RE: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

March 1, 2009

My son gets very angry and irritable, and like you described, highly emotional.

One way I can tell it's soy (besides the slack angy expression on his face) is

that his pupils will be slightly dilated - not so much to qualify as dilated by

a doctor, but noticible compared to other people. ANY time I hear of a kid who

is very irritable and prone to anger, I think first soy, and second, allergy

meds.

It takes about 5 days for his reactions to soy to completely go away (and

probably for his mood to stabilize) if he has been reacting to it for a while,

but you can see improvement pretty quickly too.

Zyrtec made him irritable too, but not as bad as allegra, and you really need

allergy meds. So if you could pull the soy and get the mood stabilized, maybe

he can handle it.

HTH-

________________________________

From: Robyn <rngcoggs@...>

Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:10:50 AM

Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

Hi, Caroline.

Can you describe your son's reaction to soy? What sort of behaviors do

you see? I'm having a lot of trouble with highly emotional, irritable

and irrational behavior from my oldest. We went off rice milk per Dr.

G and went to soy milk. He's been eating the soy toffutti cuties,

which are like ice cream sandwiches, with no problem. I switched him

from Allergra to Zyrtec, thinking that was the problem. It did get

better, but not completely.

Any insight would be appreciated.

All the best,

Robyn

>

> ,

>

> Soy seems to be a problem for one of my boys as far as it affecting

his

> atiitude (and I know I¹m not the only one with a child with this

problem).

> Both of my sons react to soy on their food screens, but it only

seems

> to affect the one behaviorally. Dr. G told us said that soybean oil

should

> be OK as it doesn¹t contain the protein that he thinks they are

reacting to.

> That seems to hold true with my son. But soy lecithin seems to be a

trigger

> for him.

>

> Caroline G.

>

> From: Hankinson <jlhank80@.. .>

> Reply-<groups (DOT) com>

> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:30 -0800 (PST)

> <groups (DOT) com>

> Subject: Soy question and good days/bad days

>

> Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

> here...but I need help! I was wondering if anyone

> here has their child have problems with soy. And if

> so, is soybean oil acceptable?

>

March 1, 2009

Thank you , Caroline and everyone else for your

help. We are starting soy-free today. More cooking

for me *sigh*

My daughter is currently on no allergy meds this week

because she goes crazy on them. Next we will try

Singulair (according to Dr. )

I am really concerned about the poop prob, though.

They are bad again and once in awhile I have a good

one. I don't get it! I am hoping to figure things

out soon.

Thanks again for your help

-Jennie

--- <thecolemans4@...> wrote:

> My son gets very angry and irritable, and like you

> described, highly emotional. One way I can tell

> it's soy (besides the slack angy expression on his

> face) is that his pupils will be slightly dilated -

> not so much to qualify as dilated by a doctor, but

> noticible compared to other people. ANY time I hear

> of a kid who is very irritable and prone to anger, I

> think first soy, and second, allergy meds.

>

> It takes about 5 days for his reactions to soy to

> completely go away (and probably for his mood to

> stabilize) if he has been reacting to it for a

> while, but you can see improvement pretty quickly

> too.

>

> Zyrtec made him irritable too, but not as bad as

> allegra, and you really need allergy meds. So if

> you could pull the soy and get the mood stabilized,

> maybe he can handle it.

>

> HTH-

>

> ________________________________

> From: Robyn <rngcoggs@...>

>

> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:10:50 AM

> Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad

> days

>

> Hi, Caroline.

>

> Can you describe your son's reaction to soy? What

> sort of behaviors do

> you see? I'm having a lot of trouble with highly

> emotional, irritable

> and irrational behavior from my oldest. We went off

> rice milk per Dr.

> G and went to soy milk. He's been eating the soy

> toffutti cuties,

> which are like ice cream sandwiches, with no

> problem. I switched him

> from Allergra to Zyrtec, thinking that was the

> problem. It did get

> better, but not completely.

>

> Any insight would be appreciated.

>

> All the best,

>

> Robyn

>

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Soy seems to be a problem for one of my boys as

> far as it affecting

> his

> > atiitude (and I know I¹m not the only one with a

> child with this

> problem).

> > Both of my sons react to soy on their food

> screens, but it only

> seems

> > to affect the one behaviorally. Dr. G told us said

> that soybean oil

> should

> > be OK as it doesn¹t contain the protein that he

> thinks they are

> reacting to.

> > That seems to hold true with my son. But soy

> lecithin seems to be a

> trigger

> > for him.

> >

> > Caroline G.

> >

> > From: Hankinson <jlhank80@.. .>

> > Reply-<groups (DOT) com>

> > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:30 -0800 (PST)

> > <groups (DOT) com>

> > Subject: Soy question and good days/bad

> days

> >

> > Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

> > here...but I need help! I was wondering if anyone

> > here has their child have problems with soy. And

> if

> > so, is soybean oil acceptable?

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

May the Lord bless you and keep you!

Visit my blog

http://bloominwhereyourplanted.blogspot.com/

March 1, 2009

I had a discussion with Dr K today concerning gut and diet. She explained yet

the sugar is such an issue . When sugar is introduced into a gut with yeast

issues it is converted to alcohol which then effects behavior. Low carbs and low

sugar prevents this. Gut issues from yeast, sugar from fruits or carbs will

effect yeast, gut (poop) and behavior issues.

