Re: Puzzling New Behaviors

February 26, 2009

I'd bet it's a combo. I'd treat it as behavioral but without making him feel

like a bad person (we saw Garrett do things like that at 5 or 6 - the writing on

the walls). The urinating ... that depends on the pattern - can he explain

why? There can be some ocd associated w/urinary behaviors. If it's purposeful,

I'd get help quick, but if it's just that he doesn't see the need to go thru all

the trouble to go to the potty, or the urge hits too fast, that's different.

One is cognitive, one is physical processing. If it's purposeful, natural

consequences may help more (making him clean it up himself), and positive

rewarding of going to the potty (and having a great big party) is very

important. You can put cheerios in the potty for him to 'chase' and make it

fun.

Urinary hormones can get out of whack w/no other symptoms and lead to accidents

due to not being able to feel the need to go... but that doesn't sound much like

the problem, or you'd be having a lot of accidents and probably bed wetting.

That's the kind of thing you see w/infection I think...

Good luck! Hope you don't have soaking carpets. This too shall ... pass.

At least it's not poo (yet)!

________________________________

From: Robyn <rngcoggs@...>

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:01:01 AM

Subject: Puzzling New Behaviors

My son Noah,8, has been on Dr. G's protocol for a little over a year

now and is making incredible progress. In the past couple of weeks,

we've seen some wonderful academic gains, but some strange new

behaviors have emerged. He's engaging in behaviors that you might see

in a 3 or 4 year old. He is writing on my walls, something he's never

done before. The most disturbing behavior is that he's urinating in

other places but the toilet. My first thought was an infection of some

sort, but we've pretty much ruled that out. I'm almost certain it's

behavioral in nature.

Typically with Noah, when we see gains in one area, we see a temporary

regression in other areas. Could he be " waking up " developmentally and

is becoming more aware of his body, or is this an issue of control?

Both?

Any insight would be appreciated.

Robyn

February 26, 2009

Robyn,

I second everything said, and...

Sometimes when we have moved up on the SSRI dose, one of my boys has had

wetting accidents because he can¹t feel when he HAS to go... and then it¹s

too late. This has not necessarily been too high a dose... just took a

couple of weeks to adjust (NOT fun).

Then again, we have ended up on too high a dose of meds (can¹t remember

which one...maybe an SSRI?) and seen bizarre behavior, such as spitting on

the floor. Very out of character. When we backed down the behavior went

away.

The fact that you¹re seeing such great academic gains does make me wonder if

it¹s behavioral.

Those are my only thoughts... as you well know, there are plenty of things

that can throw our kids off.

Hang in there. I wish I could lend you my Bissell Spotlifter!

Caroline G.

February 26, 2009

Oh, we did the " poo " route when he was about 2 1/2 years old. All over the walls

in his bedroom--it was horrible!

Regarding the current problem, I am employing natural consequences--he has to

wipe it up and he has a timeout. We are reinforcing using the potty. As far as

control is concerned, he has excellent control. He will stop and start his

stream numerous times while urinating. We actually have to encourage him to make

sure he's voiding his bladder completely.

He really doesn't have the expressive language to explain why he's doing it. My

sense is that he's experimenting. He definitely knows it's wrong because he

tried to hide it from me by covering it with his shoe.

It actually reminded me of something I read before potty training my kids. It's

one of the few things that they have control over and some kids are just

reluctant to " give up " that control.

Well, I suppose this, too, will pass.

Thanks for the advice.

Robyn

> From: <thecolemans4@...>

> Subject: Re: Puzzling New Behaviors

>

> Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 10:06 AM

> I'd bet it's a combo. I'd treat it as

> behavioral but without making him feel like a bad person (we

> saw Garrett do things like that at 5 or 6 - the writing on

> the walls). The urinating ... that depends on the

> pattern - can he explain why? There can be some ocd

> associated w/urinary behaviors. If it's purposeful,

> I'd get help quick, but if it's just that he

> doesn't see the need to go thru all the trouble to go to

> the potty, or the urge hits too fast, that's

> different. One is cognitive, one is physical processing.

> If it's purposeful, natural consequences may help more

> (making him clean it up himself), and positive rewarding of

> going to the potty (and having a great big party) is very

> important. You can put cheerios in the potty for him to

> 'chase' and make it fun.

>

> Urinary hormones can get out of whack w/no other symptoms

> and lead to accidents due to not being able to feel the need

> to go... but that doesn't sound much like the problem,

> or you'd be having a lot of accidents and probably bed

> wetting. That's the kind of thing you see w/infection

> I think...

>

> Good luck! Hope you don't have soaking carpets.

> This too shall ... pass. At least it's not poo (yet)!

>

> ________________________________

> From: Robyn <rngcoggs@...>

>

> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:01:01 AM

> Subject: Puzzling New Behaviors

>

> My son Noah,8, has been on Dr. G's protocol for a

> little over a year

> now and is making incredible progress. In the past couple

> of weeks,

> we've seen some wonderful academic gains, but some

> strange new

> behaviors have emerged. He's engaging in behaviors that

> you might see

> in a 3 or 4 year old. He is writing on my walls, something

> he's never

> done before. The most disturbing behavior is that he's

> urinating in

> other places but the toilet. My first thought was an

> infection of some

> sort, but we've pretty much ruled that out. I'm

> almost certain it's

> behavioral in nature.

>

> Typically with Noah, when we see gains in one area, we see

> a temporary

> regression in other areas. Could he be " waking

> up " developmentally and

> is becoming more aware of his body, or is this an issue of

> control?

> Both?

>

> Any insight would be appreciated.

>

> Robyn

>

February 26, 2009

Thanks, Caroline. I have a Hoover carpet cleaner, and I don't know what I'd do

without it.

Robyn

> From: Caroline Glover <sfglover@...>

> Subject: Re: Puzzling New Behaviors

>

> Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 10:21 AM

> Robyn,

>

> I second everything said, and...

>

> Sometimes when we have moved up on the SSRI dose, one of my

> boys has had

> wetting accidents because he can¹t feel when he HAS to

> go... and then it¹s

> too late. This has not necessarily been too high a dose...

> just took a

> couple of weeks to adjust (NOT fun).

>

> Then again, we have ended up on too high a dose of meds

> (can¹t remember

> which one...maybe an SSRI?) and seen bizarre behavior, such

> as spitting on

> the floor. Very out of character. When we backed down the

> behavior went

> away.

>

> The fact that you¹re seeing such great academic gains does

> make me wonder if

> it¹s behavioral.

>

> Those are my only thoughts... as you well know, there are

> plenty of things

> that can throw our kids off.

