much worse and never recovered - BUT THANK GOD that 90% of MDs have a good excuse for that it's ALL CO-INCIDENCE, yeah right!At least a few good physicians on our side that have tested and tested again, Land remains Lyme, and cos..... Be well, Bianca

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:50 AM Subject: OT: Heston, Reagan, and Asymptomatic Lyme

Hello,

As we all know, most Alzheimer's Disease = Lyme Disease. That being the case, it would be fair to assume that Charlton Heston, Reagan, and Glenn had and have Lyme, since Glenn is still alive.

Since these 3 men were apparently asymptomatic for most of their careers, do you think that Lyme can be dormant in apparently asymptomatic people?

Thanks,

C.

[Guest guest]

Well, I, for one don't 'know' that all Alzheimer's disease is caused by Lyme

disease and don't understand how one can say such a thing. Yes, it could be

caused by some kind of infection, or there may be all sorts of factors

involved--environmental, lifestyle, genetic, etc. etc.

It would be wonderful if it were so simple. Finally some real treatments could

be developed. Somehow I doubt that it's all so straightforward.

Sue

[Guest guest]

" Spirochetal infection occurs years or decades before the manifestation of

dementia. "

http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/content/8/1/90/abstract

full study = http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/content/pdf/1742-2094-8-90.pdf

>

> Hello,

>

> As we all know, most Alzheimer's Disease = Lyme Disease. That being the case,

it would be fair to assume that Charlton Heston, Reagan, and Glenn

had and have Lyme, since Glenn is still alive.

>

> Since these 3 men were apparently asymptomatic for most of their careers, do

you think that Lyme can be dormant in apparently asymptomatic people?

>

> Thanks,

> C.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

I think the belief that Lyme may cause Alzheimer's comes from finding

spirochete's during autopsy in the brains of Alzheimer's patients a few years

back...

But just because they have spiros' in their brains does not necessarily mean it

causes Alzheimer's disease.. They could be totally unrelated.

Take care,

Jim

>

> Well, I, for one don't 'know' that all Alzheimer's disease is caused by Lyme

disease and don't understand how one can say such a thing. Yes, it could be

caused by some kind of infection, or there may be all sorts of factors

involved--environmental, lifestyle, genetic, etc. etc.

>

> It would be wonderful if it were so simple. Finally some real treatments could

be developed. Somehow I doubt that it's all so straightforward.

>

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Dr. Alan Mac was interviewed in the documentary " Under Our Skin " regarding

Lyme. He found it in 7 of 10 brains of Alzheimer's patients.

The good doctor has now had to give up his practice because he himself got

Alzheimers, ostensibly from close contact with Lyme.

[Guest guest]

Are you sure he got alzheimer from Lyme? Do you think he was bitten by the tick? Lyme cannot be passed from any means but blood transfusion or tick bite.

Hi,

Dr. Alan Mac was interviewed in the documentary "Under Our Skin" regarding Lyme. He found it in 7 of 10 brains of Alzheimer's patients.

The good doctor has now had to give up his practice because he himself got Alzheimers, ostensibly from close contact with Lyme.

[Guest guest]

Hi Bianca,

Have you looked at any of Garth Nicholsen's research on the Gulf War Syndrome?

Apparently Mycoplasma Fermentens is a weaponized version of Mycoplasma that was

used in the first Gulf War and potentially the second one as well. Even if it

wasn't used in the second Iraq war, it is highly contagious and since many

Iraqis were exposed to Mycoplasma Fermentens it is very likely that many of our

Vets now carry it. One of the main symptoms of Mycoplasma Fermentens is MS

symptoms. Mycoplasma Fermentens was so contagious that not only did our gulf

war vets carry it, but they brought the pathogen home to their families who then

also became infected. I used to teach in a school that had a lot of military

children and believe that I may have contracted it from some of the children.

The symptoms of Mycoplasma and Lyme are nearly identical and the two often go

hand in hand. It is very hard to test for Lyme and I think it may be even

harder to test for Mycoplasma Fermentens. Anyway, you might want to look at

Garth Nicholsen's research if you haven't already as your husband may not have

lyme at all but Mycoplasma Fermentens.

>

> Total believer! I think my husband was asymptomatic until he got hit by two

road side bombs in Iraq. After that things started to heppen to him. Now, it

looks like MS which is called by most physicians atypical, because every time he

was treated for MS he got much worse and never recovered - BUT THANK GOD that

90% of MDs have a good excuse for that it's ALL CO-INCIDENCE, yeah right!