Bill

________________________________

From: Hankinson <jlhank80@...>

Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 6:34:17 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

Thank you , Caroline and everyone else for your

help. We are starting soy-free today. More cooking

for me *sigh*

My daughter is currently on no allergy meds this week

because she goes crazy on them. Next we will try

Singulair (according to Dr. )

I am really concerned about the poop prob, though.

They are bad again and once in awhile I have a good

one. I don't get it! I am hoping to figure things

out soon.

Thanks again for your help

-Jennie

--- <thecolemans4> wrote:

> My son gets very angry and irritable, and like you

> described, highly emotional. One way I can tell

> it's soy (besides the slack angy expression on his

> face) is that his pupils will be slightly dilated -

> not so much to qualify as dilated by a doctor, but

> noticible compared to other people. ANY time I hear

> of a kid who is very irritable and prone to anger, I

> think first soy, and second, allergy meds.

>

> It takes about 5 days for his reactions to soy to

> completely go away (and probably for his mood to

> stabilize) if he has been reacting to it for a

> while, but you can see improvement pretty quickly

> too.

>

> Zyrtec made him irritable too, but not as bad as

> allegra, and you really need allergy meds. So if

> you could pull the soy and get the mood stabilized,

> maybe he can handle it.

>

> HTH-

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Robyn <rngcoggssbcglobal (DOT) net>

> groups (DOT) com

> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:10:50 AM

> Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad

> days

>

> Hi, Caroline.

>

> Can you describe your son's reaction to soy? What

> sort of behaviors do

> you see? I'm having a lot of trouble with highly

> emotional, irritable

> and irrational behavior from my oldest. We went off

> rice milk per Dr.

> G and went to soy milk. He's been eating the soy

> toffutti cuties,

> which are like ice cream sandwiches, with no

> problem. I switched him

> from Allergra to Zyrtec, thinking that was the

> problem. It did get

> better, but not completely.

>

> Any insight would be appreciated.

>

> All the best,

>

> Robyn

>

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Soy seems to be a problem for one of my boys as

> far as it affecting

> his

> > atiitude (and I know I¹m not the only one with a

> child with this

> problem).

> > Both of my sons react to soy on their food

> screens, but it only

> seems

> > to affect the one behaviorally. Dr. G told us said

> that soybean oil

> should

> > be OK as it doesn¹t contain the protein that he

> thinks they are

> reacting to.

> > That seems to hold true with my son. But soy

> lecithin seems to be a

> trigger

> > for him.

> >

> > Caroline G.

> >

> > From: Hankinson <jlhank80@.. .>

> > Reply-<groups (DOT) com>

> > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:30 -0800 (PST)

> > <groups (DOT) com>

> > Subject: Soy question and good days/bad

> days

> >

> > Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

> > here...but I need help! I was wondering if anyone

> > here has their child have problems with soy. And

> if

> > so, is soybean oil acceptable?

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

May the Lord bless you and keep you!

Visit my blog

http://bloominwhere yourplanted. blogspot. com/

March 1, 2009

Thank you for that suggestion, Bill. I have a quick

question about that, though. My daughter is pretty

low carb/sugar. She is on Diflucan, too, although I

know that isn't the total piece of the yeast puzzle.

Doesn't a 3 year old girl need some carbs, though?

Wouldn't hypoglycemia be an issue then?

I really appreciate the input.

-Jen

--- Bill klimas <klimas_bill@...> wrote:

>

> I had a discussion with Dr K today concerning gut

> and diet. She explained yet the sugar is such an

> issue . When sugar is introduced into a gut with

> yeast issues it is converted to alcohol which then

> effects behavior. Low carbs and low sugar prevents

> this. Gut issues from yeast, sugar from fruits or

> carbs will effect yeast, gut (poop) and behavior

> issues.

> Bill

>

> ________________________________

> From: Hankinson <jlhank80@...>

>

> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 6:34:17 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Soy question and good

> days/bad days

>

> Thank you , Caroline and everyone else for

> your

> help. We are starting soy-free today. More cooking

> for me *sigh*

>

> My daughter is currently on no allergy meds this

> week

> because she goes crazy on them. Next we will try

> Singulair (according to Dr. )

>

> I am really concerned about the poop prob, though.

> They are bad again and once in awhile I have a good

> one. I don't get it! I am hoping to figure things

> out soon.

>

> Thanks again for your help

> -Jennie

> --- <thecolemans4> wrote:

>

> > My son gets very angry and irritable, and like you

> > described, highly emotional. One way I can tell

> > it's soy (besides the slack angy expression on his

> > face) is that his pupils will be slightly dilated

> -

> > not so much to qualify as dilated by a doctor, but

> > noticible compared to other people. ANY time I

> hear

> > of a kid who is very irritable and prone to anger,

> I

> > think first soy, and second, allergy meds.

> >

> > It takes about 5 days for his reactions to soy to

> > completely go away (and probably for his mood to

> > stabilize) if he has been reacting to it for a

> > while, but you can see improvement pretty quickly

> > too.

> >

> > Zyrtec made him irritable too, but not as bad as

> > allegra, and you really need allergy meds. So if

> > you could pull the soy and get the mood

> stabilized,

> > maybe he can handle it.

> >

> > HTH-

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Robyn <rngcoggssbcglobal (DOT) net>

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:10:50 AM

> > Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad

> > days

> >

> > Hi, Caroline.