>

> Hang in there. I wish I could lend you my Bissell

> Spotlifter!

>

> Caroline G.

>

February 26, 2009

Dear Robyn,

I've been wanting to respond to you on this topic but got caught up with Joab's

issues!

In the homeopathic world, they would tell you it's parasitic

behavior...urinating outside the toilet, but if it's really parasites you would

also see the bedwetting with it. Joab used to do the same thing about a year

ago for a long time. Also the writing on the wall was very big then. He does

it once in a while now, but we've constantly told him that the wall was not for

writing and provided him with paper right away. I've not seen him do it in

while now... he either outgrew it or listened to us!! I think Noah will

outgrow it soon also. I know it can be tiring to clean constantly. Good luck.

God bless

>

> > From: <thecolemans4@...>

> > Subject: Re: Puzzling New Behaviors

> >

> > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 10:06 AM

> > I'd bet it's a combo. I'd treat it as

> > behavioral but without making him feel like a bad

> person (we

> > saw Garrett do things like that at 5 or 6 - the

> writing on

> > the walls). The urinating ... that depends on the

> > pattern - can he explain why? There can be some ocd

> > associated w/urinary behaviors. If it's

> purposeful,

> > I'd get help quick, but if it's just that he

> > doesn't see the need to go thru all the trouble to

> go to

> > the potty, or the urge hits too fast, that's

> > different. One is cognitive, one is physical

> processing.

> > If it's purposeful, natural consequences may help

> more

> > (making him clean it up himself), and positive

> rewarding of

> > going to the potty (and having a great big party) is

> very

> > important. You can put cheerios in the potty for him

> to

> > 'chase' and make it fun.

> >

> > Urinary hormones can get out of whack w/no other

> symptoms

> > and lead to accidents due to not being able to feel

> the need

> > to go... but that doesn't sound much like the

> problem,

> > or you'd be having a lot of accidents and probably

> bed

> > wetting. That's the kind of thing you see

> w/infection

> > I think...

> >

> > Good luck! Hope you don't have soaking carpets.

>

> > This too shall ... pass. At least it's not poo

> (yet)!

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Robyn <rngcoggs@...>

> >

> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:01:01 AM

> > Subject: Puzzling New Behaviors

> >

> > My son Noah,8, has been on Dr. G's protocol for a

> > little over a year

> > now and is making incredible progress. In the past

> couple

> > of weeks,

> > we've seen some wonderful academic gains, but some

> > strange new

> > behaviors have emerged. He's engaging in behaviors

> that

> > you might see

> > in a 3 or 4 year old. He is writing on my walls,

> something

> > he's never

> > done before. The most disturbing behavior is that

> he's

> > urinating in

> > other places but the toilet. My first thought was an

> > infection of some

> > sort, but we've pretty much ruled that out.

> I'm

> > almost certain it's

> > behavioral in nature.

> >

> > Typically with Noah, when we see gains in one area, we

> see

> > a temporary

> > regression in other areas. Could he be " waking

> > up " developmentally and

> > is becoming more aware of his body, or is this an

> issue of

> > control?

> > Both?

> >

> > Any insight would be appreciated.

> >

> > Robyn

> >

February 27, 2009

> Hi Robyn, I agree that it sounds behavioural. Our boy is 5 and we sometimes

> see unexpected things that are more appropriate for a 2 or 3 year-old, that he

> never did at that age. As if he needs to do some developmental catching up.

> Not sure where urinating around the place would come into, could be something

> he is trying to Œprove¹, or test your reactions?.

>

> natasa

>

> My son Noah,8, has been on Dr. G's protocol for a little over a year

> now and is making incredible progress. In the past couple of weeks,

> we've seen some wonderful academic gains, but some strange new

> behaviors have emerged. He's engaging in behaviors that you might see

> in a 3 or 4 year old. He is writing on my walls, something he's never

> done before. The most disturbing behavior is that he's urinating in

> other places but the toilet. My first thought was an infection of some

> sort, but we've pretty much ruled that out. I'm almost certain it's

> behavioral in nature.

>

> Typically with Noah, when we see gains in one area, we see a temporary

> regression in other areas. Could he be " waking up " developmentally and

> is becoming more aware of his body, or is this an issue of control?

> Both?

>

> Any insight would be appreciated.

>

> Robyn

>

February 27, 2009

That's my impression as well. He's become more aware in the past few weeks and

I'm wondering if it's just part of experiencing new sensations in his body;

maybe he's just doing a little experimenting.

Life is such an adventure, isn't it?

All the best,

Robyn

> From: Neno/Natasa <neno@...>

> Subject: Re: Puzzling New Behaviors

>

> Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 12:38 AM

> > Hi Robyn, I agree that it sounds behavioural. Our boy

> is 5 and we sometimes

> > see unexpected things that are more appropriate for a

> 2 or 3 year-old, that he

> > never did at that age. As if he needs to do some

> developmental catching up.

> > Not sure where urinating around the place would come

> into, could be something

> > he is trying to Å’proveÂ¹, or test your reactions?.

> >

> > natasa

> >

> > My son Noah,8, has been on Dr. G's protocol for a

> little over a year

> > now and is making incredible progress. In the past

> couple of weeks,

> > we've seen some wonderful academic gains, but some

> strange new

> > behaviors have emerged. He's engaging in behaviors

> that you might see

> > in a 3 or 4 year old. He is writing on my walls,

> something he's never

> > done before. The most disturbing behavior is that

> he's urinating in

> > other places but the toilet. My first thought was an

> infection of some

> > sort, but we've pretty much ruled that out.

> I'm almost certain it's

> > behavioral in nature.

> >

> > Typically with Noah, when we see gains in one area, we

> see a temporary

> > regression in other areas. Could he be " waking

> up " developmentally and

> > is becoming more aware of his body, or is this an

> issue of control?

> > Both?

> >

> > Any insight would be appreciated.

> >

> > Robyn

> >

>

February 27, 2009

Thanks, . BTW, how is Joab feeling today?

All the best,

Robyn

> >

> > > From:

> <thecolemans4@...>

> > > Subject: Re: Puzzling New Behaviors

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 10:06 AM

> > > I'd bet it's a combo. I'd treat it

> as

> > > behavioral but without making him feel like a bad

> > person (we

> > > saw Garrett do things like that at 5 or 6 - the

> > writing on

> > > the walls). The urinating ... that depends on

> the

> > > pattern - can he explain why? There can be

> some ocd

> > > associated w/urinary behaviors. If it's

> > purposeful,

> > > I'd get help quick, but if it's just that

> he

> > > doesn't see the need to go thru all the

> trouble to

> > go to

> > > the potty, or the urge hits too fast, that's

> > > different. One is cognitive, one is physical

> > processing.