> At least a few good physicians on our side that have tested and tested again,

Land remains Lyme, and cos.....

>  

> Be well, Bianca

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:50 AM

> Subject: OT: Heston, Reagan, and Asymptomatic Lyme

>

>

>

>  

>

> Hello,

>

> As we all know, most Alzheimer's Disease = Lyme Disease. That being the case,

it would be fair to assume that Charlton Heston, Reagan, and Glenn

had and have Lyme, since Glenn is still alive.

>

> Since these 3 men were apparently asymptomatic for most of their careers, do

you think that Lyme can be dormant in apparently asymptomatic people?

>

> Thanks,

> C.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sundeep,

That is not actually correct. It is believed that Lyme can be transmitted by

any biting insect that is infected with the Borrellia Burgdorferi bacteria.

That means fleas, mosquitos, ticks and numerous other insects. To my knowledge

I never was bitten by a tick, never had a blood transfusion, never had the

classic bulls eye rash and yet I was very sick and had a positive Western Blot

test after treating for Lyme for a couple of months. Dr Klinghardt thinks I may

have gotten it from my mom. If the Ice Man could have the bacteria 5000 years

ago, then it could be passed down from generation to generation. Just like in

the case of HIV, not everyone gets sick wwith aids. Those of us who got sick

had other health issues such as low stomach acid, poor detoxification pathways

or poor diet that may have lowered our immune response just enough to allow the

Lyme to take over. My doctor believes that about 95% of people actually are

Lyme positive, but are not actively sick. Alzheimers may be one manifestation

of Lyme and comes on mostly in the elderly because they have lowered immune

response leaving them more vulnerable to lyme. What we in modern day think of

as normal disease such as Rheumatoid Arthritis, Parkinsons , MS and Alzheimers

might be nothing more then a lowered immune response which allowed for Borrelia

to take over.

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > Dr. Alan Mac was interviewed in the documentary " Under Our Skin "

regarding Lyme. He found it in 7 of 10 brains of Alzheimer's patients.

> >

> > The good doctor has now had to give up his practice because he himself got

Alzheimers, ostensibly from close contact with Lyme.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just a note about Garth Nicholsen,

He is considered America's top researcher on the Gulf War Syndrome and

Mycoplasma Fermentens, the weaponized form of this disease...

Take care,

Jim

> >

> > Total believer! I think my husband was asymptomatic until he got hit by two

road side bombs in Iraq. After that things started to heppen to him. Now, it

looks like MS which is called by most physicians atypical, because every time he

was treated for MS he got much worse and never recovered - BUT THANK GOD that

90% of MDs have a good excuse for that it's ALL CO-INCIDENCE, yeah right!

> > At least a few good physicians on our side that have tested and tested

again, Land remains Lyme, and cos.....

> >  

> > Be well, Bianca

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: cmross98 <cmross98@>

> > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:50 AM

> > Subject: OT: Heston, Reagan, and Asymptomatic Lyme

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > As we all know, most Alzheimer's Disease = Lyme Disease. That being the

case, it would be fair to assume that Charlton Heston, Reagan, and Glenn

had and have Lyme, since Glenn is still alive.

> >

> > Since these 3 men were apparently asymptomatic for most of their careers, do

you think that Lyme can be dormant in apparently asymptomatic people?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > C.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and all,

Back when the Bowen lab existed in Tampa, FL, all patients sent to them for Lyme

tested 96% positive, this compares to 35 - 45% with the other well known labs...

Bowen used better screening methods, actually looked for parts of the Lyme

organism,

not antibodies other labs look for..

So clearly, as states, Lyme is most likely well entrenched in society

today.. It would

be doubtful ticks alone could get this disease this far along.

I personally have talked to many of my group members over the years and they

would

tell me they felt fine, then a divorce, death in the family, or some other

tragic event brought

out their Lyme...Meaning, they felt they had it all along, just that it was

inactive until this

event in their lives.

Take care,

Jim

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Dr. Alan Mac was interviewed in the documentary " Under Our Skin "

regarding Lyme. He found it in 7 of 10 brains of Alzheimer's patients.

> > >

> > > The good doctor has now had to give up his practice because he himself got

Alzheimers, ostensibly from close contact with Lyme.

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lucina,

Very sorry to hear your 3 children contracted Lyme in childbirth...

This seems to be more and more common today..