> >

> > Can you describe your son's reaction to soy? What

> > sort of behaviors do

> > you see? I'm having a lot of trouble with highly

> > emotional, irritable

> > and irrational behavior from my oldest. We went

> off

> > rice milk per Dr.

> > G and went to soy milk. He's been eating the soy

> > toffutti cuties,

> > which are like ice cream sandwiches, with no

> > problem. I switched him

> > from Allergra to Zyrtec, thinking that was the

> > problem. It did get

> > better, but not completely.

> >

> > Any insight would be appreciated.

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Robyn

> >

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > Soy seems to be a problem for one of my boys as

> > far as it affecting

> > his

> > > atiitude (and I know I¹m not the only one with a

> > child with this

> > problem).

> > > Both of my sons react to soy on their food

> > screens, but it only

> > seems

> > > to affect the one behaviorally. Dr. G told us

> said

> > that soybean oil

> > should

> > > be OK as it doesn¹t contain the protein that he

> > thinks they are

> > reacting to.

> > > That seems to hold true with my son. But soy

> > lecithin seems to be a

> > trigger

> > > for him.

> > >

> > > Caroline G.

> > >

> > > From: Hankinson <jlhank80@.. .>

> > > Reply-<groups (DOT) com>

> > > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:30 -0800 (PST)

> > > <groups (DOT) com>

> > > Subject: Soy question and good days/bad

> > days

> > >

> > > Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

> > > here...but I need help! I was wondering if

> anyone

> > > here has their child have problems with soy. And

> > if

> > > so, is soybean oil acceptable?

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

>

> May the Lord bless you and keep you!

>

> Visit my blog

>

> http://bloominwhere yourplanted. blogspot. com/

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

May the Lord bless you and keep you!

Visit my blog

http://bloominwhereyourplanted.blogspot.com/

March 1, 2009

I think I need a 12-step program to quit sugar. I haven't been able to kick it

(Dr Pepper is a quack). I appreciate your post, Bill - I will have to face up

to the fact that I'm keeping myself sick if I continue this way. I broke the

habit once before, surely I can again.

Thanks,

________________________________

From: Bill klimas <klimas_bill@...>

Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 8:27:52 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

I had a discussion with Dr K today concerning gut and diet. She explained yet

the sugar is such an issue . When sugar is introduced into a gut with yeast

issues it is converted to alcohol which then effects behavior. Low carbs and low

sugar prevents this. Gut issues from yeast, sugar from fruits or carbs will

effect yeast, gut (poop) and behavior issues.

Bill

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Hankinson <jlhank80 (DOT) com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 6:34:17 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

Thank you , Caroline and everyone else for your

help. We are starting soy-free today. More cooking

for me *sigh*

My daughter is currently on no allergy meds this week

because she goes crazy on them. Next we will try

Singulair (according to Dr. )

I am really concerned about the poop prob, though.

They are bad again and once in awhile I have a good

one. I don't get it! I am hoping to figure things

out soon.

Thanks again for your help

-Jennie

--- <thecolemans4> wrote:

> My son gets very angry and irritable, and like you

> described, highly emotional. One way I can tell

> it's soy (besides the slack angy expression on his

> face) is that his pupils will be slightly dilated -

> not so much to qualify as dilated by a doctor, but

> noticible compared to other people. ANY time I hear

> of a kid who is very irritable and prone to anger, I

> think first soy, and second, allergy meds.

>

> It takes about 5 days for his reactions to soy to

> completely go away (and probably for his mood to

> stabilize) if he has been reacting to it for a

> while, but you can see improvement pretty quickly

> too.

>

> Zyrtec made him irritable too, but not as bad as

> allegra, and you really need allergy meds. So if

> you could pull the soy and get the mood stabilized,

> maybe he can handle it.

>

> HTH-

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Robyn <rngcoggs@sbcglobal . net>

> groups (DOT) com

> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:10:50 AM

> Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad

> days

>

> Hi, Caroline.

>

> Can you describe your son's reaction to soy? What

> sort of behaviors do

> you see? I'm having a lot of trouble with highly

> emotional, irritable

> and irrational behavior from my oldest. We went off

> rice milk per Dr.

> G and went to soy milk. He's been eating the soy

> toffutti cuties,

> which are like ice cream sandwiches, with no

> problem. I switched him

> from Allergra to Zyrtec, thinking that was the

> problem. It did get

> better, but not completely.

>

> Any insight would be appreciated.

>

> All the best,

>

> Robyn

>

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Soy seems to be a problem for one of my boys as

> far as it affecting

> his

> > atiitude (and I know I¹m not the only one with a

> child with this

> problem).

> > Both of my sons react to soy on their food

> screens, but it only

> seems

> > to affect the one behaviorally. Dr. G told us said

> that soybean oil

> should

> > be OK as it doesn¹t contain the protein that he

> thinks they are

> reacting to.

> > That seems to hold true with my son. But soy

> lecithin seems to be a

> trigger

> > for him.

> >

> > Caroline G.

> >

> > From: Hankinson <jlhank80@.. .>

> > Reply-<groups (DOT) com>

> > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:30 -0800 (PST)

> > <groups (DOT) com>

> > Subject: Soy question and good days/bad

> days

> >

> > Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

> > here...but I need help! I was wondering if anyone

> > here has their child have problems with soy. And

> if

> > so, is soybean oil acceptable?