> > > If it's purposeful, natural consequences may

> help

> > more

> > > (making him clean it up himself), and positive

> > rewarding of

> > > going to the potty (and having a great big party)

> is

> > very

> > > important. You can put cheerios in the potty

> for him

> > to

> > > 'chase' and make it fun.

> > >

> > > Urinary hormones can get out of whack w/no other

> > symptoms

> > > and lead to accidents due to not being able to

> feel

> > the need

> > > to go... but that doesn't sound much like the

> > problem,

> > > or you'd be having a lot of accidents and

> probably

> > bed

> > > wetting. That's the kind of thing you see

> > w/infection

> > > I think...

> > >

> > > Good luck! Hope you don't have soaking

> carpets.

> >

> > > This too shall ... pass. At least it's not

> poo

> > (yet)!

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: Robyn <rngcoggs@...>

> > >

> > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:01:01 AM

> > > Subject: Puzzling New Behaviors

> > >

> > > My son Noah,8, has been on Dr. G's protocol

> for a

> > > little over a year

> > > now and is making incredible progress. In the

> past

> > couple

> > > of weeks,

> > > we've seen some wonderful academic gains, but

> some

> > > strange new

> > > behaviors have emerged. He's engaging in

> behaviors

> > that

> > > you might see

> > > in a 3 or 4 year old. He is writing on my walls,

> > something

> > > he's never

> > > done before. The most disturbing behavior is that

> > he's

> > > urinating in

> > > other places but the toilet. My first thought was

> an

> > > infection of some

> > > sort, but we've pretty much ruled that out.

> > I'm

> > > almost certain it's

> > > behavioral in nature.

> > >

> > > Typically with Noah, when we see gains in one

> area, we

> > see

> > > a temporary

> > > regression in other areas. Could he be

> " waking

> > > up " developmentally and

> > > is becoming more aware of his body, or is this an

> > issue of

> > > control?

> > > Both?

> > >

> > > Any insight would be appreciated.

> > >

> > > Robyn

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

February 27, 2009

Joab is still screaming on and off! I think what you explained about migranes

seems like what he's going thru. It comes and goes thru out the day. Evening

seems to be the worst time for Joab. Sometimes when we give him motrin it seems

to help, but not all the time. I guess it depends on the severity.

I'm waiting for Dr.G.'s respond on this.

I'm very concerned about the useage of long term antibiotic, & it's a very

strong one(Septra) from what the Pharmacist told me. Was Noah on antibiotic for

a long time?

Thanks for the concern.

God bless

> >

> > > From:

> <thecolemans4>

> > > Subject: Re: Puzzling New Behaviors

> > > groups (DOT) com

> > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 10:06 AM

> > > I'd bet it's a combo. I'd treat it

> as

> > > behavioral but without making him feel like a bad

> > person (we

> > > saw Garrett do things like that at 5 or 6 - the

> > writing on

> > > the walls). The urinating ... that depends on

> the

> > > pattern - can he explain why? There can be

> some ocd

> > > associated w/urinary behaviors. If it's

> > purposeful,

> > > I'd get help quick, but if it's just that

> he

> > > doesn't see the need to go thru all the

> trouble to

> > go to

> > > the potty, or the urge hits too fast, that's

> > > different. One is cognitive, one is physical

> > processing.

> > > If it's purposeful, natural consequences may

> help

> > more

> > > (making him clean it up himself), and positive

> > rewarding of

> > > going to the potty (and having a great big party)

> is

> > very

> > > important. You can put cheerios in the potty

> for him

> > to

> > > 'chase' and make it fun.

> > >

> > > Urinary hormones can get out of whack w/no other

> > symptoms

> > > and lead to accidents due to not being able to

> feel

> > the need

> > > to go... but that doesn't sound much like the

> > problem,

> > > or you'd be having a lot of accidents and

> probably

> > bed

> > > wetting. That's the kind of thing you see

> > w/infection

> > > I think...

> > >

> > > Good luck! Hope you don't have soaking

> carpets.

> >

> > > This too shall ... pass. At least it's not

> poo

> > (yet)!

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: Robyn <rngcoggssbcglobal (DOT) net>

> > > groups (DOT) com

> > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:01:01 AM

> > > Subject: Puzzling New Behaviors

> > >

> > > My son Noah,8, has been on Dr. G's protocol

> for a

> > > little over a year

> > > now and is making incredible progress. In the

> past

> > couple

> > > of weeks,

> > > we've seen some wonderful academic gains, but

> some

> > > strange new

> > > behaviors have emerged. He's engaging in

> behaviors

> > that

> > > you might see

> > > in a 3 or 4 year old. He is writing on my walls,

> > something

> > > he's never

> > > done before. The most disturbing behavior is that

> > he's

> > > urinating in

> > > other places but the toilet. My first thought was

> an

> > > infection of some

> > > sort, but we've pretty much ruled that out.

> > I'm

> > > almost certain it's

> > > behavioral in nature.

> > >

> > > Typically with Noah, when we see gains in one

> area, we

> > see

> > > a temporary

> > > regression in other areas. Could he be

> " waking

> > > up " developmentally and

> > > is becoming more aware of his body, or is this an

> > issue of

> > > control?

> > > Both?

> > >

> > > Any insight would be appreciated.

> > >

> > > Robyn

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

February 27, 2009

No antibiotic for Noah, although he's been off and on Biaxin due to upper

respiratory infections and problems with his ears. I'm on long-term treatment by

Dr. G for chronic strep and have been on Ery-Ped almost three months with no ill

effects.

What is Joab on the antibiotic for?

Robyn

> > >

> > > > From:

> > <thecolemans4>

> > > > Subject: Re: Puzzling New Behaviors

> > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 10:06 AM

> > > > I'd bet it's a combo. I'd

> treat it

> > as

> > > > behavioral but without making him feel like

> a bad

> > > person (we

> > > > saw Garrett do things like that at 5 or 6 -

> the

> > > writing on

> > > > the walls). The urinating ... that depends

> on

> > the

> > > > pattern - can he explain why? There can

> be

> > some ocd

> > > > associated w/urinary behaviors. If

> it's

> > > purposeful,

> > > > I'd get help quick, but if it's just

> that

> > he

> > > > doesn't see the need to go thru all the

> > trouble to

> > > go to

> > > > the potty, or the urge hits too fast,

> that's

> > > > different. One is cognitive, one is

> physical

> > > processing.

