Re: NO AUTISM In Never-Vaccinated Children

March 26, 2009

Do you see following Dr G's protocol as being separate from his strong

rejection of ABA therapy?

I think it healthy for parents to question what they may not understand or

agree with even when it generates a level of discomfort because as has been

said so many times .... what works for one child may not work for another, such

is the complexity of this modern epidemic. Parents have an infinite

investment in their child's development and future prospects which even the

best

physician could not claim to match and even Dr G's protocol fails or has

limited

success for some!

In a message dated 26/03/2009 18:49:11 GMT Standard Time,

sjillboyer@... writes:

My children attend a school that does 1:1 ABA therapy and I know of several

children there with autism that have never been vaccinated. This is a small

sample but autism can occur with children that have never been vaccinated. I

do believe in a different vaccination schedule for a children and Hep B should

NOT be given at birth, perhaps during their adolescent years but we should

really stick to the treatment plan. The writer of this original email may

prefer a biomedical listserve or website.

All the best,

Jill

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

March 26, 2009

What struck me as significant in this letter was the doctor's description of

children with autism.

" If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's

frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss. "

I have three children - one with mild/moderate autism, one with Asperger's and

one with ADHD--and his description of a child with autism doesn't fit any of

them. Does that mean my older two boys don't have it? If their definition of

autism in that particular medical practice is so narrow, couldn't they be

missing the signs?

Also, I remember reading a study a few years ago about autism rates in the Amish

community, and they don't vaccinate.

Just a thought . . .

robyn

> From: davswife@... <davswife@...>

> Subject: Re: NO AUTISM In Never-Vaccinated Children

>

> Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 11:21 AM

> Sorry guys. I have 1 severely autistic child and 1 on the

> spectrum who have never been vaccinated. My husband's

> side of the family has quite a few interesting

> characters.....

>

> NO AUTISM In Never-Vaccinated Children

>

> http://www.rense.com/general85/cant.htm

>

> NO AUTISM In

>

> Never-Vaccinated Children

>

> From Alan Cantwell MD

>

> From Philip Rudnick PhD

>

> 3-8-9

>

> Dear Drs. Eisenstein and Bradstreet:

>

> Re: http://www.whale.to/vaccine/olmsted_h.html

>

> In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of

> never- vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions

> through Illinois' relatively permissive immunization

> policy. Homefirst's medical director, Dr. Mayer

> Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of autism

> in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175,

> according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevent

> ion. " We have a fairly large practice, "

> Eisenstein told us. " We have about 30,000 or 35,000

> children that we've taken care of over the years, and I

> don't think we have a single case of autism in children

> delivered by us who never received vaccines. " We do

> have enough of a sample, " Eisenstein said. " The

> numbers are too large to not see it. We would absolutely

> know. We're all family doctors. If I have a child with

> autism come in, there's no communication. It's

> frightening. You can't touch them. It's not

> something that anyone would miss. "

>

> Now that you've told us what you " think " ,

> when will you collect the facts and publish the results?

>

> -------------------------------

>

> " Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner

> with ties to families who homeschool their children for

> religious reasons, told Age of Autism he has proposed such a

> study in that group. " I said I know I can tap into this

> community and find you large numbers of unvaccinated

> homeschooled, " said Bradstreet, " and we can do

> simple prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut

> reaction is that you're going to see no autism in this

> group. " "

>

> Now that you've told us what you " can " do,

> when will you do it and publish the results?

>

> Sincerely yours,

>

> Philip Rudnick, PhD

>

> Professor Emeritus, Chemistry

>

> West Chester University of Pennsylvania

>

> Dan Olmsted

>

> http://www.whale.to/vaccine/olmsted_h.html

>

> " A spect

> er is haunting the medical and journalism establishments of

> the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with

> autism? " ---Dan Olmsted

>

> [Dan Olmsted did the research the vaccine industry and

> media refused to do and found little or no autism in the

> unvaccinated Amish and Homefirst Medical Services children.]

>

> Web: http://www.ageofautism.com/

>

> " I have not seen autism with the Amish, " said Dr.

> Noonan, a family practitioner in Lancaster County,

> Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish for a

> quarter-century. " You'll find all the other stuff,

> but we don't find the autism. We're right in the

> heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just

> the way it is. "

>

> In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of

> never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions

> through Illinois' relatively permissive immunization

> policy. Homefirst's medical director, Dr. Mayer

> Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of autism

> in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175,

> according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

> " We have a fairly large practice, " Eisenstein told

> us. " We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that

> we've taken care of over the years, and I don't

> think we have a single case of autism in children delivered

> by us who never received vaccines. " We do have enough

> of a sample, " Eisenstein said. " The numbers are

> too large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're

> all family doctors. If I have

> a child with autism come in, there's no communication.