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

May the Lord bless you and keep you!

Visit my blog

http://bloominwhere yourplanted. blogspot. com/

March 1, 2009

Complex carbs help us feel fuller for longer (satiety).

I have hypoglycemia. The best way for me to eat is small meals (4-5

times/day) with lean protein, a small serving of a complex grain, and

vegetables. Low sugar is best for me (but doesn’t mean I do it!).

I do not do well with no carbs (I’m hungry all the time without them), but

small amounts of complex carbs with protein are best. My ‘rule’ for

simplicity sake is a palm-sized serving of protein, a baseball sized serving

of a whole grain, and two baseballs (or half a plate) of veggies whenever

possible.

Kristy

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Hankinson

Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 7:03 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

Thank you for that suggestion, Bill. I have a quick

question about that, though. My daughter is pretty

low carb/sugar. She is on Diflucan, too, although I

know that isn't the total piece of the yeast puzzle.

Doesn't a 3 year old girl need some carbs, though?

Wouldn't hypoglycemia be an issue then?

I really appreciate the input.

-Jen

--- Bill klimas <klimas_bill@... <mailto:klimas_bill%40> >

wrote:

>

> I had a discussion with Dr K today concerning gut

> and diet. She explained yet the sugar is such an

> issue . When sugar is introduced into a gut with

> yeast issues it is converted to alcohol which then

> effects behavior. Low carbs and low sugar prevents

> this. Gut issues from yeast, sugar from fruits or

> carbs will effect yeast, gut (poop) and behavior

> issues.

> Bill

>

> ________________________________

> From: Hankinson <jlhank80@... <mailto:jlhank80%40>

>

> <mailto:%40>

> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 6:34:17 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Soy question and good

> days/bad days

>

> Thank you , Caroline and everyone else for

> your

> help. We are starting soy-free today. More cooking

> for me *sigh*

>

> My daughter is currently on no allergy meds this

> week

> because she goes crazy on them. Next we will try

> Singulair (according to Dr. )

>

> I am really concerned about the poop prob, though.

> They are bad again and once in awhile I have a good

> one. I don't get it! I am hoping to figure things

> out soon.

>

> Thanks again for your help

> -Jennie

> --- <thecolemans4> wrote:

>

> > My son gets very angry and irritable, and like you

> > described, highly emotional. One way I can tell

> > it's soy (besides the slack angy expression on his

> > face) is that his pupils will be slightly dilated

> -

> > not so much to qualify as dilated by a doctor, but

> > noticible compared to other people. ANY time I

> hear

> > of a kid who is very irritable and prone to anger,

> I

> > think first soy, and second, allergy meds.

> >

> > It takes about 5 days for his reactions to soy to

> > completely go away (and probably for his mood to

> > stabilize) if he has been reacting to it for a

> > while, but you can see improvement pretty quickly

> > too.

> >

> > Zyrtec made him irritable too, but not as bad as

> > allegra, and you really need allergy meds. So if

> > you could pull the soy and get the mood

> stabilized,

> > maybe he can handle it.

> >

> > HTH-

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Robyn <rngcoggssbcglobal (DOT) net>

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:10:50 AM

> > Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad

> > days

> >

> > Hi, Caroline.

> >

> > Can you describe your son's reaction to soy? What

> > sort of behaviors do

> > you see? I'm having a lot of trouble with highly

> > emotional, irritable

> > and irrational behavior from my oldest. We went

> off

> > rice milk per Dr.

> > G and went to soy milk. He's been eating the soy

> > toffutti cuties,

> > which are like ice cream sandwiches, with no

> > problem. I switched him

> > from Allergra to Zyrtec, thinking that was the

> > problem. It did get

> > better, but not completely.

> >

> > Any insight would be appreciated.

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Robyn

> >

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > Soy seems to be a problem for one of my boys as

> > far as it affecting

> > his

> > > atiitude (and I know I¹m not the only one with a

> > child with this

> > problem).

> > > Both of my sons react to soy on their food

> > screens, but it only

> > seems

> > > to affect the one behaviorally. Dr. G told us

> said

> > that soybean oil

> > should

> > > be OK as it doesn¹t contain the protein that he

> > thinks they are

> > reacting to.

> > > That seems to hold true with my son. But soy

> > lecithin seems to be a

> > trigger

> > > for him.

> > >

> > > Caroline G.

> > >

> > > From: Hankinson <jlhank80@.. .>

> > > Reply-<groups (DOT) com>

> > > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:30 -0800 (PST)

> > > <groups (DOT) com>

> > > Subject: Soy question and good days/bad

> > days

> > >

> > > Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

> > > here...but I need help! I was wondering if

> anyone

> > > here has their child have problems with soy. And

> > if

> > > so, is soybean oil acceptable?

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

>

> May the Lord bless you and keep you!

>

> Visit my blog

>

> http://bloominwhere yourplanted. blogspot. com/

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

May the Lord bless you and keep you!

Visit my blog

http://bloominwhereyourplanted.blogspot.com/

March 2, 2009

I do not mean that it wa implied that there should be no carb. Jut a controled

volume of complex carbs. I agree, lean protien and a small complex carb and a

veggie starts my sons day. Rice cerial or cornflakes does well for us. I will

give him white toast as well.