> > > > If it's purposeful, natural consequences

> may

> > help

> > > more

> > > > (making him clean it up himself), and

> positive

> > > rewarding of

> > > > going to the potty (and having a great big

> party)

> > is

> > > very

> > > > important. You can put cheerios in the

> potty

> > for him

> > > to

> > > > 'chase' and make it fun.

> > > >

> > > > Urinary hormones can get out of whack w/no

> other

> > > symptoms

> > > > and lead to accidents due to not being able

> to

> > feel

> > > the need

> > > > to go... but that doesn't sound much

> like the

> > > problem,

> > > > or you'd be having a lot of accidents

> and

> > probably

> > > bed

> > > > wetting. That's the kind of thing you

> see

> > > w/infection

> > > > I think...

> > > >

> > > > Good luck! Hope you don't have soaking

> > carpets.

> > >

> > > > This too shall ... pass. At least it's

> not

> > poo

> > > (yet)!

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > From: Robyn <rngcoggssbcglobal (DOT) net>

> > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:01:01

> AM

> > > > Subject: Puzzling New Behaviors

> > > >

> > > > My son Noah,8, has been on Dr. G's

> protocol

> > for a

> > > > little over a year

> > > > now and is making incredible progress. In

> the

> > past

> > > couple

> > > > of weeks,

> > > > we've seen some wonderful academic

> gains, but

> > some

> > > > strange new

> > > > behaviors have emerged. He's engaging in

> > behaviors

> > > that

> > > > you might see

> > > > in a 3 or 4 year old. He is writing on my

> walls,

> > > something

> > > > he's never

> > > > done before. The most disturbing behavior is

> that

> > > he's

> > > > urinating in

> > > > other places but the toilet. My first

> thought was

> > an

> > > > infection of some

> > > > sort, but we've pretty much ruled that

> out.

> > > I'm

> > > > almost certain it's

> > > > behavioral in nature.

> > > >

> > > > Typically with Noah, when we see gains in

> one

> > area, we

> > > see

> > > > a temporary

> > > > regression in other areas. Could he be

> > " waking

> > > > up " developmentally and

> > > > is becoming more aware of his body, or is

> this an

> > > issue of

> > > > control?

> > > > Both?

> > > >

> > > > Any insight would be appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Robyn

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

>

February 27, 2009

Robyn,

Joab had a fluid in the left ear on our 1st visit, that's when we started the

antibiotic. But after 2wks on it, he cleared up. Dr. G. wants us to continue

even w/o any fluid present...to keep him clear I guess. Joab had never showed

any fluid in his ears in the past(according to the ENT's) nor had any ear

infections much when he was younger. So this's really the first time.

I actually just heard from Dr.G. He wants us to do another tympanogram to check

if there's any fluid again since Joab is screaming & crying frequently now.

Will see what happens.

thanks again for your support.

> > >

> > > > From:

> > <thecolemans4>

> > > > Subject: Re: Puzzling New Behaviors

> > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 10:06 AM

> > > > I'd bet it's a combo. I'd

> treat it

> > as

> > > > behavioral but without making him feel like

> a bad

> > > person (we

> > > > saw Garrett do things like that at 5 or 6 -

> the

> > > writing on

> > > > the walls). The urinating ... that depends

> on

> > the

> > > > pattern - can he explain why? There can

> be

> > some ocd

> > > > associated w/urinary behaviors. If

> it's

> > > purposeful,

> > > > I'd get help quick, but if it's just

> that

> > he

> > > > doesn't see the need to go thru all the

> > trouble to

> > > go to

> > > > the potty, or the urge hits too fast,

> that's

> > > > different. One is cognitive, one is

> physical

> > > processing.

> > > > If it's purposeful, natural consequences

> may

> > help

> > > more

> > > > (making him clean it up himself), and

> positive

> > > rewarding of

> > > > going to the potty (and having a great big

> party)

> > is

> > > very

> > > > important. You can put cheerios in the

> potty

> > for him

> > > to

> > > > 'chase' and make it fun.

> > > >

> > > > Urinary hormones can get out of whack w/no

> other

> > > symptoms

> > > > and lead to accidents due to not being able

> to

> > feel

> > > the need

> > > > to go... but that doesn't sound much

> like the

> > > problem,

> > > > or you'd be having a lot of accidents

> and

> > probably

> > > bed

> > > > wetting. That's the kind of thing you

> see

> > > w/infection

> > > > I think...

> > > >

> > > > Good luck! Hope you don't have soaking

> > carpets.

> > >

> > > > This too shall ... pass. At least it's

> not

> > poo

> > > (yet)!

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > From: Robyn <rngcoggs@sbcglobal . net>

> > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:01:01

> AM

> > > > Subject: Puzzling New Behaviors

> > > >

> > > > My son Noah,8, has been on Dr. G's

> protocol

> > for a

> > > > little over a year

> > > > now and is making incredible progress. In

> the

> > past

> > > couple

> > > > of weeks,

> > > > we've seen some wonderful academic

> gains, but

> > some

> > > > strange new

> > > > behaviors have emerged. He's engaging in

> > behaviors

> > > that

> > > > you might see

> > > > in a 3 or 4 year old. He is writing on my

> walls,

> > > something

> > > > he's never

> > > > done before. The most disturbing behavior is

> that

> > > he's

> > > > urinating in

> > > > other places but the toilet. My first

> thought was

> > an

> > > > infection of some

> > > > sort, but we've pretty much ruled that

> out.

> > > I'm

> > > > almost certain it's

> > > > behavioral in nature.

> > > >

> > > > Typically with Noah, when we see gains in

> one

> > area, we

> > > see

> > > > a temporary

> > > > regression in other areas. Could he be

> > " waking

> > > > up " developmentally and

> > > > is becoming more aware of his body, or is

> this an

> > > issue of

> > > > control?

> > > > Both?

> > > >

> > > > Any insight would be appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Robyn

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

>

February 28, 2009

He's been treating Noah for the same thing. I saw the results of the tympanogram

and there's definitely fluid there. The screaming and crying you describe could

be ear related. The pressure he's feeling could also be triggering headaches.

I hope he feels better soon.