> It's frightening. You can't touch them. It's not

> something that anyone would miss. "

>

> Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with

> ties to families who homeschool their children for religious

> reasons, told Age of Autism he has proposed such a study in

> that group. " I said I know I can tap into this

> community and find you large numbers of unvaccinated

> homeschooled, " said Bradstreet, " and we can do

> simple prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut

> reaction is that you're going to see no autism in this

> group. "

>

> http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20060728-111605-3532r

>

> [Feb 2008] MMR AND THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT AUTISM Does the

> measles- mumps-rubella vaccine cause autism? I vote yes. Of

> course, that's just one man's opinion but one

> who's spent the last three years listening to parents

> and enlightened pediatricians and combing through adverse

> events reports and just generally trying to think for

> himself.

>

> OLMSTED, THE AMISH AND AUTISM By Mark Blaxill

>

> [Oct 2007] Olmsted on Autism: I'm not vaclempt!

>

> [April 2006] The Age of Autism: Pox -- Part 1 By Dan

> Olmsted

>

> vaccines/olm44.html

>

> The Age of Autism: The story so far By DAN OLMSTED

>

> The Age of Autism: 'A pretty big secret' By Dan

> Olmsted

>

> The Age of Autism: The Amish anomaly By Dan Olmsted

>

> [April 200

> 6] The Age of Autism: Christian's mom speaks By Dan

> Olmsted

>

> The Age of Autism: Hot potato on the Hill By DAN OLMSTED

> copy Expect to hear all kinds of excuses, including that

> one, from the powers that be as to why such a conclusive

> study couldn't, shouldn't and really mustn't be

> done. Then ask yourself, Why?

>

> The Age of Autism: Critics have their say

>

> The Age of Autism: Mercury goes to work

>

> The Age of Autism: Regression

>

> The Age of Autism: More sick kids

>

> The Age of Autism: A whole-body illness

>

> The Age of Autism: The Amish Elephant

>

> The Age of Autism: Showdown in Santa Fe

>

> The Age of Autism: Nuts

>

> The Age of Autism: Facts say maybe

>

> The Age of Autism: Flu shot flashpoint

>

> The Age of Autism: 'A pretty big secret'

>

> The Age of Autism: Case Number 88924

>

> The Age of Autism: 'My child is toxic'

>

> The Age of Autism: Adverse events

>

> The Age of Autism: Connecting new dots

>

> The Age of Autism: March of the experts

>

> The Age of Autism: New in Name Only

>

> The Age of Autism: But What about 1930?

>

> The Age of Autism: Videos

>

> The Age of Autism: Amish Genes

>

> The Age of Autism: Concerned in Tennessee

>

> The Age of Autism: Question of the Year

>

> The Age of Autism: The story so far

>

> The Age of Autism: Missing in Mississippi

>

> The Age of Autism: Gold Salts Pass a test

>

> The Age of Autism: Gold?

>

> Love, Gabby. :0)

>

> http://stemcellforautism.blogspot.com/

>

> " I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely

> neurotypical. Even God had so

> me Autistic moments, which is why the planets all

> spin. " ~ Jerry Newport

>

March 26, 2009

Thanks for sharing! When it comes to autism, I always want to know if the child

has been vaccinated or not as a way of trying to figure out this complicated

puzzle. While I don't think we can rule out vaccines, whether as a means of

impairing the immune system in some kids or as a means of possible viral

contamination, it seems like kids that are not vaccinated can suffer the same

fate through natural infections.

My friend's son got a really bad flu at 18 months and it really took him out.

He did not walk after that and she said he 'just wasn't the same' afterward.

She knows nothing of the autism world but the whole thing was very interesting

to me. My youngest son has not been vaccinated but was showing signs of sensory

issues and gross motor delay. Thankfully, he is receiving early

intervention services. It poses the question; did I pass along some virus to my

unborn son's during pregnancy? Or did they come in contact with something on

their own.

Blessings,

dawn

________________________________

From: Hankinson <jlhank80@...>

Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:33:31 AM

Subject: Re: NO AUTISM In Never-Vaccinated Children

I have heard of cases of regressive autism in

non-vaccinated individuals, too. Although I do

believe it can be a trigger in those with

dysfunctional immune systems.

My daughter had her vaccines until she was 6 months

old, and we stopped long before I suspected autism.

She regressed at 13 months old by losing her words and

she stopped responding to her name and socializing. I

am not sure what happened but I know it wasn't a

vaccine that did it.

Just sayin' my side

-

--- davswifeaol (DOT) com wrote:

>

> Sorry guys. I have 1 severely autistic child and 1

> on the spectrum who have never been vaccinated. My

> husband's side of the family has quite a few

> interesting characters.. ...

