Re: L-Tryptophan (was The long road of Lyme)

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

I am not going to ask for your funnies right away, because keeping up with my

email is just a little too much right now. But I am taking L-Tryptophan, and I

would like to see your protocol for it. Thanks,

Khaya

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Hi Susie,

> >

> > First, step back and take a deep breath...

> >

> > I truly understand just how you feel... When I showed up to my first Lyme

> > support group in early 2006, I didn't even know anything about natural

> > treatment protocols and all of the supps. I only turned to natural as I

> > knew someone like me who did not have a current tick bite, and

> > only turned chronic just a few weeks before, well I knew from the

> > experience I gained in helping my wife get Lyme treatment for the

> > past year or so that no allopathic doctor in my area had the experience to

> > dx chronic Lyme disease... So I turned to natural treatments

> > as it was my only option. I knew nothing about them and really had little

> > faith in them because of my ignorance of them.. But I needed something to

> > treat this Lyme and I knew no doctor near me would prescribe abx, the same

> > abx that cured my wife's Lyme.

> >

> > But I knew I had to do something and fast (or so I thought, this thinking

> > is wrong) so I would not worsen, even though I was at the worst of health

> > already....And just like you, so many things were being discussed on the

> > group, what should I do.. Well I decided that saltC would not kill me, at

> > least I didn't think it would as others were using it, so I started it..

> > But then I was very cautious to start adding in all the supps everyone was

> > talking about and also other killing protocols, including this thing call

> > RIFE that some kept talking about, I was completely clueless as to what it

> > was... So I stuck with salt/C for several months and didn't feel it was

> > doing much for me, out of desperation, I signed up

> > for Rosner's Lyme and Rife group, so many seemed to be using rife

> > whatever it was.. I was also slowly adding in some supplements

> > that seemed many were using and I did my research and they like they

> > belonged.. I quickly gained interest in rife and I spent the next

> > 4 - 6 weeks researching what seemed to be the better machines used on the

> > group... By this time I was gaining some confidence, I felt comfy with my

> > two groups just knowing there were others out there like me sick with Lyme

> > and really no doctors to help.

> >

> > I learned a lot from my machine research, I also read every single post

> > and even read past posts to see which machines others felt

> > were the better machines... I had a few people help me to understand the

> > pros and cons of all the machines, then I spoke to several

> > machine builders.. By the time I bought my first rife machine, I felt

> > pretty confident I made the right decision.. Several months later

> > I bought another rife machine and by this time I was taking what I felt

> > were the right supps I needed.. But still, seems like almost every

> > day someone was talking about some new killing protocol and I wondered if

> > I had made the right choices or not. I was by now gaining

> > a lot of creditability on both my groups, others seemed interested in my

> > posts as I was doing a lot of research and sharing what I knew.

> > I also had others contacting me privately, asking for help.. Well I didn't

> > feel completely confident about helping others just yet, but I

> > also knew what it felt like to feel lost on these groups. So, I only

> > shared what I was comfy sharing and felt I had gained good knowledge

> > about..

> >

> > BUT, I was still constantly confused about all the new topics popping up

> > on my groups.. I actually joined a 3rd Lyme group and that

> > made it all the more confusing as they were talking about completely other

> > things than what I was hearing on my other two groups.. If you think you

> > are confused about all the things we talk about on this group, try

> > belonging to 3 Lyme groups... I learned a valuable lesson, find one good

> > support group and stick with it, more is only confusing and very time

> > consuming..

> >

> > Soon I came to realize I was still using my original two protocols, salt/C

> > and rife, somehow I blocked out all the noise about all of these

> > other protocols.. I did feel once I added rife, I was improving after

> > about one year on it, but still pretty slowly.. I would only add in supps

> > that others felt were necessary and only after I did my own research,

> > fortunately I was very cautious about adding anything new.

> >

> > In the Spring of 2008, someone brought a " secret " killing protocol to my

> > first Lyme group, I quickly paid no attention to it... I soon realized

> > this person was most likely going to try to profit from it and was glad I

> > stayed away from it. But after several months, he gave up and offered his

> > existing supply for sale to the group. I was glad that was the end of it as

> > anyone getting interested in something with no " name " I felt was just

> > asking for trouble.