________________________________

From: Hankinson <jlhank80@...>

Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 10:02:31 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

Thank you for that suggestion, Bill. I have a quick

question about that, though. My daughter is pretty

low carb/sugar. She is on Diflucan, too, although I

know that isn't the total piece of the yeast puzzle.

Doesn't a 3 year old girl need some carbs, though?

Wouldn't hypoglycemia be an issue then?

I really appreciate the input.

-Jen

--- Bill klimas <klimas_bill> wrote:

>

> I had a discussion with Dr K today concerning gut

> and diet. She explained yet the sugar is such an

> issue . When sugar is introduced into a gut with

> yeast issues it is converted to alcohol which then

> effects behavior. Low carbs and low sugar prevents

> this. Gut issues from yeast, sugar from fruits or

> carbs will effect yeast, gut (poop) and behavior

> issues.

> Bill

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Hankinson <jlhank80 (DOT) com>

> groups (DOT) com

> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 6:34:17 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Soy question and good

> days/bad days

>

> Thank you , Caroline and everyone else for

> your

> help. We are starting soy-free today. More cooking

> for me *sigh*

>

> My daughter is currently on no allergy meds this

> week

> because she goes crazy on them. Next we will try

> Singulair (according to Dr. )

>

> I am really concerned about the poop prob, though.

> They are bad again and once in awhile I have a good

> one. I don't get it! I am hoping to figure things

> out soon.

>

> Thanks again for your help

> -Jennie

> --- <thecolemans4> wrote:

>

> > My son gets very angry and irritable, and like you

> > described, highly emotional. One way I can tell

> > it's soy (besides the slack angy expression on his

> > face) is that his pupils will be slightly dilated

> -

> > not so much to qualify as dilated by a doctor, but

> > noticible compared to other people. ANY time I

> hear

> > of a kid who is very irritable and prone to anger,

> I

> > think first soy, and second, allergy meds.

> >

> > It takes about 5 days for his reactions to soy to

> > completely go away (and probably for his mood to

> > stabilize) if he has been reacting to it for a

> > while, but you can see improvement pretty quickly

> > too.

> >

> > Zyrtec made him irritable too, but not as bad as

> > allegra, and you really need allergy meds. So if

> > you could pull the soy and get the mood

> stabilized,

> > maybe he can handle it.

> >

> > HTH-

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Robyn <rngcoggs@sbcglobal . net>

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:10:50 AM

> > Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad

> > days

> >

> > Hi, Caroline.

> >

> > Can you describe your son's reaction to soy? What

> > sort of behaviors do

> > you see? I'm having a lot of trouble with highly

> > emotional, irritable

> > and irrational behavior from my oldest. We went

> off

> > rice milk per Dr.

> > G and went to soy milk. He's been eating the soy

> > toffutti cuties,

> > which are like ice cream sandwiches, with no

> > problem. I switched him

> > from Allergra to Zyrtec, thinking that was the

> > problem. It did get

> > better, but not completely.

> >

> > Any insight would be appreciated.

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Robyn

> >

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > Soy seems to be a problem for one of my boys as

> > far as it affecting

> > his

> > > atiitude (and I know I¹m not the only one with a

> > child with this

> > problem).

> > > Both of my sons react to soy on their food

> > screens, but it only

> > seems

> > > to affect the one behaviorally. Dr. G told us

> said

> > that soybean oil

> > should

> > > be OK as it doesn¹t contain the protein that he

> > thinks they are

> > reacting to.

> > > That seems to hold true with my son. But soy

> > lecithin seems to be a

> > trigger

> > > for him.

> > >

> > > Caroline G.

> > >

> > > From: Hankinson <jlhank80@.. .>

> > > Reply-<groups (DOT) com>

> > > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:30 -0800 (PST)

> > > <groups (DOT) com>

> > > Subject: Soy question and good days/bad

> > days

> > >

> > > Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

> > > here...but I need help! I was wondering if

> anyone

> > > here has their child have problems with soy. And

> > if

> > > so, is soybean oil acceptable?

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

>

> May the Lord bless you and keep you!

>

> Visit my blog

>

> http://bloominwhere yourplanted. blogspot. com/

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

May the Lord bless you and keep you!

Visit my blog

http://bloominwhere yourplanted. blogspot. com/

March 2, 2009

ok great! Will make sure I try that

Thanks,

Jen

--- Bill klimas <klimas_bill@...> wrote:

> I do not mean that it wa implied that there should

> be no carb. Jut a controled volume of complex carbs.

> I agree, lean protien and a small complex carb and a

> veggie starts my sons day. Rice cerial or cornflakes

> does well for us. I will give him white toast as

> well.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Hankinson <jlhank80@...>

>

> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 10:02:31 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Soy question and good

> days/bad days

>

> Thank you for that suggestion, Bill. I have a quick

> question about that, though. My daughter is pretty

> low carb/sugar. She is on Diflucan, too, although I

> know that isn't the total piece of the yeast puzzle.

>

> Doesn't a 3 year old girl need some carbs, though?

> Wouldn't hypoglycemia be an issue then?

>

> I really appreciate the input.

> -Jen

>

> --- Bill klimas <klimas_bill> wrote:

>

> >

> > I had a discussion with Dr K today concerning gut

> > and diet. She explained yet the sugar is such an

> > issue . When sugar is introduced into a gut with

> > yeast issues it is converted to alcohol which then

> > effects behavior. Low carbs and low sugar prevents

> > this. Gut issues from yeast, sugar from fruits or

> > carbs will effect yeast, gut (poop) and behavior

> > issues.