>

> NO AUTISM In Never-Vaccinated

> Children

>

> http://www.rense. com/general85/ cant.htm

>

> NO AUTISM In

>

> Never-Vaccinated Children

>

> From Alan Cantwell MD

>

> From Philip Rudnick PhD

>

> 3-8-9

>

> Dear Drs. Eisenstein and Bradstreet:

>

> Re: http://www.whale. to/vaccine/ olmsted_h. html

>

> In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats

> thousands of never- vaccinated children whose

> parents received exemptions through Illinois'

> relatively permissive immunization policy.

> Homefirst's medical director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein,

> told us he is not aware of any cases of autism in

> never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in

> 175, according to the Centers for Disease Control

> and Prevent

> ion. " We have a fairly large practice, " Eisenstein

> told us. " We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children

> that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't

> think we have a single case of autism in children

> delivered by us who never received vaccines. " We do

> have enough of a sample, " Eisenstein said. " The

> numbers are too large to not see it. We would

> absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If I have

> a child with autism come in, there's no

> communication. It's frightening. You can't touch

> them. It's not something that anyone would miss. "

>

> Now that you've told us what you " think " , when will

> you collect the facts and publish the results?

>

> ------------ --------- --------- -

>

> " Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner

> with ties to families who homeschool their children

> for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he has

> proposed such a study in that group. " I said I know

> I can tap into this community and find you large

> numbers of unvaccinated homeschooled, " said

> Bradstreet, " and we can do simple prevalence and

> incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is

> that you're going to see no autism in this group. " "

>

> Now that you've told us what you " can " do, when will

> you do it and publish the results?

>

> Sincerely yours,

>

> Philip Rudnick, PhD

>

> Professor Emeritus, Chemistry

>

> West Chester University of Pennsylvania

>

> Dan Olmsted

>

> http://www.whale. to/vaccine/ olmsted_h. html

>

> " A spect

> er is haunting the medical and journalism

> establishments of the United States: Where are the

> unvaccinated people with autism? " ---Dan Olmsted

>

> [Dan Olmsted did the research the vaccine industry

> and media refused to do and found little or no

> autism in the unvaccinated Amish and Homefirst

> Medical Services children.]

>

> Web: http://www.ageofautism.com/

>

> " I have not seen autism with the Amish, " said Dr.

> Noonan, a family practitioner in Lancaster

> County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish for

> a quarter-century. " You'll find all the other stuff,

> but we don't find the autism. We're right in the

> heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's

> just the way it is. "

>

> In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats

> thousands of never-vaccinated children whose parents

> received exemptions through Illinois' relatively

> permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical

> director,

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March 26, 2009

Dr G said that no child that he began caring for during pregnancy has developed

autism either, and he vaccinates them. He does it on a different schedule and

would suspend jabs if there is a health issue going on (like ear infections,

allergies, rashes, recent antibiotics, etc).

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Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:14:16 PM

Subject: NO AUTISM In Never-Vaccinated Children

http://www.rense. com/general85/ cant.htm

NO AUTISM In

Never-Vaccinated Children

From Alan Cantwell MD

From Philip Rudnick PhD

3-8-9

Dear Drs. Eisenstein and Bradstreet:

Re: http://www.whale. to/vaccine/ olmsted_h. html

In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of never- vaccinated

children whose parents received exemptions through Illinois' relatively

permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical director, Dr. Mayer

Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of autism in never-vaccinated

children; the national rate is 1 in 175, according to the Centers for Disease

Control and Prevention. " We have a fairly large practice, " Eisenstein told us.

" We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the

years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered

by us who never received vaccines. " We do have enough of a sample, " Eisenstein

said. " The numbers are too large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're

all family doctors. If I have a child with autism come in, there's no

communication. It's frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that

anyone would miss. "

Now that you've told us what you " think " , when will you collect the facts and

publish the results?

------------ --------- --------- -

" Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families who

homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he has

proposed such a study in that group. " I said I know I can tap into this

community and find you large numbers of unvaccinated homeschooled, " said

Bradstreet, " and we can do simple prevalence and incidence studies in them, and

my gut reaction is that you're going to see no autism in this group. " "

Now that you've told us what you " can " do, when will you do it and publish the

results?

Sincerely yours,

Philip Rudnick, PhD

Professor Emeritus, Chemistry

West Chester University of Pennsylvania

Dan Olmsted

http://www.whale. to/vaccine/ olmsted_h. html

" A specter is haunting the medical and journalism establishments of the United

States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism? " ---Dan Olmsted

[Dan Olmsted did the research the vaccine industry and media refused to do and

found little or no autism in the unvaccinated Amish and Homefirst Medical

Services children.]

Web: http://www.ageofautism.com/

" I have not seen autism with the Amish, " said Dr. Noonan, a family

practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish for a

quarter-century. " You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism.

We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the

way it is. "

In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of never-vaccinated