OT : how todo the kefir implan was A Long Lyme Journey and Flagyl update

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Hi Barbara,

I do not know about kefir implan I guess we need to be carefull with the PH and it is water kefir as ot not put something undigest in the gut ?

Kindly Marie

To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:09 PMSubject: Re: Re: A Long Lyme Journey and Flagyl update

Hi Barbara,

I have horrble her orally but not dermally. Do you wait the 3mn after putting the lemon or not ?

We are nto supposed to wait at all immediatly put some DMSO and put it right away on the skin .

switchin gof area every 2 hours

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:21 PMSubject: Re: Re: A Long Lyme Journey and Flagyl update

Hi Suzy and Marie,

suzy, you may have had c. diff. sometimes they don't always get it all and you may not know until you take another abx. you can still have some lingering bugs and not know it if your good flora keeps it under control. so if you have to do any abx watch very carefully, for signs of a relapse. to make sure they got it all, you can have then do another stool sample to ck. it may be worth it. i insisted on staying with the flagyl until my stool test came up negative for it. when i went on the abx for lyme for 18 mos. i had no problems so must have got it all.

what is the kefir grain implants. does it really help the gut. i often consider it was the c.diff that really put me over the top with the gut issues and created these 30 attacks i've had since. contracted lyme so close to it, it is hard to tell what is doing what. when i coil for candida my gut does better., i think it is more than just the llyme and cos.

marie, how can you do so many drops off mms and not have a horrible kerx? i did 3 drop transdermal for 3 days in a row and was so sick had to totally stop for a while. if i did that many drops as you did, i'd be dead. do you not have a horrible herx?

barbara

Hi Barbara and Suzy,

When I had this kind of fever and close to death situation it is the MMS life thereatenign protocol that took me out of it : MMS every hou and 10 drops +dmso on the skin every two hours

in 3 dasy I was ou tof danger .I do not know if it was c difficil or not .

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:22 AM

Subject: Re: Re: A Long Lyme Journey and Flagyl update

hi Barbara,I had a very similar experience last fall with diarrhea, 105 fever, delirium, near death. the doc thought I had an ecoli infection, as it had started as a bladder infection. How did you treat the c difficil? I was given and took some serious anti-biotics. My gut continues to be a mess, and I'm contemplating trying out kefir grain implants, which Dom talks about on his kefir site, as helping him get over colitis. One more lab-rat adventure coming up!!!Suzy

c difficil is a bacteria that can get into your gut and is kept under control until you take an abx. about 20% of the population carries it at any time.

when you take an abx, it starts making you feel better for whatever you are taking it for, then about 4-5 days into it the gut disbiosis begins and the c. diff. flourish- opportunistic bug. it is bad. 104 1/2 temp, diarrhea, nausea, dehydration, can't keep anything in or down. you feel like you're dying, and may if not stopped. usually people pick it up in the hospital. don't know where i did. passed through feces. that makes me feel creepy when i think of how i may have gotten it.

anyway, i had taken abx for a sinus infected (and feeling sick) while in s.d. and didn't want to fly back because the altitude can affect the pressure in the head with an infection. so went to dr. there 2 days before i left. when i got home was better then got really sick. 2 e.r. visits. first one gave me fluids and sent me home, said it was the flu. by the time i went again, 4 days later, was so sick couldn't stand up and they let me sit in the waiting room with that temp for 3 hrs. ended up incoherent and had to take me back in a wheel chair. dr. said he would stake his life on the fact that it was the flu.

i knew it was more and refused to go home because i knew i would be back, or not make it.. they kept me and called in an infectious disease dr who knew right away what it was. guess my symptoms were classic--that of following an abx.

used flagyl for 3 wks., then after a couple days off started fever and sick again. this went on for 8 months before it was gone. following this time i began to get really chronically ill, beyond the fibro i had. for a long time we thought it was the flagyl had caused permanent damage. but as i look back, when i was in s.d., we had taken a day trip to mn. i started feeling fluish that day. it was odd because i don't get the flu. then the head cold thing.

so, we think that the flu thing was actually lyme taking hold. months before we had been clearing our land here, and if i contracted lyme then, the timing may be been right for that flu thing to have been lyme. then the c. diff. followed, which really tears up your gut. after that, gradually started on those crazy 30 minute attacks, got sicker and sicker with what i know now is lyme symptoms. so with a severely compromised immune system from the c.diff., the lyme had a really good start. and it was down hill from there.

i understand that there is a more virulent strain of c. diff that is out now. there are better abx for it now though. which will make it a stronger strain later. so if you hear of anyone with getting worse after a few days of abx treatment, with g.i. issues and high fever, suggest c.diff and get tested and treated right away. i think if the e.r. dr knew what she should have know, the classic symptoms, not the flu, i would have been treated sooner and had less problems.

but that is c.diff. really bad stuff. so wash those veggies and fruit really good. and don't touch you mouth after touching stuff in public. ones gets a little paranoid after that, but lots of people are being more cautious now days.

