Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 In a nutshell Goldberg opposes ABA because it produces robotic responses that are often not generalized, involves unnatural bribery to learn, and can stress out a child. He advises us to treat as if he were a 2 year old (he is just now 4) and talk to him all the time and teach him naturalistically like we would a typical toddler. We do this already but do not feel it is enough. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of angie huiz Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: [sPAM]Re: ABA and What are the reasons and rationale for him being opposed? > From: Martha Wood <marthawood@... <mailto:marthawood%40comcast.net> > > Subject: ABA and > " groups (DOT) com " < <mailto:%40> > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:53 AM > Hello all, > > I am in need of guidance. We had our phone consult with Dr. > G last night. He > is adamantly opposed to ABA and spent some time last night > go over why ABA > is not the right approach to take. Right now we have a good > 20 hour a week > in home program for our newly four year old son. I am too > afraid to let it > go and trust that all of our son's problems will > resolve in time through the > protocol. Right now we are considering spending three > weeks at the > Judevine School in St. Louis to have a sort of " boot > camp " like experience > to help our boy with language, socialization, and potty > training. I know > some of you have incorporated ABA and other methods (ie. > Floortime and RDI) > along with the protocol. The last thing I want to do > is overstress our > child not to mention the stress of financing all of this > therapy. But at the > same time I do not want to chance it and let the ABA go. > > > > Is there anyone out there who regrets doing ABA? Does > anyone have experience > with the Judevine School? Has anyone out there ever done a > sort of " boot > camp " three week approach that was helpful and > lasting? By the way we think > our fella is moderate ASD. > > > > Any thoughts would be so appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Martha Wood > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Thank you so much. We are looking into RDI but will definitely hold onto ABA. Martha From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of L Juarez Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 AM Subject: [sPAM]Re: ABA and Just my two sense, but aba does not work well for " some " of our kids. It does work well for " some " of our kids. Things aren't always so black and white... If your particular child is showing improvements, keep the services. Personally ABA has helped minimally and he has had it for five years. I would still NEVER give up my hours. See if your provider is willing to incorporate other methods into his hours. The rapid prompting method is the best method I have seen work with our kids both personally and professionally??? Sincerely, L. Juarez, PhD Candidate, M.S., Marriage and Family Therapist On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:33 PM, angie huiz wrote: What are the reasons and rationale for him being opposed? > From: Martha Wood < marthawoodcomcast (DOT) net > <mailto:marthawood@... <mailto:marthawood%40comcast.net> > > Subject: ABA and To: > " groups (DOT) com " < groups (DOT) com > <mailto: <mailto:%40> > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:53 > AM Hello all, > I am in need of guidance. We had our phone consult with Dr. G last > night. He is adamantly opposed to ABA and spent some time last night > go over why ABA is not the right approach to take. Right now we have a > good 20 hour a week in home program for our newly four year old son. > I am too afraid to let it go and trust that all of our son's problems > will resolve in time through the protocol. Right now we are > considering spending three weeks at the Judevine School in St. Louis > to have a sort of " boot camp " like experience to help our boy with > language, socialization, and potty training. I know some of you have > incorporated ABA and other methods (ie. Floortime and RDI) along with > the protocol. The last thing I want to do is overstress our > child not to mention the stress of financing all of this therapy. But > at the same time I do not want to chance it and let the ABA go. > > > Is there anyone out there who regrets doing ABA? Does anyone have > experience with the Judevine School? Has anyone out there ever done a > sort of " boot camp " three week approach that was helpful and lasting? > By the way we think our fella is moderate ASD. > > > Any thoughts would be so appreciated. > > > Thanks, > Martha Wood > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 As with all information we parents have to form judgements on the advice we are being given (even from professionals we trust and respect) so it is worthwhile checking for objective scientific opinion rather than subjective views. Generalisation of skills is a potential difficulty for all developmentally compromised children across all areas of ability so does not just relate to ABA. In fact any intervention will likely cause stress for example when I used to take my non-verbal 4 year old son to speech language therapy he would physically anchor himself to the railings outside the clinic and I would have to prise his fingers away one by one to literally carry him in to the session where he would spend most of the session under the table in the early days. As a mother you absolutely feel his terror and sympathise but you have the job of being his bridge to the world so you endure to help him get to where he needs to be and that includes helping him cope with necessary stress. ABA works significantly well for some children and not for others and a real factor involved also is the competence of the therapists delivering therapy nevertheless ABA has a proven track record and has been subject to scientific research. I think Dr Goldberg's view on relating to children at their maturation level (which is the advice he also gave me) as opposed to their chronological age is thoughtful but typically parents in particular naturally respond to their children's level of language. The difficulty is that our children do not stay preschoolers and the world of education/socialisation is not always quite so accommodating. In a message dated 05/02/2009 22:23:21 GMT Standard Time, marthawood@... writes: In a nutshell Goldberg opposes ABA because it produces robotic responses that are often not generalized, involves unnatural bribery to learn, and can stress out a child. He advises us to treat as if he were a 2 year old (he is just now 4) and talk to him all the time and teach him naturalistically like we would a typical toddler. We do this already but do not feel it is enough. From: _@..._ (mailto: ) [mailto:_@..._ (mailto: ) ] On Behalf Of angie huiz Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:34 PM _@..._ (mailto: ) Subject: [sPAM]Re: ABA and What are the reasons and rationale for him being opposed? > From: Martha Wood <_marthawood@..._ (mailto:marthawood@...) <mailto:marthawood%mailto:marmai> > > Subject: ABA and > " groups (DOT) com " <_@..._ (mailto: ) <mailto:%mailto:%<Wmai> > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:53 AM > Hello all, > > I am in need of guidance. We had our phone consult with Dr. > G last night. He > is adamantly opposed to ABA and spent some time last night > go over why ABA > is not the right approach to take. Right now we have a good > 20 hour a week > in home program for our newly four year old son. I am too > afraid to let it > go and trust that all of our son's problems will > resolve in time through the > protocol. Right now we are considering spending three > weeks at the > Judevine School in St. Louis to have a sort of " boot > camp " like experience > to help our boy with language, socialization, and potty > training. I know > some of you have incorporated ABA and other methods (ie. > Floortime and RDI) > along with the protocol. The last thing I want to do > is overstress our > child not to mention the stress of financing all of this > therapy. But at the > same time I do not want to chance it and let the ABA go. > > > > Is there anyone out there who regrets doing ABA? Does > anyone have experience > with the Judevine School? Has anyone out there ever done a > sort of " boot > camp " three week approach that was helpful and > lasting? By the way we think > our fella is moderate ASD. > > > > Any thoughts would be so appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Martha Wood > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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