> > Bill

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Hankinson <jlhank80 (DOT) com>

> > groups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 6:34:17 PM

> > Subject: Re: Re: Soy question and good

> > days/bad days

> >

> > Thank you , Caroline and everyone else for

> > your

> > help. We are starting soy-free today. More

> cooking

> > for me *sigh*

> >

> > My daughter is currently on no allergy meds this

> > week

> > because she goes crazy on them. Next we will try

> > Singulair (according to Dr. )

> >

> > I am really concerned about the poop prob, though.

>

> > They are bad again and once in awhile I have a

> good

> > one. I don't get it! I am hoping to figure

> things

> > out soon.

> >

> > Thanks again for your help

> > -Jennie

> > --- <thecolemans4>

> wrote:

> >

> > > My son gets very angry and irritable, and like

> you

> > > described, highly emotional. One way I can tell

> > > it's soy (besides the slack angy expression on

> his

> > > face) is that his pupils will be slightly

> dilated

> > -

> > > not so much to qualify as dilated by a doctor,

> but

> > > noticible compared to other people. ANY time I

> > hear

> > > of a kid who is very irritable and prone to

> anger,

> > I

> > > think first soy, and second, allergy meds.

> > >

> > > It takes about 5 days for his reactions to soy

> to

> > > completely go away (and probably for his mood to

> > > stabilize) if he has been reacting to it for a

> > > while, but you can see improvement pretty

> quickly

> > > too.

> > >

> > > Zyrtec made him irritable too, but not as bad as

> > > allegra, and you really need allergy meds. So

> if

> > > you could pull the soy and get the mood

> > stabilized,

> > > maybe he can handle it.

> > >

> > > HTH-

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: Robyn <rngcoggs@sbcglobal . net>

> > > groups (DOT) com

> > > Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:10:50 AM

> > > Subject: Re: Soy question and good

> days/bad

> > > days

> > >

> > > Hi, Caroline.

> > >

> > > Can you describe your son's reaction to soy?

> What

> > > sort of behaviors do

> > > you see? I'm having a lot of trouble with highly

> > > emotional, irritable

> > > and irrational behavior from my oldest. We went

> > off

> > > rice milk per Dr.

> > > G and went to soy milk. He's been eating the soy

> > > toffutti cuties,

> > > which are like ice cream sandwiches, with no

> > > problem. I switched him

> > > from Allergra to Zyrtec, thinking that was the

> > > problem. It did get

> > > better, but not completely.

> > >

> > > Any insight would be appreciated.

> > >

> > > All the best,

> > >

> > > Robyn

> > >

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > Soy seems to be a problem for one of my boys

> as

> > > far as it affecting

> > > his

> > > > atiitude (and I know I¹m not the only one with

> a

> > > child with this

> > > problem).

> > > > Both of my sons react to soy on their

> food

> > > screens, but it only

> > > seems

> > > > to affect the one behaviorally. Dr. G told us

> > said

> > > that soybean oil

> > > should

> > > > be OK as it doesn¹t contain the protein that

> he

> > > thinks they are

> > > reacting to.

> > > > That seems to hold true with my son. But soy

> > > lecithin seems to be a

> > > trigger

> > > > for him.

> > > >

> > > > Caroline G.

> > > >

> > > > From: Hankinson <jlhank80@.. .>

> > > > Reply-<groups (DOT) com>

> > > > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:30 -0800 (PST)

> > > > <groups (DOT) com>

> > > > Subject: Soy question and good days/bad

> > > days

> > > >

> > > > Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions

> on

> > > > here...but I need help! I was wondering if

> > anyone

> > > > here has their child have problems with soy.

> And

> > > if

> > > > so, is soybean oil acceptable?

> > > >

>

=== message truncated ===

May the Lord bless you and keep you!

Visit my blog

http://bloominwhereyourplanted.blogspot.com/

March 2, 2009

Robyn,

Your description sounds familiar.

Mine gets an angry, mean, and uncooperative attitude. It seems to rule him.

One day when he was acting this way, he said ³My brain won¹t let me be

nice.² He becomes so stubborn that consequences don¹t even faze him...

he¹ll just disobey anyway and then sob and cry because he¹s just lost the

privilege we told him he would lose (when he went ahead and did the ³deed²

anyway after he was warned).

He seems to be able to get away with a bit of soy protein every once in a

while (and I thank for helping me to figure this out when I read her

posts). It almost seems to have a cumulative effect... a threshold.

Caroline G.

From: Robyn <rngcoggs@...>

Reply-< >

Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:10:50 +0000

< >

Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

Hi, Caroline.

Can you describe your son's reaction to soy? What sort of behaviors do

you see? I'm having a lot of trouble with highly emotional, irritable

and irrational behavior from my oldest. We went off rice milk per Dr.

G and went to soy milk. He's been eating the soy toffutti cuties,

which are like ice cream sandwiches, with no problem. I switched him

from Allergra to Zyrtec, thinking that was the problem. It did get

better, but not completely.

Any insight would be appreciated.