> >

> > By this time, I had a good reputation on my groups, always willing to lend

> > a hand and always cautioning others about killing protocols and

> > supplements I felt didn't belong.. But I myself still was concerned I was

> > improving at a pretty slow pace... Well little did I know even

> > after being on these groups for over 2 years, slow is how you heal from

> > Lyme.

> >

> > Then one day I received a private email from a fellow group member, she

> > actually had been using this " secret " killing protocol for a few months

> > and was improving from it. She actually bought it when it was put up for

> > sale on the group and the guy was not going to try selling it.

> > The member kept emailing me every few weeks and claiming she was getting

> > better, I think she wrote to me 6 times and I paid

> > no attention. The she wrote and said " this is really helping, what are you

> > waiting for! " Well, this was a member I did trust, I felt

> > her posts were solid, always providing good information to the group.. So,

> > I finally decided to give this secretive killing protocol a try

> > and I posted to both of my groups I was going to buy some MMS and start

> > using it.. Well, after several months of my posts being

> > well accepted by the group, this one was taken with a big yawn, nobody

> > seemed interested I was starting MMS. I had already done my research into

> > MMS, it was not being used by the Lyme community, but it was being used by

> > a lot of others and they spoke highly of it.. So I felt I had nothing to

> > lose, everything to gain.

> >

> > After 6 weeks of using MMS, I posted to my groups I had less fatigue, less

> > brain fog and more stamina, this was the first time I really

> > felt some improvement, although it was not a lot... But to me, some

> > improvement after 6 weeks was something. Well, others started

> > posting they too would give MMS a try and they to posted after 4 - 8 weeks

> > they had less fatigue, less brain fog and more energy...

> > Then many more started using MMS and also posted the same results.. I knew

> > MMS was a winner in the Lyme community.

> >

> > My point being, I went from being so frightened and insecure to finally

> > having a good handle on what I was doing.. MMS showed me

> > that a good killing protocol can make a big difference both in how I felt

> > plus building up my confidence... And that is the only thing

> > you are probably lacking is getting to a point where you too feel better

> > and have more confidence.. I think for some of us, this does

> > not come quickly, but over time.

> >

> > I know coming to these groups and listening to all the subjects being

> > talked about is a daunting task at least initially to grasp and

> > sadly, some never do grasp it and leave, which is a big mistake as it is

> > knowledge that gives us the power to improve our health..

> > And Susie, this is important, one of the best things I fell that helped me

> > to better understand all of this and eventually to better

> > health was me helping others... Every time I helped someone, I gained more

> > confidence, I learned more things and I felt good

> > about myself. And since I cared about those I was helping, I learned to

> > care more about me too!!

> >

> > And the last things you want to do is to keep switching protocols, doing

> > too many killing protocols at once and buying every

> > supplement you hear about, all or any of these will equal overload.. I

> > know some that do so many " Lyme " things every day,

> > I wonder how they have time for life! Concentrating on Lyme all the time

> > is something you DO NOT want to do!

> >

> > I also early on learned about the importance of eating a good Lyme diet..

> > Well I tried that for a while and I was so unhappy, I

> > gave up everything I liked to eat healthy... Well, it didn't work for me..

> > Today, I do eat very healthy, but I also cheat and eat

> > some of the things I enjoy, after all I am still human too. You really

> > should not try to second guess what you are eating or how you live, just

> > eat healthy and eat some things occasionally you enjoy.. AND, try to enjoy

> > your life the best you can, DON'T let Lyme control you, it is

> > only a part of you, Lyme is NOT you! And by the way, the power of

> > suggestion is also something you may wish to do... I used to say

> > a phrase once I started with MMS and it was this " I will get better from

> > Lyme in my own good time. " I said this about 6 times

> > daily and kept it up for about one year.

> >

> > As far as all the info on the group overwhelming you, just don't let it..