All the best,

Robyn

> > > >

> > > > > From:

> > > <thecolemans4>

> > > > > Subject: Re: Puzzling New

> Behaviors

> > > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009,

> 10:06 AM

> > > > > I'd bet it's a combo. I'd

> > treat it

> > > as

> > > > > behavioral but without making him feel

> like

> > a bad

> > > > person (we

> > > > > saw Garrett do things like that at 5 or

> 6 -

> > the

> > > > writing on

> > > > > the walls). The urinating ... that

> depends

> > on

> > > the

> > > > > pattern - can he explain why? There

> can

> > be

> > > some ocd

> > > > > associated w/urinary behaviors. If

> > it's

> > > > purposeful,

> > > > > I'd get help quick, but if it's

> just

> > that

> > > he

> > > > > doesn't see the need to go thru all

> the

> > > trouble to

> > > > go to

> > > > > the potty, or the urge hits too fast,

> > that's

> > > > > different. One is cognitive, one is

> > physical

> > > > processing.

> > > > > If it's purposeful, natural

> consequences

> > may

> > > help

> > > > more

> > > > > (making him clean it up himself), and

> > positive

> > > > rewarding of

> > > > > going to the potty (and having a great

> big

> > party)

> > > is

> > > > very

> > > > > important. You can put cheerios in

> the

> > potty

> > > for him

> > > > to

> > > > > 'chase' and make it fun.

> > > > >

> > > > > Urinary hormones can get out of whack

> w/no

> > other

> > > > symptoms

> > > > > and lead to accidents due to not being

> able

> > to

> > > feel

> > > > the need

> > > > > to go... but that doesn't sound

> much

> > like the

> > > > problem,

> > > > > or you'd be having a lot of

> accidents

> > and

> > > probably

> > > > bed

> > > > > wetting. That's the kind of thing

> you

> > see

> > > > w/infection

> > > > > I think...

> > > > >

> > > > > Good luck! Hope you don't have

> soaking

> > > carpets.

> > > >

> > > > > This too shall ... pass. At least

> it's

> > not

> > > poo

> > > > (yet)!

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > From: Robyn <rngcoggs@sbcglobal .

> net>

> > > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009

> 11:01:01

> > AM

> > > > > Subject: Puzzling New Behaviors

> > > > >

> > > > > My son Noah,8, has been on Dr. G's

> > protocol

> > > for a

> > > > > little over a year

> > > > > now and is making incredible progress.

> In

> > the

> > > past

> > > > couple

> > > > > of weeks,

> > > > > we've seen some wonderful academic

> > gains, but

> > > some

> > > > > strange new

> > > > > behaviors have emerged. He's

> engaging in

> > > behaviors

> > > > that

> > > > > you might see

> > > > > in a 3 or 4 year old. He is writing on

> my

> > walls,

> > > > something

> > > > > he's never

> > > > > done before. The most disturbing

> behavior is

> > that

> > > > he's

> > > > > urinating in

> > > > > other places but the toilet. My first

> > thought was

> > > an

> > > > > infection of some

> > > > > sort, but we've pretty much ruled

> that

> > out.

> > > > I'm

> > > > > almost certain it's

> > > > > behavioral in nature.

> > > > >

> > > > > Typically with Noah, when we see gains

> in

> > one

> > > area, we

> > > > see

> > > > > a temporary

> > > > > regression in other areas. Could he be

> > > " waking

> > > > > up " developmentally and

> > > > > is becoming more aware of his body, or

> is

> > this an

> > > > issue of

> > > > > control?

> > > > > Both?

> > > > >

> > > > > Any insight would be appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Robyn

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > removed]

> >

March 1, 2009

Yes! When I get pressure on my ears, it's literally a piercing throbbing pain

for a few minutes. Then the pain will subside and I'm back to normal. We had a

weather change here and I got a taste of it just yesterday. I went to get a

toradol shot (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory) yesterday too (all over body

pain), and it helped with my ears, and it helped with my tummy upset. Not a

shot for kids, but might validate taking an anti-inflammatory for a few days to

get in the system. For nsaids like advil or aleve to really work (other than

immediate pain relief or fever), you have to take it consistently for a few

days. This might help him while he is going thru ear problems... It would also

address headaches. It can also upset the tummy - must take with food.

HTH

________________________________

From: Robyn & Greg Coggins <rngcoggs@...>

Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:58:14 AM

Subject: Re: Puzzling New Behaviors

He's been treating Noah for the same thing. I saw the results of the tympanogram

and there's definitely fluid there. The screaming and crying you describe could

be ear related. The pressure he's feeling could also be triggering headaches.

I hope he feels better soon.

All the best,

Robyn

> > > >

> > > > > From:

> > > <thecolemans4>

> > > > > Subject: Re: Puzzling New

> Behaviors

> > > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009,

> 10:06 AM

> > > > > I'd bet it's a combo. I'd

> > treat it

> > > as

> > > > > behavioral but without making him feel

> like

> > a bad

> > > > person (we

> > > > > saw Garrett do things like that at 5 or

> 6 -

> > the

> > > > writing on

> > > > > the walls). The urinating ... that

> depends

> > on

> > > the

> > > > > pattern - can he explain why? There

> can

> > be

> > > some ocd

> > > > > associated w/urinary behaviors. If

> > it's

> > > > purposeful,

> > > > > I'd get help quick, but if it's

> just

> > that

> > > he

> > > > > doesn't see the need to go thru all

> the

> > > trouble to

> > > > go to

> > > > > the potty, or the urge hits too fast,

> > that's

> > > > > different. One is cognitive, one is

> > physical

> > > > processing.

> > > > > If it's purposeful, natural

> consequences

> > may

> > > help

> > > > more

> > > > > (making him clean it up himself), and

> > positive

> > > > rewarding of

> > > > > going to the potty (and having a great

> big

> > party)

> > > is

> > > > very

> > > > > important. You can put cheerios in

> the

> > potty

> > > for him

> > > > to

> > > > > 'chase' and make it fun.

> > > > >

> > > > > Urinary hormones can get out of whack

> w/no

> > other

> > > > symptoms

> > > > > and lead to accidents due to not being

> able

> > to

> > > feel

> > > > the need

> > > > > to go... but that doesn't sound

> much

> > like the

> > > > problem,

> > > > > or you'd be having a lot of

> accidents

> > and

> > > probably

> > > > bed

> > > > > wetting. That's the kind of thing

> you

> > see

> > > > w/infection

> > > > > I think...

> > > > >

> > > > > Good luck! Hope you don't have

> soaking

> > > carpets.

> > > >

> > > > > This too shall ... pass. At least

> it's

> > not

> > > poo

> > > > (yet)!

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > From: Robyn <rngcoggs@sbcglobal .

> net>

> > > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009

> 11:01:01

> > AM

> > > > > Subject: Puzzling New Behaviors

> > > > >

> > > > > My son Noah,8, has been on Dr. G's

> > protocol

> > > for a

> > > > > little over a year

> > > > > now and is making incredible progress.