And you are right, time will tell and I am sure many other vectors

will be responsible for passing on Lyme as so many people today

are carriers of this disease, it is inactive in them and they don't

even know it..

Take care,

Jim

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> Dr. Alan Mac was interviewed in the documentary " Under Our Skin "

> regarding Lyme. He found it in 7 of 10 brains of Alzheimer's patients.

>

> The good doctor has now had to give up his practice because he himself got

> Alzheimers, ostensibly from close contact with Lyme.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi I originally found out about lyme by researching mycoplasma. I had a form of mycroplasma. Mycroplasma is very similiar to lyme. I seem to get more of a reaction from mycroplasma frequencies than lyme, i think one of them is 688. I read some articles written by Garth Nicolsen, understanding mycroplasma makes you understand lyme. I would always treat for both. I also believe lyme and mycroplasma can be asymtamatic. People will react differently according to the persons unique disposition.DamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: jimjax2@...Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:24:31 +0000Subject: Re: OT: Heston, Reagan, and Asymptomatic Lyme

Just a note about Garth Nicholsen,

He is considered America's top researcher on the Gulf War Syndrome and

Mycoplasma Fermentens, the weaponized form of this disease...

Take care,

Jim

> >

> > Total believer! I think my husband was asymptomatic until he got hit by two road side bombs in Iraq. After that things started to heppen to him. Now, it looks like MS which is called by most physicians atypical, because every time he was treated for MS he got much worse and never recovered - BUT THANK GOD that 90% of MDs have a good excuse for that it's ALL CO-INCIDENCE, yeah right!

> > At least a few good physicians on our side that have tested and tested again, Land remains Lyme, and cos.....

> > Â

> > Be well, Bianca

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: cmross98 <cmross98@>

> > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:50 AM

> > Subject: OT: Heston, Reagan, and Asymptomatic Lyme

> >

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > As we all know, most Alzheimer's Disease = Lyme Disease. That being the case, it would be fair to assume that Charlton Heston, Reagan, and Glenn had and have Lyme, since Glenn is still alive.

> >

> > Since these 3 men were apparently asymptomatic for most of their careers, do you think that Lyme can be dormant in apparently asymptomatic people?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > C.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

HiI read lyme can be found in many insects,cats, dogs rodents and human sperm and crosses the womb fetus barrier and breast milk. mycroplasma similiar to lyme crosses filters used in vaccines.DamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: jimjax2@...Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:51:36 +0000Subject: Re: OT: Heston, Reagan, and Asymptomatic Lyme

Hi Lucina,

Very sorry to hear your 3 children contracted Lyme in childbirth...

This seems to be more and more common today..

And you are right, time will tell and I am sure many other vectors

will be responsible for passing on Lyme as so many people today

are carriers of this disease, it is inactive in them and they don't

even know it..

Take care,

Jim

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> Dr. Alan Mac was interviewed in the documentary "Under Our Skin"

> regarding Lyme. He found it in 7 of 10 brains of Alzheimer's patients.

>

> The good doctor has now had to give up his practice because he himself got

> Alzheimers, ostensibly from close contact with Lyme.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi I diid not get tested yet by a reputable lab yet. But i did get a positive result with a standard elisea test. There are two labs near me one does pcr dna testing for lyme and co infections and one does live blood anaylsis. Are they both reliable to acurately diagnose lyme.DanariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: jimjax2@...Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:32:38 +0000Subject: Re: OT: Heston, Reagan, and Asymptomatic Lyme

Hi and all,

Back when the Bowen lab existed in Tampa, FL, all patients sent to them for Lyme

tested 96% positive, this compares to 35 - 45% with the other well known labs...

Bowen used better screening methods, actually looked for parts of the Lyme organism,

not antibodies other labs look for..

So clearly, as states, Lyme is most likely well entrenched in society today.. It would

be doubtful ticks alone could get this disease this far along.

I personally have talked to many of my group members over the years and they would

tell me they felt fine, then a divorce, death in the family, or some other tragic event brought

out their Lyme...Meaning, they felt they had it all along, just that it was inactive until this

event in their lives.

Take care,

Jim

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Dr. Alan Mac was interviewed in the documentary "Under Our Skin" regarding Lyme. He found it in 7 of 10 brains of Alzheimer's patients.

> > >

> > > The good doctor has now had to give up his practice because he himself got Alzheimers, ostensibly from close contact with Lyme.