> > If you see things you are interested in, then put these

> > in a folder on your hard drive or if you read posts from the group

> > website, bookmark the post. You can alway revisit things

> > of interest weeks or months later.. Stick with things that you feel are

> > good protocols, good supps and be slow to add new ones.

> > You will go nuts trying everything talked about on group!!

> >

> > There you just said it, you feel better when not thinking about health..

> > So do your protocols when you must, take your supps

> > when you must and other times do things you enjoy... I like working out in

> > my yard and in my gardens.. Even though I may

> > feel ill, outside and working I don't think about Lyme!! I leave it in the

> > house! And believe it or not, I enjoy helping others

> > on group, I think of their Lyme, but not mine! Being on group to me most

> > of the time is actually relaxing...

> >

> > And when you mention stress, well it is one of the worst things for a

> > Lymie... I tell everyone to avoid stress at all costs,

> > the last thing you want is to be stressed as this affects the immune

> > system and then pathogens can increase faster.

> > Some things we can't avoid and they will be stressful, these we probably

> > can't help.. But the rest of the time, just

> > get away from that stress by doing something you enjoy.. If you keep your

> > mind away from Lyme, you will actually

> > deal with the disease much better...

> >

> > I have a private email group that many Lymies belong to, I send out

> > funnies, things of interest, important info, some

> > health info and very little Lyme info... this group is a way of getting

> > our minds off of Lyme and to think about other

> > things and also to realize, as we send these " funnies " emails to each

> > other, we are just normal people and friends, not Lymies!!

> > I can add you to my list if you like!! There is nothing like a good

> > funny something to make you laugh when you are

> > feeling down... I don't know how many times I've had a tough day, open

> > something someone sends me and I break

> > out laughing over something so funny or stupid!! It completely changes my

> > whole frame of mind!!

> >

> > Would you like me to add you to my " funnies " group?

> >

> > Are you familiar with L-Tryptophan? This wonderful supplement I started

> > using for insomnia and back then it really

> > worked... But oddly, I also lost 19 lbs in 2 months, my mood greatly

> > improved and my 20 year bout with migraines,

> > ended after a few months.. It took me a bit to connect what the common

> > denominator was and it was LT!! The

> > four things that improved for me is what the literature for LT claims it

> > will do.. So if you worry a lot, feel down a lot,

> > have anxiety or depression, then LT may really help you... I can post the

> > full protocol on how to properly

> > use this if you like, just let me know...

> >

> > Relax Susie, it is going to be okay and one day you are going to just feel

> > better and I hope you remember

> > I told you so! But in the mean time, just expect a bumpy road, it is

> > completely normal..

> >

> > --

> > Take care,

> >

> > Jim

[Guest guest]

Hi Khaya,

Here is the L-Tryptophan protocol you asked for....

>>>>L-Tryptophan... This does four things and does them well....

1) helps with insomnia,

2) helps you lose weight.

3) helps with mood.

4) helps with migraines....

There are just a few rules to follow for LT to be effective...

a) must use Niacin (Vit B3) 300 mg or more daily.. You may use flushing (I

strongly suggest you start with 50 mg's 6 x daily as you will flush), or non

flushing, can take in a single dose. Flushing is superior for health.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/NAB018/ItemDetail?n=0

must use Vitamin B6, 25 - 50 mg daily. Don't over dose this one, may be toxic

at higher doses.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SW1369/ItemDetail

c) must take LT on an empty stomach at least 2 hrs away from meat and other

amino acids.

d) must take with fruit juice or Vit C, 1000mg or both. e) best to take before

bedtime if using for insomnia.

If you already use a B-Complex daily, you may have some or all of the Niacin or

B6 in it already... You can take LT in doses ranging from 500 mg to 9000 mg

daily for mood (anxiety or depression), weight loss, migraines but for insomnia,

500 - 3000 mg daily should be max for insomnia...

This comes in 500 mg and 1000 mg doses, there is a price advantage to buying

the 1000 mg bottle and they can easily be broken in half...