> In

> > the

> > > past

> > > > couple

> > > > > of weeks,

> > > > > we've seen some wonderful academic

> > gains, but

> > > some

> > > > > strange new

> > > > > behaviors have emerged. He's

> engaging in

> > > behaviors

> > > > that

> > > > > you might see

> > > > > in a 3 or 4 year old. He is writing on

> my

> > walls,

> > > > something

> > > > > he's never

> > > > > done before. The most disturbing

> behavior is

> > that

> > > > he's

> > > > > urinating in

> > > > > other places but the toilet. My first

> > thought was

> > > an

> > > > > infection of some

> > > > > sort, but we've pretty much ruled

> that

> > out.

> > > > I'm

> > > > > almost certain it's

> > > > > behavioral in nature.

> > > > >

> > > > > Typically with Noah, when we see gains

> in

> > one

> > > area, we

> > > > see

> > > > > a temporary

> > > > > regression in other areas. Could he be

> > > " waking

> > > > > up " developmentally and

> > > > > is becoming more aware of his body, or

> is

> > this an

> > > > issue of

> > > > > control?

> > > > > Both?

> > > > >

> > > > > Any insight would be appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Robyn

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > removed]

> >

March 2, 2009

That's what we do with Noah and it does seem to help. I take baby aspirin for an

inherited clotting disorder and Dr. G said it would have the added benefit of

reducing inflammation. Of course, our kids can't have aspirin but a NSAID should

accomplish the same goal.

Thanks!

Robyn

> > > > >

> > > > > > From:

> > > > <thecolemans4>

> > > > > > Subject: Re: Puzzling New

> > Behaviors

> > > > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009,

> > 10:06 AM

> > > > > > I'd bet it's a combo.

> I'd

> > > treat it

> > > > as

> > > > > > behavioral but without making him

> feel

> > like

> > > a bad

> > > > > person (we

> > > > > > saw Garrett do things like that at

> 5 or

> > 6 -

> > > the

> > > > > writing on

> > > > > > the walls). The urinating ...

> that

> > depends

> > > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > pattern - can he explain why?

> There

> > can

> > > be

> > > > some ocd

> > > > > > associated w/urinary behaviors.

> If

> > > it's

> > > > > purposeful,

> > > > > > I'd get help quick, but if

> it's

> > just

> > > that

> > > > he

> > > > > > doesn't see the need to go

> thru all

> > the

> > > > trouble to

> > > > > go to

> > > > > > the potty, or the urge hits too

> fast,

> > > that's

> > > > > > different. One is cognitive, one

> is

> > > physical

> > > > > processing.

> > > > > > If it's purposeful, natural

> > consequences

> > > may

> > > > help

> > > > > more

> > > > > > (making him clean it up himself),

> and

> > > positive

> > > > > rewarding of

> > > > > > going to the potty (and having a

> great

> > big

> > > party)

> > > > is

> > > > > very

> > > > > > important. You can put cheerios

> in

> > the

> > > potty

> > > > for him

> > > > > to

> > > > > > 'chase' and make it fun.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Urinary hormones can get out of

> whack

> > w/no

> > > other

> > > > > symptoms

> > > > > > and lead to accidents due to not

> being

> > able

> > > to

> > > > feel

> > > > > the need

> > > > > > to go... but that doesn't

> sound

> > much

> > > like the

> > > > > problem,

> > > > > > or you'd be having a lot of

> > accidents

> > > and

> > > > probably

> > > > > bed

> > > > > > wetting. That's the kind of

> thing

> > you

> > > see

> > > > > w/infection

> > > > > > I think...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good luck! Hope you don't

> have

> > soaking

> > > > carpets.

> > > > >

> > > > > > This too shall ... pass. At

> least

> > it's

> > > not

> > > > poo

> > > > > (yet)!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________

> __

> > > > > > From: Robyn <rngcoggs@sbcglobal

> .

> > net>

> > > > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009

> > 11:01:01

> > > AM

> > > > > > Subject: Puzzling New

> Behaviors

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My son Noah,8, has been on Dr.

> G's

> > > protocol

> > > > for a

> > > > > > little over a year

> > > > > > now and is making incredible

> progress.

> > In

> > > the

> > > > past

> > > > > couple

> > > > > > of weeks,

> > > > > > we've seen some wonderful

> academic

> > > gains, but

> > > > some

> > > > > > strange new

> > > > > > behaviors have emerged. He's

> > engaging in

> > > > behaviors

> > > > > that

> > > > > > you might see

> > > > > > in a 3 or 4 year old. He is

> writing on

> > my

> > > walls,

> > > > > something

> > > > > > he's never

> > > > > > done before. The most disturbing

> > behavior is

> > > that

> > > > > he's

> > > > > > urinating in

> > > > > > other places but the toilet. My

> first

> > > thought was

> > > > an

> > > > > > infection of some

> > > > > > sort, but we've pretty much

> ruled

> > that

> > > out.

> > > > > I'm

> > > > > > almost certain it's

> > > > > > behavioral in nature.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Typically with Noah, when we see

> gains

> > in

> > > one

> > > > area, we

> > > > > see

> > > > > > a temporary

> > > > > > regression in other areas. Could

> he be

> > > > " waking

> > > > > > up " developmentally and

> > > > > > is becoming more aware of his

> body, or

> > is

> > > this an

> > > > > issue of

> > > > > > control?

> > > > > > Both?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any insight would be appreciated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Robyn

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have

> > been

> > > > removed]

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

March 2, 2009

Robyn,

Have you talked to Dr. G about NSAIDs for reducing inflammation? It seems like

a logical alternative if done correctly.

Thanks,

From: rngcoggs@...

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:24:26 -0800

Subject: Re: Puzzling New Behaviors

That's what we do with Noah and it does seem to help. I take baby aspirin for an

inherited clotting disorder and Dr. G said it would have the added benefit of

reducing inflammation. Of course, our kids can't have aspirin but a NSAID should

accomplish the same goal.

Thanks!

Robyn

> > > > >

> > > > > > From:

> > > > <thecolemans4>

> > > > > > Subject: Re: Puzzling New

> > Behaviors

> > > > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009,

> > 10:06 AM

> > > > > > I'd bet it's a combo.

> I'd

> > > treat it

> > > > as

> > > > > > behavioral but without making him

> feel

> > like

> > > a bad

> > > > > person (we

> > > > > > saw Garrett do things like that at

> 5 or

> > 6 -

> > > the

> > > > > writing on

> > > > > > the walls). The urinating ...

> that

> > depends

> > > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > pattern - can he explain why?

> There

> > can

> > > be

> > > > some ocd

> > > > > > associated w/urinary behaviors.