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[Guest guest]

Jim,i met a gal who was fine, had a car accident and then got fibro, which is often misdiagnosed lyme. in '51, my family moved to a lake house, next to woods, (and mosquitoes) when i was 3. my mother was very healthy then.  in '55, 4 yrs later, her newborn child died at 3 days old and she went into a nervous breakdown. she has had health problems since. mostly g.i. problems and times of 'crashing' and having to go to bed.  could she have been infected when we moved there and it just lay dormant until the breakdown.  hmmm??  

since '55, i have had g.i./anxiety problems.  my parents almost divorced while i was in jr. high.  at age 16 i had a large gastric ulcer.  after that, i noticed that if i over extended myself one day, i had to rest the next (while still in my teens). also, couldn't take the stress at college and had to return home.  could i have been infected also on the lake?  neither of my younger sisters, who were not born when we lived there, are sick at all.  mom and i  both have similar g.i./anxiety issues, along with that feeling of  'our insides crashing'  following mental/emotional/physical stress or exertion.  hmmm?

in '79 our home flooded from broken, frozen pipes, wiping out half the interior with water and soaking the basement cement walls.  took 30+ days to dry out, then we moved back in while rebuilding the inside.   i was dx with lupus, then  fibro in '81. so could a mold illness have triggered the fibro,  a misdiagnosis of lyme (from childhood?).  also, my fibro flared when there were issues throughout a bad marriage, ending in divorce. following having to work because of the divorce, my health got worse and i qualified for ssi.  hmmm??

--or--since about 77, we got our own fire wood in the woods--mosquitoes and ticks.  could i have been infected, or reinfected then resulting in fibro a fews yrs later??   hmmm??

so did i have dormant lyme, from childhood, and it was triggered by stresses which i was subjected to several times in life???  and then mold???   or another option, i contracted a sever case of c diff. in 1999 which took 8 months on flagyl to cure.  was my immune system crashed at that time, allowing a full explosion of the lyme?  or did i just get reinfected in early 2000s.  hmmm??

oh, one other thought.  my middle daughter, since being in an abusive marriage (now divorced) has sever anxiety, bouts of fatigue/stress and 'falling apart/crashing.'  she will then take to bed for a day or two to recover.  she went to the woods to get wood with us.  she was home schooled while we rebuild in the home that flooded, while her older sister, was in private school, away from home daily with less exposure to the possible mold.  she has a good marriage and no chronic health issues.  hmmm?? 

as i look back in my history, i (and family members) have had several opportunities to be infected with lyme.  each time of emotional/mental/physical stress in life,  illness consistently increased.  i never realized this time table until the last few days, but it is interesting and follows the conversation you have been having about most people possibly being  infected, and then getting sick following a physical/mental/emotion trauma. hmm???

barbara

 

Hi and all,

Back when the Bowen lab existed in Tampa, FL, all patients sent to them for Lyme

tested 96% positive, this compares to 35 - 45% with the other well known labs...

Bowen used better screening methods, actually looked for parts of the Lyme organism,

not antibodies other labs look for..

So clearly, as states, Lyme is most likely well entrenched in society today.. It would

be doubtful ticks alone could get this disease this far along.

I personally have talked to many of my group members over the years and they would

tell me they felt fine, then a divorce, death in the family, or some other tragic event brought

out their Lyme...Meaning, they felt they had it all along, just that it was inactive until this

event in their lives.

Take care,

Jim

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Dr. Alan Mac was interviewed in the documentary " Under Our Skin " regarding Lyme. He found it in 7 of 10 brains of Alzheimer's patients.

> > >

> > > The good doctor has now had to give up his practice because he himself got Alzheimers, ostensibly from close contact with Lyme.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

That is exactly what happened to me. My husband got a job in Alaska and I was

working in Washington for 2 years. I believe that separation along with massive

mold exposure in my old job combined with mutations on the genes necessary for

detoxification set Lyme in motion for me. No tick necessary, although I did

have a labrador retriever who lived in my house which may have given me a few

flea bites. What I do know is that the reason ticks are so successful at

transmitting the bacteria is they have something in their saliva that allows the

blood brain barrier to stay open so that the bacteria can quickly pass into the

brain. I do believe that those who contracted Lyme from a tick are far sicker

then those of us who may have inherited the disease.

> > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > Dr. Alan Mac was interviewed in the documentary " Under Our Skin "

regarding Lyme. He found it in 7 of 10 brains of Alzheimer's patients.