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/NWF253/ItemDetail?n=0

If you buy from Swanson, try using one of these codes to save more money!

http://dealspl.us/swansonvitamins-coupons

Good reading:

http://www.smart-drugs.net/ias-tryptophan-article.htm

http://www.overcoming-depression.com/tryptophan.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/025146.html

<<<<<<

Take care,

Jim

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Susie,

> > >

> > > First, step back and take a deep breath...

> > >

> > > I truly understand just how you feel... When I showed up to my first Lyme

> > > support group in early 2006, I didn't even know anything about natural

> > > treatment protocols and all of the supps. I only turned to natural as I

> > > knew someone like me who did not have a current tick bite, and

> > > only turned chronic just a few weeks before, well I knew from the

> > > experience I gained in helping my wife get Lyme treatment for the

> > > past year or so that no allopathic doctor in my area had the experience to

> > > dx chronic Lyme disease... So I turned to natural treatments

> > > as it was my only option. I knew nothing about them and really had little

> > > faith in them because of my ignorance of them.. But I needed something to

> > > treat this Lyme and I knew no doctor near me would prescribe abx, the same

> > > abx that cured my wife's Lyme.

> > >

> > > But I knew I had to do something and fast (or so I thought, this thinking

> > > is wrong) so I would not worsen, even though I was at the worst of health

> > > already....And just like you, so many things were being discussed on the

> > > group, what should I do.. Well I decided that saltC would not kill me, at

> > > least I didn't think it would as others were using it, so I started it..

> > > But then I was very cautious to start adding in all the supps everyone was

> > > talking about and also other killing protocols, including this thing call

> > > RIFE that some kept talking about, I was completely clueless as to what it

> > > was... So I stuck with salt/C for several months and didn't feel it was

> > > doing much for me, out of desperation, I signed up

> > > for Rosner's Lyme and Rife group, so many seemed to be using rife

> > > whatever it was.. I was also slowly adding in some supplements

> > > that seemed many were using and I did my research and they like they

> > > belonged.. I quickly gained interest in rife and I spent the next

> > > 4 - 6 weeks researching what seemed to be the better machines used on the

> > > group... By this time I was gaining some confidence, I felt comfy with my

> > > two groups just knowing there were others out there like me sick with Lyme

> > > and really no doctors to help.

> > >

> > > I learned a lot from my machine research, I also read every single post

> > > and even read past posts to see which machines others felt

> > > were the better machines... I had a few people help me to understand the

> > > pros and cons of all the machines, then I spoke to several

> > > machine builders.. By the time I bought my first rife machine, I felt

> > > pretty confident I made the right decision.. Several months later

> > > I bought another rife machine and by this time I was taking what I felt

> > > were the right supps I needed.. But still, seems like almost every

> > > day someone was talking about some new killing protocol and I wondered if

> > > I had made the right choices or not. I was by now gaining

> > > a lot of creditability on both my groups, others seemed interested in my

> > > posts as I was doing a lot of research and sharing what I knew.

> > > I also had others contacting me privately, asking for help.. Well I didn't

> > > feel completely confident about helping others just yet, but I

> > > also knew what it felt like to feel lost on these groups. So, I only

> > > shared what I was comfy sharing and felt I had gained good knowledge

> > > about..

> > >

> > > BUT, I was still constantly confused about all the new topics popping up

> > > on my groups.. I actually joined a 3rd Lyme group and that

> > > made it all the more confusing as they were talking about completely other

> > > things than what I was hearing on my other two groups.. If you think you

> > > are confused about all the things we talk about on this group, try

> > > belonging to 3 Lyme groups... I learned a valuable lesson, find one good

> > > support group and stick with it, more is only confusing and very time

> > > consuming..

> > >

> > > Soon I came to realize I was still using my original two protocols, salt/C

> > > and rife, somehow I blocked out all the noise about all of these

> > > other protocols.. I did feel once I added rife, I was improving after

> > > about one year on it, but still pretty slowly.. I would only add in supps

> > > that others felt were necessary and only after I did my own research,

> > > fortunately I was very cautious about adding anything new.