All the best,

Robyn

March 2, 2009

What about physically? has eczema, which went away when we took away eggs

and peanut butter. Now it's back again and the only thing I can think of is we

switched from rice milk to soy milk.

robyn

> From: Caroline Glover <sfglover@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

>

> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 5:44 AM

> Robyn,

>

> Your description sounds familiar.

>

> Mine gets an angry, mean, and uncooperative attitude. It

> seems to rule him.

> One day when he was acting this way, he said ³My brain

> won¹t let me be

> nice.² He becomes so stubborn that consequences don¹t

> even faze him...

> he¹ll just disobey anyway and then sob and cry because

> he¹s just lost the

> privilege we told him he would lose (when he went ahead and

> did the ³deed²

> anyway after he was warned).

>

> He seems to be able to get away with a bit of soy protein

> every once in a

> while (and I thank for helping me to figure this

> out when I read her

> posts). It almost seems to have a cumulative effect... a

> threshold.

>

> Caroline G.

>

> From: Robyn <rngcoggs@...>

> Reply-< >

> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:10:50 +0000

> < >

> Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

>

> Hi, Caroline.

>

> Can you describe your son's reaction to soy? What sort

> of behaviors do

> you see? I'm having a lot of trouble with highly

> emotional, irritable

> and irrational behavior from my oldest. We went off rice

> milk per Dr.

> G and went to soy milk. He's been eating the soy

> toffutti cuties,

> which are like ice cream sandwiches, with no problem. I

> switched him

> from Allergra to Zyrtec, thinking that was the problem. It

> did get

> better, but not completely.

>

> Any insight would be appreciated.

>

> All the best,

>

> Robyn

>

March 2, 2009

Thanks, everyone, for the postings regarding soy. I really think this could be

his issue.

Robyn

>

> > My son gets very angry and irritable, and like you

> > described, highly emotional. One way I can tell

> > it's soy (besides the slack angy expression on his

> > face) is that his pupils will be slightly dilated -

> > not so much to qualify as dilated by a doctor, but

> > noticible compared to other people. ANY time I hear

> > of a kid who is very irritable and prone to anger, I

> > think first soy, and second, allergy meds.

> >

> > It takes about 5 days for his reactions to soy to

> > completely go away (and probably for his mood to

> > stabilize) if he has been reacting to it for a

> > while, but you can see improvement pretty quickly

> > too.

> >

> > Zyrtec made him irritable too, but not as bad as

> > allegra, and you really need allergy meds. So if

> > you could pull the soy and get the mood stabilized,

> > maybe he can handle it.

> >

> > HTH-

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Robyn <rngcoggs@...>

> >

> > Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:10:50 AM

> > Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad

> > days

> >

> > Hi, Caroline.

> >

> > Can you describe your son's reaction to soy? What

> > sort of behaviors do

> > you see? I'm having a lot of trouble with highly

> > emotional, irritable

> > and irrational behavior from my oldest. We went off

> > rice milk per Dr.

> > G and went to soy milk. He's been eating the soy

> > toffutti cuties,

> > which are like ice cream sandwiches, with no

> > problem. I switched him

> > from Allergra to Zyrtec, thinking that was the

> > problem. It did get

> > better, but not completely.

> >

> > Any insight would be appreciated.

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Robyn

> >

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > Soy seems to be a problem for one of my boys as

> > far as it affecting

> > his

> > > atiitude (and I know I¹m not the only one with a

> > child with this

> > problem).

> > > Both of my sons react to soy on their food

> > screens, but it only

> > seems

> > > to affect the one behaviorally. Dr. G told us

> said

> > that soybean oil

> > should

> > > be OK as it doesn¹t contain the protein that he

> > thinks they are

> > reacting to.

> > > That seems to hold true with my son. But soy

> > lecithin seems to be a

> > trigger

> > > for him.

> > >

> > > Caroline G.

> > >

> > > From: Hankinson <jlhank80@.. .>

> > > Reply-<groups (DOT) com>

> > > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:30 -0800 (PST)

> > > <groups (DOT) com>

> > > Subject: Soy question and good days/bad

> > days

> > >

> > > Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

> > > here...but I need help! I was wondering if anyone

> > > here has their child have problems with soy. And

> > if

> > > so, is soybean oil acceptable?

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

>

> May the Lord bless you and keep you!

>

> Visit my blog

>

> http://bloominwhereyourplanted.blogspot.com/

March 2, 2009

Robyn,

We don¹t have the eczema problem with our boys, but I know someone whose son

was so

sensitive to soy lecithin that when he ate a stick of gum which contained

it,

he immediately broke out in a rash around his mouth. He had terrible eczema

that improved greatly when they removed soy.

Caroline G.

From: Robyn & Greg Coggins <rngcoggs@...>

Reply-< >

Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:13:18 -0800 (PST)

< >

Subject: Re: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

What about physically? has eczema, which went away when we took away

eggs and peanut butter. Now it's back again and the only thing I can think

of is we switched from rice milk to soy milk.

robyn

March 2, 2009

I'm glad to know you have the same problem - not glad that you have it - just

that someone else who I trust does too and I'm not just crazy!

I worried that somehow I had a subtle paranoia about the allergy meds and blamed

them the same way people do the placebo effects. (I have this incredible amount

of doubt from years of neuroimmune stuff that was never understood and was

therefore told that was impossible.) Only in the last few years did anyone give

me reasonable explanations as to why that can be so, and of course Dr Goldberg

and Dr know that they can be bad irritability triggers too, so it's not

as embarrassing to tell them that.