barbara

Well Barbara, Flagyl does have side effects, including killing off the friendly bacteria. And LD can become immune to it. I think 8 months is far too long to be on any antibiotic, but most of the LLMD's prescribe that way. What is c.difficil? Khaya

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>> > > >> > > Hello all,> > > >> > >> > > >> > > The thought just occured to me, that I never posted like I said I> > would after my son completed the Flagyl. So here goes....> > > >> > >> > > >> > > First of all a little background. The first that we are aware of> > that our son got infected was 2001, with two tick bites followed by> > bulls-eye rashes. Easy enough, we treated with Ceftin (they felt he was too> > young for Doxy and he is allergic to Amox.) I do not remember how long we> > treated, but probably not long enough. I wish I had known back then what I> > know now. He was fine until the following year he got another bite followed> > by another bulls-eye. This time we felt like we had it down pat....give him> > a round of abx and he will

be fine. I wish. This time it was Doxy, the abx> > of choice, since he was 12 years old. After his measly three-week> > treatment, he immediately came down with fever, and feeling absolutely> > miserable. So after being off for only a day, or two, or three, he was put> > back on Doxy. I do not know how long he was on Doxy. At the time it seemed> > like a long time. Now, unlike then, I really know what a long time is. I am> > guessing it> > > was a total of 10 weeks.> > > >> > >> > > >> > > However, this time was not going to be like the first. We do not> > know, but surmise that the first infection was only put in cyst form after> > the three-week treatment with Ceftin, and the reinfection needed more than> > whatever he was given. But after the longer Doxy treatment he was fine, or> > so we

thought. That is until six months later, when he came down with all> > Lyme syptoms...hurting all over, extreme fatigue....> > > >> > >> > > >> > > At this point, I had read enough to know that I did not want to> > do abx. We decide to treat naturally. We found a good ND in 2005, that has> > been able to really provide a good treatment. Since that time, we have> > mostly been treating lyme, detoxing, supporting detox organs with natural> > supplements. His relapses were getting less severe and more infrequent as> > time went on. It was a long haul, but we really felt we had the lyme thing> > whipped! YEAH!!!> > > >> > >> > > >> > > THEN, in the spring of 2011, he pulled off I believe it was a> > total of five ticks, three of which were deer ticks. Needless to say, it>

> was not long until he was hit with full-blown lyme again. This time we went> > to an LLMD, which worked wonderfully along-side our ND. He put him on Doxy,> > and later added Ceftin. All this time our ND and DC were muscle-testing the> > abx and both tested positive for them. At one point, the LLMD recommended> > two weeks of Flagyl. Again, both the ND and DC tested positive for the> > Flagyl. It was really encouraging to know that both ND and DC, who did not> > even know each other were both testing positive for all the abx. We needed> > that, since we have always and still do believe treating naturally is best.> > But this experience has taught us that abx in some cases are a real> > benefit. After a week on the Flagyl, we had to add more kidney support and> > a soak to detox the liver. This soak for the liver we have used before and> > I

want to> > > pass its info on, since it has helped my son many times in the past.> > It's effects are felt immediately. Here is a link to it:> > http://www.dnrsite.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Session_ID=4DBFDF0E000492620000274600000000 & Screen=PROD & Product_Code=LVR-105 & Category_Code=LVR & Product_Count=2> > > >> > >> > > >> > > He also increased the probiotic and added a prebiotic during the> > Flagyl. He managed to get the two weeks of Flagyl in, but until the two> > weeks were up, he was done. All three practitioners, unknowingly, agreed> > two weeks was enough.> > > >> > >> > >

>> > > This past Wed. we visited both ND and DC. Finally, since June of> > 2011, both tested he was finished with all abx. To me that is amazing that> > these two practitioners, who from what I have heard, do not even care for> > each other, unknowingly are in agreement with each other. =) We had an appt> > with the LLMD on Thurs. and sure enough, he recommended stopping the abx.> > The next treatment he recommends is Nutrimedix Samento and Banderol. We> > knew before-hand that is the next step in his treatment, so we had asked> > the ND to test for those and sure enough he does! Although, in the past,> > while he was on the abx. he did not test positive for the Banderol he does> > now.> > > >> > >> > > >> > > During this whole abx treatment, my son has been doing extremely> > well. But

remember, the whole time he was on abx. we also were doing a lot> > of natural support.I know the real test is coming, and will try to remember> > to keep you guys informed.> > > >> > >> > > >> > > The LLMD says that after two months of Samento and Banderol, the> > chances are very good that the lyme will be gone. Call me pessimistic or> > whatever, but I find that hard to believe. That would be great, but, I am> > happy if we can just keep him healthy and strong in spite of lyme. And> > knowing his past, it is only a matter of time until he gets reinfected.> > Sorry, I know I should be more optimistic, it is just that I have been> > around this thing for so long, that I truly wonder if anyone ever cures> > chronic lyme. During his journey, there was a peiod of two years he was> > symptom free. I would

love to know, what is the longest anyone out there> > has been symptom-free?> > > >> > >> > > >> > > Wow, I think that is my longest post... Sorry, I hope I did not> > bore you.> > > >> > >> > > >> > > May God bless you all, Malinda> > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

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