> > >

> > > In the Spring of 2008, someone brought a " secret " killing protocol to my

> > > first Lyme group, I quickly paid no attention to it... I soon realized

> > > this person was most likely going to try to profit from it and was glad I

> > > stayed away from it. But after several months, he gave up and offered his

> > > existing supply for sale to the group. I was glad that was the end of it

as

> > > anyone getting interested in something with no " name " I felt was just

> > > asking for trouble.

> > >

> > > By this time, I had a good reputation on my groups, always willing to lend

> > > a hand and always cautioning others about killing protocols and

> > > supplements I felt didn't belong.. But I myself still was concerned I was

> > > improving at a pretty slow pace... Well little did I know even

> > > after being on these groups for over 2 years, slow is how you heal from

> > > Lyme.

> > >

> > > Then one day I received a private email from a fellow group member, she

> > > actually had been using this " secret " killing protocol for a few months

> > > and was improving from it. She actually bought it when it was put up for

> > > sale on the group and the guy was not going to try selling it.

> > > The member kept emailing me every few weeks and claiming she was getting

> > > better, I think she wrote to me 6 times and I paid

> > > no attention. The she wrote and said " this is really helping, what are you

> > > waiting for! " Well, this was a member I did trust, I felt

> > > her posts were solid, always providing good information to the group.. So,

> > > I finally decided to give this secretive killing protocol a try

> > > and I posted to both of my groups I was going to buy some MMS and start

> > > using it.. Well, after several months of my posts being

> > > well accepted by the group, this one was taken with a big yawn, nobody

> > > seemed interested I was starting MMS. I had already done my research into

> > > MMS, it was not being used by the Lyme community, but it was being used

by

> > > a lot of others and they spoke highly of it.. So I felt I had nothing to

> > > lose, everything to gain.

> > >

> > > After 6 weeks of using MMS, I posted to my groups I had less fatigue, less

> > > brain fog and more stamina, this was the first time I really

> > > felt some improvement, although it was not a lot... But to me, some

> > > improvement after 6 weeks was something. Well, others started

> > > posting they too would give MMS a try and they to posted after 4 - 8 weeks

> > > they had less fatigue, less brain fog and more energy...

> > > Then many more started using MMS and also posted the same results.. I knew

> > > MMS was a winner in the Lyme community.

> > >

> > > My point being, I went from being so frightened and insecure to finally

> > > having a good handle on what I was doing.. MMS showed me

> > > that a good killing protocol can make a big difference both in how I felt

> > > plus building up my confidence... And that is the only thing

> > > you are probably lacking is getting to a point where you too feel better

> > > and have more confidence.. I think for some of us, this does

> > > not come quickly, but over time.

> > >

> > > I know coming to these groups and listening to all the subjects being

> > > talked about is a daunting task at least initially to grasp and

> > > sadly, some never do grasp it and leave, which is a big mistake as it is

> > > knowledge that gives us the power to improve our health..

> > > And Susie, this is important, one of the best things I fell that helped me

> > > to better understand all of this and eventually to better

> > > health was me helping others... Every time I helped someone, I gained more

> > > confidence, I learned more things and I felt good

> > > about myself. And since I cared about those I was helping, I learned to

> > > care more about me too!!

> > >

> > > And the last things you want to do is to keep switching protocols, doing

> > > too many killing protocols at once and buying every

> > > supplement you hear about, all or any of these will equal overload.. I

> > > know some that do so many " Lyme " things every day,

> > > I wonder how they have time for life! Concentrating on Lyme all the time

> > > is something you DO NOT want to do!

> > >

> > > I also early on learned about the importance of eating a good Lyme diet..

> > > Well I tried that for a while and I was so unhappy, I

> > > gave up everything I liked to eat healthy... Well, it didn't work for me..

> > > Today, I do eat very healthy, but I also cheat and eat

> > > some of the things I enjoy, after all I am still human too. You really

> > > should not try to second guess what you are eating or how you live, just

> > > eat healthy and eat some things occasionally you enjoy.. AND, try to enjoy

> > > your life the best you can, DON'T let Lyme control you, it is

> > > only a part of you, Lyme is NOT you! And by the way, the power of

> > > suggestion is also something you may wish to do... I used to say

> > > a phrase once I started with MMS and it was this " I will get better from

> > > Lyme in my own good time. " I said this about 6 times

> > > daily and kept it up for about one year.