> If

> > > it's

> > > > > purposeful,

> > > > > > I'd get help quick, but if

> it's

> > just

> > > that

> > > > he

> > > > > > doesn't see the need to go

> thru all

> > the

> > > > trouble to

> > > > > go to

> > > > > > the potty, or the urge hits too

> fast,

> > > that's

> > > > > > different. One is cognitive, one

> is

> > > physical

> > > > > processing.

> > > > > > If it's purposeful, natural

> > consequences

> > > may

> > > > help

> > > > > more

> > > > > > (making him clean it up himself),

> and

> > > positive

> > > > > rewarding of

> > > > > > going to the potty (and having a

> great

> > big

> > > party)

> > > > is

> > > > > very

> > > > > > important. You can put cheerios

> in

> > the

> > > potty

> > > > for him

> > > > > to

> > > > > > 'chase' and make it fun.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Urinary hormones can get out of

> whack

> > w/no

> > > other

> > > > > symptoms

> > > > > > and lead to accidents due to not

> being

> > able

> > > to

> > > > feel

> > > > > the need

> > > > > > to go... but that doesn't

> sound

> > much

> > > like the

> > > > > problem,

> > > > > > or you'd be having a lot of

> > accidents

> > > and

> > > > probably

> > > > > bed

> > > > > > wetting. That's the kind of

> thing

> > you

> > > see

> > > > > w/infection

> > > > > > I think...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good luck! Hope you don't

> have

> > soaking

> > > > carpets.

> > > > >

> > > > > > This too shall ... pass. At

> least

> > it's

> > > not

> > > > poo

> > > > > (yet)!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________

> __

> > > > > > From: Robyn <rngcoggs@sbcglobal

> .

> > net>

> > > > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009

> > 11:01:01

> > > AM

> > > > > > Subject: Puzzling New

> Behaviors

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My son Noah,8, has been on Dr.

> G's

> > > protocol

> > > > for a

> > > > > > little over a year

> > > > > > now and is making incredible

> progress.

> > In

> > > the

> > > > past

> > > > > couple

> > > > > > of weeks,

> > > > > > we've seen some wonderful

> academic

> > > gains, but

> > > > some

> > > > > > strange new

> > > > > > behaviors have emerged. He's

> > engaging in

> > > > behaviors

> > > > > that

> > > > > > you might see

> > > > > > in a 3 or 4 year old. He is

> writing on

> > my

> > > walls,

> > > > > something

> > > > > > he's never

> > > > > > done before. The most disturbing

> > behavior is

> > > that

> > > > > he's

> > > > > > urinating in

> > > > > > other places but the toilet. My

> first

> > > thought was

> > > > an

> > > > > > infection of some

> > > > > > sort, but we've pretty much

> ruled

> > that

> > > out.

> > > > > I'm

> > > > > > almost certain it's

> > > > > > behavioral in nature.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Typically with Noah, when we see

> gains

> > in

> > > one

> > > > area, we

> > > > > see

> > > > > > a temporary

> > > > > > regression in other areas. Could

> he be

> > > > " waking

> > > > > > up " developmentally and

> > > > > > is becoming more aware of his

> body, or

> > is

> > > this an

> > > > > issue of

> > > > > > control?

> > > > > > Both?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any insight would be appreciated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Robyn

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have

> > been

> > > > removed]

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

March 4, 2009

I agree. We see him on Friday, so I'll ask then.

All the best,

Robyn

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From:

> > > > > <thecolemans4>

> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Puzzling

> New

> > > Behaviors

> > > > > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, February 26,

> 2009,

> > > 10:06 AM

> > > > > > > I'd bet it's a combo.

>

> > I'd

> > > > treat it

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > behavioral but without making

> him

> > feel

> > > like

> > > > a bad

> > > > > > person (we

> > > > > > > saw Garrett do things like

> that at

> > 5 or

> > > 6 -

> > > > the

> > > > > > writing on

> > > > > > > the walls). The urinating

> ...

> > that

> > > depends

> > > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > pattern - can he explain why?

>

> > There

> > > can

> > > > be

> > > > > some ocd

> > > > > > > associated w/urinary

> behaviors.

> > If

> > > > it's

> > > > > > purposeful,

> > > > > > > I'd get help quick, but

> if

> > it's

> > > just

> > > > that

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > doesn't see the need to

> go

> > thru all

> > > the

> > > > > trouble to

> > > > > > go to

> > > > > > > the potty, or the urge hits

> too

> > fast,

> > > > that's

> > > > > > > different. One is cognitive,

> one

> > is

> > > > physical

> > > > > > processing.

> > > > > > > If it's purposeful,

> natural

> > > consequences

> > > > may

> > > > > help

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > (making him clean it up

> himself),

> > and

> > > > positive

> > > > > > rewarding of

> > > > > > > going to the potty (and

> having a

> > great

> > > big

> > > > party)

> > > > > is

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > important. You can put

> cheerios

> > in

> > > the

> > > > potty

> > > > > for him

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > 'chase' and make it

> fun.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Urinary hormones can get out

> of

> > whack

> > > w/no

> > > > other

> > > > > > symptoms

> > > > > > > and lead to accidents due to

> not

> > being

> > > able

> > > > to

> > > > > feel

> > > > > > the need

> > > > > > > to go... but that doesn't

> > sound

> > > much

> > > > like the

> > > > > > problem,

> > > > > > > or you'd be having a lot

> of

> > > accidents

> > > > and

> > > > > probably

> > > > > > bed

> > > > > > > wetting. That's the kind

> of

> > thing

> > > you

> > > > see

> > > > > > w/infection

> > > > > > > I think...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good luck! Hope you

> don't

> > have

> > > soaking

> > > > > carpets.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > This too shall ... pass. At

> > least

> > > it's

> > > > not

> > > > > poo

> > > > > > (yet)!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________

> _________

> > __

> > > > > > > From: Robyn

> <rngcoggs@sbcglobal

> > .

> > > net>

> > > > > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26,

> 2009

> > > 11:01:01

> > > > AM

> > > > > > > Subject: Puzzling New

> > Behaviors

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My son Noah,8, has been on

> Dr.

> > G's

> > > > protocol

> > > > > for a

> > > > > > > little over a year

> > > > > > > now and is making incredible

> > progress.

> > > In

> > > > the

> > > > > past

> > > > > > couple

> > > > > > > of weeks,

> > > > > > > we've seen some wonderful

> > academic

> > > > gains, but

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > strange new

> > > > > > > behaviors have emerged.