> > > >

> > > > The good doctor has now had to give up his practice because he himself

got Alzheimers, ostensibly from close contact with Lyme.

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[Guest guest]

Cat's also are a big source of Cat Scratch fever or Bartonella. I got sick

after adopting a shelter cat who had been sick on antibiotics. She was kind of

a crazy cat, now I wonder if she had Bartonella.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Damarise,

Live blood analysis should NEVER be used to determine Lyme...

Lyme typically leaves the bloodstream quickly to reside in organs, joints

and other areas of the body where it is not easily detected.

Have you not followed my posts about pseudospirochetes?

Jim

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> > > > Dr. Alan Mac was interviewed in the documentary " Under Our Skin "

regarding Lyme. He found it in 7 of 10 brains of Alzheimer's patients.

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[Guest guest]

HiI thought of doing the live blood analysis for other things, im not sure exacltly what you can see with it. Someone i know uses it for detecting lyme, i remembered your post, and mentioned it, he is still believes he can see the lyme. I may use it for other things. I will eventually get tested by ingex labs. I recently cut my ligament in my finger, would lyme prevent the ligament from healing. The docter gave a course of penicillin type antibiotics, which i heard should not be taken with lyme. They seem to work for the initial infection, but it seems the finger may be infected again.I am afraid i may have reacurring infections because of the lyme. Is there an antibiotic that is ok and that can replace the cell wall inhibiting antibiotic,DamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: jimjax2@...Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:48:42 +0000Subject: Re: OT: Heston, Reagan, and Asymptomatic Lyme

Hi Damarise,

Live blood analysis should NEVER be used to determine Lyme...

Lyme typically leaves the bloodstream quickly to reside in organs, joints

and other areas of the body where it is not easily detected.

Have you not followed my posts about pseudospirochetes?

Jim

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[Guest guest]

susan,we had this beautiful cat, part siamese. he was a stray also.  we got him when he was 7 wks old.  slept with us.  when we moved out to the coast, he loved it outside.  but he was afraid of everything.  very nervous cat.  the only place you could really pick him up was when he was on our bed, otherwise he was skittish.  if there was some one visiting, we would not come around, but stay outside.  one night, the coldest night of the yr., i couldn't get him in.  he went to the vacant lot next door and cried and cried, yet stayed hidden under the rv there.  so i put on my warmest coat and sat next to the rv with a can of cat food, which he liked, and waited an hour until he would come up to it where i could grab him.  

we eventually put a cat door in so he could go in and out.  he only came in at night.  then he would get on our bed and want to snuggle and drool all over us.  he was lonely, but so scared.  i wonder if we could have caught bart from him.  he spent most of his time outside, in the brush, garden.  lots of deer, mice, rats.  hmmmm

if he carried bart, would he show signs of illness?  was his great fear possibly from bart.  last yr, after  reading many post about cats carrying it, and with him coming in our bed at night, my husband asked me about putting him down.  we had actually both been thinking about it for a yr, but neither said anything.  so very, very, hard.  we would have easily found him a home, but he was so scared of everything and everyone, he was miserable.  we thought he would not handle a change of home and that maybe he would be mistreated because of how he was.  or if  he carried bart, he would pass it on.  so we put him down. 

we both love cats but my husband said no more because of the bart being possibly carried by them. then maybe lyme, through the fleas also?  we didn't need a reinfection.  i miss not having one.

barbara

 

Cat's also are a big source of Cat Scratch fever or Bartonella. I got sick after adopting a shelter cat who had been sick on antibiotics. She was kind of a crazy cat, now I wonder if she had Bartonella.

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> >> > > > Dr. Alan Mac was interviewed in the documentary " Under Our

> >> Skin " regarding Lyme. He found it in 7 of 10 brains of Alzheimer's patients.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

A two year separation from your hubby, both working in different states would

have to be

very stressful, especially if you've been married for some time and are close..

I would think stress like this

could be similar to losing a loved one, a good job or just bad news about

something personal.

And since when we are healthy, we generally have no idea that inactive Lyme may

be present,

all it takes is a serious life change that is stressful to make Lyme active. And

I have to wonder

how many get ill and never get a proper dx of Lyme....

It is also possible you were bitten earlier in your life and Lyme remained

inactive.. If the population

is as highly infected as some believe, then it is either being passed in

childbirth, or a tick or other

biting insect or a combo of both..