> > >

> > > As far as all the info on the group overwhelming you, just don't let it..

> > > If you see things you are interested in, then put these

> > > in a folder on your hard drive or if you read posts from the group

> > > website, bookmark the post. You can alway revisit things

> > > of interest weeks or months later.. Stick with things that you feel are

> > > good protocols, good supps and be slow to add new ones.

> > > You will go nuts trying everything talked about on group!!

> > >

> > > There you just said it, you feel better when not thinking about health..

> > > So do your protocols when you must, take your supps

> > > when you must and other times do things you enjoy... I like working out in

> > > my yard and in my gardens.. Even though I may

> > > feel ill, outside and working I don't think about Lyme!! I leave it in the

> > > house! And believe it or not, I enjoy helping others

> > > on group, I think of their Lyme, but not mine! Being on group to me most

> > > of the time is actually relaxing...

> > >

> > > And when you mention stress, well it is one of the worst things for a

> > > Lymie... I tell everyone to avoid stress at all costs,

> > > the last thing you want is to be stressed as this affects the immune

> > > system and then pathogens can increase faster.

> > > Some things we can't avoid and they will be stressful, these we probably

> > > can't help.. But the rest of the time, just

> > > get away from that stress by doing something you enjoy.. If you keep your

> > > mind away from Lyme, you will actually

> > > deal with the disease much better...

> > >

> > > I have a private email group that many Lymies belong to, I send out

> > > funnies, things of interest, important info, some

> > > health info and very little Lyme info... this group is a way of getting

> > > our minds off of Lyme and to think about other

> > > things and also to realize, as we send these " funnies " emails to each

> > > other, we are just normal people and friends, not Lymies!!

> > > I can add you to my list if you like!! There is nothing like a good

> > > funny something to make you laugh when you are

> > > feeling down... I don't know how many times I've had a tough day, open

> > > something someone sends me and I break

> > > out laughing over something so funny or stupid!! It completely changes my

> > > whole frame of mind!!

> > >

> > > Would you like me to add you to my " funnies " group?

> > >

> > > Are you familiar with L-Tryptophan? This wonderful supplement I started

> > > using for insomnia and back then it really

> > > worked... But oddly, I also lost 19 lbs in 2 months, my mood greatly

> > > improved and my 20 year bout with migraines,

> > > ended after a few months.. It took me a bit to connect what the common

> > > denominator was and it was LT!! The

> > > four things that improved for me is what the literature for LT claims it

> > > will do.. So if you worry a lot, feel down a lot,

> > > have anxiety or depression, then LT may really help you... I can post the

> > > full protocol on how to properly

> > > use this if you like, just let me know...

> > >

> > > Relax Susie, it is going to be okay and one day you are going to just feel

> > > better and I hope you remember

> > > I told you so! But in the mean time, just expect a bumpy road, it is

> > > completely normal..

> > >

> > > --

> > > Take care,

> > >

> > > Jim

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jim--actually, after I wrote this I realized that I am not taking

L-Tryptophan, but L-Tyrosine 600mg (from Pure), 4x daily before meals. But I am

taking a form of L-Tryptophan: 5-HTP 100mg (Hakala) at bedtime (so well away

from food. I do take a whole lot of Vitamin C and B-complex (as well as extra

B-6 to help me absorb iron). I guess I would need a very good reason to

increase my supplements--I am taking an unbelievable number of them! If I was

still having a lot of headaches, I might seriously consider it. I could lose 5

pounds or so, though ... That's probably not enough to take more pills for!

Khaya

> >

> > Hi Jim,

> > I am not going to ask for your funnies right away, because keeping up with

my email is just a little too much right now. But I am taking L-Tryptophan, and

I would like to see your protocol for it. Thanks,

> > Khaya