> He's

> > > engaging in

> > > > > behaviors

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > you might see

> > > > > > > in a 3 or 4 year old. He is

> > writing on

> > > my

> > > > walls,

> > > > > > something

> > > > > > > he's never

> > > > > > > done before. The most

> disturbing

> > > behavior is

> > > > that

> > > > > > he's

> > > > > > > urinating in

> > > > > > > other places but the toilet.

> My

> > first

> > > > thought was

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > infection of some

> > > > > > > sort, but we've pretty

> much

> > ruled

> > > that

> > > > out.

> > > > > > I'm

> > > > > > > almost certain it's

> > > > > > > behavioral in nature.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Typically with Noah, when we

> see

> > gains

> > > in

> > > > one

> > > > > area, we

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > a temporary

> > > > > > > regression in other areas.

> Could

> > he be

> > > > > " waking

> > > > > > > up " developmentally and

> > > > > > > is becoming more aware of his

> > body, or

> > > is

> > > > this an

> > > > > > issue of

> > > > > > > control?

> > > > > > > Both?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any insight would be

> appreciated.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Robyn

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> message

> > have

> > > been

> > > > > removed]

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

March 4, 2009

Please show Dr. G the following article from the Official Journal of the

American Academy of Pediatrics.

Cerebrospinal Fluid Distribution of Ibuprofen After Intravenous Administration

in Children

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/120/4/e1002

BACKGROUND. Ibuprofen is the most commonly used nonsteroidal, antipyretic,

antiinflammatory analgesic in children. Nonsteroidal, antipyretic,

antiinflammatory analgesics act in both the peripheral tissues and the central

nervous system. The central nervous system penetration of ibuprofen has been

described in adults but not in children.

CONCLUSIONS: Ibuprofen readily penetrates into the CSF in children. The peak CSF

concentrations are attained 30 to 40 minutes after intravenous administration,

and thereafter the CSF concentrations are higher than the unbound plasma

concentrations. The analgesic concentration after inguinal surgery in children

is between 10 to 25 mg/L.

--- n , Robyn & Greg Coggins <rngcoggs@...> wrote:

>

> I agree. We see him on Friday, so I'll ask then.

>

> All the best,

>

> Robyn

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From:

> > > > > > <thecolemans4>

> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Puzzling

> > New

> > > > Behaviors

> > > > > > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, February 26,

> > 2009,

> > > > 10:06 AM

> > > > > > > > I'd bet it's a combo.

> >

> > > I'd

> > > > > treat it

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > behavioral but without making

> > him

> > > feel

> > > > like

> > > > > a bad

> > > > > > > person (we

> > > > > > > > saw Garrett do things like

> > that at

> > > 5 or

> > > > 6 -

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > writing on

> > > > > > > > the walls). The urinating

> > ...

> > > that

> > > > depends

> > > > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > pattern - can he explain why?

> >

> > > There

> > > > can

> > > > > be

> > > > > > some ocd

> > > > > > > > associated w/urinary

> > behaviors.

> > > If

> > > > > it's

> > > > > > > purposeful,

> > > > > > > > I'd get help quick, but

> > if

> > > it's

> > > > just

> > > > > that

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > doesn't see the need to

> > go

> > > thru all

> > > > the

> > > > > > trouble to

> > > > > > > go to

> > > > > > > > the potty, or the urge hits

> > too

> > > fast,

> > > > > that's

> > > > > > > > different. One is cognitive,

> > one

> > > is

> > > > > physical

> > > > > > > processing.

> > > > > > > > If it's purposeful,

> > natural

> > > > consequences

> > > > > may

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > (making him clean it up

> > himself),

> > > and

> > > > > positive

> > > > > > > rewarding of

> > > > > > > > going to the potty (and

> > having a

> > > great

> > > > big

> > > > > party)

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > important. You can put

> > cheerios

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > potty

> > > > > > for him

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > 'chase' and make it

> > fun.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Urinary hormones can get out

> > of

> > > whack

> > > > w/no

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > symptoms

> > > > > > > > and lead to accidents due to

> > not

> > > being

> > > > able

> > > > > to

> > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > the need

> > > > > > > > to go... but that doesn't

> > > sound

> > > > much

> > > > > like the

> > > > > > > problem,

> > > > > > > > or you'd be having a lot

> > of

> > > > accidents

> > > > > and

> > > > > > probably

> > > > > > > bed

> > > > > > > > wetting. That's the kind

> > of

> > > thing

> > > > you

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > w/infection

> > > > > > > > I think...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Good luck! Hope you

> > don't

> > > have

> > > > soaking

> > > > > > carpets.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This too shall ... pass. At

> > > least

> > > > it's

> > > > > not

> > > > > > poo

> > > > > > > (yet)!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________

> > _________

> > > __

> > > > > > > > From: Robyn

> > <rngcoggs@sbcglobal

> > > .

> > > > net>

> > > > > > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26,

> > 2009

> > > > 11:01:01

> > > > > AM

> > > > > > > > Subject: Puzzling New

> > > Behaviors

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My son Noah,8, has been on

> > Dr.

> > > G's

> > > > > protocol

> > > > > > for a

> > > > > > > > little over a year

> > > > > > > > now and is making incredible

> > > progress.

> > > > In

> > > > > the

> > > > > > past

> > > > > > > couple

> > > > > > > > of weeks,

> > > > > > > > we've seen some wonderful

> > > academic

> > > > > gains, but

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > strange new

> > > > > > > > behaviors have emerged.

> > He's

> > > > engaging in

> > > > > > behaviors

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > you might see

> > > > > > > > in a 3 or 4 year old. He is

> > > writing on

> > > > my

> > > > > walls,

> > > > > > > something

> > > > > > > > he's never

> > > > > > > > done before. The most

> > disturbing

> > > > behavior is

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > he's

> > > > > > > > urinating in

> > > > > > > > other places but the toilet.

> > My

> > > first

> > > > > thought was

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > infection of some

> > > > > > > > sort, but we've pretty

> > much

> > > ruled

> > > > that

> > > > > out.

> > > > > > > I'm

> > > > > > > > almost certain it's

> > > > > > > > behavioral in nature.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Typically with Noah, when we

> > see

> > > gains

> > > > in

> > > > > one

> > > > > > area, we

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > a temporary

> > > > > > > > regression in other areas.

> > Could

> > > he be

> > > > > > " waking

> > > > > > > > up " developmentally and

> > > > > > > > is becoming more aware of his

> > > body, or

> > > > is

> > > > > this an

> > > > > > > issue of

> > > > > > > > control?

> > > > > > > > Both?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any insight would be

> > appreciated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Robyn

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> > message

> > > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

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