I think if I could live my life over again, I would have eaten a healthy diet

right from the start, my

teenage years my diet was whatever was handy and easy to eat all to often... And

I would also

concentrate on being in very good health, something I never thought of until I

got ill with Lyme

22 years ago.

Take care,

Jim

> > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr. Alan Mac was interviewed in the documentary " Under Our Skin "

regarding Lyme. He found it in 7 of 10 brains of Alzheimer's patients.

> > > > >

> > > > > The good doctor has now had to give up his practice because he himself

got Alzheimers, ostensibly from close contact with Lyme.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Damarise,

The BIG problem with live blood analysis for Lyme is the Lyme pathogen once it

enters the body

starts leaving the blood stream for safer places like organs, bone and brain..

Seldom will someone

with chronic Lyme have enough in the bloodstream to be seen by a microscope.. So

the spiro's often

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creatures, but

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effective for chronic Lyme.

So I like to know how he can see something that is not there!!

It may be fine for seeing pathogens that do live in the blood though..

It is very difficult to treat chronic Lyme with oral abx.. Different LLMDs use

different oral abx,

I can tell you that some LLMDs have much better success than others, I believe

this is because

of the kinds of abx they use and how they are given... The abx recommended by

Dr. Burrascano

is IV Rocephin and oral Flagyl.. I actually did this and it was grueling.. Some

do okay with it.. For me,

it was the Flagyl that caused me so much anguish, but others seem fine with it,

not sure why... For

this protocol, a PICC line must be installed for the Rocephin...

Take care,

Jim

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Hi Jim,

I am sure I have been bitten by ticks in the past as I used to ride horses all

over Oregon, through the underbrush and had many dogs that I pulled ticks off

of. However, I am also inclined to believe I inherited the disease from my mom.

If you new how crazy my maternal family was, you would probably think they were

all a bunch of undiagnosed Lymies.

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Hi ,

Good point!

When there are many family members who seem to have issues, then this is most

likely

not individual bites causing Lyme, but rather passed in childbirth...

My Father at the end of his life lived several years with very similar symptoms

that I have.

Back then, doctors had no clue as to the cause... Well heck, many doctors today

still don't!

My first symptom showed up 22 years ago, chronic as of 6 years ago... I never

recall being

bitten, but that as you know is not unusual... But when I think of my Dad's

state of health

near the end of his life and mine being so similar, I really do wonder where my

Lyme came

from... And I also wonder if this gets passed on to my kids..

I think the only saving grace of all of this is if it was passed on to me in

childbirth, then

I must have the non-weaponized strain of Lyme. I don't know if the non is more

easily

cured or not, but the weaponized Lyme was designed to be very difficult to cure

as memory

recalls.

This is something you should think about also about your Lyme may be the

non-weaponized...

Take care,

Jim

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HiThanks for the information. What can they see in live blood analysis. Hopefully i will be able to have the lyme test done in the future at igenex. I took anti biotics for a torn ligament not lyme. I did take axb for what i thought i had, mycroplasma. i took baxin and doxycyline at the same time. Im not sure if it helped, i stopped taking them. I also tried flagle but found it hard to take. The time releases one was ok, baxin seemed to work best. the coil and mms seems to be keeping things under control-DamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: jimjax2@...Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 03:15:02 +0000Subject: Re: OT: Heston, Reagan, and Asymptomatic Lyme

Hi Damarise,

The BIG problem with live blood analysis for Lyme is the Lyme pathogen once it enters the body

starts leaving the blood stream for safer places like organs, bone and brain.. Seldom will someone

with chronic Lyme have enough in the bloodstream to be seen by a microscope.. So the spiro's often

seen and believed to be real are pseudospirochetes and these are not even live creatures, but

they look identical to Lyme spirochetes. This is why live blood analysis is not effective for chronic Lyme.

So I like to know how he can see something that is not there!!

It may be fine for seeing pathogens that do live in the blood though..

It is very difficult to treat chronic Lyme with oral abx.. Different LLMDs use different oral abx,

I can tell you that some LLMDs have much better success than others, I believe this is because

of the kinds of abx they use and how they are given... The abx recommended by Dr. Burrascano

is IV Rocephin and oral Flagyl.. I actually did this and it was grueling.. Some do okay with it.. For me,

it was the Flagyl that caused me so much anguish, but others seem fine with it, not sure why... For

this protocol, a PICC line must be installed for the Rocephin...

Take care,

Jim

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