Fortunately the Dytan doesn't seem to whack them out, but it's not the best one

either (or does it?). My youngest can tell the nasal sprays help, and reminds

me when I forget. Now " the season " is coming up, so I need to get tight with

getting those sprays going.

Did you ever try singulair, and did you have any negative reactions? I need to

try it for my gastritis (it might be eosiniphilic gastritis, 'cause allegra

helped it tremendously)... but again, I'm always nervous about the side effects

and can't remember if singulair did that to me or not.

Thanks,

________________________________

From: Marcia Hinds <hindssite@...>

thecolemans4@...;

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:27:55 AM

Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

,

Both and I can't take Antihistamines because we react to them. Dr. G

always wants him to take them but we just don't. Instead we use a nasal

spray like Beconase, Flonase or Naselnex. For us Beconase works best. Also

it is important to remember that due to lack of language sometimes it is

hard to tell what is a reaction and what is frustration. They know what

they want to say but can't express it. When I was raising my " normal "

daughter the worst time was when she was 12-18 months. She wanted to tell

me things but didn't know how to say the words yet,

Marcia

March 2, 2009

I had an interesting thing happen the other morning. My son woke up real

early (4:00 am) and was playing on the computer. I woke up when I heard

him coughing. I gave him Triaminic Night Time cold and allergy. He fell

back asleep when it was time to go to school. It was hard to get him

ready because he was so knocked out. I was afraid he would be knocked

out at school. When I picked him up the aide was so excited. She said he

had the best morning ever. He was totally focused and got a bunch of

stuff done, even back work. Triaminic might be a better option then

Zyrtec or Allegra. I don't know. I've been tempted to it to him every

morning but I haven't. I usually give this at bedtime if he is

congested. My guess is the antihistimine in Triaminic really helped him

to focus. ??? Jerri

>

> My son gets very angry and irritable, and like you described, highly

> emotional. One way I can tell it's soy (besides the slack angy

> expression on his face) is that his pupils will be slightly dilated -

> not so much to qualify as dilated by a doctor, but noticible compared

> to other people. ANY time I hear of a kid who is very irritable and

> prone to anger, I think first soy, and second, allergy meds.

>

> It takes about 5 days for his reactions to soy to completely go away

> (and probably for his mood to stabilize) if he has been reacting to it

> for a while, but you can see improvement pretty quickly too.

>

> Zyrtec made him irritable too, but not as bad as allegra, and you

> really need allergy meds. So if you could pull the soy and get the

> mood stabilized, maybe he can handle it.

>

> HTH-

>

> ________________________________

> From: Robyn <rngcoggs@... <mailto:rngcoggs%40sbcglobal.net>>

> <mailto:%40>

> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:10:50 AM

> Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

>

> Hi, Caroline.

>

> Can you describe your son's reaction to soy? What sort of behaviors do

> you see? I'm having a lot of trouble with highly emotional, irritable

> and irrational behavior from my oldest. We went off rice milk per Dr.

> G and went to soy milk. He's been eating the soy toffutti cuties,

> which are like ice cream sandwiches, with no problem. I switched him

> from Allergra to Zyrtec, thinking that was the problem. It did get

> better, but not completely.

>

> Any insight would be appreciated.

>

> All the best,

>

> Robyn

>

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Soy seems to be a problem for one of my boys as far as it affecting

> his

> > atiitude (and I know I¹m not the only one with a child with this

> problem).

> > Both of my sons react to soy on their food screens, but it only

> seems

> > to affect the one behaviorally. Dr. G told us said that soybean oil

> should

> > be OK as it doesn¹t contain the protein that he thinks they are

> reacting to.

> > That seems to hold true with my son. But soy lecithin seems to be a

> trigger

> > for him.

> >

> > Caroline G.

> >

> > From: Hankinson <jlhank80@.. .>

> > Reply-<groups (DOT) com>

> > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:30 -0800 (PST)

> > <groups (DOT) com>

> > Subject: Soy question and good days/bad days

> >

> > Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

> > here...but I need help! I was wondering if anyone

> > here has their child have problems with soy. And if

> > so, is soybean oil acceptable?

> >

March 2, 2009

His diet is shrinking by the day, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Thanks for

the input. I think we've found our culprit.

All the best,

Robyn

> From: Caroline Glover <sfglover@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

>

> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 9:22 AM

> Robyn,

>

> We don¹t have the eczema problem with our boys, but I know

> someone whose son

> was so

> sensitive to soy lecithin that when he ate a stick of gum

> which contained

> it,

> he immediately broke out in a rash around his mouth. He

> had terrible eczema

> that improved greatly when they removed soy.

>

> Caroline G.

>

> From: Robyn & Greg Coggins

> <rngcoggs@...>

> Reply-< >

> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:13:18 -0800 (PST)

> < >

> Subject: Re: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

>

> What about physically? has eczema, which went away

> when we took away

> eggs and peanut butter. Now it's back again and the

> only thing I can think

> of is we switched from rice milk to soy milk.

>

> robyn

>

March 2, 2009

The antihistamine in Triaminic nighttime is the same as Benadryl. The

decongestant is the same as neo-synephrine. Whoa! My son would have been

grinding his teeth and bouncing off the walls!

Kristy

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jerri

Gann

Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:25 PM